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taskbearer
05-27-2005, 11:18 AM
Just read an article on autocar that says Honda is considering buying the MG name, and in it they said that this MG concept was the inpiration for the NSX. I have never heard of this concept before, so I googled it up and voila....The NSX just looks like a production version of this concept and I've always thought the NSX was Japanese interpretation of a supercar.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cambs.mgoc/images2/EX-Ecam-m.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cambs.mgoc/images2/backlit-m.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cambs.mgoc/images2/frontEX-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cambs.mgoc/images2/conceptMG-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: <A HREF="http://www.mgcars.org.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mgcars.org.uk</A>

Redline
05-27-2005, 11:19 AM
Interesting concept, the NSX does look like it. But I have a hard time believeing Honda would buy MG. Of course if they did it may mean we would be able to see MG in the states again, and that would be great.

oldthudman
05-27-2005, 06:02 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0"> It was a mid-eighties concept. I saw it at the Houston Auto Show in about 85-87, (somewhere in that time frame).......It was really quite well done.....Too bad it was never produced.. Honda had a working arrangement with that whole group (not sure at this moment who owned MG & company at that time)....However, One of the products of this partnership, was the Acura based "Sterling" that came to the US. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

CarPenter
05-27-2005, 10:33 PM
Autocar has been informed that a Honda delegation has made a secret visit to part of the closed Longbridge factory. Apparently, the delegation made the visit in mid-May with senior union officials. Although there are doubts that Honda is interested in the entire MG Rover Group, but Honda may be looking into taking over the MG brand. That would truly make Honda the only potential buyer of MG that could actually make good on promises to expand the MG brand throughout the world. It would also mean that MG would probably come to the US again.<p>source autoblog.com<p>imho yes honda did the rover freelander and the honda crv together, (same bodystyle 1st generation) honda has been in bed with rover for years, so why not buy mg-rover now? . its dirt cheap and a way for honda to put some more cars into england, especially super cars or sports cars which honda has no foothold in the europe market for and also no respect for for cause they see honda=cheap.. and yes to all the rumor's that ford will put engines in new freelander's in 2006-2007 and it aint gonna be dropped from the us market, even at 35k units a year it still makes money for them to import it !<p>

JBlair
05-28-2005, 12:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarPenter</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Autocar has been informed that a Honda delegation has made a secret visit to part of the closed Longbridge factory. Apparently, the delegation made the visit in mid-May with senior union officials. Although there are doubts that Honda is interested in the entire MG Rover Group, but Honda may be looking into taking over the MG brand. That would truly make Honda the only potential buyer of MG that could actually make good on promises to expand the MG brand throughout the world. It would also mean that MG would probably come to the US again.<p>source autoblog.com<p>imho yes honda did the rover freelander and the honda crv together, (same bodystyle 1st generation) honda has been in bed with rover for years, so why not buy mg-rover now? . its dirt cheap and a way for honda to put some more cars into england, especially super cars or sports cars which honda has no foothold in the europe market for and also no respect for for cause they see honda=cheap.. and yes to all the rumor's that ford will put engines in new freelander's in 2006-2007 and it aint gonna be dropped from the us market, even at 35k units a year it still makes money for them to import it !</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The freelander has been dropped from the US for now, since Europe buys more of them. As for the Honda deal; the MG and Rover names are two seperate entities. From what I understand, BMW still owns the Rover name and allowed Pheonix to use it. (or a similar deal such as that, all I know is that Pheonix doesn't own the Rover trademark). There is a rumor going around that BMW is going to sell the Rover name to Ford so that no other company that may buy it would use it to build vehicles that could be confused as Land Rovers. Basically, all of the Rover vehicles would not be bought by Ford, only the name would. As it stands now, the MG name has the most likely chance to survive yet again. (The TF remains a strong seller in Britain, and many are predicting it, and any new line of sporty vehicles, would sell well in the US as well where the MG name holds a considerable amount of interest).

