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kuules
05-22-2005, 01:58 PM
Oficial pics of new Porsche Cayman S<br><A HREF="http://img273.echo.cx/my.php?image=cayman2hm.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img273.echo.cx/img273/8645/cayman2hm.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img273.echo.cx/my.php?image=cayman23im.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img273.echo.cx/img273/3605/cayman23im.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img211.echo.cx/my.php?image=cayman35dy.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img211.echo.cx/img211/696/cayman35dy.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><br>Porsche Cayman S<br>Power: 295 HP<br>Top Speed: 275 kph<br>Performance: 0-100 kph in 5.4 sec<br>Max. Torque: 340 Nm between 4400 and 6000 rpm<p>(C) rennteam.com

Andre
05-22-2005, 02:16 PM
Once again, Huckdfelt was spot on.<p>Looks nice, but I don't know if it fits the Crocodile motif that well

kuules
05-22-2005, 02:38 PM
<A HREF="http://img277.echo.cx/my.php?image=cayman119fx.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img277.echo.cx/img277/8554/cayman119fx.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img277.echo.cx/my.php?image=cayman222yy.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img277.echo.cx/img277/199/cayman222yy.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img277.echo.cx/my.php?image=cayman3338zi.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img277.echo.cx/img277/8156/cayman3338zi.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

Charger
05-22-2005, 03:17 PM
Wow, I am so impressed. I like this better than the new 911(not the older body style)

Redline
05-22-2005, 03:54 PM
Wow that is awesome. Performance is right too. I think Porsche overdid this one, unless the price is higher than what has previously been assumed. Lets hope the prestige crowd doesn't go for this so it won't have to be killed for the 911's sake. It shouldn't steal too many sales though.

against the wall
05-22-2005, 04:51 PM
i kinda see the caiman alligator/crocodile or w/e in this car.

AM2K
05-22-2005, 05:36 PM
I definately like this car... probably the best overall design by porsche out of their current generation of vehicles..<p>Sorry if its already been asked, but is this car priced higher or lower than a Boxster?

Player4
05-22-2005, 05:42 PM
WOW, looks very nice!!! Side profile looks like a real Cayman (crocodile). Love it!! Wish the tail lamps were a bit diff to make it look diff from the Boxter's though, but its ok.

mzoltarp
05-22-2005, 07:59 PM
This will take 911 sales hand over fist. It's bold and exciting whereas the 911 is bland beyond belief. The 911s should all be turbos of various intensity to give people a reason to buy a 911.

turbonium959
05-22-2005, 08:11 PM
Wow, I am pretty impressed with this car. However, I do find the roofline being a bit too bulbous, and the wheels seem to be slightly small for the car. But I would LOVE to test drive this baby... 295 ponnies, rear wheel drive, MID-engine! What more can you ask for? I guess a low sticker price, or the lottery numbers. But either way, this will be a hot seller!

Designo
05-22-2005, 08:43 PM
Hoooohh my god... this baby is GORGEOUS! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>IMO, this is WHAT the 997 should have looked liked. Although I agree, the roofline is maybe a tad-bit too bulbuous, but hey! it's sort of a "fresh", new design for Porsche (the 997 looks so plain now compared to the Cayman!) What I can't believe is how much nicer this looks over the Boxster, given that this was supposed to be a hardtop version.<p>I agree, it looks like Porsche overdid themselves on this one! My dad was considering getting a 997 or the Cayman, depending on how the Cayman looks. Seems to me we'll have a new Cayman in the family, by the looks of it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
05-22-2005, 09:07 PM
Am I the only one who finds this car a little... awkward? <p>The roof just seems so tall... and the side vents and DLO profile seem a little random to me. Just a little busier than I'm used to, from Porsche. Some designs just look better topless, IMO.

HondaTech
05-22-2005, 09:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Am I the only one who finds this car a little... awkward? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>no

Andre
05-22-2005, 10:00 PM
I think it looks awkward, and that's why I love it. It's such a new design.<p>Kinda like the Element

Reppu
05-23-2005, 01:07 AM
Man, this car is plain perfect. I'd take it over the 911 or the boxter without a doubt.

