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scorpio14
03-02-2005, 08:16 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.editorial.carsales.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/C25FB35079B52B77CA256FB8007B7839/$file/cam.jpg?OpenElement" BORDER="0"><p><B>TOYOTA Australia has made clear its intention to build high-performance sports versions of its mainstream Altona-built vehicles with the supercharged Camry TS-01 unveiled this morning at the Melbourne International Motor Show.<p>With a new-generation Camry due within 12 months, and an all-new, sportier Avalon following late in 2006, this near-production show car is not expected to hit Australian streets in its current form.<p>However, it does signal that from a technical standpoint Toyota Australia now has the nous and know-how to build such a car as it draws near to establishing a performance division to rival Holden Special Vehicles, Ford Performance Vehicles and Subarus STi brand.<p>"We are clearly moving in a new direction with this product," said Toyota Australias chief designer, Paul Beranger. "Were looking at developing a range of sports models for a number of market segments. And this is, as you say, a step towards that.<p>"The Japanese are very supportive of what were trying to do  they know that weve got a pretty unique market here where weve got to do a lot of things with a smaller number of products than they have in Japan, so the sports range for Australia is a big growth area for Toyota.<p>"From a technical point of view, we could build this car tomorrow and be very comfortable that it would work."<p>Mr Berangar said Toyota was now in a position to exploit the market awareness and interest in performance cars that HSV and FPV have established  but with vehicles which have "the design quality, engineering finesse and sophistication that Holden and Ford dont offer."<p>"We feel that weve got the combination of ingredients that will attract a new customer to Toyota and certainly draw from the existing customer base that Holden and Ford have," he said. <p>"There are certain people who will always want to buy Holdens and Fords ... (but) we are looking to broaden our market. Were certainly looking closely at a lot of the European product thats coming into Australia and we believe there is potential in Australia for vehicles like this (TS-01). <p>"Wed also like to look at exporting vehicles like this."<p>Built over the past nine months with a $600,000 budget, the Camry Sportivo-based TS-01 has a Roots-style supercharger  sourced from Toyota Racing Development in the United States  added to the venerable 3.0-litre V6 engine, which with 0.5bar of boost lifts maximum output to 185kW (up 40kW) at 6000rpm and 320Nm (up 36Nm) at 4000rpm.<p>More than a parts-sourcing, add-on-bits exercise, the TS-01 also led to collaboration between Japanese and Australian engineers to ensure the supercharger was fully calibrated with the engines electronic control unit (ECU). <p>"This has been the first time weve really been able to get into the ECU, with TMCs (Toyota Motor Corps) assistance, and thats really quite a milestone as far as our engineering here in Australia is concerned," said Toyota Australia new business development manager, Robert Allen. "Weve taken some big steps."<p>Mated to the same five-speed manual transmission used in Sportivo  this one using a shorter, notchier throw but the same gear ratios  and using a beefier clutch derived from the Celica GT4 race car, the TS-01 is claimed to reach 100km/h from standstill in 7.2 seconds. <p>The exhaust is all-new rearwards from the catalytic converter, with a pair of two-inch stainless steel pipes running through custom-built mufflers and tuned to impart a distinctive  though nothing too outrageous  note. Not bad for a platform which was never designed to take a twin exhaust.<p>Sitting 20mm lower than Sportivo, the front-drive TS-01 received considerable attention to deal with the blown engine and to increase driver involvement  in essence, to get as close as possible to a neutral chassis.<p>While the front brace bar was removed, and the steering modified with 100 per cent stiffer steering bushes and 14 per cent faster rack ratio, reinforcements were added to the rear suspension mounting points to increase rigidity. <p>The front spring rate was raised seven per cent, the rear spring rate 3.5 per cent and front and rear shocks retuned in accordance. High-stiffness drop links on the front and rear stabiliser bars were used to reduce roll, and rear toe angles were dropped to almost zero degrees  close to race-car spec  with design parameters all the while ensuring road comfort and compliance.<p> The latter is still to be verified, of course, however massive wheels and ultra-low profile rubber were eschewed for a more practical combination in 18-inch rims and 225/40 ZR18 Michelin Pilot Sports.<p>Set in a stunning open-spoke pattern, the wheels give onlookers a good view of the brakes, which at each front corner show a black PBR C5 two-spot calliper. Ferodo performance brake pads were used front and rear, the front disc diameter was increased from 280mm to 325mm (rear discs were not touched) and the brake booster was retuned.<p>Weight distribution remains around the same at an estimated 65/35 front/rear, and while neither the show car nor the test mule built alongside it has been plonked on a set of scales, kerb weight is believed to be around the current circa-1400kg Sportivo mark.<p>The question to ask now is: Is it any good? Mr Allen said the development car outperformed several benchmark cars including HSV and FPV cars and Subarus Liberty GT.<p>"In terms of overall refinement, its a more refined package and in handling and feel its a point-to-point car and probably just as quick," he said of its performance against the local muscle cars.<p>"It doesnt have the outright cred in a drag strip sense  (but) were only a little bit behind in that regard.<p>"We took the development car and the Subaru (Liberty GT) and a couple of other vehicles up to Winton, we drove them around and came home and thought the package weve got here is a better-handling package  and performance is equal or better as well. Even though thats an all-wheel drive, performance-oriented car.<p>"So we felt that that was our target  and wed over-achieved."<p>The exterior has received a subtle workout from Toyota Australias in-house design team, with carbon fibre skirting around the vehicle and some fine attention to detail with modular front and rear skirts, brake cooling slots, bonnet holes, a deflector on the grille (which sends more air under the bonnet), little air splitters on the wing mirrors and flared wheel arches.<p>A large rear wing with a Formula One-inspired centre-mounted LED brake light and provision for an adjustable rear flap is also used.<p>Inside, theres little write home about save for increased drivers seat bolstering, tan suede trim, backlit instruments and some more use of carbon fibre trim. <p>"What weve tried to do with this car is take the family Camry and give it some character," Mr Beranger said. "One of the things that we feel is important is to be able to communicate the technology to the customer, because the package the engineering group put together is pretty impressive for a car like this.<p>"We havent rushed out and built a car that is dramatic in terms of design. We feel that we want to maintain the credibility of Camry as the product base for it  (and) it really is an integration of engineering and styling brought together in a sophisticated but very sporty package."</B><p>Source: Carsales.com.au<p>

