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CosworthKid
01-22-2010, 03:46 PM
<!-- article container 01, BEGIN --> <!-- Starts the Loop --> <!-- post header, BEGIN --> Toyota recalls 2.3 million more cars with stuck accelerators (http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recalls-2-3-million-cars-with-stuck-accelerators.html)

anonms
01-27-2010, 11:40 PM
Aughh my car's part of the recall :(

boston
01-28-2010, 06:34 AM
Now I understand why Toyota's advertising slogan is "Moving Forward".....

boston
01-29-2010, 11:49 AM
Having read Detnews reports on this, I think the folks in Detroit smell blood in the water.

Always interesting to see articles like this....

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/28/did-nhtsa-know-of-toyota-woes-back-in-2004/

DoMiNo
01-29-2010, 02:50 PM
The bad news for Detroit is that Toyota has learned its lesson.

boston
01-30-2010, 05:40 PM
The bad news for Detroit is that Toyota has learned its lesson.


There lies the difference and the reason that with a little hard work (and lots of money paid to plaintiff's lawyers) that Toyota will come through its "Tylenol" Moment

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/video-in-depth-look-at-toyotas-sticky-accelerator/#continued

CosworthKid
01-31-2010, 07:17 PM
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/toyota-and-honda-recall-2-million-cars/247192

boston
02-01-2010, 12:05 PM
Another perhaps more indepth comparison between the two accelerator pedal designs used in Toyotas

I have to wonder how many other manufacturers use Denso design....or a version of the CTS design

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/exclusive-ttac-takes-apart-both-toyota-gas-pedal-assemblies-denso-unit-looks-cheaper-rumored-to-be-recalled-too/

boston
02-02-2010, 12:43 AM
This entire nightmare gets worse as it spreads.

Not only are they talking about European production but also cars back several years before Toyota's current recall.

I have a nasty feeling that we're only at the start of this.

boston
02-03-2010, 05:50 PM
Transportation secretary says people should stop driving Toyota. Headline getting or does he know more.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/03/stop-driving-recalled-toyotas-until-fixed/

DoMiNo
02-03-2010, 09:58 PM
Evidently he retracted his statement. I'm getting a little tired of all the fear-mongering, to be honest. Sure, this is a widespread and [potentially] serious issue, but the fact that evening news segments about the recall show people showing up at Toyota dealers crying and fearing for their lives is just a little bit ridiculous. Solution for unintended acceleration: calmly apply the brakes, put the car into neutral, and watch, amazed, as your car comes to an uneventful stop. Quit freaking out and raging on national TV; you're just making yourselves look really, really stupid. Plus, now I'm sure the most enterprising/opportunistic of these people are just trying to jump on the class action bandwagon by "unintentionally" accelerating their cars (http://jalopnik.com/5461514/man-unintentionally-accelerates-recalled-truck-into-toyota-dealer-showroom).

And at what point does all the finger-pointing and admonition from the NHTSA and lawmakers become a blatant endorsement of domestic manufacturers? I appreciate you looking out for our investment, Congress, but I like to think Detroit's products could stack up well against Toyotas even if they didn't put consumers at the risk of fiery death.

JBlair
02-03-2010, 10:37 PM
Evidently he retracted his statement. I'm getting a little tired of all the fear-mongering, to be honest. Sure, this is a widespread and [potentially] serious issue, but the fact that evening news segments about the recall show people showing up at Toyota dealers crying and fearing for their lives is just a little bit ridiculous. Solution for unintended acceleration: calmly apply the brakes, put the car into neutral, and watch, amazed, as your car comes to an uneventful stop. Quit freaking out and raging on national TV; you're just making yourselves look really, really stupid. Plus, now I'm sure the most enterprising/opportunistic of these people are just trying to jump on the class action bandwagon by "unintentionally" accelerating their cars (http://jalopnik.com/5461514/man-unintentionally-accelerates-recalled-truck-into-toyota-dealer-showroom).

And at what point does all the finger-pointing and admonition from the NHTSA and lawmakers become a blatant endorsement of domestic manufacturers? I appreciate you looking out for our investment, Congress, but I like to think Detroit's products could stack up well against Toyotas even if they didn't put consumers at the risk of fiery death.
I think they're just trying to cover their asses. There are rumors that a member of NHTSA (that used to work at Toyota) was aware of the issue but made no moves on it. There are also strong indications that both Toyota and NHTSA were aware of the issue, but ignored it until it became too big for them to contain.

