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carmaniac
05-23-2005, 07:17 AM
From response.jp:<p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0523/article70912_1.images/87444.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Translation from <A HREF="http://babelfish.altavista.com" TARGET="_blank">http://babelfish.altavista.com</A>/:<p><br>As for the Mitsubishi automobile on the 23rd, the new model SUV which is thrown to this fall ' OUTLANDER (AEg_[) ', in addition, next year for the first time it decided that new model lightly the automobile is designated ' i (eye) ' with. Car name OUTLANDER of new model SUV (AEg_[), including the thinking, "venture person who far faces to the area where it becomes unknown", it is used as worldwide standardized name. "There is no former SUV, X|[eB style and flexible the next generation SUV who unites the utility" is designated as keyword of development, development is being advanced the new development engine and the new development platform which raises safety (in the future adoption), ' run sir evolution ' with the body and the underside which poured the technology which is cultivated as a selling point in the consecutive other car. AEg_[ ' GAgbN ' is the North American name, but current GAgbN compared to one it turns new model AEg_[ and may become large. On the one hand, new model it is light car name i of the automobile (the eye), "I (myself)" in the sense that "" you express by this car "by your and personality" ". In addition, "innovation (reformation)" taking initial "i" from the fact that "it is the progressive car which is directed to new age," you adopt as car name. Lightly in the automatic frame, it has made the car which is compatible safety and habitability to the maximum with the adoption of rear midship layout of the engine which becomes the same company first.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0523/article70912_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://response.jp/issue/2005/....html</A>

carmaniac
05-23-2005, 07:40 AM
From JapaneseCarFans.com:<p><A HREF="http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050523.004" TARGET="_blank">http://www.japanesecarfans.com...3.004</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Outlander<p> <p>The new SUV's Outlander moniker evokes an image of an adventurer heading at speed for unknown lands. The name Outlander will be the standardized model name in all global markets.<p> <p>The new Outlander has been developed as the "next generation SUV which combines a flexible utility with the sporty style."<p> <p>Outlander is distinguished by the following main features:<p> New 2.4-liter engine with aluminum cylinder block.<p> New platform with high crash safety.<p> New Body and chassis that have technologies grown by the Lancer Evolution models.<p> <p>Outlander sits on a newly developed platform, which Mitsubishi Motors plans to phase in on its C-segment models.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>

knicks125
05-23-2005, 08:10 AM
Overall, looks really good; I espeically like the front, very agressive styling IMO.<p>However, what is that thing above the left light, is that supposed to be there?

Superfresa
05-23-2005, 09:02 AM
I hope this time they get the Outlander right...<p>The thing above the left light, I'm guessin you're talking about the front fender mirror. That's where mirrors should really be (No blind spot, more visibility in bad weather and doesn't stick out so much). It seems to be that it's common for cars in Japan to use it, but not in many other places.

anonms
05-23-2005, 03:53 PM
The side window shape looks like what I'd expect of the RAV4...

Santeno
05-24-2005, 07:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, what is that thing above the left light, is that supposed to be there?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Japan used to require RVM's to be placed there (look up pictures of old Japanese cars and you'll see). They no longer do, however those type of RVM's remain popular options.

nissanjunkie
05-24-2005, 08:20 AM
looking at it from the side it looks alot like the current pontiac vibe if you ignore the nose of the the car. Overall nice proportions and it would slot in nicely with mitsubishis lineup over here in canada<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Bern
05-24-2005, 08:23 AM
Interesting to see what the Peugeot and Citroen version of the Outlander will look like...

evomk8
05-24-2005, 12:51 PM
Though I like the design, I feel Mitsu could have been a bit more innovative... this resembles a bit too much to theVW Touareg IMHO...<br>When this comes to the U.S. as a 2007 model, we will likely see a new 3.0l V6 (not the old 6G72 seen in the previous generation Galant/Eclipse) featuring MIVEC.<br>The Japanese version will bow at the Tokyo Motorshow at the latest.

nismo
05-24-2005, 01:32 PM
This should do well. I'm actually glad Mitsu didn't use their over the top styling on this. Design your cars sporty yet market friendly til you build the brand back up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The engines will be good: new 2.4l 4cyl 160-170hp... and rumoured V6<p>evomk8, where did you hear about the new V6? do you have any more info on it? mitsu should use this new V6 if its real because the gas mileage on the 3.8l isn't too good.

geary
05-24-2005, 02:55 PM
Me too, looks good. What I'm please about is the clarity in the lines. Maybe we'll see these traits come through with the P4?? Magna replacement.

evomk8
05-24-2005, 03:37 PM
Though not the most reliable source, Edmunds indicated that a V6 will be available for the U.S. version of the Outlander 7-seater model.<br>This can be somewhat corroborated by the Mitsu revival plan that calls for "new" compact V6 engines to enter production in 2006, just in time for the U.S. launch of the new model...<br>If you want I'll dig up the Mitsubishi PDF file I'm referring to.

nismo
05-24-2005, 05:44 PM
Thats good news because the 3.8l is an old engine and I was hoping they would develop more modern efficient V6.<p>I wonder if the New Lancer will be released around the same time?

anonms
05-24-2005, 06:37 PM
The more I look at it, the more it looks like a Corolla Verso with a front-end that resembles one of Suzuki's SUV concepts (X-1 or something like that).

evomk8
05-25-2005, 02:52 PM
I found the Mitsubishi PDF file that makes reference to the new compact V6 engines.<br>Go to page 36 and don't miss the little foot-note.<p><A HREF="http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/contents/newsrelease/en/results2003e-2/ppt.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://media.mitsubishi-motors...t.pdf</A>

syclone
05-25-2005, 06:53 PM
The V6 should help. The current outlander has been panned in every review of it I've read for being grossly underpowered.

-Peter-
05-27-2005, 01:02 AM
I cant say if this looks agressive or bland. It looks good, but why there isnt that new Mitsu-grill anymore, they just introduced it in the Colt and Lancer and Grandis has it too. Maybe its still coming to europe <p>Now new outlander dont get it and Facelifted Grandis had lost the grill that make it look different <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

jahc24
08-07-2005, 08:02 PM
More info: <A HREF="http://www.outlander.jp/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.outlander.jp/</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?image=special/2005_0805/news/200508/05/agt02/02_b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?image=special/2005_0805/news/200508/05/agt02/03_b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?image=special/2005_0805/news/200508/05/agt02/04_b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?image=special/2005_0805/news/200508/05/agt02/06_b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?image=special/2005_0805/news/200508/05/agt02/05_b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0806/article73199_1.images/91195.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://outlander.jp/img/logo_outlander.jpg" BORDER="0">

piokor
08-07-2005, 08:47 PM
Does anyone know if this is just a heavily updated version of the current outlander? The front doors look similar for some reason...<p><br>Also, no pics of the rear <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
08-07-2005, 11:00 PM
I think at this stage i love the current one better than the new one because of it's looks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Swallow Doretti
08-07-2005, 11:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone know if this is just a heavily updated version of the current outlander? The front doors look similar for some reason...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No--the new platform is supposedly just that--all new.<p>So, what happened to Mitsubishi's corporate nose?

AM2
08-08-2005, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bgluckman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No--the new platform is supposedly just that--all new.<p>So, what happened to Mitsubishi's corporate nose?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>New facelifted Mitsubishis mostly JDM models are losing their "Bouley designed" noses... one of the 1st exported Mitsubishi models I noticed that didn't have the corporate nose was the Lancer Evo IX.<br>I heard Olivier Bouley isn't with Mitsubishi anymore? Any Connection? Hmmm....<p>Some other new Mitsubishis without the "Bouley designed" corporate nose.<br><IMG SRC="http://ls.hk.yimg.com/hk/providers/sun_lifestyle/20050317/20050317_car_01_1-s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://max-tob.front.ru/02-03-05-02.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/contents/newsrelease/200505231281/2005052312812.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The Mitsubishi Airtrek (Outlander's JDM sibling) never had it from day one when it was launched in 2001 as a 2002 model.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/732/802/norm_10_24V-S_Japan.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Looks like Japan is the 1st country to get rid of the "Bouley designed" corporate nose.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 11:04 PM 8/8/2005</i>

evomk8
08-08-2005, 08:51 AM
I'm actually glad that the Boulay hook nose has gone the way of the dodo... With the exception of the Colt and the Grandis, IMHO, the Boulay grille just didn't work.<br>I like the look of the new Outlander. It may not be as unique and in-your-face as the current version, but IMO it has a more aggressive and upscale look.

nismo
08-08-2005, 09:49 PM
This looks good. Agree about the old nose, I didn't like that too much. Mitsu needs to get this to the market, it should do alright. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

cheongyei
08-09-2005, 09:11 PM
I think Suzuki did a MUCH better job with the new 2006 Escudo / Vitara. The odd angled C-pillar is a styling blunder; there is not one vehicle which uses that type of angle in back that looks nice. The Vibe, the Murano, even the Mazda 3 hatchback all look awkward with that rear quarter gimmick.

JBlair
08-09-2005, 10:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cheongyei</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Suzuki did a MUCH better job with the new 2006 Escudo / Vitara. The odd angled C-pillar is a styling blunder; there is not one vehicle which uses that type of angle in back that looks nice. The Vibe, the Murano, even the Mazda 3 hatchback all look awkward with that rear quarter gimmick.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I would disagree about the angled side window (its a D pillar, by the way, not the C pillar). I think it adds some flair to a part of the vehicle which is usually overlooked completely. In most cases, if the rest of the car has an outgoing design, it works better than on other vehicles that don't.

evomk8
08-10-2005, 08:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cheongyei</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Suzuki did a MUCH better job with the new 2006 Escudo / Vitara. The odd angled C-pillar is a styling blunder; there is not one vehicle which uses that type of angle in back that looks nice. The Vibe, the Murano, even the Mazda 3 hatchback all look awkward with that rear quarter gimmick.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Though I like the new Escudo/Vitara, IMHO it is more traditional and conventional in design than the new Outlander. I feel Mitsu did a good job with this design, though I do think the front looks a little too VW-ish... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Da Truth
08-10-2005, 05:11 PM
I liked it in the first sketches better than the pics in person. I thought I read somewhere that a 3rd row seat will be an option

Hornbag
08-11-2005, 06:07 AM
I was actually a huge fan of the Bouley nose...i mean, i loved it! Added flair to the designs. <p>

evomk8
08-11-2005, 09:13 AM
I always felt that the split grille "cheapened" the look of the car... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>It also made the cars look like a Pontiac (my apologies to fans of Pontiac), which I did not particularily like. <br>As mentioned earlier, the look worked for the COLT and Grandis... and I guess for the current Outlander too... <p>Off Topic side note: I do really like the look of the Solistice

AM2
08-11-2005, 11:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I always felt that the split grille "cheapened" the look of the car... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>It also made the cars look like a Pontiac (my apologies to fans of Pontiac), </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Boulay grill reminds me of a Renault... (my apologies to fans of Renault)... <br><IMG SRC="http://www.miseauto.com/images/voitures/enchere-renault-clio-dci-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

evomk8
08-11-2005, 12:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The Boulay grill reminds me of a Renault... (my apologies to fans of Renault)... <br><IMG SRC="http://www.miseauto.com/images/voitures/enchere-renault-clio-dci-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Jaa, for sure... (further apologies to fans of Renault and Nissan) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Spy Guy
08-14-2005, 10:43 PM
And heres a spy shot on TCC.<p> <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9970_TIJJTIOOBYOGZ.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...Z.jpg</A> <p>Why do they still put camouflage on that thing? And they hide it like it is one of their biggest secrets! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
08-14-2005, 10:55 PM
Gee. I wonder why Toyota's still camo-ing the Camry and Honda's still camo-ing the Civic. I wonder why...

against the wall
08-15-2005, 09:56 AM
anonms i think hes talking about how the outlander is still camoed cuz it was already unveiled. the camry and civic havent been. plus, those latest spyshots of the civic only had camo on the badges and nothing else.

anonms
08-15-2005, 12:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bonzos montreaux</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anonms i think hes talking about how the outlander is still camoed cuz it was already unveiled. the camry and civic havent been. plus, those latest spyshots of the civic only had camo on the badges and nothing else.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Outlander hasn't been unveiled in the US..............

against the wall
08-15-2005, 12:40 PM
but the car itself was.

nismo
08-15-2005, 06:08 PM
I guess it because the average Joe hasn't seen any of these cars nor do they know these models are being replaced.

knicks125
09-15-2005, 07:13 PM
I know this is the new car thread, but just came across this link with some spy shots of the next outlander. The pictures looked to be familiar (old) but the article was dated today <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107243" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07243</A>

Andre
09-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Reverse spy video of the Outlander...<p><A HREF="http://media.putfile.com/Brenda" TARGET="_blank">http://media.putfile.com/Brenda</A>

AM2
09-15-2005, 11:06 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/news/200508/21/newcar01/02_b.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>-auto-g

PG
09-16-2005, 09:15 PM
Nice find of the rear. The design looks good overall and should do well in the US...although Mitsu's taking a safer route this time with their design..it's not bland as the Highlander.

Nodnarb
09-16-2005, 09:44 PM
They really like the Lexus RX for the backend. This looks like the RX330, IMO, and the current one looks like the facelifted RX300.