MrMGMan
05-30-2005, 08:27 AM
I can't see Honda being interested in buying either the Rover name, Longbridge factory, or the current range of Rover cars, as two of Rover's current range are reliant on out of date Honda technology anyway:<p>Rover 25 - rebodied, revised 1989 Rover 200, a car developed in a joint venture with Honda, and based on the European-market Concerto.<p>Rover 45 - lightly revised Rover 400, a derivative of the 1995 Honda Civic 5-door built under licence by Rover. Why would they buy back their own 1980's/1990's vintage technology?<p>They would have no interest in the Rover 75 either, as it's dependent to some extent on BMW-sourced componentry for its electrical system, aircon, diesel engines and rear suspension.<p>The only possible part of the company they could have any interest in is the MG brand, and not even the MGTF sports car. It might still be one of Europe's better selling roadsters, but it's totally ancient underneath its rather slinky bodywork, and was originally developed on a shoestring budget from Austin Metro components. The brand might fit with Honda's aspirations, but I doubt the MG TF would.

JBlair
05-30-2005, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MrMGMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't see Honda being interested in buying either the Rover name, Longbridge factory, or the current range of Rover cars, as two of Rover's current range are reliant on out of date Honda technology anyway:<p>Rover 25 - rebodied, revised 1989 Rover 200, a car developed in a joint venture with Honda, and based on the European-market Concerto.<p>Rover 45 - lightly revised Rover 400, a derivative of the 1995 Honda Civic 5-door built under licence by Rover. Why would they buy back their own 1980's/1990's vintage technology?<p>They would have no interest in the Rover 75 either, as it's dependent to some extent on BMW-sourced componentry for its electrical system, aircon, diesel engines and rear suspension.<p>The only possible part of the company they could have any interest in is the MG brand, and not even the MGTF sports car. It might still be one of Europe's better selling roadsters, but it's totally ancient underneath its rather slinky bodywork, and was originally developed on a shoestring budget from Austin Metro components. The brand might fit with Honda's aspirations, but I doubt the MG TF would.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I do not believe that the Rover name is up for sale by BMW to anybody except Ford. And as for the TF, you actually have it quite backwards. The technology may be ancient, but it is selling better than any other roadster in Britain right now, and is one of the better selling cars in europe. If there was anything Honda would want, it would be the TF, because they can make a huge chunk of cash off a relatively cheap little roadster.

taskbearer
05-30-2005, 07:59 PM
If Honda buy's the MG brand, relying on the TF would be a terrible mistake. The increased sales of the car must have been spurred by the clamouring of enthusiats wanting to get the last bits of a dead company, cause the car is outclassed and extremly outdated.<p>It would make much better sense for honda to transfer all its nohow from the s2000 to developing an all new MG roadster, maybe even going the lotus-like aluminum route as honda was once a pioneer in the use of the aluminum. Combined with honda reliability. They can use their swindon plant to make engines for the MG cars and probably build the cars in a bespoke factory to seperate from honda.

MrMGMan
06-03-2005, 07:48 AM
The TF might be cheap to buy, but rumour suggests that it wasn't particularly cheap for MG Rover to build, mainly because a lot of work that goes into its construction is done by hand with the bare minimum of automation, and relies on outdated construction techniques originally on the MGF, a car developed for the lowest outlay possible. The MGF and TF production lines were a large part of the reason the Longbridge plant seemed to be so unproductive compared to rival factories.

taskbearer
06-03-2005, 10:59 AM
Exactly MrMGManthats why I'm saying relying on the TF would not a good idea. Building a new model would allow Honda( that is if they end up purchasinf the company) to share costa with their current models. I envisage a TF replacement in the sense of the upcoming VW roadster sharing components with the next gen civic and using mid mounted K20C engine. Anyways all this is wishful thinking as the bid for MG is getting hotter with TVR now in the mix.

SHEPO
06-04-2005, 07:52 AM
"Too bad it was never produced"<p>what do you mean it was never produced??? ITS CALLED THE HONDA/ACURA NSX!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
06-08-2005, 08:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>koenigseggccr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Too bad it was never produced"<p>what do you mean it was never produced??? ITS CALLED THE HONDA/ACURA NSX!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>technically, the NSX was only inspired by this car, but they do look very similar

taskbearer
06-09-2005, 12:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>technically, the NSX was only inspired by this car, but they do look very similar</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats why I've always wondered why most journalists refer to the NSX as a "soulless" Japanese design British journalists especially. When the baisc forms of the NSX was taken form this concept.

Hornbag
06-11-2005, 08:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>koenigseggccr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Too bad it was never produced"<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It could have saved Rover... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">