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Naga Royal Guard
12-19-2004, 06:35 PM
Lexus to Unveil Exotic Sports Car Concept Vehicle at NAIAS<p>December 13, 2004 -- Torrance, CA -- Lexus will stage the world premiere of its LF-A exotic sports car concept vehicle at a press conference during the North American International Auto Show on Sunday, January 9, 2005. The LF-A was designed to explore the outer limits of sports car performance, while showcasing a bold new direction in styling for the Lexus brand. <p>The 2005 Lexus GX 470 luxury utility vehicle makes its auto show debut in Detroit. The new GX receives a substantial gain in performance and technology with the addition of a more powerful V8 engine and a new Sport Package that includes the advanced Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) along with special trim. Equipping the 2005 GX 470's 4.7-liter V8 engine with the variable valve timing with intelligence (VVT-i) system and an electronic throttle control system with intelligence (ETCS-i) has increased output from 235 horsepower to 270. <p>Also showcased in Detroit is the new 2005 RX 330 Thundercloud limited edition, which offers a fresh option to Americas No. 1-selling luxury SUV. Sporting the exclusive Thundercloud Metallic exterior color and gray leather interior, the RX 330 Thundercloud Edition includes special five-spoke alloy wheels with contrasting color, a more aggressive front grille, special edition emblems on front doors and floor mats, and Black Birds Eye Maple interior wood trim. <p>The Lexus Press conference highlighting the LF-A concept vehicle will be held Sunday, January 9, 2005 at 1:45pm at the Riverview Ballroom in COBO Center<p>Wieck <p><br>Lexus Unveils 500-Plus Horsepower, 200 MPH Sports Car Concept at the 2005 North American International Auto Show<p>click photo to preview<p> <p>01/09/2005 Detroit, MI<p>Lexus unveiled the LF-A sports car concept at a press conference today at the 2005 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS). The two-seat concept blends the performance of an exotic sports car with the luxury refinements of a Lexus. Designed to express a bold new direction in styling for the Lexus brand, the LF-A concept is a vision closely aligned with the company's Formula One commitment to achieving superiority among its rivals in speed, quickness, agility and reliability.<p>"The Lexus LF-A is like no sports car we have ever builtor even imagined," said Jim Press, Toyota Motor Sales executive vice president and COO. "Currently only a concept, it is a realistic vision of how we might address the boundaries that define the exotic sports car landscape."<p>The Lexus LF-A concept features an engine capable of developing more than 500 horsepower from a displacement of less than five liters. With a combination of optimum gearing, weight and aerodynamics, the LF-A concept would produce a top speed in the neighborhood of 200 miles per hour.<p>"The LF-A is theoretically developed to run a parallel course to our company's efforts in Formula One racing," added Press. "It would probably feature a powertrain and drivetrain configuration strongly influenced by whatever is being used in competition at the time."<p>Inside, the LF-A is designed as a luxury high-speed capsule that blends extravagant comfort with precision operation. Although it is about five inches shorter in length than the Porsche 911 Turbo, its wheelbase is nine inches longer. At 48 inches, it is nearly identical in height to the Ferrari F430. And with a width of 73.2 inches, it splits the difference between the Mercedes Benz SL55 and the Aston Martin DB9.<p>While the LF-A makes a major statement in how Lexus would define exotic sports car performance, it was conceived to express the emergence of a new direction in styling for the Lexus brand, globally.<p>"Over the last two years, a new styling philosophy that we call L-Finesse, has taken shape at Lexus Design," said Wahei Hirai, Toyota Motor Corporation's global managing officer of design. "What has emerged from this two-year journey is not just a new direction in philosophy. It is a new design language, based on the dynamism and inherent contrast between simplicity and elegance."<p>Simplicity, in form and function, reflects styling that is uncluttered and void of extraneous elements. Elegance, inside and out, avoids exaggeration by prioritizing understated luxury that is intriguing, subtle and seamlessand slightly surprising. The key to the formula is how the visual contrast between simplicity and elegance creates a look that is dynamic, forceful and vigorous.<p>The LF-A is a fundamental shift in both style and design for Lexus. The positioning and sizing of major components have been redefined and condensed. By taking an entirely different approach to proportion and packaging, designers have achieved the ultimate weight balance, so vital to high-speed handling and stability.<p>As a total package, the Lexus LF-A concept is a bold statement and a clear indication of the path that Lexus' global design will follow in the near future.<p>LF-A Specifications:<p>Two-seat ultra-high performance coupe<p>Wheelbase: 101.6 inches / 2580 mm <p>Overall length: 173.2 inches / 4400 mm <p>Overall width: 73.2 inches / 1860 mm <p>Overall height: 48.0 inches / 1220 mm<p>Front tire size: 245/40R19<p>Rear tire size: 285/35R19<p> <IMG SRC="http://t.wieck.com/PV/2004/12/30/TYT2004123060515_PV.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br> <IMG SRC="http://t.wieck.com/PV/2004/12/30/TYT2004123060558_PV.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://t.wieck.com/PV/2004/12/30/TYT2004123061261_PV.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://t.wieck.com/PV/2004/12/30/TYT2004123062000_PV.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Somone ( infact, many ) people need to be SHOT for this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 3:03 PM 1/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 3:03 PM 1/9/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
12-20-2004, 08:51 PM
this is what i am most excited about for NAIAS

Charger
12-28-2004, 05:11 PM
<IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1227/article66696_1.images/78256.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: this magazine above

Ascariss
12-28-2004, 06:30 PM
Looks like a chop of something, maybe the nsx concept that was shown before?

