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Nuvolari
02-13-2005, 05:06 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/01_450.79421.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/02_450.79423.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/03_450.79426.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source:www.auto-motor-und-sport.de<p><B>This is the new, Saab 9-3 based Cadillac for Europe.</B><p><B>BLS</B> stands for b-segment Luxury Sedan.<p>The introduction on the market is to start in February 2006, at prices starting from approximately 28,000 to 29,000 euro - thus exact between Saab 9-3 and the larger Cadillac CTS (C-segment Touring Sedan).<br>The BLS is 4.68 meters long, 1.76 meters wide and 1.44 meters high. It is the last European new publication on basis of the current Epsilon platform of GM (OPEL Vectra, Saab 9-3),afterwards only two US derivatives - under it also the Saturn Aura come.<br>Due to its late date of publication and the transition for second Epsilon generation, already lining up starting from 2007 with the next generation Vectra (among other things with optional all-wheel drive) the model cycle of the Cadillac BLS will amount only four and a half years. For autumn 2010 a successor is already expected, wich will be available supplementary as Wagon and Coup Cabrio.<br>The BLS will be up to the appearance of the V6 and V8-Turbodiesel (autumn 2007) for the rear wheel-driven models the first Cadillac with diesel engine. It will be used the 1,9-Liter-Vierzylinder well-known from the Fiat GM Jointventure, which is to carry out approximately 180 PS in the BLS and will be equipped with particle filter. <br>Other engines:<br>- 2.0T 200PS<br>- 2.8 V6 Biturbo 275PS<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Nuvolari at 4:23 PM 2/13/2005</i>

JBlair
02-13-2005, 05:14 PM
Interior is gorgeous (a little too much saab in it though). Exterior is awkward. Headlamps are too big (I like their shape though), grille is too graphic (inset is too big), but rear is perfect. The saab windowline is a bit too organic for the sharp edged design as well, but I think they did a good job of hiding Saab.

Naga Royal Guard
02-13-2005, 05:22 PM
the car makes itself look really TALL, i prefer the flat grille of the CTS; a car i feel has almost perfect sedan proportions<p>but im glad to see this car finally :)

The Water Is Poison
02-13-2005, 05:27 PM
Eh, not a fan. It looks really tall, the tail is pretty much a CTS and the headlights make me wanna throw up.

Naga Royal Guard
02-13-2005, 05:31 PM
Caddy needs this car to establish sales in europe; im quite happy for them actually

syclone
02-13-2005, 05:39 PM
overall i think it looks slightly above average - which is great considering the shape they had to start with. not that i dont like the 93 - i think its a beautiful shape - just not cadillac at all. overall, it does come accross as more than just a rebadge. enough so that there is no doubt it is a cadillac at a quick glance, which i think is what gm really needs to establish the brand in europe.

Charger
02-13-2005, 07:56 PM
Heres some more pics<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6687426.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6687424.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6687425.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6687423.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6687420.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: autoweek.nl

ToronadoGT
02-13-2005, 08:29 PM
Isn't the production version going to be sold in the U.S., too? Personally, I think the car is superb, although the interior is like a Chrysler 300's. (Which isn't a bad thing.)

Charger
02-13-2005, 08:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anorexorcist</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't the production version going to be sold in the U.S., too? Personally, I think the car is superb, although the interior is like a Chrysler 300's. (Which isn't a bad thing.)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Im pretty sure this is for Europe only, but I could be wrong.

nismo
02-13-2005, 08:32 PM
Not bad considering I'm not feeling the CTS or STS.. surprise by how different they made it but I think they could've put different engines. Turboes are for SAAB... silly GM.<p>I hope its only for Europe. We don't really need it here in the US.

Fairsky
02-13-2005, 08:42 PM
BLS is short for BLowS! <p>I'm happy this is not coming to the US... it is a poor application of Caddy's evolving design. The lines are Caddy, but the proportions are all Saab. The greenhouse is too tall and verticle for Cadillac... way too Saab like. This is what happens when platforms sharing is done poorly. I can't imagine Europeans will desire this above a BMW or Merc.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Fairsky at 8:08 PM 2/13/2005</i>

AXIS
02-13-2005, 09:43 PM
Thats one good looking Malibu <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> Does BLS stand for BULLS***? Did they learn nothing from the Cimmaron <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
02-13-2005, 10:15 PM
Wow, I don't think it's bad at all! It's a nice adaptation of the Cadillac design language on a smaller platform... inevitably there will be translation problems with putting a design that edgy and faceted on a car this size, but overall they worked it out rather nicely! The only thing that puts me off is the Saab shift lever inside. <p>I hope it does well... it's like a cute baby CTS.<p>And I don't use the term "cute" very often. Go Caddy.