One thing's for sure, Toyota is going to be hurting for quite a while from this.

boston
02-05-2010, 06:48 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/05/report-after-nhtsa-investigator-hired-by-toyota-serious-uninte/

DoMiNo
02-05-2010, 07:31 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/05/report-after-nhtsa-investigator-hired-by-toyota-serious-uninte/

Looks like Toyota's not the only one that needs to reexamine its quality controls. I wonder if the NHTSA's turning a blind eye to this is an isolated incident or if it's indicative of a culture of complicity.

When this all shakes out, I don't know who's going to look worse.

boston
02-05-2010, 08:06 PM
I'm sure the government watchdog NHTSA will in for a pasting afterwards.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/documents-in-toyota-conspiracy-case-could-be-made-public-soon.html

DoMiNo
02-05-2010, 09:11 PM
Wow, this is turning into the automotive version of The Insider.

MtViewGuy188
02-06-2010, 12:49 AM
I think a potential major source of the problem is the during deceleration, the ECU does not cut off the fuel supply like you see with most other cars with electronic throttle controls. I know that on recent Honda-built cars, when you stamp on the brake pedal the fuel supply is cut off, which makes it easier for engine braking.

boston
02-15-2010, 01:56 AM
I can't believe that Toyota is the only manufacturer that doesn't cut off fuel supply under braking. Have to wonder if there are a slew of TSBs about to be released by other companies to correct this programming issue.

Cozz
03-13-2010, 05:28 AM
I think they're just trying to cover their asses. There are rumors that a member of NHTSA (that used to work at Toyota) was aware of the issue but made no moves on it. There are also strong indications that both Toyota and NHTSA were aware of the issue, but ignored it until it became too big for them to contain.

One thing's for sure, Toyota is going to be hurting for quite a while from this.

Are you talking about this?

http://www.leftlanenews.com/feds-excluded-most-severe-cases-of-runaway-toyotas.html

Cozz
03-13-2010, 05:31 AM
I'm sure the government watchdog NHTSA will in for a pasting afterwards.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/documents-in-toyota-conspiracy-case-could-be-made-public-soon.html


He was on the news just yesterday. He showed boxes filled with internal documents about the safety issues mostly dealing with role overs. The roofs on some vehicles can't withstand its own weight. Something they said must do.

As a lawyer he always recommenced settling out of court so the documents wouldn't be revealed in court cases.

Cozz
03-13-2010, 05:39 AM
Evidently he retracted his statement. I'm getting a little tired of all the fear-mongering, to be honest. Sure, this is a widespread and [potentially] serious issue, but the fact that evening news segments about the recall show people showing up at Toyota dealers crying and fearing for their lives is just a little bit ridiculous. Solution for unintended acceleration: calmly apply the brakes, put the car into neutral, and watch, amazed, as your car comes to an uneventful stop. Quit freaking out and raging on national TV; you're just making yourselves look really, really stupid. Plus, now I'm sure the most enterprising/opportunistic of these people are just trying to jump on the class action bandwagon by "unintentionally" accelerating their cars (http://jalopnik.com/5461514/man-unintentionally-accelerates-recalled-truck-into-toyota-dealer-showroom).

And at what point does all the finger-pointing and admonition from the NHTSA and lawmakers become a blatant endorsement of domestic manufacturers? I appreciate you looking out for our investment, Congress, but I like to think Detroit's products could stack up well against Toyotas even if they didn't put consumers at the risk of fiery death.

The odd factor is that his vehicle was fitted with the fuel cutoff program...supposedly by reports even from Toyota. But his car never stopped. The police confirm he was on the breaks just by looking at the brake damage afterwords. This is not the first case that the new fuel cutoff program simply doesn't work. They (CNN if I'm correct)showed a Camry with the new recall and it never stopped with both gas and breaks to the maximum. Toyota says they are reprogramming ECUs to cut off fuel when both pedals are pressed in the recall

If he lied or didn't doesn't answer why the car didn't cut off the fuel.