scorpio14
03-02-2005, 08:21 PM
I think it looks MAD... Theyre showing it at the Melbourne Motor Show... it better come to the Austalian (Sydney) Motor Show... coz i wonna c this<p>I cant wait till Next year and see what the Toyota Camry (and Avalon replacement... theyre changing the name) look like coz i have a good feelin theyll be SOOO much better...<p>And also cant wait to c what Toyota bring out to compete wit the HSVs and FPVs... theyll be WOW... wonder what theyll call the High Performance Division (not TRD i guess)<p>Need to c more pic

SV
03-02-2005, 08:53 PM
this looks awesome, but when i saw the thread i was expecting to see a concept version of the next camry (which also makes me realize that it seems like the current camry just came out recently; how times fly)

Gian86
03-02-2005, 09:04 PM
this concept is alright, all australian design which is excellent for sport sedan

Hornbag
03-03-2005, 12:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I cant wait till Next year and see what the Toyota Camry look like coz i have a good feelin theyll be SOOO much better...<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well toyota said that the camry we have right now would be a huge change...im still waiting. Then they said that the Avalon will kill the cold blodded Commodore and Falcon with the Avalon and Camry. Yet again, im still waiting...<p>So i guess i dont have high hopes...(they should just bring the US Avalon ova here, its looks good)

Top Secret
03-03-2005, 01:46 AM
Goddamn, it still looks horrible. I know this is supposed to be a realistic concept, but really...come on, we want some tyre-shredding power and some agressive looks from Toyota!! This just looks like a Sportivo Sports...nothing too exciting.<p>Actually lowering the car a decent amount will not go astray.

Naga Royal Guard
03-03-2005, 10:21 AM
the mazda 6 looks so much more natural sported up

scorpio14
03-04-2005, 09:47 PM
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knicks125
03-04-2005, 10:21 PM
nice pics...i guess<p>i like camrys, but i have no interests in this crap, i'm sorry to say this is the worst camry i have ever seen...you just don't make camrys that way...i'm glad this thing ain't coming here

Hornbag
03-04-2005, 10:40 PM
I actually think this looks good for a Camry.<p>Even tho it is still fugly, the front is much improved. And i do like those wheels........

scorpio14
03-04-2005, 10:53 PM
If it didnt have those Front Fog lights and just had its all smooth...then i'd say itd look even better... coz theyre too big... they coulda done somethin TOTALLY different to the front lights... same shape BUT a more conceptish combination... i'd like to c what its like wit a XR8 front bonnet too... could be lowered alot too<p>ALL i need to c is the BACK and the INTERIOR... <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scorpio14 at 2:28 PM 3/5/2005</i>