CosworthKid
09-17-2005, 01:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They really like the Lexus RX for the backend. This looks like the RX330, IMO, and the current one looks like the facelifted RX300.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes i agree with you man. This just looks like its past generation or current gen waiting to be replaced. After hearing that the new Pajero/Shogun would look a lot like the Paris-Dakar rally car, i was really expecting something equally stunning and brave for this one. Guess not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
09-29-2005, 03:13 AM
here's a big pic of the side view...<br><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0929/article74773_1.images/95187.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>-response.jp

evomk8
09-29-2005, 06:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yes i agree with you man. This just looks like its past generation or current gen waiting to be replaced. After hearing that the new Pajero/Shogun would look a lot like the Paris-Dakar rally car, i was really expecting something equally stunning and brave for this one. Guess not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Though I agree that the overall shape of the tailights resemble the RX330, if you look carefully, the design is noticeably different. Mitsubishi is using LED's (top 2 thirds of the housing) as well as traditional reflector type lights (not circular like on the RX).

SV
09-29-2005, 06:57 PM
overall, i think this is a very accomplished, well-rounded design that should sell well in the USDM. if the interior quality is up to toyota/honda standard, i'd consider buying one if i were in the market (and if i could drive and had enough money) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

trad325
09-29-2005, 08:04 PM
why there is no any interior shot? ?<p> It isn't ready yet, or just tried to play hard to get?<p>

AM2
09-29-2005, 11:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>trad325</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why there is no any interior shot? ?<p> It isn't ready yet, or just tried to play hard to get?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Here are some interior shots from auto-g.jp<br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/news/200508/21/newcar01/03_b.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/news/200508/21/newcar01/05_b.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-g.jp/news/200508/21/newcar01/06_b.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

knihc2008
09-30-2005, 01:27 AM
looks like mitsu interior quality is going in the right direction. this looks bland, but nice, inoffensive. well done, i'd say.<p>though, i did like the boulay nose. now they just have a regular, boring nose. at least they had something that looks reasonably different.

nstreet16
09-30-2005, 12:35 PM
the design is actually nice over... for some reason , when i see the front, i have a feeling of Land Rover... dunno why but i do. The black one on the first page is pretty nice... where the grill is changed to chrome and the logo is removed. If gas wasnt so bad, i would get that. The rear has to grow on me.

DrPetrus
09-30-2005, 03:20 PM
From <A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car</A>, a clearer picture of the back:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/M/mitsubishi/outlander/03-large/05-outlander-r3q.jpg" BORDER="0">

SV
09-30-2005, 03:26 PM
looks good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> it had to grow on me some, but i like the rear end now. they did a good job on the interior too, i think; although it has a sort-of suzuki swift feel to it

PG
09-30-2005, 11:12 PM
The interior looks really nice and upscale...Well done Mitsubishi. The boulay nose really looks nice on the current Outlander. Infact, I really like the current Outlander. Looks different from the rest..but I think Mitsu thought that it is better to take a safer approach with thier design in a situation where they have to survive..

nismo
10-02-2005, 12:18 PM
I really like how this turning out. The Interior is clean and sharp looking, with what seems to be decent quality. If Mitsu can get the new 4cyl and 6cyl released at the same time, done right, and priced right this will do good for them. <p>I actually like this more than the new RAV4... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
10-02-2005, 01:17 PM
Interior looks to be nicely done. My first thought was Mazda3 when I saw the radio head unit, but that's not a bad thing. The 4WD selector placement makes it appear to be an I-Drive like knob, even though it is obviously not.

trad325
10-03-2005, 12:04 AM
IT LOOKS GREAT, THANKS...<p>but when you look at the layout of the central fascia, do you see a bit of lexus RX in it ? <br>However, it looks good, I have to give him that. Just lack of originality that's all.

evomk8
10-04-2005, 11:27 AM
Mitsubishi's dedicated mini-site <A HREF="http://www.outlander.jp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.outlander.jp</A> now features two videos of driving impressions.<br>Once you're in the flash site, click on "Impression" and then chose one of the two videos. The first talks about acceleration, the second about cornering.<br>The guy puts the car through some nice, tight corners at a pretty decent speed. Poise and body roll look good and seems to indicate sporty handling, especially considering this is a cross-over wagon/SUV. Check it out.<br>I, personally, am starting to like this car more and more.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by evomk8 at 1:19 PM 10/4/2005</i>

kilibre
10-17-2005, 07:41 AM
Hi<p>here it is the new Mitsubishi Outlander.<p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=254" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=254</A><p>Bye!<p>Emiliano

djDaemon
10-17-2005, 08:43 AM
What is that growth on the DS fender?

AM2
10-17-2005, 09:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>djDaemon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is that growth on the DS fender?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>deja vu? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thats a fender mounted rear view mirror (baby mirror) common option in Japan, I guess it helps when they maneuver in tight streets.<p>Here is the existing thread on the New Outlander: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=15315&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=1</A>

AM2
10-17-2005, 12:55 PM
More photos from Mitsubishi Japan:<br>Not much of a 7-seater....<br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/utility/images/uti01_ph01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/concept/images/ph03.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/utility/images/util_ph01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/utility/images/util_ph05.jpg" BORDER="0">

carmaniac
10-17-2005, 03:11 PM
here's some pics of it in Gray:<p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/1018/article75356_1.images/96469.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/1018/article75356_1.images/96471.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/1018/article75356_1.images/96472.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: Response.jp

SV
10-17-2005, 03:46 PM
i think mitsubishi did a great job on this. very attractive styling inside and out. if this doesn't sell well, it isn't the car's fault <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Blackraven
10-18-2005, 10:01 AM
The features on this thing are amazing.<p>HID-Xenon headlamps (standard)<br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>HID-Xenon foglamps<br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph12.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Mitsubishi ETACS system <br><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph05.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph08.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cdn.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/equipment/images/equ03_ph09.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Truly amazing. <p>Souce: Mitsubishi Japan's New Outlander site

evomk8
10-18-2005, 11:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More photos from Mitsubishi Japan:<br>Not much of a 7-seater....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>It was not intended to be a full-time 7-seater, it is an"occasional-use" 7-seater... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Per Mitsubishi's corporate website...

thainogkok
10-19-2005, 07:36 AM
It's a shame there's no 4low gears.

nismo
10-19-2005, 11:35 AM
I love this truck. My parents want to buy one already. Mitsu has out done themselves IMO. Can't wait to see some engine specs since theres going to be both the new 2.4l 4cyl and new 3.0l V6...<p>I wouldn't expect those 2 extra seats to be any bigger... seems about the same size as the current Highlanders. I highly doubt the RAV4's will be any bigger.

anonms
10-19-2005, 03:15 PM
Anyone else notice how, technically, there isn't a rear bumper since it folds down as a bottom half of the tailgate? What happens if there's a horrible rear-end crash? Oo

qazqaz
10-19-2005, 03:34 PM
Anyone know when the new Outlander is launched in Europe/UK ?<br>

knicks125
03-29-2006, 10:25 AM
<B>NA Spec</B>:<p><IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/skvyc5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mitsubishi Motors to Unveil New V6-powered, 6 Speed AT Equipped Outlander for North American Market at New York International Automobile Show<p>Tokyo, March 29 2006  Mitsubishi Motors will announce the North American market version of the Outlander SUV model at the upcoming New York Auto Show. Launched in Japan in October last year, Outlander brings a new-feel product concept that marries mainline SUV functionality and design with sedan-like handling and ride. Outlander has enjoyed strong popularity among Japanese consumers with orders reaching about 20,000 units for the new model in the 5.5 months since its launch  well exceeding the 2,000 unit monthly sales target. To be held at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, the New York International Automobile Show opens to the press and media on April 12 and to the general public on April 14.<p>The North American Outlander will be powered by a new high performance, low emissions, and low fuel consumption 3-liter V6 MIVEC*1 engine together with a 6-speed automatic transmission to deliver outstanding acceleration and high-speed cruising performance.<p>The new Outlander offers a choice of drive formats: the electronically controlled 4WD system that has received high acclaim in Japan; and a front-wheel drive version specially tailored to the North American market.<br>As on the Japan market model, the new Outlander will use a newly design high-rigidity platform that realizes improved impact safety and an aluminum roof panel that lowers center of gravity and reduces roll inertia for improved handling performance and ride. Outlander also offers outstanding utility performance with a split tailgate ("Flap-fold tailgate") that facilitates the loading of different sizes and weights of luggage and with an available 7-seat layout that features two occasional-use third row seats stored flat under the floor ("Underfloor-stowable compact 3rd row seat"). Outlander also features Mitsubishi's Sportronic steering wheel paddle shifters that allow the driver to change gear manually without having to take his hand off the steering wheel.<br>Mitsubishi Motors began revamping its car engine lineup in 2004 to a common theme of high performance, low fuel consumption, low weight, and compact size. The new 3-liter V6 MIVEC engine powering the North American Outlander is the fourth new engine in this theme, following the 4A9-type 4-cylinder 1.3 and 1.5-liter units that power the European Colt launched in May 2004 (and the Japanese Colt from October 2004), the 4B1-type 4-cylinder 2.4-liter unit that powers the Japanese Outlander launched in October 2005 and the 3B2-type 3-cylinder 660cc engine that powers the i minicar launched in Japan in January this year. <p>Like the other members of the new engine lineup the 3-liter V6 MIVEC engine incorporates many advanced features including an aluminum cylinder block, a resin variable air induction system, and Mitsubishi's own MIVEC variable valve timing system to generate best-in-class output and torque. The new power unit achieves this higher performance while being about 25 kg lighter, and realizing about 5% better fuel economy, than its 6G7-type 3-liter V6 predecessor. In addition, the use of a high-performance catalytic converter means that the North American Outlander is expected to receive the Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (PZEV) designation under California emissions standards (according to in house testing).<p>The Outlander will be joined at the New York International Automobile Show by 9 other models including the new Eclipse Spyder convertible and the 2007 special edition Galant Ralliart mid-size luxury sports sedan due to go on sale this autumn.</TD></TR></TABLE>

DoMiNo
03-29-2006, 10:54 AM
Wow, Lexus did a pretty good job designing this.

evomk8
03-29-2006, 11:47 AM
The press release only alludes to the V6...<br>I hope Mitsu will also make the 4-banger available shortly after launch. With gas prices set to continue rising over the coming years, it would be good for them to have that option available very soon indeed.<br>Anyone know why the 2.4l isn't available right off the bat?

JBlair
03-29-2006, 12:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, Lexus did a pretty good job designing this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What are you talking about? The only part that looks remotely 'Lexus' are the taillamps.

syadasti
03-29-2006, 12:37 PM
This was on sale before the new RAV4 came out, so Toyota was the one who copied the c-pillar.

WeTinh
03-29-2006, 01:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This was on sale before the new RAV4 came out, so Toyota was the one who copied the c-pillar.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Funniest post of the day <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Even if Toyota copied it, they pulled it off better than Mitsubishi. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

bison
03-29-2006, 02:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This was on sale before the new RAV4 came out, so Toyota was the one who copied the c-pillar.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually, the AMC Gremlin was on sale before either of them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.lhmopars.com/MOPAR_Ads/1972_AMC_Gremlin_ad1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lhmopars.com/MOPAR_...1.jpg</A>

WeTinh
03-29-2006, 02:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bison</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Actually, the AMC Gremlin was on sale before either of them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>They revitalized it, its called Murano now though.

DoMiNo
03-29-2006, 02:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What are you talking about? The only part that looks remotely 'Lexus' are the taillamps. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh? Well I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder. Besides, you're one to talk:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Hmm...I think I've seen that rear on a car somewhere before........Oh! Thats right, its a carbon copy of the Audi Q7. Way to go Acura, you've proven your uselessness yet again. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>...oof, the irony is killing me.<br>

knihc2008
03-29-2006, 03:20 PM
no, i don't see any lexus in it at all, except vaguely in the rear lamps. even then, the shape is not the same at all, just the placement and the use of clear lamps.

syadasti
03-29-2006, 03:28 PM
Nope - guess you haven't see the new RAV4 in person. It drives well for an SUV, but the rear of the car isn't pretty and the interior and exterior styling are bland. Its a very practical tall wagon though...<p>The RAV4 1st and 2nd generation looked like ass and were pretty boring vehicles.

nismo
03-29-2006, 03:38 PM
Doesn't look like a copy of anything to me, besides the clear taillights that do look similar to the RX that actually started as an aftermarket trend.<p>I love this truck but Mitsu would be stupid if they didn't release the 4 banger. Not everyone wants a V6, especially now a' days. I'm hoping they just mentioned the V6 model because this will be its global release.

hakkinen
03-29-2006, 04:51 PM
Anxious to see the Peugeot and Citroen versions.<p>@ndreas

anonms
03-29-2006, 05:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This was on sale before the new RAV4 came out, so Toyota was the one who copied the c-pillar.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Toyota Camry (1992-1996)<br><IMG SRC="http://images.automotive.com/review_images/94p94camry.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://cybergeo.com/user4.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Toyota Caldina (2002-current)<br><IMG SRC="http://toyota20032004.free.fr/images/japon/toyota/2003_caldina_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Toyota Corolla Verso (2004-current)<br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.images.free.fr/images/japon/toyota/2004_corolla_verso_25.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Toyota Corolla Spacio (2001(?)-current)<br><IMG SRC="http://www.carpage.hu/spacio1.jpg" BORDER="0">

syadasti
03-29-2006, 05:26 PM
I am talking about Toyota/Lexus SUVs. Outlander and RAV4 are SUVs. Show me a prior Toyota SUV with that c-pillar...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 5:42 PM 3/29/2006</i>