Naga Royal Guard
12-28-2004, 07:20 PM
trust you to find somethin like that charger <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
12-28-2004, 07:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">trust you to find somethin like that charger <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hehe, hey now, that was only the second pic that I posted thats like that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
12-28-2004, 08:07 PM
is that really it?<p>

Top Secret
12-28-2004, 09:04 PM
Looks like it might be a design proposal for the 4500GT or otherwise known as the Supra replacement? Or even the rumoured supercar?

knihc2008
12-28-2004, 11:37 PM
does look like those spy shots we've been seeing. but it looks way too boring and slab-sided to come out of lexus' new styling studio.

Top Secret
12-28-2004, 11:56 PM
. . . what kind of exciting cars has Lexus designed? The LS430? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>From what I know, this is probably one of the most outgoing Lexus designs I've seen, apart from that beautiful LF-S.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knihc2008
12-29-2004, 12:19 AM
no, lexus' new styling studio brought out the lfs and lfc, both beautiful and very decidedly unboring. this doesn't look like it;s from the same studio at all.

LEXUS FAN!
12-29-2004, 01:12 AM
was the HPX (or LF-X...I don't know what it is called now) part of Lexus' new design or no?

KebabGud
12-29-2004, 12:12 PM
the HPX was the first of the consepts to be designt with the new design direction in mined<p>PS: the car in the picture is a Honda/ferrari 360NSX Fantasy car :P<br>(i hope.. looks like a italien japanese hybrid :P)<br>

LEXUS FAN!
01-09-2005, 11:25 AM
It will be unveiled in 20 mintues...stay tuned...watch it here<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/autoshow/livecammain.htm?zone=page1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/autoshow/...page1</A>

RetroJapan
01-09-2005, 11:37 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/205470501_lexus_lfa_front.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: ClubLexus<p>Somewhat of a disappointment...

Charger
01-09-2005, 11:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RetroJapan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/205470501_lexus_lfa_front.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: ClubLexus<p>Somewhat of a disappointment... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your are right, its a little disappointing but I have to see more pics

anonms
01-09-2005, 11:42 AM
So THAT'S what the sports car Toyota was track-testing is supposed to be!

LEXUS FAN!
01-09-2005, 11:42 AM
darn...i wanted to wait until the unveiling to actually see it...oh well

LEXUS FAN!
01-09-2005, 12:13 PM
it looks exactly like the TXS that was testing...i bet under that disguise it was this<p>i really like it...at first i had mixed feelings, but after seeing the debut i really like it<p>IT CAN PRODUCE 500 HP with less than 5.0 LITERS<p>It can have a top speed of 200 MPH<p>at the debut, they also said more details about the GS hybrid, the IS, and the RX hybrid<p>i will post what they said in the industry news and rumours<p><br><i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 11:19 AM 1/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 11:20 AM 1/9/2005</i>

RetroJapan
01-09-2005, 12:15 PM
<A HREF="http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_release.html?id=2005009b" TARGET="_blank">http://pressroom.toyota.com/ph...5009b</A>

LEXUS FAN!
01-09-2005, 12:21 PM
bigger picture<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/pages/1.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...1.htm</A><p>more BIG PICTURES<p>i love the interior...it is relatively practical<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143777&page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...age=3</A>

The Water Is Poison
01-09-2005, 03:24 PM
somewhat? this is a total dissapointment

JBlair
01-09-2005, 03:36 PM
This is one of the worst concept cars I have ever seen Lexus produce. Not only is it, to be perfectly frank, the ugliest car at Detroit, but it lacks any emotion whatsoever that a car like this needs. Its bad, real bad. Like Naga said, a lot of people need to be shot for letting this escape from the design studio.

Tman2
01-09-2005, 04:19 PM
Hey guys, it ain't that bad. I think the rear opening for the rads is probably the worst element of the car. The LF-A is far better looking than that piece of crap LF-C Lexus showed last yeat. I like the front end of the LF-A.<br>Like most of Lexus' concepts, they tend to look better out of the showroom or studio environment.<br>Off topic, but, with the exception of the HP-X (now LF-X), what is with EVERY damn concept being silver? I think we all get the point that Lexus is trying to achieve a unified look, but please, silver starting to look boring to me. The LF-A would look a lot better in something like red or blue, or black.

Naga Royal Guard
01-09-2005, 04:20 PM
that could be the problem, and this isnt the nicest shade of silver anyway, gold would be cool

Tman2
01-09-2005, 04:23 PM
Damn, Naga! You are quick with the replies! :)<p>BTW, I'm glad to have finally registered with the new CarSpyShots.

Tman2
01-09-2005, 04:29 PM
Actually, do you guys remember when the 2005 GS debuted? I think the overall consensus was everyone, myself included, was let down. Now, seems like everyone has fallen in love with the GS's looks.<br>For me, this is typical Toyota... they always seem to grow on me. I think the LF-A will be no different.