The Water Is Poison
05-23-2005, 02:42 AM
This thing is just stunning. The taillights and headlights work soooo well with this car!

Petrol Head
05-23-2005, 03:15 AM
This car will be the daddy of handling, the question is, who needs a 911 now? (forgetting about the image).

Hornbag
05-23-2005, 05:23 AM
I see some Aston somewhere in there...<p>But its so nice! The curves are so kool!!! It looks just right!

r3vilo
05-23-2005, 05:37 AM
wot about GT2/ GT3 RS/Turbo versions will they happen?

viggen
05-23-2005, 05:54 AM
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V10
05-23-2005, 08:51 AM
Already waiting for the comparison between cayman and M Z4 coup !!!<p>I guess M coup will be a little faster (acceleration), but cayman will have better handling (seems to have a very low gravity point)

roadster2006
05-23-2005, 08:52 AM
Here is my take on some color choices<p>Since the recently released pictures of the Cayman have come out i decided to color it.<p>Thank You German Car Fans for supplying the pics.<p><B>Porsche Cayman Black</B> <br><A HREF="http://img175.echo.cx/my.php?image=caymanblackcopy9mk.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img175.echo.cx/img175/7466/caymanblackcopy9mk.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><br> <B>Porsche Cayman Clear Blue</B><br><A HREF="http://img267.echo.cx/my.php?image=caymanbluecopy4uc.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img267.echo.cx/img267/1237/caymanbluecopy4uc.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p> <B>Porsche Cayman Enemy Red</B><br><A HREF="http://img68.echo.cx/my.php?image=caymanredcopy1lw.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img68.echo.cx/img68/1647/caymanredcopy1lw.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p> <B>Porsche Cayman Speed Yellow</B><br><A HREF="http://img270.echo.cx/my.php?image=caymanyellowcopy0nl.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img270.echo.cx/img270/9836/caymanyellowcopy0nl.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>For the Heck Of it<br> <B>Porsche Cayman Green</B> <br><A HREF="http://img149.echo.cx/my.php?image=caymangreencopy6fv.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img149.echo.cx/img149/9125/caymangreencopy6fv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

hippoSV
05-23-2005, 10:18 AM
porsche.i understand that the fans/owners want ALL tof the current line-up to look similar;but this is ridiculous.it's not a bad looking car,but oh-so-predictable.the last time porsche tried something completely different(944/924 and the superb 928) they were crucified....damn.<br>i love supercars,but porsche;now followed by ferrari(348/testerossa/355) and lambo(countach/diablo/murcie/gallardo);seem to be<br>drawing on a fixed template.where have the amazing original supercar shapes(countach,testerossa,356 speedster) gone?<br>no,not the enzo(lemans clone),pagani(ditto),<br>slr(any aston) or carrera gt(elise).<br>what a wasted oppurtunity.i was expecting something NEW looking from porsche,not a boxster with a welded-on hardtop.

G35audioman
05-23-2005, 11:18 AM
^^^ Are you serious? You were expecting something totally new? <p>This car IS a boxster with a hardtop...That is what it is intended to be. How can you be dissapointed with that?<p>It looks damn good i might add...

Stint
05-23-2005, 11:25 AM
Here you can find a slideshow:<br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/83337/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...kip=3</A><p>Source: AMS<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Stint at 12:26 PM 5/23/2005</i>

Designo
05-23-2005, 03:42 PM
What a gorgeous piece of art (I'm sure it'll handle like one too!)

Vector
05-23-2005, 03:59 PM
Yes, this IS a "Boxster hardtop." New names aside, it is simply an adaptation of that model. Expecting much more isn't reasonable without a total platform redesign.<p>Before kids n' mortgate, I used to have a 97 Boxster. It was and probably is to this day one of the best handling cars ever made. With the stiffer hardtop chassis and close to 300 hp I suspect this will blow the 911 away. That car might be more of a high speed GT now. I wonder if a Cayman GT3 or racing series car might be in the works?<p>From the side, it does look a little tall but Boxsters have always looked awkward from that angle. The overhangs seem more pronounced in profile. But in "real life" I'm sure this will be stunning.