CosworthKid
03-29-2006, 05:42 PM
Before i saw the official pics i also thought it looked like a Lexus wannabe. But now it doesnt, it looks very very nice and a hell of a lot better than the model it replaced. Rear follows same design philosophy as their Dakar racer, Colt and Evo X concept. Sure, the lights on this one do remind of the Lexus but then again the lights on the other Mitsu's i mentioned also remind of Alfa Romeo's but they still look very unique and nicely used on those cars, just like this does. Interior is top as well, very sporty and its nice to see that Mitsubishi havent fallen into the trap of trying to make it look up-market by using fake wood and other tacky materials. This links it directly to its rally heritage (Evolution Lancer and Pajero Dakar) and the only element that "borrows" a bit from other cars are the binocular style dials which remind me a bit of the SLK's. Yet that is normal cause they are part of the same group. All-in-all i like it very very much. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
03-29-2006, 06:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am talking about Toyota/Lexus SUVs. Outlander and RAV4 are SUVs. Show me a prior Toyota SUV with that c-pillar...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It does not matter whether or not it is an SUV or not. They are all Toyota vehicles, and Toyota has used that pillar since 1992 (perhaps even earlier, but I'm too lazy to try to find out).<p>If you want to play at that game, the RAV4 and Outlander are car-based, thus are essentially tall wagons, not SUVs.<p>Besides, the RAV4 is pretty much the USDM equivalent to the Corolla Verso.

syadasti
03-29-2006, 06:24 PM
It does matter. Toyota has never used it on any vehicle THEY classify as an SUV on their Toyota or Lexus lines.<p>Talking about wagons, sucks they don't sell Toyota Caldina here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Anyhow I think most people would say the new Outlander is more attractive than the new RAV4. The Japanese do - its outselling the new RAV4 and its doing over 2X monthly sales estimates since it came out 6 months ago in Japan.<p>I test drove the new RAV4 Limited V6 AWD yesterday and was impressed with how it drove, but the interior and exterior are merely practical/acceptable.<p>I definately will check this out in NYC in April and am looking forward to test driving it and the Mazda CX7. Out of the three on paper, I think the Outlander would be my pick overall but just considering style, CX7 is nicer than either IMHO).

anonms
03-29-2006, 06:29 PM
Is the US-spec Outlander going to have that two-part rear hatch with the bottom part even with the bumper (it'd kinda suck if it got damaged to the point where the hatch couldn't be opened in a crash...)?<p>Will they modify that 3rd row? It looks like a 2-person lawn chair in the JDM-spec. Not that that's a bad thing, as it really makes it "occational-use"...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It does matter. Toyota has never used it on any vehicle THEY classify as an SUV on their Toyota or Lexus lines.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, then, tell me why it matters. It seems like you're just trying to find excuses to bash Toyota's styling.

DoMiNo
03-29-2006, 06:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Before i saw the official pics i also thought it looked like a Lexus wannabe. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okay, well at least I wasn't the ONLY one.<p>And in any event, I never said it looked <I>bad</I>. But on that note, it sure isn't anything to write home about.

syadasti
03-29-2006, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toyota's styling.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ah yes, its great when the best selling Toyota models earn them the title of "The Japanese Buick" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

WeTinh
03-30-2006, 07:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So, then, tell me why it matters. It seems like you're just trying to find excuses to bash Toyota's styling.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's called jealousy. I know it, you know, THEY know it.

WeTinh
03-30-2006, 07:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nope - guess you haven't see the new RAV4 in person. It drives well for an SUV, but the rear of the car isn't pretty and the interior and exterior styling are bland. Its a very practical tall wagon though...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>So the RAV4 is a tall wagon..... what do you call the outlander then? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Outlander = name copied from toyota/subaru (OUTback +highLANDER)

bison
03-30-2006, 08:39 AM
From the press release:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Like the other members of the new engine lineup the 3-liter V6 MIVEC engine incorporates many advanced features including an aluminum cylinder block, a resin variable air induction system, and Mitsubishi's own MIVEC variable valve timing system to generate best-in-class output and torque."</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I wonder how they define "best in class?" If the class is "3.0 liter V6s," they'd have to top Honda's 244 horsepower. If the class is "compact SUVs," they'd have to top the RAV4's 269 horsepower. Both seem unobtainable using MIVEC, which is SOHC IIRC.

syadasti
03-30-2006, 10:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"Edmunds Insideline"</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Mitsubishi will also be upgrading the Lancer's powertrain from the current 2.4-liter, 160-horsepower four-cylinder to a 3.0-liter V6 believed to be capable of around 250 hp. This new engine will be mated to a six-speed automatic transmission.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its rumored at 250HP. The Honda J30 produces less than 240HP in the most powerful application (240HP is the cheating non SAE rating). For example their J32 in the Acura line went from 270hp non-SAE to 258 SAE.<p>There aren't too many normally aspired V6 3L engines putting out 250HP. The J35 in the Saturn Vue (renamed the L66) puts out 250HP with a half liter more displacement. If you go to a 3L I6 design, BMW has a nicer motor or you could go to a 242HP SAE boxer setup like subbie has. Gotta compare Apples to Apples though - so regular V6 vs. V6. Also how many V6s are PZEV - not too many...<p><br><i>Modified by syadasti at 10:14 AM 3/30/2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 10:21 AM 3/30/2006</i>

bison
03-30-2006, 10:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Honda J30 produces less than 240HP in the most powerful application (240HP is the cheating non SAE rating). For example their J32 in the Acura line went from 270hp non-SAE to 258 SAE.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I didn't know that. I assumed that when the Accord went from 240 to 244 horsepower that the 244 was SAE certified, since it's not rounded off to the nearest 5/10 horsepower.<p>Does the new Mitsu motor require 91-octane fuel?

syadasti
03-30-2006, 10:28 AM
You are right, I checked the PR's. Most SAE ratings were lower, but the Accord went up<p>J30 244HP (+4 hp, SAE net revised 8/04)<br>J32 258HP (-12 hp, SAE net revised 8/04)<br>Subbie H6 3L (-8 hp, SAE net revised 8/04)<p>If price was no money, the best 3L setup would be BMW's new 3L I6.<p>I have no idea about fueling requirements...

WeTinh
03-30-2006, 12:16 PM
i didn't know accord and outlander are classified as the same....<p>i thought 'best in class' means the same type and size of a vehicle, not the general output of all 3.0 v6's.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>haha...suzuki & mitsu underestimated toyota. they didn't think toyota would make a jump from 2.4 to 3.5 in the rav4. "best in class" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> NOT IN THE USA!

nismo
03-30-2006, 01:57 PM
Could we be a little more mature in here... enough of the "it copied this" and the "this is better than that" garbage please. Just agree to disagree and move on already. Unless you have a mature sensible opinion or news to post you have no need to post here. <p>I've heard the new 3.0 V6 has 215hp but I could be wrong. In less than 2 weeks we should hear something.<p>I'm glad to Mitsu going back to global models. I hope they do the same for the next Galant and Eclipse because what their US branch thinks America wants is a bit off...

syadasti
03-30-2006, 03:43 PM
<A HREF="http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?lnk=211&featureid=115&description=Mitsubishi%20Outlander%202007" TARGET="_blank">Fifth Gear test</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Three things we like:<p>1) Styling<br>2) Well designed interior<br>3) Painless on-road driving dynamics.<br>Three things we're not mad on:<p>1) Thrashy CVT transmission<br>2) Limited off-road ability<br>3) Having to wait until 2007.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.mitsubishi.ackonim.si/lib/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=926&sid=3855aadee9efc04250c2f19c1d0b8f7a" TARGET="_blank">Big thread with lots of pictures</A>

anonms
03-30-2006, 04:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could we be a little more mature in here... enough of the "it copied this" and the "this is better than that" garbage please. Just agree to disagree and move on already. Unless you have a mature sensible opinion or news to post you have no need to post here. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>On that note, remember that the development cycle of an automobile is not a few weeks. Nothing's copying anything unless anything's been out for, probably, at least two years.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've heard the new 3.0 V6 has 215hp but I could be wrong. In less than 2 weeks we should hear something.<p>I'm glad to Mitsu going back to global models. I hope they do the same for the next Galant and Eclipse because what their US branch thinks America wants is a bit off...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>215 hp sounds reasonable, but they should certainly reword their PR... it isn't exactly "best-in-class", unless they're referring to the V6 being standard (which I'm assuming it's going to be), as the RAV4's V6 technically is an option, regardless of how Toyota regards "RAV4 base V6 5-speed 4WD" as a seperate trim from "RAV4 base I4 4-speed 2WD" or whatever. The Mitsu V6 certainly beats the GV's 2.7L.

nismo
03-30-2006, 04:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>215 hp sounds reasonable, but they should certainly reword their PR... it isn't exactly "best-in-class",<B> unless they're referring to the V6 being standard (which I'm assuming it's going to be),</B> as the RAV4's V6 technically is an option, regardless of how Toyota regards "RAV4 base V6 5-speed 4WD" as a seperate trim from "RAV4 base I4 4-speed 2WD" or whatever. The Mitsu V6 certainly beats the GV's 2.7L.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Yeah then it would make sense but the idea of not having a base 4cyl.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> Mitsu come one, are they ignoring the market trends and gas prices. You can get a 4cyl Highlander and Rav4 with the 3rd seat option and all.<p>I think they might discontinue the Endeavor if the Outlander is going to have a V6 for the base model and an available 3rd row of seats. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
03-30-2006, 05:37 PM
I've seen no mention of 215hp anywhere. One site mentions 220hp and the rest all say 250hp. The older 2004 Mitsubishi 6G72 3L puts out 210 hp.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mitsubishi says Dakar racer inspired redesigned Outlander <p>Mitsubishi Motors Corp. is counting on the redesigned Outlander SUV to expand its lineup of fun-to-drive, sporty vehicles in the United States. <p>The 2007 version is bigger and has more engine power than the current five-seat Outlander. It also has a sportier and more aggressive appearance. <p>Mitsubishi showed the production model of the right-hand-drive version of the vehicle last week at the Tokyo Motor Show. <p>Dan Sims, general manager of the Mitsubishi Design Center in Cypress, Calif., says the U.S. version, which goes on sale next fall, is nearly identical. <p>The design was based on the Pajero Evolution, the Mitsubishi SUV that won the 2004 Dakar Rally, Sims says. The race ran from central France to Dakar, Senegal. "The plan was to get a lot of the look and DNA that you see on the racing car," he said. <p>Compared with the current model, the body is much more angular and the wheel flares are more dramatic. The steering wheel sports paddle shifters, just like the race vehicle. The front fog lights are similar to those on the sporty redesigned 2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse coupe. <p>The redesigned seven-seat SUV will be powered by a new 3.0-liter V-6 making about 220 hp. It replaces a 2.4-liter 160 hp I-4 engine. <br>...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It could be a GDI to get similar fuel economy to a traditional 4 cylinder. Mitsubishi developed the first new GDI engines on the market since 1955 and the efficiency and power output is better than regular engines. VW, DC, PSA, GM, BMW, Mazda. and Toyota all now make GDI engines (they use different marketing names for them).<p>I don't think they'll get rid of the Endeavor - this thing is the smaller - very similiar specs to the RAV4.<p>Check out the translated Japanese site/specs <A HREF="http://babel.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp%2Foutlander%2Fspec%2Fspe_01.html" TARGET="_blank">here</A><p>Amazing specs if we get all those features here...<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 6:17 PM 3/30/2006</i>

bison
03-30-2006, 09:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On that note, remember that the development cycle of an automobile is not a few weeks. Nothing's copying anything unless anything's been out for, probably, at least two years.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Very good point! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
03-31-2006, 04:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>On that note, remember that the development cycle of an automobile is not a few weeks. Nothing's copying anything unless anything's been out for, probably, at least two years.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>While that is true about the development cycle, industrial espionage can occur anywhere in the development cycle before public release and could occur off a product from one company earlier in the cycle to a product from another company later into the cycle or vice versa... <p>Most RD/labs/government installations ban tools of the trade like camera phones, disable external computer data ports (USB/Serial/etc), and have email/firewall/other electronic communication monitoring/protection/filtering in addition to physical security so no valuable data can be stolen easily.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 6:21 AM 3/31/2006</i>

evomk8
03-31-2006, 10:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>While that is true about the development cycle, industrial espionage can occur anywhere in the development cycle before public release and could occur off a product from one company earlier in the cycle to a product from another company later into the cycle or vice versa... <p>Most RD/labs/government installations ban tools of the trade like camera phones, disable external computer data ports (USB/Serial/etc), and have email/firewall/other electronic communication monitoring/protection/filtering in addition to physical security so no valuable data can be stolen easily.<p><i>Modified by syadasti at 6:21 AM 3/31/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Let's stay on topic please. IMO, you're stretching it a bit...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>215 hp sounds reasonable, but they should certainly reword their PR... it isn't exactly "best-in-class", unless they're referring to the V6 being standard (which I'm assuming it's going to be), as the RAV4's V6 technically is an option, regardless of how Toyota regards "RAV4 base V6 5-speed 4WD" as a seperate trim from "RAV4 base I4 4-speed 2WD" or whatever. The Mitsu V6 certainly beats the GV's 2.7L.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Best-in-class claims obviously have to be based on a specific metric. As such, anybody can make a best-in-class claim, as long as they provide a specific definition (truth-in-advertising). They are just a marketing tool, not much else.<p>In regards to the power output of the 3.0l V6, even the so-called automotive press is still speculating. Motor Trend says 217hp, whereas edmunds.com claimed 240hp... The car will debut in just 2 weeks, we will know soon enough. I personally am hoping for at least 225hp.

bison
03-31-2006, 12:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Let's stay on topic please. IMO, you're stretching it a bit...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't know, I found syadasti's post to be interesting.