Player4
01-09-2005, 04:56 PM
Its kinda dissapointig but its not that bad at all, i like the little fans under each tailight that loooks really kool all that to cool the engine!! <p><IMG SRC="http://t.wieck.com/PV/2004/12/30/TYT2004123062000_PV.jpg" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-09-2005, 05:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tman2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn, Naga! You are quick with the replies! :)<p>BTW, I'm glad to have finally registered with the new CarSpyShots.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yep <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> good to have you back <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
01-09-2005, 05:47 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Nice one Lexus, you make beauties like the LF-S and the GS, and then come out with this dunger! The front end just looks boring and uninspired, the rear doesn't flow with the front and much more extreme.<p>Only one emotion to describe this car: <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
01-09-2005, 06:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Nice one Lexus, you make beauties like the LF-S and the GS, and then come out with this dunger! The front end just looks boring and uninspired, the rear doesn't flow with the front and much more extreme.<p>Only one emotion to describe this car: <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i wish they made the front more exotic like you said, but the rear makes up for it, and when i look at it; it is still beautiful.

iamalittlepepper
01-09-2005, 07:44 PM
I think it is active aerodynamics.. gordon murray had it in one of his F1 cars but it was banned after one season.

JBlair
01-09-2005, 07:45 PM
Realized why I hate the rear so much. Toyota designer's apparently missed the lesson about visual tricks, because everything is way too vertical which causes the vehicle too look too tall and too narrow. (even though it is wide and low). They need to make those radiator grilles horizontal to make the car look as wide as it is and make that diffuser-thingy much smaller to balance the rear visually. This car still has some way to go; the mechanicals are of course going to be top-notch, but its too bad the design looks like it came from a Korean design studio.

piokor
01-09-2005, 11:15 PM
I think that the only problem with this is the front, those headlights look so wrong for this car. The interior is awesome and the rear is interesting. Hopefully the front will be changed before production.

scorpio14
01-10-2005, 12:01 AM
The interior is fantastic.....it should stay for the production model<p>The rear is alright but too much if u look from the back view....<p>The front is too plain but then all the LF concepts have been (which aint a bad thing...i guess theyre not tryin to reveal too much on upcoming models)<p>The side profile i like alot...but not sure about the alloys (but then again all the LF concepts have the same finish)<p>BTW is this meant to be the Toyota TXS that was in the media last year and being tested?? I hope not coz i wont Toyota to bring another Concept super car out...

taskbearer
01-10-2005, 03:46 AM
Like for most people , this car happens to be a let down. The LF-S and LF-C were much better looking concepts. the design is not fluid, the front is band while the rear is overdone. Only the interior of this car kicks ass, for some reason I wish this interior appeared on the production GS.

Top Secret
01-10-2005, 04:30 AM
Yeah, I think the Lexus designers wanted to make the LF-A have a 'wedgy' shape to make it look more sporty, but they overdid it.

Snake Vargas
01-10-2005, 05:24 AM
I like it; the rear looks so unlike something that Lexus or Toyota would produce - which is good! It looks beautiful in its brutal functionality, if not conventionally beautiful. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><p>As for the front, it's pretty ugly. Too low-looking, and featureless on top and ugly on the lower bumper. It's like the front and back were designed by different people.<p>Oh yeah and get rid of those wheels. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>On the whole, an excellent shape; and I like geometric design, though the shoulder crease is a bit too sharply creased for my liking.<p>I'm not exactly sure where the engine is going to be; probably the front? Though there are air intakes for the rear area, the position of the cabin and seating would suggest little room in front of the rear axle, and Toyota wouldn't be so crazy as to produce a rear engined (vs. mid engined) car..<p>The rear vent and fan system is probably for radiators, with a front engine and rear mounted radiators - in a reverse of some other setups, where the radiators are at the front of mid engined cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
01-10-2005, 09:30 AM
Does anyone else see something wrong with that front end? The extremely low headlamps and bumper line? If this thing is to match current pedestrian safety standards I would expect a higher bumper line and headlights higher on the body (which means bigger airdams or at least a different layout). If previous Toyota concepts that have previewed production cars are anything to go by, something tells me that we are seeing a somewhat stylized version of what the final design is going to look like.

KebabGud
01-10-2005, 10:53 AM
new teknologi makes law useless :P<br>likk Bonnet airbags and stuff :P<p>i have started to Vandalise the pics to try to figure out where the engine is..<br>here is the result ...<p>The tailpipes ...<br>looks like the exhaust comes from the front of the car .. not strait up..<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/Rear.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(hint .. reflection)<p>Not only that.. but!<br>Notise that the Coupe is to far back fore there to me a engine there .. .. or is it a a rear mounted engine? (like the porsche 911 :P )<br>but in the front .. there is plenty of space<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/side.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>And do any of you see a engine thru the window?<br>i dont.. and why have a engine at the back .. if you not gonna show it?<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/rear_side.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>But thats not all!<br>Look at the space behint the seats..<br>thats to mutch for a Mid-rear mounted engine..<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/int.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>AND! notise that the Lexus logo at the front is black .. <br>(Ari intake for the engine? same as on the SLR)<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/front.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>for me .. its clear that its in the front .. there is just no room for a V8-V10 at the back...

Naga Royal Guard
01-10-2005, 01:23 PM
the LF-S also has the intake mesh on the ( large ) lexus L

spwolf
01-10-2005, 03:48 PM
I am 80% sure it will be mid engined, it has all of the important signs (cooling fans to take out engine heat at back? tiny bitty possible vents at front, huge amount of space for engine at back, no space at front, low hood compared with new EU pedestrian laws). And Toyota is one of the companies that has long history with mid-engined cars.<p>Here are some more of real pics that show it off better:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/DSCN1523.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/DSCN1524.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/DSCN1526.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/DSCN1527.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/DSCN1528.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/DSCN1533.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/lfa7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>It seems to have one-piece glass roof, doesnt it? Or am I seeing things...<br>You all heard my opinion before, but here it is again - it is beautiful design, a bit weird at times but all within its exotic style. Looks powerful but it very graceful way.<p>I love it.