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:40 PM
since i read this is nearly ready for production in the land down under, i'm surprised toyota has approved of the project. Can someone please find links that state Toyota headquarter giving approval for this project, if any? thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>or maybe i am still in a state of confusion about this whole project...it has been a rough night <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
03-05-2005, 01:20 AM
<B>Toyota boss John Conomos says the company expects to have a fully-fledged SVO operation up and running within the next three years. Products to go under the performance wand include the next generation Camry and Avalon - both due next year - Corolla and HiLux. "We are beginning on a journey to improve our image through these types of vehicles as part of image enhancement program," he says. <br></B><p>Sounds good... I cant wait<p><br>Knicks125... <p> <B>"The Japanese are very supportive of what were trying to do  they know that weve got a pretty unique market here where weve got to do a lot of things with a smaller number of products than they have in Japan, so the sports range for Australia is a big growth area for Toyota.<br></B><p>Is that what u mean??... <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scorpio14 at 12:26 AM 3/5/2005</i>

knicks125
03-05-2005, 07:48 AM
cool...thanks...thats all I needed to know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>yeah, I only read part of your first post...it was a little too long <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Redline
03-05-2005, 06:28 PM
Looks like a Mazdaspeed Protege on crack. Not an image I'd want associated with my car. But if you have Mazdaspeed envy this bad then go ahead with it. But I suggest that Toyota go back to the drawing board on this one, and make it look more original and sensible.

Hornbag
03-05-2005, 06:56 PM
But thats the thing, Toyota is already way to sensible. They want to move away from that image...and this is a start

Naga Royal Guard
03-05-2005, 07:01 PM
no its not, i could take a camry into a home depot and make a more attractive " sporty camry" :-D<p>they should have had the light on when they designed it, toyota knows how to make sporty vehicles, this is just dumb

knicks125
03-05-2005, 07:17 PM
agree with naga...lol<p>i'm still in a confused state with this...this is not how you do a camry, <p>this is how you do it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Two Words: Camry Solara</B><p><IMG SRC="http://199.239.248.45/images/stk/2004/ty2004camrysolara01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jbcarpages.com/Camry/2004/Bilder/2004%20Toyota%20Camry%20Solara%20Red%20rear.jpg" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
03-05-2005, 07:38 PM
The Solara looks ok i supose. The only things i like are the back, i hate the front and side view!<p>I still say the TS-01 is a good concept (much better than other Camrys), but im weird...

Tudor
03-06-2005, 12:17 AM
the new solara has always reminded me of the first gen hyundai tiburon, but the TS-01 concept looks pretty cool. at least for a camry

Gromit
03-06-2005, 05:10 AM
The Solara's not the most attractive vehicle, is it? Anyone who uses a first-generation Hyundai Tiburon for inspiration clearly lacks confidence in their design ability, or needs new glasses.<p>And as for the TS-01 - it looks like Auntie's had a drop too much cooking sherry and pulled on the fishnets and stilettos. Are we trying too hard or what? "Look at me, I'm radical and edgy! No - really, I am!".<p>They may or may not be a nice car to drive but they'll sell a handful, to people who don't know (or don't care) about the subtext.

DSC-OFF
03-06-2005, 05:57 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.gizmag.com.au/pictures/3800_03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Ralf Schumacher & Jarno Trulli are introducing a new Camry?..could they get any sadder

knicks125
03-06-2005, 07:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gromit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Solara's not the most attractive vehicle, is it? Anyone who uses a first-generation Hyundai Tiburon for inspiration clearly lacks confidence in their design ability, or needs new glasses.<p>And as for the TS-01 - it looks like Auntie's had a drop too much cooking sherry and pulled on the fishnets and stilettos. Are we trying too hard or what? "Look at me, I'm radical and edgy! No - really, I am!".<p>They may or may not be a nice car to drive but they'll sell a handful, to people who don't know (or don't care) about the subtext.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>may i ask where you got your ideas that solara used a first generation Hyundai Tibby for inspiration? perhaps from Tudor, but he was just giving his own opinion. Regardless, I find your comments to be shallow yet igorant; I quote, "Anyone who uses a first-generation Hyundai Tiburon for inspiration clearly lacks confidence in their design ability, or needs new glasses", Tibby and Solara looks very nice for what they offer, please use some common sense before posting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As for this TS-01, it still looks weird. When you already have a good thing (the REGULAR camry), you don't make it into a bad thing, and I think that's what this car has become <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Redline
03-06-2005, 09:20 AM
I would have to say that the Solara is not a good example of a good looking sporty vehicle, because it doesn't have much good looks or sport in it. The Corolla S is actually pretty good looking and right up the alley of this Camry. I think they need to look at it for a long time before releasing this.