WeTinh
03-31-2006, 01:20 PM
Doesn't matter if its 210, 217, 225, 240, or 250hp, it'll still be slower than the "RAD4" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> . And, at the end of the day, its still a mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
03-31-2006, 01:25 PM
Yes, espionage is a real problem for companies especially ones that have to interact with many other companies at once. Most companies make you sign a non disclosure agreement with them before you can start working with them that way they can sue you if you disseminate any valuable information. I had to research an anti-espionage email solution for a very large Japanese company with the biggest Microsoft Exchange deployment in the world <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Just to keep more on topic - checking over the previews and Japanese specs on the new Outlander, it seems to be very similiar externally to the RAV4 in size but it has 13-14 cu ft less interior storage space (though I remember when Toyota was busted for cheating on the interior space of the Sequoia to make it seem class leading when it wasn't). I guess I'll have to wait until I see the two in NYC in a few weeks, but its a tough call between the two which one I'd put my money on.

evomk8
03-31-2006, 01:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't matter if its 210, 217, 225, 240, or 250hp, it'll still be slower than the "RAD4" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> . And, at the end of the day, its still a mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>RAD4... who builds that? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And, at the end of the day, its still a mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thank you for that superfluous comment and for contributing exactly nothing to this thread.<br>Please do some research, Mitsubishi isn't just what you read in the press or what has transpired in the past 5 years.<p>I'm sure I''ll be shortly hearing about the recall scandal, sexual harrassment, poor sales and "ugly" cars... Please, again, do some research beyond the usual suspects and the recent past. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
03-31-2006, 01:34 PM
217 hp is the Motortrend number, 220 hp was in PRish type piece that mentions the GM of the Mitsubishi design center, and 250 hp was Edmunds number. Any other numbers were just confused misquotes of the auto press.<p>One the latest CR recommends three of the older/bland Mitsubishi vehicles and CR ranks them as a brand in the top 6 least defects per 100 vehicles.<p>The Japanese market still thinks the new Outlander is better than the new RAV4 according to the sales figures and 2005 design award. All this despite the fact that Toyota otherwise dominates all other players with 51% overall marketshare.<p>Feature wise the Outlander easily surpasses the RAV4 and power wise - well putting a big efficient 3.5L V6 in a cute ute was GM's playbook in late 2003 (Honda J35 engine/tranny/ecu in the Saturn Vue) - no innovative thinking on Toyota's part...<p><br><i>Modified by syadasti at 1:40 PM 3/31/2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 1:44 PM 3/31/2006</i>

evomk8
03-31-2006, 01:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Feature wise the Outlander easily surpasses the RAV4 and power wise - well putting a big 3.5L V6 in a cute ute was GM's playbook in late 2003 (Honda J35 engine/tranny/ecu in the Saturn Vue) - no innovative thinking on Toyota's part...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I feel that Toyota deserves respect for having created this segment and for the improvements they made to the new RAV-4. It is an excellent vehicle in just about all respects (except for the 4-speed automatic on the 4-cylinder. IMO that was a pretty bad oversight). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I'll be in the market for a small CUV this fall and think that the RAV-4, Outlander and redesigned CR-V will be on the top of my list.

syadasti
03-31-2006, 01:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I feel that Toyota deserves respect for having created this segment and for the improvements they made to the new RAV-4. It is an excellent vehicle in just about all respects (except for the 4-speed automatic on the 4-cylinder. IMO that was a pretty bad oversight). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I'll be in the market for a small CUV this fall and think that the RAV-4, Outlander and redesigned CR-V will be on the top of my list.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Me too, right now its between the RAV4 and the new Outlander. Third choice is the Mazda CX-7 and I might check the Acura RDX.<p>I am not say that Toyota wasn't innovative for the original RAV4, just the introduction of high-powered fuel efficient cute-ute. Toyota did that in response other cute-utes with V6s. The Vue was the first cute-vue with a decent mid-end V6 engine, quick performance numbers, and sporty versions (see Redline).

WeTinh
03-31-2006, 01:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I feel that Toyota deserves respect for having created this segment and for the improvements they made to the new RAV-4. It is an excellent vehicle in just about all respects (except for the 4-speed automatic on the 4-cylinder. IMO that was a pretty bad oversight) .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm sure they will upgrade it to a 5spd in a couple of years. Hey, they have to save something for the refresh. This is the year of the V6.<p>I'd cross the Cr-v off of your list. Have seen spied pics of? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
03-31-2006, 01:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Nice misleading "Japanese market sales figure" there. The new outlander came out first, so at the time of course it was competing against the 05 Rav4, which i agreed was useless. As for the 3.5 in the rav4 and saturn vue, the difference is the Toyota looks 100 times better, thats why it will sell, which toyota doesn't? The only v6 Rav4 we saw at the dealer was the same demo car, same goes for the Camry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The fact that the monthly sales figures for the Outlander are more than twice predicted and STILL outsell the NEW RAV4 actually make the Outlander even more significant - models are in HIGHER demand the first few month of their release. The new Outlander has been out 2-3 months more than the new RAV4 in Japan.<p>Toyota and Saturn both make bland cars, people buy the Toyota cause they are reliable/better built. The new RAV4 looks better than the old one, but its not a beauty contest winner - especially with rear end and tire on the back <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:30 PM 3/31/2006</i>

evomk8
03-31-2006, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Me too, right now its between the RAV4 and the new Outlander. Third choice is the Mazda CX-7 and I might check the Acura RDX.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I forgot about the CX-7 and RDX... Arrghhh, more CUV's to keep track of... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Nice misleading "Japanese market sales figure" there. The new outlander came out first, so at the time of course it was competing against the 05 Rav4, which i agreed was useless. As for the 3.5 in the rav4 and saturn vue, the difference is the Toyota looks 100 times better, thats why it will sell, which toyota doesn't? The only v6 Rav4 we saw at the dealer was the same demo car, same goes for the Camry. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>For better comparison, the RAV-4 was launched in November. For the full sales months of December through February, the RAV-4 sold more units than the Outlander only for the month of January. You can visit the Japan Automobile Dealers Association (www.jada.or.jp/), unfortunately it is exclusively in Japanese.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm sure they will upgrade it to a 5spd in a couple of years. Hey, they have to save something for the refresh. This is the year of the V6.<p>I'd cross the Cr-v off of your list. Have seen spied pics of? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The spy pics do seem to give the CR-V the least handsome prospects. However, I feel I will withhold my judgment on styling until I see actual production pics. Either way, I would probably still test-drive one just to see... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by evomk8 at 2:14 PM 3/31/2006</i>

Hornbag
03-31-2006, 05:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thats why it will sell, which toyota doesn't? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can name one complete disater, and a few minor ones <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
03-31-2006, 06:45 PM
Yeah, seriously. The T-badge does not equate to guaranteed success.

syadasti
03-31-2006, 07:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, seriously. The T-badge does not equate to guaranteed success.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah I don't think the new FJ will rise to Xterra fame in the truck based SUV class - its more a fad like a hummer.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:46 PM 3/31/2006</i>

knicks125
03-31-2006, 07:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't matter if its 210, 217, 225, 240, or 250hp, it'll still be slower than the "RAD4" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> . And, at the end of the day, its still a mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>May I remind you this is a Mitsubishi Outlander thread...you are more than welcomed to make fair and objective comparisons between the two but saying "at the end of the day, it's still a mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> " is nothing but pure bashing.<p>Everyone knows the reptuable edge of Toyota, and no one is discounting it, but please, don't force it into everyone, especially at a non-Toyota thread...everyone has different perferences/needs/opinions so please respect those and use restraint whenever possible and necesscary <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
03-31-2006, 07:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah I don't think the new FJ will rise to Xterra fame in the truck based SUV class - its more a fad like a hummer.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, the FJ is one heck of a wild card. On one end, it could become among Toyota's biggest successes. On the other hand, it could flop worse than the ECHO.<p>But even if the FJ flops, Toyota could always claim it was a special 50th anneversary car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't matter if its 210, 217, 225, 240, or 250hp, it'll still be slower than the "RAD4" . And, at the end of the day, its still a mitsubishi </TD></TR></TABLE><p>People don't buy SUVs for speed. They buy them for image.

syadasti
03-31-2006, 08:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People don't buy SUVs for speed. They buy them for image.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah a stylish station wagon/minivan in the US at least.<p>To go off topic again, I think the FJ will sell more than the H3 but not the H2 especially with gas prices on the rise. I hate silly hardcore truck based SUV posermobiles. Xterra's work great offroad but more importantly works very well on the road too where most will be 99% percent of the time.

anonms
03-31-2006, 08:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To go off topic again, I think the FJ will sell more than the H3 but not the H2 especially with gas prices on the rise. I hate silly hardcore truck based SUV posermobiles. Xterra's work great offroad but more importantly works very well on the road too where most will be 99% percent of the time.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just in case you didn't know: Toyota's trucks have excellent off-road and on-road performance, and are not posermobiles.

syadasti
04-01-2006, 04:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just in case you didn't know: Toyota's trucks have excellent off-road and on-road performance, and are not posermobiles.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Last off topic post.<p>Truck based SUVs from any maker are posermobiles for most drivers in the US - a vast majority never tow (which a pickup would be even better) or go offroad - the only valid reasons for owning one.<p>You agreed, people buy SUVs cause they are posers:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"butterfly0fdoom"</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>People don't buy SUVs for speed. <b>They buy them for image.</b></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The FJ is gaudy and is too offroad specific. I've seen one in person and definately would not consider one if I needed a truck based SUV (at a Toyota dealer that was a licensed Hummer dealership too, no less). Third place, rock hopping SUVs:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"Car and Driver"</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>As with the Hummer, the Toyota’s styling sometimes leads it down impractical paths.</b> It is similarly fitted with gun-slit windows, a flat windshield that appears to be way the hell out on the hood, and a small backlight about 20 percent obliterated by the spare tire. What’s more, Toyota struggled to hide the second set of doors — the original FJ had just two — which resulted in a pair of clamshell “half-doors.” From the outside, they’re tricky to open; you have to fumble around blindly with your fingers to locate the latch. Worse, once you’ve crawled into the back seat, you can’t get out until someone opens the front doors. The rear seat is okay for three, but it’s plenty claustrophobic back there (note the 20-inch C-pillar, which also creates a blind spot for the driver), and it’s plenty stuffy back there, too, because the rear side windows are sealed for eternity.<p>...<p>Alas, the soft suspension that was such a boon in the boonies — we’re talkin’ 7.9 inches of travel fore, 9.1 inches aft — induced wallow and roll on paved surfaces and in corners, where the FJ plowed and howled. <b>In this quartet, the Toyota boasted the least lateral grip, and it generally felt a titch slow-witted and Hummer-esque as it swayed its way down the 405 freeway. In photos, the FJ looks about the size of a RAV4. It ain’t.</b></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Compared to first place winner, 2nd gen Xterra:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where our three other SUVs were a little too single-skilled — the H3 and FJ off-road, the Jeep on — <b>the new Xterra proved talented at both. You can see it in the stats: It’s the shortest and narrowest of the quartet, a huge asset on narrow trails. It offers 9.5 inches of ground clearance, the most horsepower, a 7.0-second 0-to-60 time, the highest emergency-lane-change speed, and the best observed fuel economy.</b><p>On the Mengel Pass, the Xterra kept pace with the H3 and FJ, thanks to its locking rear diff, Bilstein shocks, BFG Rugged Trail tires, and three skid plates (plus a fourth guarding the transfer case). Its shifter was almost as slick as the FJ’s, with gentle clutch takeup and serene throttle tip-in. The view forward was superb, helped by a commanding driving position. Precise steering allowed the Xterra to hunt back and forth through boulders like a bloodhound on the scent, and when you needed to goose this baby up ascents, it leapt like a sports car. In a moment of exuberance, in fact, I pulled a Garlits-quality wheelie scrabbling up a 50-degree quartzite grade — the sort of chassis-bending caper Robinson had begged us to eschew.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>FJ ain't all that...<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 5:17 AM 4/1/2006</i>

Superfresa
04-01-2006, 05:09 AM
I reckon its a mistake to compare the FJ with a Hummer. The hummer is a joke for showoffs, the FJ a capable retro 4X4. It may have many things wrong but Toyotas are no showoff cars - they are practical and purpose buit cars.

syadasti
04-01-2006, 05:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I reckon its a mistake to compare the FJ with a Hummer. The hummer is a joke for showoffs, the FJ a capable retro 4X4. It may have many things wrong but Toyotas are no showoff cars - they are practical and purpose buit cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The original Hummer was not a joke, it wasn't built by GM for posers. The H3 isn't as bad as the first GM hummer the H2 either.<p>Either way, the FJ is departure from traditional Toyota fare - designed specifically for the US marketplace who favors styling over practical everyday usage.<p>Its a posermobile in the same vein of the GM Hummers only its built better.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:58 AM 4/1/2006</i>

WeTinh
04-01-2006, 08:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Actually, the FJ is one heck of a wild card. On one end, it could become among Toyota's biggest successes. On the other hand, it could flop worse than the ECHO.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think that will happen. The Echo never had a waiting list, or had customers buying msrp prices. There's one on ebay that's going for $50k right now. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

WeTinh
04-01-2006, 08:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I can name one complete disater, and a few minor ones <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think its bigger brother, the corolla made up for its sales loss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-01-2006, 01:26 PM
Okay, everyone...get back on topic...NOW

anonms
04-01-2006, 02:19 PM
Yes, let's. <p>The Outlander does indeed look promising, although I'm not really agreeing with that butt (everything looks off somehow).<p>The only problem here is if consumers will buy it. When the advent of a facelifted Escape, redesigned CR-V, and new Santa Fe (or is it already avaliable?), as well as the RAV4's having already arrived, how good are the Outlander's chances?