Velocitas
01-10-2005, 05:55 PM
<br>Kebub, we are in agreement. Good breakdown on the pictures. Odd that none of the Lexus press releases mention the engine location, however. <br>

KebabGud
01-10-2005, 10:11 PM
spwolf: look at the space behind the seats .. there is just no room.. unless it a 4 cylinder :P<br>the fans in the back is for the radiators .. theres 2 of them ..<br>many racecars have the engine upp front and the radiators at the back .. <br>

taskbearer
01-11-2005, 12:17 AM
I think spwolf is right. This car is midengined, all those vents at the rear cannot be cosmetic since the design is all about simplicity. The space might look a little too small but the engine is definitely behind the driver. <p>The only question is whether the engine is transversal or longitudinal because the space between the seats and the rear axle looks very small. this question lexus would have to answer when they build the car, but I strongly believe its longitudinal so that it relates more with F1.

Naga Royal Guard
01-11-2005, 08:47 AM
if i recall without error, i read just moments ago that this is actually the 2006 Tundra being assembled in San Antonio Texas.....

syclone
01-11-2005, 09:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/lexus/lfa/images/lfa7.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Anyone else think the instrument panel looks like it came straight out of Halo?<p>I love the Rims.

Santeno
01-11-2005, 10:19 AM
Lovely dashboard design. I love the center console, simple and classy. Saddly the steep angle of it leads me to believe that it wil not see production in that form (definitely not with all the shiny pieces. Can you imagine what that steep angle would do to screen resolution on the center mounted computer? you wouldn't be able to see a thing due to reflection and light fade. I think that a production version will be based on this, but be more traditional in layout.

KebabGud
01-11-2005, 10:55 AM
"Although it is about five inches shorter in length than the Porsche 911 Turbo, its wheelbase is nine inches longer."<p>so .. i tokk a pic of the 911 and a pic of the LF-A and.. Wolla!<br>As you all can see (hopefully.. ) the rear weels ar at the same plase .. butt the LF-A has a shorter rear (off course) and the LF-A has its seats placed farther back...<br>THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A V8 (or bigger)<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/lf-a_911.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>And look at this area.. its realy flat .. then it sudenly swoops down...<br>Why? ENGINE PEOPLE! its right there!<br><IMG SRC="http://www.7p7.org/bil/lf-a/11.11.jpg" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-11-2005, 11:20 AM
lol, sorry bro.. But if you look an lets say F430, there is much more space in front than in LF-A, yet...<p>And I have an MR-S, you can fit an V6 into MR-S's signficinatly smaller engine bay which has much less room than concept PLUS it has soft top storage behind the seat :-).<p>Again, due to design of vents you can easily see that only way to power that car is from back. <p>Everything I know about mid-engined cars point out that this is an mid-engined car... Front will simply put few extra golf bags into the picture, feature missed in MR-S... And also, that front hood is SOOO low, it would be impossible to sell this car in Europe...

KebabGud
01-11-2005, 11:38 AM
What are you talking about?<br>alot of european cars ar lower that that car (BMWs and Mercs..)<br>this car has a V8 .. not a V6..<br>The vent at the back are the 2 radiators .. <br>meany track racers has the radiator at the back to optimise airflow and keep them away from the engine (also known as "the heat source")<br>this IS a "Front-midship" car

Naga Royal Guard
01-11-2005, 12:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Anyone else think the instrument panel looks like it came straight out of Halo?<p>I love the Rims.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i agree and I also believe this car has some sort of onboard cannon system judging from the image in the gauge cluster, maybe an automated M203 grenade launcher? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Velocitas
01-11-2005, 03:36 PM
<br>The battle lines are drawn! lol Kebub and myself are squarely in the front engine camp (ie. the CORRECT camp!) and spwolf and taskbearer lie in the mid-engine (ie. the INCORRECT camp). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If the official word on this doesn't come out during the media days, I will be at NAIAS and harass the Lexus people until I return with proof positive. This nonsense will end! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

spwolf
01-11-2005, 04:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What are you talking about?<br>alot of european cars ar lower that that car (BMWs and Mercs..)<br>this car has a V8 .. not a V6..<br>The vent at the back are the 2 radiators .. <br>meany track racers has the radiator at the back to optimise airflow and keep them away from the engine (also known as "the heat source")<br>this IS a "Front-midship" car </TD></TR></TABLE><p>radiators what? You think they are taking the air from BACK of the car to INSIDE of engine bay? Thats impossible and extremly not functional at speed since due to laws of aerodynamics there is no enough air there and you are moving away from it. They are there to take engine heat out of the engine bay before everything melts down.<p>Due to lack of natural air flow at back of the car thats the worst possible to take air in, not to say impossible. You can take air at sides (and you see 2 wents on each side), and under the car - which is also done for sure here. And you also need fans to take HOT air outside of engine bay because there is absolutly not enough airflow anywhere close to the engine bay to keep it warm. My tiny bitty 4cly engine heats up so much that you cant touch engine lid at back due to heat, and that was before turbo.<p>As to space at front - yes, it is extremly low - due to new EU pedestrian laws, there has to be an crumple/soft zone between engine and front hood for pedestrains to rest at, and this design makes it impossible to sell this car in europe from 2006 on (for new cars)...

knihc2008
01-11-2005, 05:06 PM
first of all, i am in the front-engine camp. though i can't understand all those extraneous vents. they must not be too important or functional, since the TXS prototype we saw on the ring had all these vents covered up; only the one on the top had any access to open air whatosever.<p>looking at the car, i think the car really just needs rear fender flares. without them, the car just looks flat and narrow.