knicks125
03-06-2005, 09:24 AM
agreed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>i was just saying the solara is the closest thing to a camry, actually it is a camry, just a two door version of it.<p>regardless, i don't like the ts-01 but I think it would be good the the Aus. market, i guess

Gromit
03-06-2005, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by knicks125: "may i ask where you got your ideas that solara used a first generation Hyundai Tibby for inspiration?"<p><IMG SRC="http://images.automotive.com/review_images/99tiburon.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://199.239.248.45/images/stk/2004/ty2004camrysolara01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Actually, it was the first thing that struck me when I saw the photo you posted, and before I read Tudor's post. Both cars have heavily-scalloped side creases and droopy rear ends. To my eyes, these curvy aspects of the Toyota don't sit at all well with the window treatment and headlights, both of which would work much better on a car with more angular styling.<p>Because the side creases sit quite high up, there's an acre of slabby body side below each, cleverly accentuated by the obligatory tacked-on side skirts. Even Hyundai's stylists managed to scallop the lower doors so they don't look slabby.<p>As for the Mk I Tiburon - that car's always looked as though the designers knew roughly where they wanted to get to stylistically but didn't have the faintest idea how to actually get there. <p>A point which is illustrated by the HCD-1 concept that "inspired" the Tiburon:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.vintageweb.net/ccpa/prototyp/hy-hcd1.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Gee, they did a great job of carrying the concept's DNA across to the production car, didn't they? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Taste is of course an entirely personal thing. This and my earlier post are nothing more than my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree with it. I'm glad the styling of these cars is pleasing to you; to me they're not at all pleasing. C'est la vie.

knicks125
03-06-2005, 08:41 PM
Thank you for you thoughtful explanation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Solara might not be the most attractive car in your opinion but it appeals to my taste, and so is the tibby <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <B>The only reason I brought up the Solara is because it is a Camry</B><p>Most likely you have never had a chance drive a Solara yet, and I can tell you it's a very nice car. What the car offers and its usefulness outweighs the styling factor, and the inside refinment is on par with Lexus brands, I think. It can blow away this camry and the regular camry <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Go check it out here: <A HREF="http://www.toyota.com/solara" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.com/solara</A> - especially the interior <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I still think regular Camry is a lot better than this Camry; like I said before, you just don't do a Camry like that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Gromit
03-07-2005, 05:28 AM
They've done the interior very nicely. And I didn't know you could get a convertible Camry. Interesting.<p>I think my problem with the idea of a sports 4-door Camry is that fundamentally Camrys aren't sporty sedans. A Camry is a smooth, quiet, well-engineered family sedan - and there's nothing wrong with that! <p>If you dress it up with alloys, skirts and stiff suspension, you're making something that's less than the sum of its parts - not more.

Santeno
03-07-2005, 08:50 AM
Actually gromit, design similarities with the hyundai aside, is I recall correctly, the styling of the solara is in part derived from that of the Lexus SC.