CosworthKid
04-01-2006, 08:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, let's. <p>The Outlander does indeed look promising, although I'm not really agreeing with that butt (everything looks off somehow).<p>The only problem here is if consumers will buy it. When the advent of a facelifted Escape, redesigned CR-V, and new Santa Fe (or is it already avaliable?), as well as the RAV4's having already arrived, how good are the Outlander's chances?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well somehow despite the fact that Mitsubishi has big problems selling its sedan's and smaller cars, it never had a problem with its preformance(Evo) and large SUV(Pajero/Shogun).I know the previous outlander wasnt a success, but having already achieved strong sales in Japan and looking so much better than the old model, this one's chances are really good IMO(at least for Europe and ASEAN markets)

evomk8
04-03-2006, 07:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, let's. <p>The Outlander does indeed look promising, although I'm not really agreeing with that butt (everything looks off somehow).<p>The only problem here is if consumers will buy it. When the advent of a facelifted Escape, redesigned CR-V, and new Santa Fe (or is it already avaliable?), as well as the RAV4's having already arrived, how good are the Outlander's chances?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>IMHO, the Outlander so far represents Mitsubishi's best chance at regaining some customers in the U.S.<br>Not only does the car look good (IMO) insid and out, per customer and press reports (from Japan) the interior is of good quality and the standard features/packaging is of high spec. From a pure product standpoint, the only issue I see is the lack of a 4-cylinder at launch.<br>As butterfly0fdoom correctly states, the main problem for Mitsu is consumers, or rather the lack of consumer recognition/interest in their vehicles. Over the past 25 years, Mitsubishi has never really established a clear brand identity in the U.S. The closest they came was in the early 90's where, with the likes of the Eclipse Turbo, 3000GT, Galant VR-4, Mirage Turbo and Diamante, a value high-tech performance image was emerging.<br>Unfortunately, none of the above mentioned were high-volume, and the relatively poor quality of the DSM-built cars (especially the 7th Gen Galant) as well as the a near endless string of bad press essentially relegated the company to obscurity.<br>IMHO, what Mitsu needs is a string of products in the vain of the new Outlander (I think is happening with the upcoming Lancer and EVO) and a high-penetration cuonsumer focused marketing campaign in the vain of Hyundai.<br>Much of Hyndai's success can be attributed to their excellent marketing (in my <B>humble personal</B> opinion their products depended on marketing success) and low price. Hyundai recognized that consumer quality perception was a huge problem and taylored their marketing accordingly.<br>I think Mitsu's problem is a little more complex. Consumer perception is not necessarily one of poor quality, but maybe moreso one of poor service and ethics. That perception may be much harder to influence. Again, I think that a very well focused PR campaign and strong marketing message might help.<br>Somebody stop me... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
04-03-2006, 06:05 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle_Reviews/SUVs_Wagons/Preview_2007_Mitsubishi_Outlander.S181.A9549.html" TARGET="_blank">December 2005 Car Connection First Drive, Japanese Model</A><p>Arghh, can't wait for the NY show...

syadasti
04-11-2006, 08:01 AM
New blurb from Autoweek.com, says 220HP. Will be nice if its around 3500 lbs with AWD plus it has the 6 spd automatic. They mention the bluetooth and HD GPS options - hope we get the rear view backup camera like the Japanese version has too!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>autoweek.com</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MITSUBISHI<p>The styling for the redesigned 2007 Outlander is drawn from Mitsubishi's Pajero Evolution, the SUV that won the 2004 Dakar rally. The new Outlander is powered by Mitsubishi's new 3.0-liter V-6 that makes about 220 hp. A six-speed automatic transmission will be offered with paddle shifters. All-wheel- and front-wheel-drive models will be available. The 2007 Outlander seats seven and is larger than the current generation. The 2006 Outlander seats five. Bluetooth wireless technology and a navigation system will be offered.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br><i>Modified by syadasti at 8:11 AM 4/11/2006</i><p><br><i>Modified by syadasti at 8:14 AM 4/11/2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 8:15 AM 4/11/2006</i>

anonms
04-11-2006, 03:27 PM
*hint to Toyota: The RAV4 needs Smart Access and Bluetooth and GPS...*

syadasti
04-11-2006, 05:38 PM
The RAV4 actually has most of the various features in other markets were people care more about their cars.<p>Also needs auto headlights, backup camera, hatchback rear, no silly tire on the back, an alloy spare on the limited trim, a rear bumper, a clearer LCD display, HID lamps, a better stereo HU, and the list goes on - just check rav4world.com 4.3 threads. How about a diesel hybrid version <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I am still not sure what I am getting RAV4 V6 AWD or Outlander V6 AWD. I could always get a garmin c550 for HDD GPS w/traffic updates and bluetooth on the RAV4 and live with the numerous faults and omissions on the RAV4 to get the bigger engine and resale values...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:44 PM 4/11/2006</i>

syadasti
04-12-2006, 06:43 AM
The new Outlander and Mazda CX9 were just unveiled on "Live with Regis and Kelly". <p> I was going over to turn off the TV cause I hate that show and they showed both vehicles before I turned the TV off...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:12 AM 4/12/2006</i>

evomk8
04-12-2006, 06:55 AM
Per a PRNewswire press release, we now have a near comlplete list of specs and features for the new Outlander.<p>Two trim levels: LS & XLS<p>For 2007 MY only the 3.0l V6 will be available<br>Engine Specs: 220hp @ 6250rpm & 204lb-ft of torque at 4000rpm<p>Seven seating only available on XLS trim<p>P-ZEV certification available in California<p>6-Speed auto w/ optional Steeringwheel mounted paddle shifters available<p>Curtain side airbags cover 1st and 2nd row only<p>There's more, just click the link below:<p><A HREF="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-12-2006/0004338796&EDATE" TARGET="_blank">http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-...EDATE</A>=<p>Overall, I think the packaging is pretty good and I will keep this CUV on my list.<br>I am a little dissappointed by the relatively low engine performance numbers, especially the torque figure. I hope that in turn the Outlander will get absolutely outstanding gas mileage. I mean, Mitsubishi's own 3.0l V6 GDI engine dating back to 1997 made more power than this...<br>I am also concerned that the side curtain airbag system only overs the first two rows. That is a near inexcuseable ommission in my opinion.<br>Finally, I still hope Mitsubishi will bring the 4-cylinder version to the States.

evomk8
04-12-2006, 07:08 AM
Full specs and measurements, as well as other press material, are on the Mitsubishi Press site:<p>Full Specs: <A HREF="http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2006041224953&mime=ASC" TARGET="_blank">http://media.mitsubishicars.co...e=ASC</A><p>Mitsubishi Press Release Site: <A HREF="http://media.mitsubishicars.com" TARGET="_blank">http://media.mitsubishicars.com</A>/<p>I just can't help my being disappointed... those engine specs... and the gas mileage 20/27 for the 2WD... ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

syadasti
04-12-2006, 07:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just can't help my being disappointed... those engine specs... and the gas mileage 20/27 for the 2WD... ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agreed, those specs are disappointing and to get the toys you have to buy a 7 seater XLS trim? 7 seats in CUV this size are stupid (not to mention Mitsubishi even calls them temporary). It also weighs nearly 3800 lbs in the top trim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Looks like I'll be getting the RAV4 instead <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
04-12-2006, 07:28 AM
The economy isn't all that bad. It's two MPG off from the 6-cylinder, 2wd Rav4, yes, but it still isn't terrible for a 6-cylinder SUV. My old Accord got comprable economy, but I guess the bar has just been raised that high now.

evomk8
04-12-2006, 09:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I agreed, those specs are disappointing and to get the toys you have to buy a 7 seater XLS trim? 7 seats in CUV this size are stupid (not to mention Mitsubishi even calls them temporary). It also weighs nearly 3800 lbs in the top trim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Looks like I'll be getting the RAV4 instead <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you will be able to get most of the "toys" via upgrade packages and won't have to buy the XLS trim. By simply adding the packages, the curb weight may also be a few lbs less.<p>I really do like the styling, inside and out, of the Outlander. I can't wait to sit in one and get a feel of what the interior is actually like (fit & finish, quality of materials).<p>I actually test drove a RAV-4 with the 4-cylinder (my sister-in-law is buying one) and the 7-seat option. IMHO the 4-banger seems streched and highway merging is not as evident as in the last generation (albeit smaller and lighter) RAV-4. IMO, the engine is also quite loud, even under normal acceleration, more so under heavy acceleration. Further, IMO the interior feels like it is of lesser quality than I have been accustomed to in other Toyota products. There is large usage of hard and hollow sounding plastics on the dash.<p>I am still keeping both the RAV-4 and Outlander on my list. Still waiting to see more of the next CRV and the two Mazda CUV's. <p>Price, standard safety equipment, 7 seats and fuel economy are the main factors for me (though I am partial to Mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) .

nismo
04-12-2006, 05:35 PM
The packaging of this should be rethought. Especially with the lack of the 4cyl.

evomk8
04-13-2006, 08:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The packaging of this should be rethought. Especially with the lack of the 4cyl.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>IMHO, the packaging is actually very good. My only gripe, in terms of packaging, is the absence of a third-row curtain airbag.<br>I feel that the bigger deficiency is in the engine department. As you correctly state, the lack of a 4-cylinder engine is a major oversight. Further, the available 3.0l V6 does not "appear" to be competetive. The reason I say "appear" is, even with the relatively low hp and torque figures, the engine may still be very dynamic since it produces 90% of its torque at just 2000rpm and likely has the same linear and free-reving characteristics as the current MIVEC engines. The problem is, most car shoppers will just look at the numbers and jump to the conclusion that the engine is weak...<p>What <B>really </B>conerns me is the decidedly poor estimated fuel economy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
04-13-2006, 09:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What <B>really </B>conerns me is the decidedly poor estimated fuel economy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>They could be being more honest with their numbers. If you look at sticker versus real observed, its usually a bit lower...

JBlair
04-13-2006, 11:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMHO, the packaging is actually very good. My only gripe, in terms of packaging, is the absence of a third-row curtain airbag.<br>I feel that the bigger deficiency is in the engine department. As you correctly state, the lack of a 4-cylinder engine is a major oversight. Further, the available 3.0l V6 does not "appear" to be competetive. The reason I say "appear" is, even with the relatively low hp and torque figures, the engine may still be very dynamic since it produces 90% of its torque at just 2000rpm and likely has the same linear and free-reving characteristics as the current MIVEC engines. The problem is, most car shoppers will just look at the numbers and jump to the conclusion that the engine is weak...<p>What <B>really </B>conerns me is the decidedly poor estimated fuel economy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>How is that poor fuel economy? 20/27 is pretty good for a V6, especially in an SUV.

evomk8
04-13-2006, 12:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>How is that poor fuel economy? 20/27 is pretty good for a V6, especially in an SUV. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess I'm specifically comparing the Outlanders 3.0 l V6 to the 3.5l V6 from the RAV-4 which gets 22/28...<br>I know, it's a bit of a narrow comparison... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-13-2006, 03:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess I'm specifically comparing the Outlanders 3.0 l V6 to the 3.5l V6 from the RAV-4 which gets 22/28...<br>I know, it's a bit of a narrow comparison... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're also comparing a Rav4 that weighs between 200-400 pounds LESS than the Outlander. That curb weight alone explains the worse fuel economy.

mitsupwr
04-13-2006, 03:57 PM
heres the latest...<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_newyork/mitsu/outlander/pages/01.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...1.htm</A><p>

syadasti
04-14-2006, 02:39 AM
I wonder what the real story is with this engine cause the Mitsubishi spec page did not say this? According to the car connection:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Outlander will be equipped with a 220-hp 3.0-liter V-6 engine that <b>delivers maximum torque at 1900 rpm</b> and is mated to a six-speed Sportonic transmission with steering wheel paddle shifters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If thats the case, it might be a little more interesting...

Nurburgring
04-14-2006, 07:10 AM
This car is very attractive but I dunno if this will be a runaway success Mitsubishi desperately needs.

techead979
04-14-2006, 10:33 AM
What I want to know is if Mitsu encorporated any of the AWD technology from the Evo? Do you think some parts are borrowed or is it an all-new system?

mitsupwr
04-14-2006, 12:00 PM
here is more from mitsu's site....<br><A HREF="http://mitsucars.com/07outlander" TARGET="_blank">http://mitsucars.com/07outlander</A>/

syadasti
04-15-2006, 12:44 PM
Here is the full story on the V6:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 2007 Outlander's all-new 3.0-liter SOHC V-6 engine uses aluminum for its cylinder block, cylinder heads, and oil pan. The new 4-valve-per-cylinder V-6 produces 220 hp at 6,250 rpm and 204 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,000 rpm, <b>with nearly 90 percent of peak torque available from just 2,000 rpm</b>. Combined with the optimized ratios of the 6-speed transmission, this performance curve gives the new Outlander outstanding response in all driving situations.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Might be a good budget option if priced well, but I'm thinking the CX7 looks nicest in this segment...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 12:57 PM 4/15/2006</i>

mitsupwr
04-15-2006, 09:48 PM
when they unveiled it on the regis and who ever the blonde is show, they say it will be priced in the mid 20's.