Andre
05-25-2005, 02:31 PM
Real-life photos:<p><A HREF="http://www.alle-autos-in.de/porsche/porsche_cayman_s_a10067.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.alle-autos-in.de/po...shtml</A>

syclone
05-25-2005, 07:00 PM
I love it - I feel like this is what the new Boxter was intended to be all along, and the convertible was an afterthought. I feel like the roof just blends in with the rear wheel arches better. The front, especially the overhang, seems shorter as well, but I'd imagine its essentially the same.

jahc24
05-30-2005, 04:13 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/97.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/92.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/91.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/94.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/93.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/95.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/2005/cayman/gama/med/96.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>where the motor goes? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Redline
05-30-2005, 04:22 PM
Under that hump where that aluminum strip is would probably be a safe bet. It would suck to work on though. This is undeniably one of the most beautiful cars in recent years. I would definently say this is the most gorgeous Porsche as of late. But I can't help but notice how carefully arranged that luggage in the back is. It must have taken them a while to get it in. Have fun packing for a long trip. Though I'm sure most people will be fine if they can fit a helment in it though.

JBlair
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
Theres also a surprisingly large trunk up front in the nose as well...........

Santeno
05-31-2005, 07:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jahc24</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where the motor goes?</TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Under that hump where that aluminum strip is would probably be a safe bet. It would suck to work on though.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>If this is anything like the Boxster it's based on, and If I'm recalling this correctly, the engine should once again be encapsulated (meaning that the owner can only access a few maintenance functions from above (such as engine oil, water, etc.). I vaguely remember an article about the original boxster which panned the fact that in order to access the engine to do any sort of serious work, the car had to be lifted and the engine accessed from below (or if the work is extensive enough, the engine had to be disengaged and lowered). Perhaps someone who has more intimate knowledge of this can elaborate.

Redline
05-31-2005, 12:20 PM
Looking at the cut away shot, it is under that hump right behind the seats, but looking at the top of the hump, it looks like the whole thing lifts up giving you access to most of the engine. Of course I may be mistaken, and access doesn't equal workability since you would still be stuck sitting in the cargo area with no room to do anything. You probably will still have very little mechanically that you can do on this car, much like on the Boxster.

mc_blue
06-01-2005, 08:04 AM
It's going to be offered with PCCB?<p>Very impressive car, I was used to 'same again' styling by Porsche but this just looks much better proportioned than the 911 to me. A sure-fire winner.

Tidal
06-01-2005, 08:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Raj</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's going to be offered with PCCB?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You can already get PCCB brakes has an option on the Boxster too, i guess they introduced them after the restyling.<p>This car is so amazing i've actually changed my life ambition of eventually owning a 911 to eventually getting my hands on one of these. After all, this is much closer in spirit to what the 911 was 20 years ago when i first wanted one. <br>

Uberwagon
06-02-2005, 04:52 PM
Wow. Incredible. Those 19's take it to another level. I'm in lust. And those trunks are far more useful than you might think. A friend has a Boxster and it's actually quite practical. This will be even better.<p>I'm not sure if I've missed the info but I presume there will be a "standard" lower horsepower Cayman in addition to the "S"? The Cayenne came out first as the Cayenne S (V8) and Turbo (V8 turbo) followed by the standard Cayenne (with Toureg's V6). Seems like Porsche's way these days. And they'll likely sell a lot more with a lower price point.<p>Anyone know?

Redline
06-02-2005, 05:09 PM
Last I heard its only the Cayman S, but that might have changed since last time.

mirage77
06-09-2005, 05:37 AM
IMO the car's design, althought still effective after so many years, is starting to get boring. I'm sure die-hard fans of Porsche will beg to differ, but I feel that it's time for them to start a new design revolution of their own.

syclone
06-09-2005, 03:33 PM
I think it is probably just Cayman S for now, but they did it that way to leave room below it if they decide there is a market. That said, I'd like to see a Cayman Turbo, even if they have to sacrifice some luggage room to fit the blower.