knicks125
03-07-2005, 02:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the styling of the solara is in part derived from that of the Lexus SC.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes...espeically the interior <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Tman2
03-08-2005, 03:02 AM
I'm not trying to incite a flame war here, but, is this how one gets one's point across? By "eloquently" stating that someone's opinion is shallow yet ignorant? You might get you point across better by not using words like shallow, ignorant, or show offs. You evoke a certain air of superiority (read arrogance) when you make such comments. I don't think I'm shallow because I place a fair amount of emphasis on how a car is styled. If you like the looks of the Solara, does this make you shallow?<br>I appreciate that you are a Toyota fan (Apparently), as am I. But to many, the Camry Solara is eerily similar in style to the Tiburon. Whether the Tiburon was used as a benchmark is unlikely. The end result, however, is hard to argue against.<br>IMHO, its design is a step backwards from the previous Solara. I'm talking strictly design here, as every other area of the Solara is an improvement. <br>And by the way, how come you haven't responded to any of my postings in the Lexus IS250 thread? I'm not asking for an apology, but man, if you took the time to re-read my original post, you would realize that you were mistaken, and at least have enough integrity to reply to my post . If you haven't seen my posts yet, then I may be jumping the gun here.<br>We are more alike than you think... my blood boils when people bash Toyota (The comment about lacking confidence in design or designers requiring glasses is a bit harsh, but I can understand Gromit's sentiments) too without qualifying their statements, but if they've come up with a design that I am opposed to, then I will, and have a right to say so. Just maybe get down from your high horse (yeah, a little hypocritical of me I think sometimes) and you can have a fruitful conversation with people.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">may i ask where you got your ideas that solara used a first generation Hyundai Tibby for inspiration? perhaps from Tudor, but he was just giving his own opinion. Regardless, I find your comments to be shallow yet igorant; I quote, "Anyone who uses a first-generation Hyundai Tiburon for inspiration clearly lacks confidence in their design ability, or needs new glasses", Tibby and Solara looks very nice for what they offer, please use some common sense before posting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As for this TS-01, it still looks weird. When you already have a good thing (the REGULAR camry), you don't make it into a bad thing, and I think that's what this car has become <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>

knicks125
03-08-2005, 07:07 AM
Tman, please cool off a bit...you are acting like my father, and I don't like that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> I have yet to respond to you is b/c i have a life, i am not sure about you, but I have to work to pay for my expenses, living in nyc ain't cheap as you may have known. Anyways, I've been at clients a lot lately so excuse me for not replying only to YOUR messages.<p>i may have been a little hard on gromit, and for that i am sorry...(please accept my apology gromit)<p>however, i'm not going to apologize to you Tman, for one reason stop assuming things about me: i'm not arrogant as you have assumed; i never said i was or wasn't a toyota fan, and others...if you read my latter posts to gromit, you would have seen a different story (i thanked him for backing up his story <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> ), but i have no idea why you would want to keep going back to my prior posts, when this whole thing about solara-tibby was over. you said you don't a war, so don't start one and butt out other people's business <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-08-2005, 09:29 AM
Alright you two, it ends here. If anyone is going to start a war of words, just keep it off the forum or you will find that said war will be notable only for its brevity.<p>All of you, please be more careful about how you talk to others and try and refrain from name calling, and we will all get along. if ANYONE has a problem with another member, TELL A STAFF MEMBER!!! That's what we are here for. We can actually do something about it.<p>Now that this sillyness is over (which means, don't continue it), lets all get back on topic.

Gromit
03-13-2005, 06:03 AM
Hey - I'm not even lightly singed! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If knicks is ever in the area we can continue the discussion over a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> !!!

spwolf
03-18-2005, 07:59 PM
p.s. the is one of the coolest looking bodykits I have seen so far... Forget it is an camry, it looks awesome.

Hornbag
03-19-2005, 12:04 AM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">p.s. the is one of the coolest looking bodykits I have seen so far... Forget it is an camry, it looks awesome.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
03-19-2005, 12:16 AM
What its been like half a month now since they revealed it... and there still aint any new pics... I wonna c the bak and interior... where are these pics... god<p>Anywayz yeah i do like the kit... wonder if u could pay extra and get the kit made fa u if ya want it fa ya normal camry... doubt it though<p>

spwolf
03-21-2005, 08:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.gizmag.com.au/pictures/3800_03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Ralf Schumacher & Jarno Trulli are introducing a new Camry?..could they get any sadder</TD></TR></TABLE><p>aint that sad anymore, are they? After lapping Ferrari, look whos laughing now!

hokman
03-23-2005, 02:23 AM
I must congradulate Toyota of "Australia" for making this hot version of camry. Camry is the type of vehicle that brought toyota's image DOWN. The stereotypical boring saloon with no sporting appeal. The car is nothing other than making money for Toyota. Australia department's hardwork is subjected to change toyota's image across the world. And starting with a boring car is the best way to wipe off the mundane image. It might not look right to some eyes, but what's wrong with a sporty camry? They did indeed compete in BTCC in early 90's. And everyone in its class is doing it.<p>And I think. The solara is pretty much just a whale with whale-like overhangs. And it's for old people who thinks they are sporty. Of course there's nothing wrong with that. But it will futher degrade toyota's image.<p>I was a toyota fan but not anymore now. What happened to the corolla levin? And what the heck is with the new corolla looking like a van and using torsion beam? They are now bunch of cost saving conscious, money hungry, and sports cars fan's uncaring people. It's also trying to be green and useless with the prius.