Gian86
02-13-2005, 11:01 PM
Wowww, is this car could be european version of CTS? I don't really know???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> Because it looks very similar to CTS. <br>Would Holden pick this car instead of CTS when Cadillac brand would return to Australia in 2007?? Maybe they should get both and the rest of newer Cadillac products!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Velocitas
02-13-2005, 11:29 PM
<br>You know, as much as we bash GM for their reskinning approach to brand management, they did a pretty good job with this. I mean, the Cimmarron that someone brought up was nakedly and obviously a Cavalier. It was truly horrible. This completely hides the Saab underneath, and frankly I think that the 9-3 is a good enough car to legitimately sit underneath a baby Caddy.<p>In my opinion, this is more legitimate than the Saaburu 9-2, for example.<br>

Nick
02-14-2005, 12:17 AM
frankly when I saw the first pic I immediately thought of this pic...probably just due to the fact that it is pretty much the same angle...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/GENEVE/Opel%20Vectra%20OPC.jpg" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
02-14-2005, 12:21 AM
I like it! It looks good! But I really don't get where this is supposed to slip in; CTS - BMW 3 Series, STS - 5 Seres, DTS - 7 Series so therefore the BTS - ?

DrPetrus
02-14-2005, 12:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">frankly when I saw the first pic I immediately thought of this pic...probably just due to the fact that it is pretty much the same angle...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/GENEVE/Opel%20Vectra%20OPC.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Also because it's pretty much the same car.<p>I think it looks much better than either Opel Vectra or SAAB 9-3. We need this in Europe.

DoMiNo
02-14-2005, 12:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You know, as much as we bash GM for their reskinning approach to brand management, they did a pretty good job with this. I mean, the Cimmarron that someone brought up was nakedly and obviously a Cavalier. It was truly horrible. This completely hides the Saab underneath, and frankly I think that the 9-3 is a good enough car to legitimately sit underneath a baby Caddy.<p>In my opinion, this is more legitimate than the Saaburu 9-2, for example.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haha, yeah... <I>especially</I> when compared to something like the 9-2. <p>I'm in college... but you give me one of these in pewter with black leather and THOSE rims, and I'd drive it in a SECOND.

Ascariss
02-14-2005, 12:48 AM
More info from World Car Fans:<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050214.001" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/ne...4.001</A>

Hornbag
02-14-2005, 04:41 AM
The only GM brande that i can say i truly like is Cadilac. They look so danm pimped!!!

SV
02-14-2005, 06:54 AM
i like it, especially since it isn't a near-rebadge like the 9-2. the only problem is the saab window shape; the bottom of the window looks too low. the interior is excellent though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

coolbluelb
02-14-2005, 08:16 AM
I must say that I am disappointed to hear this will not make it to the states. If there were ever a Cadillac I would consider buying, this would be it. I guess they are still fearful of the Catera bug...

Santeno
02-14-2005, 08:20 AM
What A nice Cimarron! Oops. sorry I meant BS; Damn, I meand Balls; gosh darnet I meant BLS.

knicks125
02-14-2005, 08:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What A nice Cimarron! Oops. sorry I meant BS; Damn, I meand Balls; gosh darnet I meant BLS.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The car looks okay, the name, however, sounds terrible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
02-14-2005, 01:44 PM
Is it just me or have they actually used the 9-3's doors? They sure as hell kept the steering wheel. No wonder they have low sales expectations with this, even with a diesel ( btw, i think that 150 bhp makes more sense than 180 ). It doesn't look good at all imo. The STS, now that's a good looking car

jjazz0092002
02-14-2005, 02:34 PM
I think they should call this car Catera, because it is small sized just like the Catera used to be. And all of the other Cadillac's names are like cts, sts, dts, xlr, and Cadillac should have at least one decent name.

M0L0TOV
02-14-2005, 02:42 PM
Maybe BLS stands for Bob Lutz's Sedan :-p It's a nice looking car, no typical GM rebadge. From what I've read it's not going to be brought over here, but here's the good news, at least this car won't be ruined with whitewall tires and a canvas top :-(<p>M0L0TOV

knicks125
02-14-2005, 02:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>M0L0TOV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe BLS stands for Bob Lutz's Sedan :-p </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It might well just be...

JBlair
02-14-2005, 04:22 PM
I still don't understand the BLS name, especially since almost all of their cars are 'touring sedans', not luxury sedans.