Rugbyplaya91
06-10-2005, 07:39 PM
AAAH. i thought i saw one of theses toda but it was just a boxter, looks real good though, i really like them a lot more now.

Redline
06-13-2005, 04:58 PM
Supposedly it is just the S for now, but a regular version will be offered later.

jlaidler
06-17-2005, 10:13 AM
It's overpriced. Plain and simple. I was waiting to see what was in it to command a premium over the Boxster S, and I'm sorry, sticking the older 911 motor in it just doesn't do it. This car is priced for marketing reasons (protect the 911) and not production reasons and given the competition out there, and compared to the Boxster S, its just plain overpriced. Too bad, Porsche could have given die hard enthusiasts a great car for 5K less than the Boxster S instead of 5K more....

Uberwagon
06-20-2005, 01:25 AM
I don't know, I think I politely disagree with you there. This car beat the 911 around the Nurburgring and is rumored to be a stiffer platform than the new 997. On paper it may seem to be an overpriced Boxster but I think this might be a truly stellar track-star with performance to match the 911. With that car running in the $70k's, this could (and probably will) be seen as a far cheaper way in to that level of performance. <p>Now how about a Cayman GT2?!

Top Secret
06-20-2005, 03:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now how about a Cayman GT2?!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt there will be anything above the Cayman S. Similar situation with the Boxster. It would end up eating away at the sales of the 911 if anything higher was offered. <p>Although, I have heard rumours of a limited edition GT3-style version of the Cayman.

Redline
06-20-2005, 09:30 AM
What people are seriously failing to understand is that this will, in no way, compete with the 911. The 911 is for people that want something classy, this is just for people who want a serious track car that is useful for the street, but can't afford a GT3. No 911 driver is going to pass the 911 up for a Cayman.

Santeno
06-20-2005, 10:23 AM
I disagree with you redline. If I recall correctly when the original boxster came out there wasn't much cross-shopping between it and the 911, but If I recall correctly, as power increased on the boxster cross-shopping started to become an issue. because performance Boxster began to approach that of a 911. With this thing having not just almost-911-like performance, but also very similar looks (better balanced IMO), I can't help but feel that the price difference between the two is so great that many people won't mind going a second or so slower and save $30k.

Naga Royal Guard
06-20-2005, 10:28 AM
can i drive your cayman when you get it?

jlaidler
06-20-2005, 10:40 AM
My point was and I believe it is valid, that marketing (protection of the 911) and not production (cost to produce over a Boxster S) has determined the pricing of this Cayman. <p>Therefore, given that Porsche is not the only car maker out there, the Cayman is overpriced. Perhaps not overpriced compared to the 911, but that was not my point. This car should not cost more than the Boxster S because I will bet you dollars to donuts it costs less to make.<p>Porsche is losing the horsepower wars and last time it thought it was only competing with itself it almost went out of business.

Redline
06-20-2005, 11:27 AM
I'm not saying that people won't get the Cayman over the 911, I'm just saying these cars represent very different markets. The 911 probably won't be used to this market only, but it will adapt to the market. Like I said, the Cayman will probably be for more performance oriented people, whereas the 911 is more of a prestiege thing now.

Uberwagon
06-21-2005, 01:44 PM
I think your point that these cars have different characters is valid but the statement that "No 911 driver is going to pass the 911 up for a Cayman" might be too sweeping. Given the remarkable similarity of performance numbers and arguably better balance of the mid-engine chassis, there will be customers deciding between the two. Porsche themselves admitted that this happened with the 911 Cabrio and Boxster. <p>As for price, perhaps it is overpriced relative to some other cars. But with the 3.4 litre power and the even stiffer chassis, I think it is worth a certain premium over the Boxster S. Porsche has not often been the power-leader in the numerical sense anyway (if you measure by the hp #). But as anyone who has driven a recent 911 or Boxster can attest, their charms lie elsewhere: Light weight, road feel, balance, liquid torque, etc. In this regard, the Cayman may very well be 911's equal.