Hornbag
03-23-2005, 05:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I must congradulate Toyota of "Australia" for making this hot version of camry. Camry is the type of vehicle that brought toyota's image DOWN. The stereotypical boring saloon with no sporting appeal. The car is nothing other than making money for Toyota. Australia department's hardwork is subjected to change toyota's image across the world. And starting with a boring car is the best way to wipe off the mundane image. It might not look right to some eyes, but what's wrong with a sporty camry? They did indeed compete in BTCC in early 90's. And everyone in its class is doing it.<p>And I think. The solara is pretty much just a whale with whale-like overhangs. And it's for old people who thinks they are sporty. Of course there's nothing wrong with that. But it will futher degrade toyota's image.<p>I was a toyota fan but not anymore now. What happened to the corolla levin? And what the heck is with the new corolla looking like a van and using torsion beam? They are now bunch of cost saving conscious, money hungry, and sports cars fan's uncaring people. It's also trying to be green and useless with the prius.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I AGREE ON ALL COUNTS! GOOD JOB DUDE! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
03-23-2005, 09:29 PM
I'm glad you agree. I hope others do too. especially toyota.

knicks125
03-24-2005, 06:22 AM
I am going to disagree with you on this one. Do you know what are you talking about? First you said, "Camry is the type of vehicle that brought toyota's image DOWN". What? Camry is one of the most popular cars in the world, if not the most popular, how does it bring toyota's image down, I would like for you to further explain please.<p>Then you went on and said, "And I think. The solara is pretty much just a whale with whale-like overhangs. And it's for old people who thinks they are sporty. Of course there's nothing wrong with that. But it will futher degrade toyota's image."<p>Solara is not designed for old people, maybe in your perception it is, but it's not. It's mainly a derviation from the Lexus SC, there are a lot of similarities between the two, espeically the interior. Go look at the avg. age of buyers for the Solara, I highly doubt I would consider the avg. to be old, unless you would think that average is old.<p>Whether or not you like toyota is your personal preference, but don't post insensitive comments like you did with your earlier post; not only none of the above quotes make sense, they were your false, shallow and ignorant perception of Toyota

hokman
03-24-2005, 03:38 PM
I'm false, shallow and ignorant yet I know the sc430/soarer is designed for rich widows in long beach.<br>Right? hornbag?<p>Knick, if you want to know how camry bought toyota's image down read my previous post, it's in there with the reason.

hokman
03-24-2005, 06:08 PM
If you couldn't find it, look near the words boring and mundane.

knicks125
03-24-2005, 08:02 PM
I read your post clearly and I didn't miss anything...<p>It's your opinion but I'd like to remind you that millions and millions of proud Camry owners would disagree with you.<p>Consumers in this segment (midsize family sedan) doesn't care about the car being bland, boring or mudane. If they did care, tell me why Toyota Camry is one of the most popular cars in the world? obviosuly something just doesn't add up, does it?

hokman
03-27-2005, 04:31 AM
so popular that it can't find more than 1000 customers per year in the UK and had to withdraw from the market this year.

knicks125
03-27-2005, 06:40 AM
there you go again with your nonsense...first you said that 99% of Canadians are blue collar and you saw a 99 year old woman driving a truck, or whatever, something like that...<p>your statement about Toyota (Camry) withdrawing it, regardless of whether it is true or not, I am too lazy to check it...you are forgetting the fact that europeans don't care about big cars like the Camry, especially with the gas price and the roads (they are not designed for a Camry). I don't believe your above statement one bit but regardless, you have a crazy perception - you need some help, some major <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>one thing is true Camry is one of the most popular cars in the world, that's a fact you can't dispute...now go away

Naga Royal Guard
03-27-2005, 06:57 AM
avenesis doesnt do too bad in europe<p>

knicks125
03-27-2005, 07:07 AM
I think it's fact that hokman's in denial, just because you don't like Toyota, Camry, Avenesis, Solara, doesn't mean everyone else hated it too.<p>You are just one person...one very very small person (from the rest of the world)...<p>BTW, there is no Camry in UK, Avenesis is the closest thing sold, very similar to Camry...get your facts straight <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
03-27-2005, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> had to withdraw from the market this year.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hokman does state that its not sold in the UK... anymore... BUT one time it was sold there... i remember seeing it in the UK Toyota website... but that musta been 1-2year ago... <p>I dont live in the UK... (well i was born there in late 1986 BUT moved to Australia mid 1988)...So i dont know if the rest of Hokmans info is true... BUT 1000 sales a year.... WOW thats bad... Australia sell almost triple that in a month... WELL i guess wit the new Avensis being a success (it is right??) i guess they didnt need the Camry there...