Naga Royal Guard
01-11-2005, 05:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The battle lines are drawn! </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>muahahahaha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
01-11-2005, 08:35 PM
I am with the mid-engine camp; I think the lack of air intakes at the front explains something - I mean, just look at the M5, it needs considerable air to cool the engine and thats why there are large air intakes, and high performance engines like this V8 would need at least some decent sized air intakes to cool this engine, and if you look at the sides, there are air intakes at the sides - why would they do that if it was a front-engined car? For looks? I certainly hope not!

KebabGud
01-11-2005, 10:09 PM
First off .. <br>The radiators are at the back .. The guy made that clear when he talked about it ..<br>"Bla Bla bla .. The 2 fans at the rear is for the radiators bla bla bla" <br>why stress this point if it a midship?<br>and Why could anyone make a car with the engine lokated on topp of the rear axle?<br>there is a huge space behind the seats..<br>(im talking RX-7 sizes space behind the seats)<br>and since were talking about 4 cylinder <br>har you seen the celica?<br>2 tiny air intakes for the engine.. <br>(and one for the RADIATOR!)<br>or even better .. the mark4 Supra.. only a small inntake for the radiator..<br>ad that one had a HUGE engine and turbos (compared to the celica that is)<br><A HREF="http://www.allautoreviews.com/auto_reviews/toyota/photos/toyota-celica-2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">this is not a midship... is it?</A><p>in my world .. (lala land)<br>the lexus logo at the front is the air intake for the engine..<br>the inntake under the logo is for a small amount of "air cooling" (this engine is not air cooled.. (hint .. it has 2 (two) radiators))<p>oh and when it comes to the hight up front ..<br>ever heard of poop up hoods?<br>i know i have...<br>

Velocitas
01-11-2005, 10:21 PM
<br>No one has answered how you get to the engine if it's in the rear. No panel lines or cut lines appear on this concept. <p>And where is the bulkhead to seperate the passengers from the engine if it is in the rear? Also, why is there no vented engine cover if the engine is in the rear? Show me a mid engined car that does not vent the engine cover.<br>

Tman2
01-12-2005, 03:07 AM
Hey Spwolf,<p>Don't get mad at me my fellow Toyota guy, but, I think this will be front engined. Kebabgud's pics are just as I am imagining. There simply is not enough room for a V8 in back. I don't think a V6 would fit in the back. The only problem was if it was a FR architecture, was that there wasn't enough openings to feed a big V8 revving to 10,000rpm (redline may be less I think). But, in retrospect, the air intake on F1 cars isn't that large anyways, and I would think that a 3L v10 spinning at 19,000rmp is roughly equal to a 6L V6 spinning at 10,000rpm (let alone a sub-5L V8). The spyshots of the LF-A looked like it had a lot more opening for the engine to breathe.<br>By the way, I've owned an 87 MR2 and a 91 turbo back in the day, and the engine bay was tight with a turbo, and minus the rad. And the LF-A is approximately the size of a Porsche 911, so unless this V8 is amazingly compact, I'd be quite surprised if it turned out to be mid-engined.<br>Based on history, even though Toyota has a lot of mid-engine expertise, Toyota's flagship sportscars have always been FR. The 2000GT and the Supra. The LF-A has the classic FR sportscar silhouette.<br>Off topic here, but is the LF-A warming up to you guys yet? The headlights should be black for a meaner look. Close your eyes, imagine it in red, negotiating a high-speed corner, supsension getting a workout... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> I am loving this car.

spwolf
01-12-2005, 09:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And where is the bulkhead to seperate the passengers from the engine if it is in the rear? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont know what bulkhead are you talking about? what exactly do you think is between engine and passanger cabin? Stil cage, firewall and thats it... same as front engine. As to the fitting an engine over the axle, what else you think happens? Parts of the engine are after the axle, parts are over the axle and smaller parts are behind the axle. If MR-S can fit an V6 engine in its tiny engine bay, and this car has an engine bay thats probably 2x bigger than what I have in MR-S.<p>If you think you can cool an V8 in such tight space with small opening on the nose, then good for you! It is much harder to cool it at back of the car, but then again, at the back you have many different vents, fans and probably an air intake under the engine as well.<p>I listened the conference and who knows really... He mentioned several times that packaging is different, new and innovative... <p>As to pop out hoods, it makes no difference... From 2006 onwards every new car sold in Europe as new model will have to have an soft zone between engine and hood of pre-determined height. There is no possibility of soft zone here - heck they are using only 19" wheels an there is so little space between wheels and hood. This will be an big problem for car manufacturers since they will have o design sport cars differently (and this will indfluence them the most since they are usually the ones with low nose/hood), for rest of the cars they can simply package them better at front.

