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drugmirko
04-22-2005, 01:58 PM
not shoure if this is concept... it's designed by Pininfarina for chinese automaker. it might be production model...<p><br><IMG SRC="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/upload_dir/717/1114096602_57894.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/upload_dir/717/1114096624_31280.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 5:04 PM 4/22/2005</i>

Santeno
04-22-2005, 02:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not shoure if this is concept... it's designed by Pininfarina for chinese automaker. it might be production model...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I believe this is a production model not a concept. The design is based on that of the Zonghua sedan, which was designed by Italdesign, not Pininfarina.

drugmirko
04-22-2005, 02:28 PM
<br>yes... grile and logo remind's me of Zhonghua M1 or something... but cardesignnews says that this is Biliance auto and that it was done by Pininfarina.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> . I'll go and check the logo....

drugmirko
04-22-2005, 02:38 PM
<br>here... that one I had in mind... <p><IMG SRC="http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/EPs3_030520_zhonghua_02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>but Briliance auto has same logo. I used babelfish to click arround easier on that tom.com site of Shanghai auto show and it might translate Zhonghua as Briliance auto. it did wrote Daily production SUV under Nissan's Zaroot concept <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> .... but why would cardesignnews do the same? they are plain english site... and on babelfish translated site, M2 springs arround that Briliance name too...

erzhik
04-22-2005, 03:22 PM
Chinese WILL NOT get away with that...<br>That chinese car is a VOLGA rip..Volga is a Russian made car, very old name and very popular...<br>This Volga was launched like 3 or 4 years ago..<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autonavigator.ru/autowallpapers/images/gaz-3111-volga.jpg" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-22-2005, 03:41 PM
They look absolutely nothing alike, save for a similarly shaped grille. (which has been used by many other manufacturers). And that Volga is ugly as sin, BTW.

Redline
04-22-2005, 04:40 PM
Also, this is designed by Italdesign, it's not in-house. So even if it was a rip-off, it would be them, not the Chinese who were stealing. Not every car that is Chinese is stolen, just most of them as of now.

drugmirko
04-23-2005, 12:28 AM
ok. I might read something too quickly but here's what cardesignnews has to say about it on sec. page of their articl, right next to the pictures of that car in first post:<p>Brilliance Auto 'Splendor'<p>Another very popular Italian name being bounced around the showroom is Pininfarina. It seems that the Chinese have a direct aquaintance with the famous Turin design-house and it equals quality and sales. Unlike their counterparts they design with a more Italian taste and this suits Brilliance Auto's Splendor concept car just fine. A shorter version of the 4.8m version sedan, the 4.6m long luxury sedan will be launched in October 2005. The specs sheet even claims that the project received technical support from Porsche, another well respected and admired engineering name in China, indicating yet again respect and admiration towards established European car manufacturers.<p>The interior is quite well put together even by Western standards, and quite refined for local palates. Most likely the tones will be lighter in the production version as Chinese consumers prefer light interiors with warm beige toned colors rather than blacks and grays. The Splendor is equipped with a Mitsubishi engine, as are most cars made in China, yet Brilliance Auto is looking forward proudly to equip their vehicles with their own engines in the near future.<p><br>here's link to the whole thing:<p><A HREF="http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2005/shanghai/highlights/index.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cardesignnews.com/a...x.php</A><p><br>there's no mention of Italdesign (wich is mentioned next to their Gobi concept pictures, just above it) and Pininfarina is. he might not be involved in design and is just mentioned... but he also might have something to do with it....<p><br>and btw. that Volga is gorgeous. one of posible rare, almost cult cars n future.

hakkinen
04-23-2005, 11:38 AM
This is the Brilliance M2. Based on the M1 it is about 28cm shorter. M1 is designed by Italdesign but i'm not sure about M2. BMW, Lemforder, ZF and TRW have helped Brilliance. The engines are from Mitsubishi (2.0 130hp, 2.4 136hp) while a 1.8 and 1.6 is being developed.<br>M1 will cost about 20.000 euros when it comes to Europe after Frankfurt motor show. M2 will be starting at 15.000

erzhik
04-23-2005, 01:20 PM
Volga and this chinese car have very similar headlights, pininfarinna just changed them a little and the body looks nearly the same....so...it's a rip

Redline
04-23-2005, 01:30 PM
So this is a Pininfarinna, but the body looks very different than that Volga you posted, not to mention a different window design. This is not just a rip.

nismo
04-24-2005, 10:23 AM
My mistake... I mean Daewoo. The old Leganza, but the Leganza was a little bit more refined in design.<p>

MrMGMan
04-24-2005, 11:14 AM
A little more refined in design? The Leganza was a piece of beautiful automotive sculpture compared to that Volga monstrosity, and the Brilliance Splendor is without doubt a great beauty compared to it.