IcedG35
06-21-2005, 03:25 PM
any word of an AWD version? I guess it would be werid to have another C4 though. <p>It's amazing how the same basic shape has managed to stay so modern and classy looking over the last few decades.

mattthebad
06-22-2005, 06:19 AM
&gt;It's amazing how the same basic shape has managed to stay so modern and classy looking over the last few decades.<p>That's exactly what I think. The Boxster looked really dated to me until the facelift arrived. Porsche managed to add some high-tech look(Porsche GT)to the boxster with only some minor changes. They didn't change much more than bumpers and lights, didn't they. <p>I very much like the boxster now and I'm sure I will also like cayman. Unfortunaltely I cannot afford either of them :-/

skoochythatone
06-22-2005, 07:30 AM
I dont think 911 buyers will go for the Cayman. If I would have the money, I wouldnt wanna save it and get the "other" Porsche, in this case a Cayman. Even if its a nice looking fast car with really good track abilities, if I have the money and want a 911, I am gonna get one..911 is 911 and not a Cayman, even if the new one comes close to being one..price and performance wise..

AM2
06-22-2005, 10:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jlaidler</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>This car should not cost more than the Boxster S because I will bet you dollars to donuts it costs less to make.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Isn't the Cayman S 3.4 a higher spec model compared to the Boxster S 3.2?<br>For example a Corvette Z07 costs more than a regular Corvette convertible...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jlaidler</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Porsche is losing the horsepower wars and last time it thought it was only competing with itself it almost went out of business. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well, its not all about having the highest horsepower... Besides Porsches are lighter than most of its competitors... and based on most comparisson tests, Porsches can keep up with stronger V8 sportscars that produce 50 or more bhp...<br>

iamalittlepepper
06-22-2005, 01:49 PM
I highly doubt it is in the cards.. as Boxster transmission is well known to be less able to handle the power from a 911.. so I can't see they will use the same drivetrain.. but then again you never know.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IcedG35</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any word of an AWD version? I guess it would be werid to have another C4 though. <p>It's amazing how the same basic shape has managed to stay so modern and classy looking over the last few decades. </TD></TR></TABLE>

IcedG35
06-22-2005, 09:04 PM
if this car is similar in performance and dimensions to a 911 and everyone is saying power is similar as well, then what about the Caymen enables Porsche to sell it so much cheaper while still making a profit. Is the 911 just an overpriced car that people are simply buying because of the status or is there something mechanically less complicated about a Caymen that makes it cheaper to build? I would think it would be more expensive for a midengine car.

iamalittlepepper
06-22-2005, 10:09 PM
Caymen probably cost less to make .. however they have to recoup the R&D spent.. the cost whether to make a mid or rear engined car is kind of mott point... as they both have the blueprints to do and are not making it new from scratch..<p>If you look at the Boxster FAQ you would find that at least the gen1 boxsters have weaker gearboxes that don't handle the hp from say a 911 turbo.. sharing the front fascia is also the way to cut down on cost.<p>I just think they want to make a comforable profit margin.. since that' s what they are supposed to do as a company.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IcedG35</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if this car is similar in performance and dimensions to a 911 and everyone is saying power is similar as well, then what about the Caymen enables Porsche to sell it so much cheaper while still making a profit. Is the 911 just an overpriced car that people are simply buying because of the status or is there something mechanically less complicated about a Caymen that makes it cheaper to build? I would think it would be more expensive for a midengine car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Uberwagon
06-23-2005, 05:23 PM
Pepper's point is a very good one: It doesn't matter what it costs to build, it's how much development money went in. For example, as an engineer I'd be shocked it if an F360 cost more than around $50k to build. But the development money and Ferrari's racing endeavors (F1: an R&D/promotional expense) have to be paid for. Hence the $200k bill. The 911 is a more developed car than the average (as can be seen by huge maintenance & repair costs) and Porsche's own 911 racing program requires support. Hence the high price.<p>Porsche is pretty much the last independant automaker now too so they have to charge a premium in order to survive. They simply don't enjoy the same economies of scale as others do so they have to make more for every car to make up the difference. For many buyers, the exclusivity of driving a low-volume "Porsche" brand car, Boxster variant or not, is worth the extra price.