Santeno
01-12-2005, 10:08 AM
Hey guys, Hasn't toyota been talking about their sportscar being a hybrid (or at least offering a hybrid version of it). I wouldn't put it past them to use to power plants. One gas driven to power up a strong electric motor. You could easily stuff a smaller gas engine in the front (a high displacement 6 maybe) and a large electric in the back, without the need for the massive rear ventilation that you need for a rear or mid mounted IC engine.<p>Just fan musings on my part, But I thought I'd just put that out there. I'm on the Front Engine camp as well, But I believe that we are not seeing the actual front end design of the vehicle.

Naga Royal Guard
01-12-2005, 11:38 AM
anyone seen this in real life yet? im guessing front engine myself, but id love to see it be mid instead

KebabGud
01-12-2005, 01:36 PM
Ladys .. and spwolf..<br>i have pics that confirm that there is NO engine bihind the seats ..<br>yes .. these are pictures taken by people at the unvailing...thingy<p>First .. that wall is to far back...<br><IMG SRC="http://shows.dealerrater.com/gallery/2005-detroit-auto-lg/IMG_2370.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>second.. What is that? is that the engine? NO.. it is not<br><IMG SRC="http://shows.dealerrater.com/gallery/2005-detroit-auto-lg/_CJG5681.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Third.. Is that "grill" removable? <br>maby it automaticly moves out of the way if the engine gets to hot.. (like on the AE86 Levin..) <br><IMG SRC="http://shows.dealerrater.com/gallery/2005-detroit-auto-lg/_CJG5679.JPG" BORDER="0"><br> <br>Fourth.. Is that logo like on the SLR ?.. looks like there is somthing "inside" the logo.. <br><IMG SRC="http://shows.dealerrater.com/gallery/2005-detroit-auto-lg/IMG_2373.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Im sorry for using them a the source.. you can all se where there from..<br>Im am the gratest! (i hope :P )<p>

Naga Royal Guard
01-12-2005, 01:50 PM
i really doubt theres an effective way to move that grill cover w/o destroying aero ( This thing is said to do 200 mph, so it could get torn off ) but its definately a suspicious piece; it might go underwater too

The Water Is Poison
01-12-2005, 02:55 PM
This thing is starting to grow on me... especialy the front.

KebabGud
01-12-2005, 03:13 PM
yeee. me to .. <br>the front lights really throws off the whole front..<br>

Naga Royal Guard
01-12-2005, 04:50 PM
me too ( finally) its not as hot as the GS or LF-S but its fine

spwolf
01-12-2005, 05:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey guys, Hasn't toyota been talking about their sportscar being a hybrid (or at least offering a hybrid version of it). I wouldn't put it past them to use to power plants. One gas driven to power up a strong electric motor. You could easily stuff a smaller gas engine in the front (a high displacement 6 maybe) and a large electric in the back, without the need for the massive rear ventilation that you need for a rear or mid mounted IC engine.<p>Just fan musings on my part, But I thought I'd just put that out there. I'm on the Front Engine camp as well, But I believe that we are not seeing the actual front end design of the vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont think they are that sure themselves either :-)... However, due to battery pack limitations I dont think hybrids would be all that of an high-end sports car, because on the track you will end up with low batteries early on... For now.<p>I am pretty sure this car will be built in one way or another - after all the track testing and development that was done so far, I dont think they are too far from production.<br>

ciwai
01-12-2005, 05:36 PM
Hi. Long time observer first time poster here. <p>Put me in the front engine/rear cooled camp. Proportions all say front engine-notably cowl to front axle dimension. (Check out the overlay of the 911, how much further the front wheels are on the LF-A) Most mid engined cars, including toyota's recent volta have had the front doors butted up against the wheel wells. Exception is the Lamborghini miura, but it could get away with it due to the transverse engine mounting. Interestingly the MR-S as has been referenced here also has a transverse mounting. But its quite unlikely that toyota would do such an arrangement on the LF-A...power takeoff for one point. <p>Confusing aspect is the air intake, which should be paramount on a high hp supercar. The lower inlets I suspect are for brake ducting and underbody aero purposes. Most likely this isn't final trim on the exterior. Also possible that the front panel could be a flap to allow more airflow to engine, a la movable inlets on the murcielago.

Velocitas
01-13-2005, 01:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeee. me to .. <br>the front lights really throws off the whole front..<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You know...those lights are lifted right off of the Veyron. I can't stand them on that car either. :)<p>Otherwise, I am also starting to like this car a lot. Nice work on finding those pics, Kebub. The mid engine theory is pretty much put to rest at this point. It's unfortunate, because I agree that would seem more "exotic".<p>Now, for the big question -- what is the price on this little toy going to be? My Supra could use a garage mate. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> Something tells me that the entry fee is going to be a little steep for my blood, though. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

KebabGud
01-13-2005, 08:59 AM
that dude from lexus mad a statment that the car (if made) is going to me made from exotic new materials .. and it will have the mot cutting edge teknologi...<br>i bett this is a SLR competitor .. (i hope :P)

Santeno
01-13-2005, 10:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think they are that sure themselves either :-)... However, due to battery pack limitations I dont think hybrids would be all that of an high-end sports car, because on the track you will end up with low batteries early on... For now.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Interesting point. I've always wondered how heavy a role do batteries play in different Hybrid configurations. is it a major heavy battery pack used todrive the wheels until the engine gets up to speed? Is it a major component of the drive engine? is it just a small back up? I always picture hybryd engines much in the way in which many ships use them. A relatively small engine driving a generator, which in turn produces the driving power for an electric motor which produces the actual driving power<br>for the wheels. Sorry to take things off-topic. I'm just interested in what toyota might have up it's sleeve.