MrMGMan
04-24-2005, 11:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Volga and this chinese car have very similar headlights, pininfarinna just changed them a little and the body looks nearly the same....so...it's a rip</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Similar headlights and almost the same body? Are you sure we're looking at the same two cars? The Brilliance makes the Volga look like an absolute joke.

nismo
04-24-2005, 11:23 AM
lol.... thats what I was saying but I didn't want to be as blunt about it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
04-24-2005, 12:07 PM
<br>well...Volga is production car, M2/Splendor is not... at least not yet. so...there's approximately 10 years of time difference in developement between Volga and M2. and the only universes where time flows faster than in auto industry is news and computer industry. so that put's Volga in diferent perspective for just a bit... not to mention that russian car industry in mid nineties was in emphasised sh**. they could only browse for Pininfarinas and Italdesigns on internet and could not hire them to "design" for them...<p>this is realy cool... whatever you say (but I'm kind of sorry that you faile to see it's beauty):<p><IMG SRC="http://digilander.libero.it/cuoccimix/GAZ3111-3_WEB.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://digilander.libero.it/cuoccimix/GAZVOLGA3111_4_WEB.JPG" BORDER="0">

AXLE
04-24-2005, 07:13 PM
I totally agree, all of your comments aimed at the Volga are unjustified. It is a great car, unless you just don't like russia and are still stereo typing its people and products.<p><IMG SRC="http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/gaz/foto3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/gaz/volga004.jpg" BORDER="0">

Gunfire
04-25-2005, 03:15 PM
mmm...then we should start telling Volga not to "borrow" from the Jaguar XJ or XJS-types, which to me seem the very very likely inspirations for the car above...<p><br>The Chinese one, on the other hand, has got something of a [sadly departed] Rover feeling to it... and, to some extent, a Opel/Vauxhall Astra taste in the front.

hakkinen
04-25-2005, 04:04 PM
Are these the headlights of Citroen Saxo (facelift) that i see on that Volga? It has a nice interior i should admit, if not a bit early 90's styled.

autoindx
04-26-2005, 08:00 AM
Original Zhonghua M1 was designed by ItalDesign.<br>Current Zhonghua M1-update, called Grandeur (Zunchi) was developed by Pininfarina<br>M2 Splendour which was finally unveiled last week was designed by Pinininfara.<br>Gobi which was mentioned in one of the posts here was designed by I.D.E.A. Institute, not ItalDesign.<br>Zhonghua is busy developing new models, I saw on a Chinese website a pic of a sportscar:<br><A HREF="http://auto.sohu.com/20050417/n225218286.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://auto.sohu.com/20050417/n225218286.shtml</A><br>but there's an MPV and a SUV in the pipeline as well.<br>Regards,<br>Pal<br>

drugmirko
04-26-2005, 10:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hakkinen</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are these the headlights of Citroen Saxo (facelift) that i see on that Volga? It has a nice interior i should admit, if not a bit early 90's styled.</TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gunfire</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mmm...then we should start telling Volga not to "borrow" from the Jaguar XJ or XJS-types, which to me seem the very very likely inspirations for the car above...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>both of you might be riht there... but sad fact, with rissian cars is that it does take ten years or more from styling idea to end model. I remember seeing prototype spy shots of current Lada 2110 in 1988/89. I wouldn't be surprised if this Volga wnt threough same process. and Jags in beggining of '90. were bit more boxy.<p>and thanks to autoindx we finaly know who designed M2/Splendour <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
04-26-2005, 12:20 PM
here is a pic of the interior of the Splendor:<p><IMG SRC="http://forum.auto.sina.com.cn/upload/25/343/20050421/36/7378/7393.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>all in all a nice and clean (if a bit derivative) design. Definitely the most thoroughly cohesive overall design I've seen come out of chinese auto maker to date (even if it's actually an italian design). I wonder how the good looks will match the performance and reliability of this thing. It would be interesting to know if BMW had some sort of imput on this (Brilliance being their partner and all).

aermo
04-26-2005, 01:12 PM
Looks like a BMW 5er

nismo
04-26-2005, 01:16 PM
that interior is well done. Sort of reminds me of the Bimmers pre-Bangle. The more I see of this car the more I like and they are probably inexpensive too..

MrMGMan
04-27-2005, 10:28 AM
I'm not insulting the Volga without justification. My justification is that to my British eyes, the exterior looks remarkably crude and ill thought out. Having said that, I have no problem at all with its interior design - if only Volga's exterior stylists had shown the same restraint with detailing that the interior stylists have, the car might look like less of a dog's dinner.

myredhotcar
04-28-2005, 08:22 AM
A damn good car; considering how long they've been in business, this is a much better effort than we've seen from ford, gm and most japanese makes recently. Sign me up for exclusive north american rights and i'll put detroit out of business.