Ascariss
04-15-2006, 09:55 PM
kelly Ripa or what's her name, she busted something on that mitsubishi concept on friday lol. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

evomk8
04-18-2006, 01:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is the full story on the V6:<p>Might be a good budget option if priced well, but I'm thinking the CX7 looks nicest in this segment...<br><i>Modified by syadasti at 12:57 PM 4/15/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am going to withhold final judgement until I can test-drive the new Outlander. Considering that a lot of torque is available at such low rpm, it may be easy to get better gas mileage than estimated (am I hopelessly optimistic or what... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> )<br>I like the looks of the CX7 and CX9, they also have very nice interiors. However, the CX7 has no third row seating and the CX9 likely will only be available with the 3.5l V6... Still waiting on the new CRV...<br>Hopefully Mitsu will add the 4-cylinder next year and maybe even add third row side curtain airbags (good grief, I'm trippin in lah-lah land again...) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
04-18-2006, 01:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>However, the CX7 has no third row seating</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats cause third row seats in a compact SUV are a joke. Mitsubishi even calls them temporary occasional use seats. Its just a stupid marketing joke <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

evomk8
04-19-2006, 06:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Thats cause third row seats in a compact SUV are a joke. Mitsubishi even calls them temporary occasional use seats. Its just a stupid marketing joke <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd have to disagree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The new RAV-4 third row seats have acceptable leg room and are actually comfortable enough for a longer trip.<br>The jump seats in the Outlander (actually it looks more like a bench) don't quite look as comfortable... unfortunately... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
04-19-2006, 07:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The new RAV-4 third row seats have acceptable leg room and are actually comfortable enough for a longer trip.<br>The jump seats in the Outlander (actually it looks more like a bench) don't quite look as comfortable... unfortunately... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Only midget adults can fit comfortably in compact SUV third rows. You'd have to step up to something like a Tahoe for 7 adults.<p>Also some RAV4.3 owners complain even about the second row seats not being that comfortable (lots of foot room though, but thats a different issue)<p><br><i>Modified by syadasti at 7:16 AM 4/19/2006</i><p><br><i>Modified by syadasti at 7:16 AM 4/19/2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:20 AM 4/19/2006</i>

nismo
04-19-2006, 12:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats cause third row seats in a compact SUV are a joke. Mitsubishi even calls them temporary occasional use seats. Its just a stupid marketing joke <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ditto. The 3rd row in this AND the Rav4 are only for kids, small kids at that.

Nurburgring
04-19-2006, 03:05 PM
How about the new Santa Fe? I think that has decent leg room at the back.

anonms
04-19-2006, 06:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mazda5_Driver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about the new Santa Fe? I think that has decent leg room at the back.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's now more Highlander-sized.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ditto. The 3rd row in this AND the Rav4 are only for kids, small kids at that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But the 3rd row in the RAV4 uses actual seats. The Outlander's is more akin to a lawn chair for 2.

syadasti
04-19-2006, 06:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>But the 3rd row in the RAV4 uses actual seats. The Outlander's is more akin to a lawn chair for 2.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But third row seats are useless in compact SUVs, so it doesn't matter. Some small airplane seats are worse than those <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"><p>RAV4World.com user have called the 2nd row seats worse as far as comfort goes... <p>I think the new Santa Fe is even larger than the Highlander - its more like Honda Pilot sized?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 7:08 PM 4/19/2006</i>

MR_MiKE25
04-19-2006, 08:45 PM
The new Santa Fe is being aimed at the Highlander and Pilot, but I still think its too small, especially considering the Rav4 and next CR-V have grown. The new Rav4 is only slightly smaller than the current Highlander, so while Hyundai tried to push the Santa Fe up a notch, the Rav4 and Cr-V have moved up with it.

Superfresa
04-19-2006, 08:57 PM
wo, wo... Rav4 has 3 rows of seats? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
04-19-2006, 09:12 PM
Yeah it does in the US.... but only there i think... even though our RAV4 over here is the same size as the one in the US. I think Toyota Australia chose to leave the third row out, and offer it in the Kluger as it does.<p>And with no V6 in the RAV4 in Australia, just imagine how bad a third row would be.... the media are already complainin the cars too heavy now and needs a more powerful engine. I think Toyota Australia should have just suck with the RAV4 sold in Japan and Europe... it makes more sense.<p>As for the Outlander.... if they bring the V6 to Australia itll kill the RAV4... and srsly the Outlander looks heaps good and alot better equiped then the RAV4 (in Australia) i think.

anonms
04-20-2006, 01:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But third row seats are useless in compact SUVs, so it doesn't matter. Some small airplane seats are worse than those <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"><p>RAV4World.com user have called the 2nd row seats worse as far as comfort goes... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Comfort is subjective. I sat in a RAV4, and the 2nd row felt much better than the 2nd row in my mom's CR-V.<p>As for the third row in compact SUVs, it's just as Mistu advertises it-- emergency seats for children just in case you need it. But the comfort of the seat itself depends on the design of the seat. Lackluster leg room (for semi-masochistic midget Asian boys like me who don't mind 32-seat pitch economy class seats) can be compensated IMO with comfortable seats.

syadasti
04-20-2006, 04:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Comfort is subjective. I sat in a RAV4, and the 2nd row felt much better than the 2nd row in my mom's CR-V.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Also sitting in a seat for a minute or two in the showroom is a worthless test. Try taking along trip for hours in it and then you can talk about it.<p>Some seats they tend to "break-in" after you have been using them for a while and they get more comfortable.<p>The best non-luxury brand seats I've had were in the Mazda 6 when I lived in New Zealand. VWs seats, especially the upgraded ones, look pretty comfortable too, but I've never owned those.

evomk8
04-20-2006, 06:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Comfort is subjective. I sat in a RAV4, and the 2nd row felt much better than the 2nd row in my mom's CR-V.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Also sitting in a seat for a minute or two in the showroom is a worthless test. Try taking along trip for hours in it and then you can talk about it.<p>Some seats they tend to "break-in" after you have been using them for a while and they get more comfortable.<p>The best non-luxury brand seats I've had were in the Mazda 6 when I lived in New Zealand. VWs seats, especially the upgraded ones, look pretty comfortable too, but I've never owned those.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I took a 20 minute test drive in the new RAV-4 and felt that the 2nd row was very comfortable (you can recline the seat-back). The 3rd row seats are also quite comfortable, at 5'7" I did not feel too cramped back there. As I mentioned earlier, a trip back there would be OK for me.

anonms
04-20-2006, 06:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also sitting in a seat for a minute or two in the showroom is a worthless test. Try taking along trip for hours in it and then you can talk about it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'll be honest here: I can get into a comfortable position in any seat, no matter how uncomfortable others may deem it. I can get (almost) comfortable in high school hard plastic chairs. I can relax in economy class seats.<p>So I guess I'm not too good of a judge as to the comfort of a seat. But Honda's seats are... kinda stiff.<p>As for Mitsibishi, my cousin's Virage isn't very comfortable (maybe because of the combination of fake leather and faux suede).

syadasti
04-20-2006, 01:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'll be honest here: I can get into a comfortable position in any seat, no matter how uncomfortable others may deem it. I can get (almost) comfortable in high school hard plastic chairs. I can relax in economy class seats.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A well designed ergonomic seat does not have to be soft or real leather or whatever silly unrelated criteria.<p>Often really soft chairs do not feel good/aren't good for you back/circulation after prolonged usage.<p>Sit in a seat for a few hours and you'll know.<p>On a long drive in some cars my @ss goes numb, sitting in it for 15-20 minutes isn't going to tell me if it hurts my back or impedes blood circulation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

evomk8
04-20-2006, 01:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>On a long drive in some cars my @ss goes numb, sitting in it for 15-20 minutes isn't going to tell me if it hurts my back or impedes blood circulation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Just wait 'till you get my age... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'll get a numb ass, stiff leg and back-ache within about 45 minutes to an hour of driving, even in my current car of 5 years... (hmm maybe the cusion's all worn out... another reason to get a new car this fall...) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
04-20-2006, 02:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>evomk8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just wait 'till you get my age... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I already occasionally get hemorrhoids from my sedentary job <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

evomk8
04-20-2006, 03:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well I already occasionally get hemorrhoids from my sedentary job <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oooh, TMI... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I am actually having second thoughts about getting a small CUV with the prospect of ever increasing gas prices... We are quickly approaching the inflation adjusted price levels of the Oil crisis period <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Current hybrid prices are still too high and the fuel economy gains are negated by the increase in potential running/maintenance costs...<br>I may just get another four-door sedan... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

carmaniac
04-27-2006, 11:39 AM
US Press Release from WCF:<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/jcf/newsID/2060427.008/mitsubishi/2007-mitsubishi-outlander-details-usa" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/ne...s-usa</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060427.008/2060427.008.1M.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3051017.002/1046.jpg" BORDER="0">

nismo
04-27-2006, 12:02 PM
It looks so good... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I can't wait to see more of the new Mitsubishis. I like their new styling direction so much.<p>WHY NO 4CYL, MITSUBISHI?!

knihc2008
04-27-2006, 12:10 PM
The center console looks really... plain, like it's missing a few buttons. Anyone else think so?

JBlair
04-27-2006, 12:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The center console looks really... plain, like it's missing a few buttons. Anyone else think so?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It might be because of the navigation screen, since there would likely be all the radiot buttons and such in its place.

mitsupwr
04-27-2006, 01:53 PM
there will be a 4 cyl version. this came from a friend at MMNA. it just will not be released right away. it will be the 2.4 liter global engine.

sashok
04-27-2006, 03:39 PM
Wow! This will definetly be on our rather short shopping list when my girlfriend is going to get hers!!! When is this going on sale? Fall?

syadasti
04-27-2006, 03:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow! This will definetly be on our rather short shopping list when my girlfriend is going to get hers!!! When is this going on sale? Fall?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes fall.<p>Outlander is dominating in Japan:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>NEW MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER JAPANS BEST-SELLING SUV<p>19,000 sales since launch in mid-October<p>Customer confidence demonstrated</b><p>European launch to follow<p><b>Since its home market launch in October 2005, the all-new Mitsubishi Outlander has amassed more sales than any other SUV in Japan, placing it not only ahead of its own sales targets but also well ahead of the competition.<p>Accumulated sales of 18,921 put new Outlander at the top of the 6-month October-March SUV sales chart, ahead of the Toyota Harrier* and Toyota RAV4; Outlander was also top seller in November, December and February. Outlanders closest rivals (Toyota RAV4 and Nissan X-Trail) each registered over 4,000 fewer sales than Outlander**, which outsells the Honda CR-V by more than three-to-one***. With an original sales target of 2,000 per month, new Outlanders to-date sales figure represents an achievement rate of almost 160%.</b><p>A little over a year after Mitsubishi Motors Corporations new business plan was announced, the consistently strong sales of new Outlander show how confidence in the Mitsubishi brand - with an enviable heritage and fresh approach to design - is rapidly returning. Another Mitsubishi newcomer, the cleverly-engineered and futuristically-designed i, is also posting impressive sales figures. In its first month of sales, i sold to 6,025 customers, against a target of 5,000.<p><b>Mitsubishi sales in Japan have now increased every month (when compared to the same month of the previous year) for the last 11 months (May 2005 to March 2006)****. When placed within the context of an increasingly competitive Japanese market that actually shrank slightly in 2005 (4.75 mio sales in CY 2005 vs. 4.77 mio sales in CY 2004)****, these results are even more significant.</b><p>New Outlander will soon be making a similar impact in export markets: its debut at the New York Auto Show on April 14th will be followed by its European debut during the first quarter of 2007. Landing right in the heart of the European mid-size SUV segment, new Outlander will doubtless make a contribution to the increasing success of Mitsubishi Motors in Europe (whose sales of 265,685 in 2005 represented an increase of 17.7% vs. 2004).<p>* Lexus RX in Europe<p>** Source: MMC, sales figures October 1st, 2005 - March 31st ,2006<p>*** Source: Japan Automobile Dealers Association, sales figures October 1st, 2005 - March 31st, 2006<p>**** Source: Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, Inc. <p><A HREF="http://www.mitsubishipress.co.uk/protected/releases/2006/200406mit-.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mitsubishipress.co....-.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

Nurburgring
04-27-2006, 06:12 PM
This might be what Mitsubishi needs yet if price range doesnt work, many will probably consider the Santa Fe. Its cheap yet Highlander-sized. This is a 50/50 for me, the Santa Fe and the Outlander. The inside looks very plain even without the navi.

mitsupwr
04-28-2006, 10:07 AM
heres a link to u.s spec photos<br><A HREF="http://media.mitsubishicars.com/Photos?model=&kw=&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://media.mitsubishicars.co...age=1</A><br>

nismo
04-28-2006, 10:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mitsupwr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there will be a 4 cyl version. this came from a friend at MMNA. it just will not be released right away. it will be the 2.4 liter global engine.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>good to hear... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

indie66
04-28-2006, 02:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAZDA5GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This might be what Mitsubishi needs yet if price range doesnt work, many will probably consider the Santa Fe. Its cheap yet Highlander-sized. This is a 50/50 for me, the Santa Fe and the Outlander. The inside looks very plain even without the navi.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Certainly in Europe this WILL NOT be the case. Mitsubishi enjoys are far better reputation than Hyundai there, and most people will cross shop this with Toyotas and Hondas. Hyundai really isn't in the same market in Europe like it is in the USA. They are still seen as cheap cars, and most people wouldn't be seen dead with one on their driveway...

Gian86
07-03-2006, 10:30 PM
I guess, the U.K/Europe version would look bit different with a prototype version of Outlander, here's link:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20200" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20200</A><p>That looks different to Japanese version. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

syadasti
07-28-2006, 09:09 AM
Edmunds First Drive - <A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=116296" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...16296</A>

nismo
07-28-2006, 11:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Edmunds First Drive - <A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=116296" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...16296</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good review... Mitsubishi may have a hit on their hands. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

mononeo
07-31-2006, 04:49 PM
This probably could've been a popular product if the Hyundai Santa Fe didn't exist. The Santa Fe is cheaper, has more power, and is higher quality...so I don't really see any reason why this will succeed. Mitsubishi, at least where I am from, is known as the worst of the worst brands..below even peoples' perceptions of Hyundai and Kia five years ago..that's where they are today. So I don't know how they are going to overcome their current problems with half-baked ideas like having a 30GB HD in the navigation system.<p>The fact of the matter is that Mitsubishi won't want to, or won't be able to sell this vehicle for cheaper than a RAV-4, CR-V, or Santa Fe, and that's why it won't sell. Not because it isn't a decent product, because it is.