knicks125
03-28-2005, 04:23 AM
the fact that hokman thinks the Camry is the car bringing Toyota's image down, that will be a chuckle over at least 9 out 10's family dinner table :-)

scorpio14
03-28-2005, 09:35 PM
ah right... Ya right there

hokman
04-01-2005, 11:06 PM
haha, knicks125 is telling me to get my facts straight. While his facts is as crooked as a crooked stick.<p>I'll teach you something, current camry's competitor in europe is 607 and omega. Second class executive. But I should have said was, because now it's history.

hokman
04-01-2005, 11:07 PM
I must admit the facelift does make the front sleek and expensive. Only the front looks good though.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 06:29 AM
why is it that you keeping focusing on Europe, did anyone tell you Camry's biggest market is in the North America, have you ever looked at how many Camrys are sold in the US annually, alone? You are probably afraid to...<p>Not sure why you are still arguing...still denying the fact, just accept it like a man, or unless you are not one yet...<p>and btw, this facelift you talked about hasn't been made to production yet...and it's only for the land down under...

Flagship
04-02-2005, 01:58 PM
In the US the camry is the #1 selling car i think they make over 100,000 of them a year.<p>To you the camry might be boring but they will last forever.I know some people that have over 200,000 miles on them and they still preform the same as the day they got them.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 03:35 PM
everyone has their likes and dislikes, and that's danty fine...but what I don't get is that hokman keeps saying camry brings toyota's image down, b/c it's boring and mudane <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>to him it's like north america doesn't exist, even though he lives in it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
04-02-2005, 04:22 PM
yea, sick of tired of seeing one everywhere. But seeing the facelifted ones are pretty enjoyable. It's probably a sign of america's conservativeness, and toyota hit the bullseye with the camry. It's great value though, big car with good quality for that tiny sum? I see the reason of its success.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 04:41 PM
now there's something i finally agree with you; well, most of it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
04-02-2005, 06:06 PM
Well, i have an idea. Lest all hope that when Toyota say the next Camry (due next year i believe) is going to ditch its boring image, they live up to their word. Unlike 3 years ago, when they said that the next Camry (current one now) was coing to be exiting??? (sportivo excluded)

knicks125
04-02-2005, 06:15 PM
There is nothing wrong with a car being boring, as long as it sells, and in the case of the Camry, it's selling a ton...<p>Changes are good and changes are needed, but sometimes DRASTIC changes might backfire...

hokman
04-02-2005, 07:37 PM
probably knicks himself is a boring person, and a boring car suits him well along with other boring people.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 07:48 PM
There is no way to reason with you, no matter what I said.<p>Regardless, I am not sure if admins here like name calling but I find your name calling strategy to be your deeper denial of your intimate love for the Camry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>That said, your statement should get you kicked out of here. Despite the fact none of it is true, and I don't own a Camry, you just called every camry owner a boring person.

Dodger
04-02-2005, 08:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">probably knicks himself is a boring person, and a boring car suits him well along with other boring people.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, knicks has two very nice, unboring cars.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 08:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Actually, knicks has two very nice, unboring cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dodger, thanks for the complement!<p>I am going to stop talking to this person, and I would advise you and everyone else to do the same. He makes pointless arguments such as this one and how 99% of Candians are blue-collared. What's even worse he attacks you personally with no knowledge whatsoever and make uneducated assumptions, just like his car-related arguments.<p>He doesn't need to know what I drive, and wether or not he drives a Kia (as he advertised it under his name) is none of my business, just the same as he has no business to assume what I drive.<p>I repspect many people here, and Dodger you are one of them, however, I just can't seem to find hokman anywhere on that list...go figure...