Redline
02-14-2005, 04:34 PM
Wow, that looks great! Except for the bling-tastic rims, I never liked over-done chrome wheels anyway.

DoMiNo
02-14-2005, 06:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jjazz0092002</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think they should call this car Catera, because it is small sized just like the Catera used to be. And all of the other Cadillac's names are like cts, sts, dts, xlr, and Cadillac should have at least one decent name.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I personally think that Catera is one name that should never be "exhumed"... the Catera was unloved by critics and the driving public alike, and I don't think Cadillac wants to rekindle <I>that</I> flame...

KebabGud
02-14-2005, 06:35 PM
What does BLS stand for? <br><b>B</b>ul<b>LS</b>hit ?<br>this is goint to flopp.. just look at the rims.. there "bling" in other words.. it to american.<br>a car made to be sold i europe has to be made for europeans.. somthing it seems only ford has understood.. (be making cars that look like VW cars :P)

Naga Royal Guard
02-14-2005, 06:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What does BLS stand for? <br><b>B</b>ul<b>LS</b>hit ?<br>this is goint to flopp.. just look at the rims.. there "bling" in other words.. it to american.<br>a car made to be sold i europe has to be made for europeans.. somthing it seems only ford has understood.. (be making cars that look like VW cars :P)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the rims are strictly for the showcar <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
02-14-2005, 09:21 PM
So GM is only giving North America, its home market, pointless, cheap, rebadges?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-15-2005, 08:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So GM is only giving North America, its home market, pointless, cheap, rebadges?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not sure i understand you comment. If I'm reading this right, then the answer is that thais car is not coming to NA. That said, does anyone know what type of performance is expected of this car. I mean, If it's supposed to be competing in A4/3series/C-class territory, it should have something going for it other than a not so well balanced rendiotion of cadillac's corporate styling.

Naga Royal Guard
02-15-2005, 08:30 AM
it has a turbo 2.8

coolbluelb
02-15-2005, 10:34 AM
I just wonder if it has a spot to keep your BLT, while you drive down MLK in your BLS?<p>On topic, a 2.8l turbo sounds interesting. Cadillac has started appealing to a younger crowd, something it was not overly successful at when afore mentioned Cateras and Cimarrons were produced. It is ashame if there in fact no plans to bring this car to the States, as it could be a nice competitor for cars like the next gen IS300 et al.

JBlair
02-15-2005, 12:32 PM
What I find extremely interesting is that the BLS moniker (as well as BLX, BLC, and BLW) were registered for trademarks in the US only, not in Europe.

SV
02-15-2005, 04:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So GM is only giving North America, its home market, pointless, cheap, rebadges?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>this car is designed in europe and, from what it sounds like, will not be sold in america.

MrMGMan
02-16-2005, 11:26 AM
This reminds me of the transformation of the 1993 Honda Accord into the Rover 600... two cars that share their entire mechanical platforms and the majority of their body panels, while managing to look almost completely different to one another.<p>I rather like it. They've done very well to hide the fact that the entire underbody structure and a lot of the body panels and interior components are lifted directly from the Saab 9-3. It's also relatively restrained and classy looking, with the exception of those rather 'Bling' wheels, which as stated, are strictly for the concept version. <p>According to the UK's Autocar magazine, it was developed for the bargain price of $250 million (135 million) and it's destined solely for the European market, with little or no chance at all of it being sold in the US. A decision is yet to be made on where its actually going to be built, but the final choices are down to Opel's Russelheim plant in Germany and the Saab Trolhatten plant in Sweden. Maybe they'll ignore these two plants, go against all good judgement and decide to build it at Vauxhall's underused Ellesmere Port plant in the UK.

Buster
02-25-2005, 10:33 PM
I believe that the BLiSs is a perfect entry sedan for Cadillac Europe. It's really hard for me to see the Saab in it. The exception being the steering wheel/intruments. It has the right combination of powerplants. It's not elegant, but it is bold and brash and isn't that what Europeans expect from the USA?

Charger
02-28-2005, 02:34 PM
heres some new pics<br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023310__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023309__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023308__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023307__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023306__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023305__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023304__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023303__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023302__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__023061__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: wieck

mzoltarp
03-01-2005, 06:36 AM
I think it's a pity it will not be sold in the USA. I think it has tremendous potential to be a hit. If equipped with a hot turbo it could be a great counteroffensive to the Lexus IS. The next CTS has to be in the offing and this model would allow the CTS to climb up to a more mid range model as opposed to entry. This would be GM's best way of selling SAAB 9-3s in the USA.