Santeno
06-24-2005, 08:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Porsche is pretty much the last independant automaker now too so they have to charge a premium in order to survive. They simply don't enjoy the same economies of scale as others do so they have to make more for every car to make up the difference. For many buyers, the exclusivity of driving a low-volume "Porsche" brand car, Boxster variant or not, is worth the extra price. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Aren't the following companies pretty much independent also:<p>- Isuzu<br>- Mitsubishi<br>- Suzuki<br>- Subaru<br>- Tata <br>- Ssangyong<br>- Caterham <br>- Lada <br>- Morgan<br>- TVR<br>- AC<br>- Shelby<br>- Bristol<br>- Saleen<br>- Koenigsegg<br>- Pagani<br>- Perodua<br>- Spyker<br>- Changan<br>- Chery<br>- Dongfeng<br>- Gaz<br>- Geely<br>- Great Wall<br>- Hindustan<p>I see what you are saying about the high prices relative to economies of scale (especially when you throw in Porsche's currently high levels of content, fit, finish and quality) but still other manufacturers (granted at much lesser levels of the qualities mentioned above) manage to do it without charging such drastic premiums.

iamalittlepepper
06-25-2005, 02:06 AM
The definition of independence is such a slippery slope.. I mean if you look at the list I can see Subaru, TVR, and maybe one or two chinese companies have their own engine foundry (not just reusing block or whole engine like Koenigsegg (Ford) or Pagini MB, , Spyker/Audi)..<p>Granted Porsche uses ZF gearboxes.. however their R&D for engine must be pretty big too.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aren't the following companies pretty much independent also:<p>- Isuzu<br>- Mitsubishi<br>- Suzuki<br>- Subaru<br>- Tata <br>- Ssangyong<br>- Caterham <br>- Lada <br>- Morgan<br>- TVR<br>- AC<br>- Shelby<br>- Bristol<br>- Saleen<br>- Koenigsegg<br>- Pagani<br>- Perodua<br>- Spyker<br>- Changan<br>- Chery<br>- Dongfeng<br>- Gaz<br>- Geely<br>- Great Wall<br>- Hindustan<p>I see what you are saying about the high prices relative to economies of scale (especially when you throw in Porsche's currently high levels of content, fit, finish and quality) but still other manufacturers (granted at much lesser levels of the qualities mentioned above) manage to do it without charging such drastic premiums.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Uberwagon
07-01-2005, 07:47 PM
Yes, I think "slippery slope" is a great term for the indepenence issue. Many of those independents are partially owned by partners such as GM or a part of larger holding companies (Isuzu, Subaru, Mitsubishi). Others are extremely tiny, low-volume niche manufacturers who charge exorbitant prices to offset their independence & limited economies of scale (Spyker, Pagani, etc.). <p>In the mass market, Porsche and Honda (a company I'm familiar with) are very unique in that they have no real cross-ownership. Other than the platform development partnership of the Cayenne/Tourege with VW, they go it alone in an increasingly tough and volatile marketplace. Honda's volume offsets some of the risk but Porsche has to always be a premium player. From a marketing and product development standpoint, that's a tough job.<p>In any case, the Cayman is an up-spec variant of the Boxster with extra development costs to cover. I think that is the reason it is more expensive. Some might find a car like the 350Z a better value but, to many people, it's nice knowing a smaller-volume performance company like Porsche still exists. That exclusivity helps justify the extra expense required to put one in their driveway.

AM2
07-02-2005, 05:53 AM
Doesn't the Cayman S offer near "Acura NSX level" performance for $30K less?<p>I guess if you think of it that way, its not that bad.<p>

Redline
07-02-2005, 07:07 AM
Well you have to consider the age of the NSX when you make that statement, it would be pretty bad if the Cayman didn't perform as well as it.