Dal
01-13-2005, 04:23 PM
didnt bother reading whole thread to see if this has been said already but, i think it looks like a gallardo from the rear

KaRaceR
01-17-2005, 07:30 AM
looks very different front is nice back is a bit dodgy though

hollc004
01-18-2005, 08:58 AM
Probably an easy xplination but why does it say all new range rover sport under the pic ???

KebabGud
01-18-2005, 09:02 AM
Advertisment ..<br>the pics are from a crappy site...

Velocitas
01-24-2005, 12:17 AM
<br>In case anyone cares, I confirmed the following information from the Lexus rep at NAIAS:<p>- FRONT ENGINE, so we can end that debate<br>- Rear mounted radiators<br>- They intend to make a "similar" car within two years<br>- Said car will be priced around 125k and aimed at the 911 Turbo as a a competitor<br>- No mention of it being a hybrid<br>- No word at all on any Toyota "Supra replacement" or any other lower-priced Toyota sports car<p>For what it's worth, this car looks MUCH MUCH better in person. <br>

Top Secret
01-24-2005, 01:59 AM
The 911 Turbo? HA! As if the LF-A has a chance.

KebabGud
01-24-2005, 08:56 AM
the 911 turbo is overated as hell<br>i think they are aming to low

Naga Royal Guard
01-24-2005, 10:37 AM
<A HREF="http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=46933" TARGET="_blank">http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=46933</A><p><br>the car was designed in italy by............ you guessed it!.. an Italian<p>bodywork was done in turin, testing in nurburgring

spwolf
01-24-2005, 05:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=46933" TARGET="_blank">http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=46933</A><p><br>the car was designed in italy by............ you guessed it!.. an Italian<p>bodywork was done in turin, testing in nurburgring</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Some of the main Toyota designers in Toyota's European design studio are Italians... Although I very much doubt that some independant designer has an design studio for building road-testing versions of cars...<p>Toyota has design studios around the world, and ED2 in Europe has designed a lot of recent Toyota vehicles...

Top Secret
01-25-2005, 05:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 911 turbo is overated as hell<br>i think they are aming to low</TD></TR></TABLE><p>WTF?! So you think the LF-A would smash the 911 Turbo and provide credible competition to cars such as the Zonda and the Enzo? You are overrating the LF-A.

Naga Royal Guard
01-25-2005, 08:00 AM
thats right, its also going to KILL the Land Cruiser's sales

KebabGud
01-25-2005, 09:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>WTF?! So you think the LF-A would smash the 911 Turbo and provide credible competition to cars such as the Zonda and the Enzo? You are overrating the LF-A.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The 911 turbo is one of the most overrated cars ever made (next to the Honda civic... its not a f.. sportscar!!)<br>if they want the "LF-A" to compet with the turbo .. fine. but this is suposed to de there "F1 Baby".. look at the others "F1 baby". Mercedes SLR.. it blitzes the 911 turbo... Ferrari Enzo.... it kills the SLR.. BMW M5 .. its a sedan so it does not count..<br>all these cars are the best of the brat .. "F1 Babys" are the hyper-hypercars.. the 911 turbo is a little sportscar.. the "LF-A" is a "F1 baby" but if what you sa is true... then its only a sportscar.. nothing more

Velocitas
01-26-2005, 04:10 PM
<br>With more power, the possibility of a V10 and a 200+ mph top speed, it will have performance to spare over the Porsche. Toyota build quality is also superior, and the handling dynamics are going to be much more "normal" than the Porsche.<p>The only thing the 911 will have over the LF-A is brand appeal, ie. panty-dropping effect, which becomes a major consideration at that price level. Even then, the Lexus brand in the United States has become nearly equivalent in terms of cachet with a number of European brands. In Europe, however, Lexus does lag behind in terms of sales and perception.<p>More than likely, this car will do well in the Japanese and Asian markets, have a very modest amount of North American sales (we're not so hot on $100k+ sports cars in general, and the Viper, Z06 and Ford GT are all widely recognized already and will present a better bang-for-buck argument) and probably do dismally in Europe.<p>This car is going to need a lot of hype to move, and Toyota's long-standing corporate policy of keeping things under wraps won't help them at all. They need to be more like the US makers and hype the thing from concept to production. I mean, how long have we been seeing Ford GT prototypes and reading test articles on it?<br>

KebabGud
01-26-2005, 04:17 PM
i just want to say that performance wise .. the 911 turbo is great .. thats not what i dont like..<br>its just the fact that the 911 in general is a daddys boy/girl / New money / midlife crisis car..<br>

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 04:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ie. panty-dropping effect</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ah, but thats just mean to the panty droppers aint it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-26-2005, 05:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 911 turbo is one of the most overrated cars ever made (next to the Honda civic... its not a f.. sportscar!!)<br>if they want the "LF-A" to compet with the turbo .. fine. but this is suposed to de there "F1 Baby".. look at the others "F1 baby". Mercedes SLR.. it blitzes the 911 turbo... Ferrari Enzo.... it kills the SLR.. BMW M5 .. its a sedan so it does not count..<br>all these cars are the best of the brat .. "F1 Babys" are the hyper-hypercars.. the 911 turbo is a little sportscar.. the "LF-A" is a "F1 baby" but if what you sa is true... then its only a sportscar.. nothing more</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're comparing the wrong car. Porsche's F1 baby is the Carrera GT, which would make the Lexus look like a painty-waisted wuss.