SV
07-31-2006, 05:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This probably could've been a popular product if the Hyundai Santa Fe didn't exist. The Santa Fe is cheaper, has more power, and is higher quality...so I don't really see any reason why this will succeed. Mitsubishi, at least where I am from, is known as the worst of the worst brands..below even peoples' perceptions of Hyundai and Kia five years ago..that's where they are today. So I don't know how they are going to overcome their current problems with half-baked ideas like having a 30GB HD in the navigation system.<p>The fact of the matter is that Mitsubishi won't want to, or won't be able to sell this vehicle for cheaper than a RAV-4, CR-V, or Santa Fe, and that's why it won't sell. Not because it isn't a decent product, because it is. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>are prices even out yet? and i'm sure you would know the santa fe is higher quality than the outlander, having sat in both of them. oh wait, what's that? you havent? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV at 7:43 PM 7/31/2006</i>

JBlair
07-31-2006, 05:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This probably could've been a popular product if the Hyundai Santa Fe didn't exist. The Santa Fe is cheaper, has more power, and is higher quality...so I don't really see any reason why this will succeed. Mitsubishi, at least where I am from, is known as the worst of the worst brands..below even peoples' perceptions of Hyundai and Kia five years ago..that's where they are today. So I don't know how they are going to overcome their current problems with half-baked ideas like having a 30GB HD in the navigation system.<p>The fact of the matter is that Mitsubishi won't want to, or won't be able to sell this vehicle for cheaper than a RAV-4, CR-V, or Santa Fe, and that's why it won't sell. Not because it isn't a decent product, because it is. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>What is half-baked about having a hard-drive in the nav system? It makes the nav operate A LOT faster than DVD or CD based systems, AND it means you can rip CDs directly to it in order to have music stored directly on the car. If you'd also kindly notice, the only other manufacturers to offer a similar system are LUXURY brands, making this Mitsubishi one step ahead of the competition.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by JBlair at 9:07 PM 7/31/2006</i>

evomk8
07-31-2006, 06:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This probably could've been a popular product if the Hyundai Santa Fe didn't exist. The Santa Fe is cheaper, has more power, and is higher quality...so I don't really see any reason why this will succeed. Mitsubishi, at least where I am from, is known as the worst of the worst brands..below even peoples' perceptions of Hyundai and Kia five years ago..that's where they are today. So I don't know how they are going to overcome their current problems with half-baked ideas like having a 30GB HD in the navigation system.<p>The fact of the matter is that Mitsubishi won't want to, or won't be able to sell this vehicle for cheaper than a RAV-4, CR-V, or Santa Fe, and that's why it won't sell. Not because it isn't a decent product, because it is. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Please stick to actual facts and please qualify your statements as opinion.<br>You are way off base here. We may be "mere" enthusiasts, but, in my humble opinion, that doe not mean we can spew nosense and conjecture at will. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
08-01-2006, 04:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This probably could've been a popular product if the Hyundai Santa Fe didn't exist. The Santa Fe is cheaper, has more power, and is higher quality...so I don't really see any reason why this will succeed. Mitsubishi, at least where I am from, is known as the worst of the worst brands..below even peoples' perceptions of Hyundai and Kia five years ago..that's where they are today. So I don't know how they are going to overcome their current problems with half-baked ideas like having a 30GB HD in the navigation system.<p>The fact of the matter is that Mitsubishi won't want to, or won't be able to sell this vehicle for cheaper than a RAV-4, CR-V, or Santa Fe, and that's why it won't sell. Not because it isn't a decent product, because it is. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The new Outlander already beat the new RAV4 (which is one of the best selling in its segment in the US right now) in its HOME market - the buyers spoke and the new Outlander is better. Toyota has normally garnered 50+% of the market there for years, but new RAV4 wasn't good enough. If you were following this thread you would have seen this above (updated figure reported at 20,041 sales in Japan, October 2005-May 2006):<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NEW MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER JAPANS BEST-SELLING SUV<p>19,000 sales since launch in mid-October<p>Since its home market launch in October 2005, the all-new Mitsubishi Outlander has amassed more sales than any other SUV in Japan, placing it not only ahead of its own sales targets but also well ahead of the competition.<p><b>Accumulated sales of 18,921 put new Outlander at the top of the 6-month October-March SUV sales chart, ahead of the Toyota Harrier* and Toyota RAV4; Outlander was also top seller in November, December and February. Outlanders closest rivals (Toyota RAV4 and Nissan X-Trail) each registered over 4,000 fewer sales than Outlander**, which outsells the Honda CR-V by more than three-to-one***. With an original sales target of 2,000 per month, new Outlanders to-date sales figure represents an achievement rate of almost 160%.</b></TD></TR></TABLE><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 10:37 AM 8/1/2006</i>

mononeo
08-01-2006, 02:09 PM
The Japanese market and American markets are completely different. Americans aren't too appreciative of Mitsubishi quality, it would seem (and I'm not citing any information on this other than the fact that as of late their products have not been resonating with American consumers, thus their impending doom and the fears of a US pull out). Additionally, the US dealership network is in shambles, so even if the Outlander is the best small SUV around, it probably won't make much difference. Also, I think the awards and accolades on the Hyundai corporate mantle are more than enough to show everyone that Hyundai is indeed a maker of better products than Mitsubishi... Isn't the GEMA line of engines designed by Hyundai yet used by Mitsubishi and DCX?<p>Also, having a hard-drive in a car is a half-baked idea for a lot of reasons. First of all, ripping music into your car is not a good idea. You can't sync your car properly with alternative devices like an iPod, or your PC...so it'll result in you having this library of music that will always be a couple steps behind your iPod, for example. Not to mention how intuitive a system like this will be to consumers such as senior citizens. Older people will not see the benefits, and it'll just scare them away. Also, to say that having a HD in a car is better because it will allow for better data access than DVDs is kind of odd as soon as you consider the fact that solid-state memory (FLASH) now can be had for relatively cheap in amounts up to 10GB, which is more than enough to hold navigation information...Might I reinforce the fact that it is not only CHEAPER, but also FASTER than a hard-drive. This is why having a hard-drive in a car is a half-baked idea...the only hard-drive a car should have is an iPod or other portable music device that will be able to sync with a PC and create a more harmonious driving experience. This system does not add to more harmonious owning experience...in fact, for a lot of consumers it'll do exactly the opposite. <p>Ripping CDs into your car? How are you going to type out all the file names?? How are you going to organize them on your system? How easy is that going to be?<p>But I will remind you that I wasn't "dissing" the Outlander at all. I was pointing out the fact that if Mitsubishi had a little more foresight, this could've been a real big hit...but now, and THIS IS MY OPINION which will only prove itself true however much you have distaste for it, this vehicle will not be anything more than a ripple in the tide of small SUVs. Are we even sure that Mitsubishi USA will still be in business in time for this vehicle to launch in the US?<p>ALSO: I'd like to point out that I have seen the new Outlander when I went to Japan recently. I had to ride in one a couple times. It's not that great...and we kept on having problems with the third row headrests getting stuck and not being able to get them down, which just reinforced opinions...but I did see quite a few of them on the road. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Almost all of them seem to be silver.

JBlair
08-01-2006, 05:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Also, having a hard-drive in a car is a half-baked idea for a lot of reasons. First of all, ripping music into your car is not a good idea. You can't sync your car properly with alternative devices like an iPod, or your PC...so it'll result in you having this library of music that will always be a couple steps behind your iPod, for example. Not to mention how intuitive a system like this will be to consumers such as senior citizens. Older people will not see the benefits, and it'll just scare them away. Also, to say that having a HD in a car is better because it will allow for better data access than DVDs is kind of odd as soon as you consider the fact that solid-state memory (FLASH) now can be had for relatively cheap in amounts up to 10GB, which is more than enough to hold navigation information...Might I reinforce the fact that it is not only CHEAPER, but also FASTER than a hard-drive. This is why having a hard-drive in a car is a half-baked idea...the only hard-drive a car should have is an iPod or other portable music device that will be able to sync with a PC and create a more harmonious driving experience. This system does not add to more harmonious owning experience...in fact, for a lot of consumers it'll do exactly the opposite. <p>Ripping CDs into your car? How are you going to type out all the file names?? How are you going to organize them on your system? How easy is that going to be?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Solid state memory is in short supply and WILL NOT be generally available for uses other than MP3 players and flash Hybrid harddrives for the Vista OS hardware launches. Besides, hard drives aren't as fragile as some people may think, especially if they're properly protected. And the fact still remains that flash drives of that size (actual flash hard drives, not banks of flash memory like MP3 players use), are still prohibitively expensive compared to hard drives. Hard drives do indeed speed up navigation systems, which is why you'll start to see ALL manufacturers move to them, and the hard drives will most likely come preloaded with the GraceNote music database that is the gold standard of album info. Although the technology will surely evolve to be more user friendly, the mere fact that the Outlander HAS it is notable.

nismo
08-01-2006, 11:49 PM
Say what you please but as the good reviews begin to trickle in the market will soon after take notice. Its a well rounded SUV and if priced right it will sway consumers. Not everyone in the US thinks Mitsubishi's are unreliable or lack quality, in fact I don't know anyone personally that would choose a Hyundai over a Mitsubishi (which you continue to compare it to). This "perceived" idea that Mitsubishis are unreliable is mostly in concern to the JDM market, their sales in the US are down because of product whether that be styling or being outdated. But now they have products coming out that are competitive and with styling that most consumers will like. With this coming out this Fall, the new Lancer coming out next spring/summer, and they have begun their new design language(no more split grill, etc.) Mitsu will be very competitive these coming years.

mononeo
08-02-2006, 01:51 AM
A couple things: solid state memory is available in large quantities (especially considering that the number of Outlanders that would be so equipped is very small in comparison to MP3 player sales)... Haven't you ever heard of the iPod nano?? Also, the launch of Windows Vista OS has nothing to do with flash memory...at all. <p>The reason why I draw comparisons between Hyundai and Mitsubishi is their similar product portfolios... Mitsubishi is more similar to Hyundai currently than they are to Honda or Toyota. Anyway, I kind of think it's funny that someone says that they don't know of anyone that would take a Hyundai over a Mitsubishi...but I think it's more the other way around...and the sales are evidence. Mitsubishi down down down. It will be interesting to see how the review of the vehicle pan out, but I wouldn't count on them to mean very much. After all, the Mitsubishi Endeavor did well in magazines initially, but sales never really materialized to a degree they could have... I've never even seen one on the road. The Outlander is a decent product, but that is not why it will have trouble selling. The brand management is very poor, and public perception is correspondingly very poor. Mitsubishi could benefit from a re-launch of the brand or a name change with the addition of longer warranties and lower prices. They could re-position themselves as the city car brand by introducing cars like the Colt here...but one thing is for sure, more of the same isn't going to work because it hasn't so far.

syadasti
08-02-2006, 05:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A couple things: solid state memory is available in large quantities (especially considering that the number of Outlanders that would be so equipped is very small in comparison to MP3 player sales)... Haven't you ever heard of the iPod nano?? Also, the launch of Windows Vista OS has nothing to do with flash memory...at all. </TD></TR></TABLE><br> <A HREF="http://news.com.com/Apple+lines+up+for+Intel-Micron+flash/2100-1004_3-5964565.html" TARGET="_blank">Apple is investing billions to corner the market/secure a good supply of memory for their DAP (digital audio players) - they wouldn't lock their money up in these agreements if flash memory wasn't going to be tight supply</A>. <A HREF="http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2218/060616mobilevista/" TARGET="_blank">Window Vista recommends hybrid HDDs (which use flash) for certain applications and will be REQUIRED for certain product certifications</A>. Both of these and other factors WILL make the flash market tighter in regards to supply since millions of products will now need flash memory in large quantities.<p>HDDs ARE the next evolution in GPS units - both OEM and aftermarket. Higher end units now use HDDs, not high capacity flash memory [yet] (07 G35 - HDD, Chrysler MyGiG - HDD, Honda OEM HDD GPS in Japan, top of the line Pioneer and Eclipse aftermarket head units, Garmin aftermarket, Magellan aftermarket, Tomtom aftermarket, Navman aftermarket, etc etc)<p>You may have a point here and there about Mitsubishi, but try to stick with facts rather than BS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 5:31 AM 8/2/2006</i>

mitsupwr
08-02-2006, 02:28 PM
hyundai in most peoples mind is a throw away car. the reason they sell so well is they are cheap pieces of junk that the below average joe can afford. people dont buy hyundais because they want to its because they have too. my old boss is the service manager for a mitsu/hyundai dealer and all he does is complain about how much warranty he has to do on these cars and when there is a customer pay issue they never fix it because they cant afford it. when you compare a mitsu to hyundai makes me wonder what your on and where does the rest of the"world " get it.

mononeo
08-02-2006, 02:53 PM
Regardless of what supposed service managers will tell you, there is obviously a reason why Mitsubishi may pull out of the US market and that Hyundai is in no danger of doing so.<p>That being said, while I do see with your information (thanks) that flash memory will be in short supply, the number of vehicles with navigation systems that could potentially offer it are still very small in comparison to MP3 player and RAM sales...which still leads me to believe it'd be possible to get it in the nav systems...but even if we all agree or disagree on the viability of HDs in cars like the Outlander, don't we all think that it'd be beneficial to be able to sync your car with your home computer, and MP3 player via a wireless network?.. That'd make uploading and organizing any information or music onto the system much easier. Also, it'd allow for updates to the nav system to be downloaded from the internet. Are there any plans to allow the system to do so?