Naga Royal Guard
04-02-2005, 08:33 PM
hokman is awesome guys, truly a brilliant thinker of our times

AM2
04-02-2005, 09:13 PM
(185kw)251bhp engine? Why not the 280bhp V6 of the Avalon, now that would have been better.

hokman
04-03-2005, 05:19 AM
I found the car opposite to camry:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.mattysk.dds.nl/picture/advertisements/1gsadv33.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Probably a cure for knicks. i said probably...<br>Regarding the sentence at the bottom of the ad, this probably doesn't apply to knicks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
04-03-2005, 05:24 AM
The GS broke the mold of small cars and the aerodynamics of 0.30cd in 1970 is world record, only .01 more than the new C4. This is one of the reasons why it's opposite of boring.

anonms
04-03-2005, 05:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, i have an idea. Lest all hope that when Toyota say the next Camry (due next year i believe) is going to ditch its boring image, they live up to their word. Unlike 3 years ago, when they said that the next Camry (current one now) was coing to be exiting??? (sportivo excluded)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looking at what MT said about the new Avalon, I'd say the Camry might finally get the dose of "fun" that Toyota promised.

Naga Royal Guard
04-03-2005, 09:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I found the car opposite to camry:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.mattysk.dds.nl/picture/advertisements/1gsadv33.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Probably a cure for knicks. i said probably...<br>Regarding the sentence at the bottom of the ad, this probably doesn't apply to knicks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>you really believe your funny dont you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
04-03-2005, 09:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I found the car opposite to camry:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.mattysk.dds.nl/picture/advertisements/1gsadv33.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Probably a cure for knicks. i said probably...<br>Regarding the sentence at the bottom of the ad, this probably doesn't apply to knicks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">probably knicks himself is a boring person, and a boring car suits him well along with other boring people.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hokman, there is obviously something wrong with you. also, in your profile you say you're 18, which i highly doubt. trust me, you're gonna get banned if you keep up this BS (if you don't believe me, just wait until andre or ascariss comes in here). also, knicks is accepting your biased (and downright wrong) criticism, and then you just resort to calling him names even though he's done nothing to you. do you <I>want</I> trouble? because it sure seems like it.

Hornbag
04-03-2005, 08:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Looking at what MT said about the new Avalon, I'd say the Camry might finally get the dose of "fun" that Toyota promised.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Never even before have i been overly exited about a Toyota, but i really cant wait for the new Camry! I hope its good too...

hokman
04-03-2005, 10:38 PM
I'm waiting for corolla to see a lost of van-like profile and multilink suspension like new rivals golf/focus.

hokman
04-03-2005, 10:44 PM
It's no wonder a 14 year old doesn't know much. He's born in, let me see... 1990! That's when LOTS of stuff already happened and you were still a sperm. Put it this way, when I step into primary school you were still in diapers. So I can't expect anything from you. In fact, when you see small kids like 6 yr old, and if you think, they are actually born in 1999. It feels crazy. I don't know why. I'm very sorry if I upset you but this is what I think. And you should research more about cars.<p>I was born when GSA stopped production, and I know this because of internet. I know 80% of car knowledge from internet.<p>GS is also special because it's the first small car that has self-leveling gas sus. From periods to periods I research different "interesting" cars, most from old days because they are more interesting. These 2 days, it happens that I'm looking at this so I posted the advertisement. <p>Sorry for any confusion.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hokman at 10:53 PM 4/3/2005</i>

hokman
04-03-2005, 10:54 PM
Sorry to Knicks if you think I'm naming you something.

JBlair
04-03-2005, 11:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's no wonder a 14 year old doesn't know much. He's born in, let me see... 1990! That's when LOTS of stuff already happened and you were still a sperm. Put it this way, when I step into primary school you were still in diapers. So I can't expect anything from you. In fact, when you see small kids like 6 yr old, and if you think, they are actually born in 1999. It feels crazy. I don't know why. I'm very sorry if I upset you but this is what I think. And you should research more about cars.<p>I was born when GSA stopped production, and I know this because of internet. I know 80% of car knowledge from internet.<p>GS is also special because it's the first small car that has self-leveling gas sus. From periods to periods I research different "interesting" cars, most from old days because they are more interesting. These 2 days, it happens that I'm looking at this so I posted the advertisement. <p>Sorry for any confusion.<p><i>Modified by hokman at 10:53 PM 4/3/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude, just stop posting in this section. The hole you are digging yourself into is getting deeper, and if you don't stop soon you'll get buried.

hokman
04-03-2005, 11:43 PM
what do you mean?

Ascariss
04-03-2005, 11:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do you mean?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your still here? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> I thought I banned you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
04-03-2005, 11:57 PM
Why did you banned me?

Ascariss
04-04-2005, 06:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why did you banned me?</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> thread locked.

Naga Royal Guard
04-04-2005, 07:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why did you banned me?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>because you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and your Not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">