AM2
07-02-2005, 09:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well you have to consider the age of the NSX when you make that statement, it would be pretty bad if the Cayman didn't perform as well as it.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well age doesn't matter since Honda is still manufacturing it and selling it at $90K (they still consider it a current model).<p>

Redline
07-02-2005, 10:14 AM
I realize that, I'm just saying it is still a very old car to compare this against. Compare it against a 911 GT3 if you want a current $90,000 dollar car.

Uberwagon
07-02-2005, 10:41 AM
NSX is still an amazing car, 15 years on. Handling that others continue working to match. WAY ahead of its time, aged styling aside. But in the real world, Cayman gets my dollar.

Redline
07-02-2005, 12:38 PM
Of course, the Cayman is cheaper and looks even better than the NSX, which is a good looking car. Plus with similar performance it is a great car for performance, it could have been a supercar 15 years ago, of course that could be said for a lot of cars.

bm88
09-13-2005, 11:38 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050913.009/2050913.009.1M.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050913.009" TARGET="_blank">GCF Press Release</A>

r3vilo
09-13-2005, 12:40 PM
WOW..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> that looks soo good!!!!<br>The apron is really nice.....<br>I WANT ONE <U>NOW</U>

against the wall
09-13-2005, 12:46 PM
dont be hasty, revilo....lol

Icarus
09-13-2005, 04:27 PM
has anyone else tried to access the car configurator through the Frankfurt International Auto Show web special on the porsche.com website?<p>It says you should be able to configure your Cayman S but it isnt working. Anyone else have this problem?<p>And, does anyone know the price sheet for this yet? As far as base and price of options go? Thanks in advance!

Designo
09-13-2005, 09:59 PM
I have a feeling that this will really outdate the 911 visually...

Tarpon
01-20-2006, 03:13 PM
Sorry to bring back such an old topic, but is there any word on when or if there will be a "Cayman" with the 2.7L engine to compete with the Z4 3.0 Coupe?

Andre
01-20-2006, 03:30 PM
Dunno, but I saw a Cayman just last night<p>One word... Droooooooooool<p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-20-2006, 05:37 PM
Hmm, unless Porsche decide to release a turbo version of the cayman which I doubt, like the 911 has.<p>Huh, it's a 3.4 L with 295 hp/ <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> damn, it sounds so nice, I wish I could afford it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
01-21-2006, 01:42 AM
2 days ago I saw my first Cayman S(black) on the road, looks great!!<br>It was just introduced in my country last month.

yourlilbro
01-21-2006, 02:00 AM
its being launched in my country next week ,hheheh

knicks125
08-14-2007, 05:54 AM
Cayman S "Porsche Design Edition 1"<p><IMG SRC="http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/08/caymanspde1_hi006450.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Exclusive all-black special edition<br>Limited-edition Cayman S as Porsche Design Edition 1<p>Stuttgart. Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche AG of Stuttgart, Germany, is to expand its mid-engine coup model range with the launch, in November 2007, of the Cayman S "Porsche Design Edition 1", a limited-edition special series. Porsche has incorporated various design disciplines into this very special mid-engine coup: the black exterior emphasizes the purist nature of the 295-bhp sports car and, at the same time, is a nod to Porsche Design and the famous Chronograph 1s designed by Ferdinand Alexander Porsche precisely 35 years previously.<p>This look, cultivated by Porsche Design, imparts additional luxury and class on the Cayman S: the black leather and Alcantara upholstery harmonizes with refined details such as the instrument dials, the layout of which reflects that of all Porsche Design chronographs. Even the center console, dashboard, and door trims glisten in black, while the three-spoke sports steering wheel, the gear lever, the handbrake grip, and the roof lining are clothed in non-slip black Alcantara. The Porsche logo (crest) is embossed on the headrests.<p>The vehicle's technical features are equally sophisticated: beneath the ten-millimeter-lower body, standard Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) actively controls the hardness of the shock absorbers and it features a special Sport mode that can be activated at the touch of a button for a really dynamic driving feel. Five-millimeter spacers together with 19-inch turbo wheels give the Cayman S "Porsche Design Edition 1" a presence that is reinforced yet further by the 235/35 ZR 19 tires at the front axle and the 265/35 ZR 19 tires at the rear.<p>The Porsche Design Studio, created by Ferdinand Alexander Porsche 35 years ago, has rapidly become a top international name for industrial design, luxury items, and consumer goods. Top-class functionality and esthetics glisten in the new "Porsche Design Edition 1" collection  in black or black matt, of course.<p>The Cayman S "Porsche Design Edition 1" standard equipment thus includes an elegant briefcase containing the Flat Six Chronograph, a pocket knife, a pair of sunglasses, a pen, and a key ring  all in black, even the knife blade, in keeping with the vehicle's styling. The number of Cayman S "Porsche Design Edition 1" units is to be as exclusive as this series-production luxury package: only 777 are being built, and each will be identifiable from a badge on the lid of the glove box.<p>The market launch of this black Cayman with exclusive Porsche Design equipment, including briefcase, will begin in Germany in November 2007 and in the United States in January 2008. The base price is 58,600 Euros and, factoring in 19 percent value-added tax, the price in Germany will be 69,942 Euros.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Gallery: <A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/photos/porsche-cayman-s-porsche-design-edition-1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/photos...ion-1</A>/