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 05:16 PM
<br>any you can make that statement based on what evidence/information/sources/insight/Experience ?<br>

JBlair
01-26-2005, 05:22 PM
The same wonderful 'wisdom' as top secret and kebabgud posted.

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 05:28 PM
well, now that its settled, have we figured out where the engine is located?

Velocitas
01-26-2005, 10:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, now that its settled, have we figured out where the engine is located?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>haha Yes! The front. We resolved that already, Naga. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 10:38 PM
ah yes indeed :) lol

KebabGud
01-27-2005, 12:42 PM
last time i checked.. Porsche wasn in F1 ...<br>i dont really think you got the point

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2005, 01:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>i dont really think you got the point </TD></TR></TABLE><p>reocurring problem <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">last time i checked.. Porsche wasn in F1 ...<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're comparing the wrong car. <b>Porsche's F1 baby</b> is the Carrera GT, which would make the Lexus look like a painty-waisted wuss.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>behold the beauty of saying too much - <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
10-12-2005, 07:52 PM
Lexus LF-A: Tokyo Auto Show - New V10 Engine Info Announced:<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=107560" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07560</A>

Naga Royal Guard
10-13-2005, 05:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're comparing the wrong car. <b>Porsche's F1 baby</b> is the Carrera GT, which would make the Lexus look like a painty-waisted wuss.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>very good, Porsche F1 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

SELLER
10-13-2005, 03:06 PM
Awesome, V10 LF-A up against the V10 NSX.. cant wait.<p>Mid-engine in the NSX will forever make it more exotic in my eyes though.

KebabGud
10-13-2005, 09:44 PM
the MR-2/MR-S is mid engine... does that make it more exotic then a supra? <p>a little bit...

mzoltarp
10-15-2005, 07:58 AM
Side and tail are sublime in their simplicity. The nose looks like it crashed into something and is oddly overstyled for the tone of the rest of the car. A nose more evocative of the 2000GT might have been the ticket.

KebabGud
10-15-2005, 10:41 AM
this is after all the sucsessor to the 2000GT .. <br>

spwolf
10-17-2005, 06:20 PM
actually, all expensive cars sell the best in the USA. And lexus's sell the best in the USA. So put those two together and you get LF-A with main market the USA.

taskbearer
10-18-2005, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=46933" TARGET="_blank">http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=46933</A><p><br>the car was designed in italy by............ you guessed it!.. an Italian<p>bodywork was done in turin, testing in nurburgring</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Yes it was designed by an italian, but not just any italian.......The person in question is Leonardo Fioravanti. The man responsible for 8 of the historically beautiful ferraris during his days with pininfarina. He has the 308gtb and daytona under his belt. <p>There are also rumors that he is responsible for the handsome looking IS as well. LF-A is shocking to look at and has succeeded in creating arguements on where the engine is. The layout was decided by engineers, but Leonardo did a wonderful job clothing the stuff up.

KebabGud
10-18-2005, 02:18 PM
yeah .. ohh and for all of you that still dont know .. the engine is in the front.. and is a V10 ..<br>(ok.. Front-mid.. )

Naga Royal Guard
10-20-2005, 07:43 AM
has the LF-A been updated for Tokyo?

haji
10-20-2005, 08:39 AM
you can listen to the engine sound of the LF-A<p><A HREF="http://lexus.jp/ms" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp/ms</A>/<p>after entering the site, choose "MOVIE" from the top menu<p>the noise of the LF-A sounds like a ...<p>well, you find it out.

KebabGud
10-20-2005, 10:04 AM
its more like a F1 car then a M5 (also a 500+Hp 5liter V10 :P)

Petrol Head
10-20-2005, 10:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Yes it was designed by an italian, but not just any italian.......The person in question is Leonardo Fioravanti. The man responsible for 8 of the historically beautiful ferraris during his days with pininfarina. He has the 308gtb and daytona under his belt. <p>There are also rumors that he is responsible for the handsome looking IS as well. LF-A is shocking to look at and has succeeded in creating arguements on where the engine is. The layout was decided by engineers, but Leonardo did a wonderful job clothing the stuff up. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe that the claim of a private designer being allowed to design a complete car for such a large company is not really true. The LF-A was penned at Lexus' new Japanese design studio. Sure the studio may have had other design house's influence but the finished cars are the product of the Lexus studio. Besides the whole idea behind L-finesse is that it is based on the principles of traditional Japanese art (simplistic elegance and all that), which do not really concur to a different Italian style. Maybe this was a claim be the Italians as they are upset that all their cars are being designed by Japanese artists. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

SELLER
10-20-2005, 11:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>haji</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can listen to the engine sound of the LF-A<p><A HREF="http://lexus.jp/ms" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp/ms</A>/<p>after entering the site, choose "MOVIE" from the top menu<p>the noise of the LF-A sounds like a ...<p>well, you find it out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>SO awesome.

haji
11-07-2005, 08:34 PM
furthermore, they're even testing the LF-A convertible.<br>with that engine and the noise, this car would be astonishing.<br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/L/lexus/lfa-spider.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/g....html</A>

against the wall
11-07-2005, 08:46 PM
that is one weird movie. weird but cool. i still cant get over how fake the headlights look. they look like stickers.