syadasti
08-02-2006, 03:45 PM
Quite a few automakers aren't doing so hot right now, so that doesn't really prove anything (BTW Mitsubishi sales were up 1.2% compared to last July but 22 of 34 US market auto brands sales were DOWN for July). Mitsubishi has an aging product line just about to be replaced by new models - always a lull period for most brands. Consumer Reports ratings for their old vehicles are good and in general rank above average in most categories. Evo is a very well known and regarded model with better engineering than the US popular Subaru WRX. Hyundai is still nothing but a plain vanilla budget segment brand - they have no real flagship/sports model to speak of and none of their products are regarded as exciting or innovative like Mitsubishi who is known for their advanced electronic AWD/traction control, turbocharged engines, tough 4WDs(meaning SUV and Trucks for Yanks), and rally cars. Also Mitsubishi is the first brand to sell a modern direct injection gasoline engine which almost every major automaker now sells in some form/market. It follows that most people don't rank Hyundai higher for brand appeal but for low-end segment value and satisfaction.<p>Thats why when Honda's luxury brand Acura wanted to build their first ever turbocharged drivetrain, who did they turn to - thats right, the experts at Mitsubishi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"Edmunds First Drive - RDX"</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Developed in conjunction with Mitsubishi, this variable-flow turbo is meant to combine the best qualities of small and large turbos. Electronically controlled, a special valve increases exhaust gas velocity into the turbo housing at low speeds by restricting the inlet area, enabling the impeller to speed up more quickly. At higher engine speeds where gas flow is abundant, the valve opens progressively to maintain optimum flow.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mitsubishi - innovative and technologically advance. Hyundai - a follower that aims to mass produce boredom. That is the reality of the brands.<p>HDD GPS ARE the current high end, there is no if, and, or but - thats how the market is right now (the low-end still uses DVD or low capacity flash(with or without memory car slots for additional storage). Currently Wifi is too immature for most consumers(unreliable, complex, and poor performing to reach your car in your garage or on the street). The Chrysler MyGiG has the right idea with CD or USB transfer options. It also has a aux in port for a portable DAP if you don't want to bother to fill it up. Flash memory won't become the norm for GPS for at least a few years if prices and availability for flash memory become acceptable for electronics makers. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by syadasti at 11:44 AM 8/5/2006</i>

knicks125
08-02-2006, 05:02 PM
This thread is getting off-topic. Let's re-group, shall we?<p>Feel free to start a thread in the General Auto Discussion section.

JBlair
08-07-2006, 01:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Also, the launch of Windows Vista OS has nothing to do with flash memory...at all. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, it has a great deal to do with it because Vista supports something called a Hybrid Hard Drive, in which a regular platter-based hard drive is paired with several gigabytes of flash memory. MOST if not ALL so-called Vista premium systems MUST contain those hard drives, which will cause an even greater strain on the already low supply of high capacity NAND flash memory. Once Vista starts shipping on systems from the factory, it will be hard for any company, including Apple, to add more flash-based anything into the market because the memory modules will simply NOT be there to add.

evomk8
08-08-2006, 12:43 PM
I find it to be premature and unproductive to make predictions about an unreleased vehicle's potential sales success. Nor do I find it necessary to belittle a carmaker.<br>However, the Outlander is a new vehicle in a crowded market that is only going to get more crowded. <br>From that standpoint, having a postive and strong brand image and focused PR and marketing is a necessity.<br>It appears true that Mitsubishi seems to lack the brand image and has been/is not doing enough PR/marketing to reposition itself in U.S. consumers minds.<br>However, as with Nissan and the Altima, a strong product line-up can go a long way to sway consumer perception.<br>IMO, the Outlander, Lancer and Evo X could very well be that fortune-changing line-up Mitsubishi needs.

evomk8
10-09-2006, 01:20 PM
Mitsubishi has released pricing for the Outlander.<br>They're even offering an additional discount for early buyers.<p><A HREF="http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/10/09/024470.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.theautochannel.com/....html</A>

Mil
10-09-2006, 01:23 PM
Mitsubishi need more buyers, the old model didnt sell well at all by what i can see.<br>But i expect this one to sell very well, its much better equiped and designed then the previous model.

Nurburgring
10-09-2006, 02:20 PM
Wow, I really like the pricing of this. Even with all the options added, it's still below 30K. If I was in the market for a compact SUV, it would be this or the Santa Fe.

nismo
10-09-2006, 02:25 PM
I love this SUV, after seeing it in person its one of my favorites. A sure sign of good things to come from Mitsubishi.<p>I just noticed you posted the pricing here I just posted it in the Rumors/News section. Its priced similar to the competitors 4-cylinders and looks way better than them IMO.

evomk8
10-09-2006, 02:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I love this SUV, after seeing it in person its one of my favorites. A sure sign of good things to come from Mitsubishi.<p>I just noticed you posted the pricing here I just posted it in the Rumors/News section. Its priced similar to the competitors 4-cylinders and looks way better than them IMO. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMO, it's definately GOOD news. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
10-09-2006, 03:17 PM
This is probably the first Mitsubishi that really impresses me, but I just have some personal gripes with Mitsubishi.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by anonms at 4:32 PM 10/9/2006</i>

carfanatic
10-09-2006, 03:22 PM
high res pics of the Outlander "Urban"<p><A HREF="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/index.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carphotosite.com/mo...x.php</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/500/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban_002.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/500/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban_010.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>the interior kinda looks like the new rav4...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/500/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban_027.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Toyota/2006.Toyota.RAV4.Limited/500/2006.Toyota.RAV4.Limited_015.jpg" BORDER="0">

syadasti
10-09-2006, 03:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is probably the first Mitsubishi that really impresses me, but I just have some personal gripes with Mitsubishi (if you have any family in millitary, you ought not to be driving a Mitsubishi...).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you kidding, what does the past generation have to do with the present? Guess you'll have to cross German cars off your list too. Don't forget Henry Ford supported the Nazis, you shouldn't buy a Ford either <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

syadasti
10-09-2006, 03:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carfanatic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>the interior kinda looks like the new rav4...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You mean the RAV4 looks like the new Outlander. It came out in Japan BEFORE the new RAV4 made its world debut <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

carfanatic
10-09-2006, 03:59 PM
oh, I didn't know that...

anonms
10-09-2006, 04:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syadasti</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You mean the RAV4 looks like the new Outlander. It came out in Japan BEFORE the new RAV4 made its world debut <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, because of the duration of developent cycles, all we can say is that this is a horrible coincidence, as well evidence of converging styling trends, something that's occuring all over.

Nurburgring
10-09-2006, 06:11 PM
OK, what's with the third row headrests...or the seats for that matter...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/500/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban_024.jpg" BORDER="0">

Nurburgring
10-09-2006, 06:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mitsupwr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hyundai in most peoples mind is a throw away car. the reason they sell so well is they are cheap pieces of junk that the below average joe can afford. people dont buy hyundais because they want to its because they have too. my old boss is the service manager for a mitsu/hyundai dealer and all he does is complain about how much warranty he has to do on these cars and when there is a customer pay issue they never fix it because they cant afford it. when you compare a mitsu to hyundai makes me wonder what your on and where does the rest of the"world " get it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What kind of a piece of **** did you say? You have the friggin wrong idea. You're probably the only person (maybe you and your old boss) who thinks Hyundais are <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mitsupwr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cheap pieces of junk</TD></TR></TABLE>. Catch up to society. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
10-09-2006, 06:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AUDIR8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, what's with the third row headrests...or the seats for that matter...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/500/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban_024.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>IIRC, something to do with European regulations?<p>If that's not the case, then my guess is cost-cutting-- the seat does look kinda cheap.

nismo
10-09-2006, 06:42 PM
The headrests are for euro safety regulations if I'm not mistaken and the seats are like "that" so they can fold away completely flat not to be "cheap".

anonms
10-09-2006, 07:17 PM
The RAV4's seats can fold completely flat and look to have more cushioning.

evomk8
10-09-2006, 08:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The RAV4's seats can fold completely flat and look to have more cushioning.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Very true. Toyota opted for the full-size spare on the rear swing-open door, which freed up more under-floor space to fit the seats.<br>Mitsubishi wanted to have a tail-gate and a folding third row. So, they have a donut spare and less under-floor space to fit the third row into...<br>It's a trade-off...

Gian86
10-25-2006, 09:03 PM
Sydney Motor show pics featured production version of euro outlander:<p><IMG SRC="http://carsguide.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5285876,00.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: carsguide.com.au

cheongyei
10-25-2006, 11:59 PM
Nice Model. . .the cars okay, too.

the1
11-10-2006, 08:12 AM
Euro Outlander<p><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_01_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_02_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_03_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_04_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_05_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_06_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_07_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/091106_outlander_08_big.jpg" BORDER="0">

silviaS15
11-10-2006, 08:35 AM
the front of the Asian/Amercian Outlander looks better I think without that split grille.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carview.co.jp/road_impression/outlander/photo_imp/images/05_l.jpg" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
11-10-2006, 08:37 AM
Thank god the mitsubishi beak is gone! This actually looks stunning.

spwolf
11-10-2006, 01:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>-R8-</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, what's with the third row headrests...or the seats for that matter...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carphotosite.com/modelpages/Mitsubishi/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban/500/2007.Mitsubishi.Outlander.Urban_024.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>that looks embaressing :-).<p>Its an nice car, reat seats are not that functional (both 2nd and 3rd row)...

against the wall
11-10-2006, 01:28 PM
wow, the 3rd row doesnt even look remotely appealing to sit in.

knihc2008
11-10-2006, 02:30 PM
I really think they should have kept the Mitsubishi triangle in the grille. The euro version looks ten times more interesting to look at with the triangle than the American version, which is just plain, flat and boring up front without it.

spwolf
11-10-2006, 05:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow, the 3rd row doesnt even look remotely appealing to sit in.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>my back would fit, but my head would be wedged between head rests :-).<p>Seriously, I would be embarassed to show this to the customer. I never saw such ugly design for the headrests... now most cars that need them small, have them integrated in the seatback, so you pull it up. That way it saves even more space and it looks nice.

syadasti
11-10-2006, 05:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>my back would fit, but my head would be wedged between head rests :-).<p>Seriously, I would be embarassed to show this to the customer. I never saw such ugly design for the headrests... now most cars that need them small, have them integrated in the seatback, so you pull it up. That way it saves even more space and it looks nice.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As it is with the kiddie seats in the RAV4 or any other compact SUV with three rows Mr. Toyota salesman <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> Since they don't have growth problems at least you won't have all the defects Toyota has been having lately <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I like the Euro snout.

against the wall
11-10-2006, 05:15 PM
they dont even look that safe and supportive....

syadasti
11-10-2006, 05:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they dont even look that safe and supportive....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMHO third rows aren't even that great in most mid sized SUVs. I wouldn't want one in a vehicle that small...

Hornbag
11-10-2006, 05:27 PM
The Euro version looks great. Much more interesting than the other versions IMO. Since that was the one they chose to show at the Sydney Motor Show I hope and I'm expecting they'll bring it here.

nismo
11-10-2006, 06:45 PM
These are really nice in person. Its such an improvement for Mitsu and a good sign of things to come. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
11-10-2006, 06:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Euro version looks great. Much more interesting than the other versions IMO. Since that was the one they chose to show at the Sydney Motor Show I hope and I'm expecting they'll bring it here.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed!<p>I reckon it has potential to be the clear Compact 4X4 winner, at the moment.

silviaS15
11-11-2006, 02:42 AM
these JDM options are cool:<p><A HREF="http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/support/accessory/feature/outlander.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mitsubishi-motors.c....html</A>

Hornbag
11-11-2006, 03:10 AM
The Outlander, Triton, Grandis, Colt and the next Lancer will all look fantastic in the showrooms together. They all have a similar styling direction and they all manage to look near top of class. Mitsubishi is really on a roll with styling, but I wonder if they will both to make this car handle? They didn't with the Colt.

Superfresa
11-11-2006, 03:28 AM
Add the Pajero will ya? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
11-11-2006, 05:12 AM
It still looks like it's from their last styling direction (new nose and inside apart). The cars I was speaking of have a new styling direction which interlinks them. The Pajero is a nice car though.

silviaS15
11-11-2006, 05:39 AM
BTW, speaking about new Pajero, Mitsubishi received 2,200 orders in Japan in the first month (over 3 times the monthly target of 700).<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-g.jp/news/200611/07/topics04/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-g.jp/news/2006....html</A><p>Good news for them.<p>

Superfresa
11-11-2006, 06:12 AM
That is awesome news! I hope it succeeds! Everywhere!

gillani
11-11-2006, 04:38 PM
INSHALLAH by the grace of god mitsubishi motors and especially the pajero will succeed

Hornbag
11-13-2006, 03:40 AM
While this is fantastic new for Mitsubishi, Japan has a habbit of having a very high demand for cars in the first few month of their release and after that sales slump slightly. Still I hope orders in Australia emulate the sucess in Japan. The Pajero is still a better car in many respects.

spwolf
11-13-2006, 07:31 PM
i bet most of those were current owners who want new version, since it hasnt been updated for an century now...

gillani
11-14-2006, 05:39 AM
a thing that is a fact is a fact we are not exaggerating by ourselves but telling the truth you can check out the sales figures or the orders that have been placed to mitsubishi motors japan for the new pajero its 3 times more than the expected

cypher4
12-14-2006, 12:19 PM
<A HREF="http://www.infomotori.co.uk/a_36_EN_15426_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.infomotori.co.uk/a_36_EN_15426_1.html</A><p>European version, for us folks on "the old continent".<p>Can't wait to drive one! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
12-15-2006, 03:44 PM
In New Zealand I've seen heaps of them. Especially when you consider not many new cars are sold here. They looks great, although the window line is a little low to fully pull of that sporty look that appears in the pictures.

boston
12-25-2006, 04:56 PM
Isn't this also the Mitsubishi thats being rebadged as a Citroen and Peugeot....<p>Or are my eyes deceiving me