CosworthKid
08-14-2007, 05:58 AM
Absolutely STUNNING edition! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>That exterior treatment and the paint jobs makes it look 100 times better

Redline
08-14-2007, 06:36 AM
When will this car stop looking good. Really, I didn't think that the Cayman needed anything to help the looks, but somehow, this just looks so much better. What a great design and a great car.

Comrade
08-14-2007, 07:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cayman S "Porsche Design Edition 1"<p><IMG SRC="http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/08/caymanspde1_hi006450.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Damn, that looks really good in that picture.

CosworthKid
08-14-2007, 09:37 AM
Indeed, pure car candy

haji
06-11-2008, 07:12 PM
9ff Cayman CT-78
http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/6/11/9080611.006/9080611.006.1M.jpg

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080611.006/9ff-cayman-ct-78-e85-wins-sportauto-readers-award

Rob
06-12-2008, 04:15 PM
I like that. The white wheels are great.

haji
07-24-2008, 04:52 AM
2008 Cayman S Sport (303hp)
http://bp3.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SId4SWb94_I/AAAAAAAAzbw/UUjfViiAkfU/s400/Porsche-Cayman-S-Sport---.jpg

we don't need a new thread for this, do we?
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-porsche-cayman-s-sport-with-303ps.html

DoMiNo
07-24-2008, 06:26 AM
Sexy, but why didn't they wait until the facelift?

turbonium959
07-24-2008, 11:12 PM
Wow, S Sport. Its like Camaro SS S. I understand that its just another ploy to sell more cars, but at least be creative with names. Might as well call it the RS. Everyone knows that Cayman will not get any more power than it has already in order not to disappoint 911 owners. So the RS moniker would have been appropriate. Oh well.

haji
08-04-2008, 02:23 PM
now its officially out
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080804.003/official-boxster-s-porsche-design-edition-2-and-the-cayman-s-sport-revealed

swizzle
08-04-2008, 02:52 PM
Wow, S Sport. Its like Camaro SS S. I understand that its just another ploy to sell more cars, but at least be creative with names. Might as well call it the RS. Everyone knows that Cayman will not get any more power than it has already in order not to disappoint 911 owners. So the RS moniker would have been appropriate. Oh well.

What I find so amusing is that the Cayman like the 914-6 before it has the capacity to spank the 911 and instead of Porsche just letting go and taking the car to its full potential they kiss the butts of 911 lunatics by hobbling their ironically better handling cars. I remember at one point considering a 944 and for the same price I could buy a gently used 911. The 944 was definitely easier to drive fast, but the 911 was faster. Why is Porsche so worried about the 911 gestapo?

erzhik
08-04-2008, 09:38 PM
*cough* superleggera wannabe *cough*