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endel
05-09-2005, 08:07 AM
Even more dynamic road behavior  and 44 millimeters wider<p>The 911-type Carrera 4 and Carrera 4S all-wheel-drive coupes from Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG in Stuttgart are a further addition to the 911 model family and perpetuate a long and successful tradition. Porsches legendary 959 model and the first Carrera 4, which dates from 1988, were early evidence of this manufacturers competence in all-wheel-drive technology.<p>A striking feature of these new 911 models: they are 44 millimeters wider over the rear fenders. The rear wheels of the Carrera 4 can therefore be fitted with 295/35 ZR 18 tires, and its bigger brother with 305/30 ZR 19 tires. Powered by the proven 3.6-liter six-cylinder engine, which has an output of 239 kW (325 bhp), the Carrera 4 accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 5.1 seconds and has a top speed of 280 kilometers per hour. The 4S model, with a 3.8-liter engine developing 261 kW (355 bhp), can reach 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds and has a top speed of 288 km/h.<p>The all-wheel drive system has a multi-disk viscous coupling and transfers between five and 40 percent of the tractive force permanently to the front wheels, giving the two new coupes excellently balanced performance on bends until close to the handling limit, absolute straight-line stability up to top speed and improved traction on slippery roads.<p>Porsche Stability Management (PSM) now has two new functions: the brake system is pre-filled ready for a full brake application, thus eliminating the air gap between the pads and the disk and making stopping distances even shorter.<p>The second new PSM function is activated if the driver depresses the brake pedal quickly but not forcefully. In this situation, the hydraulic pump builds up extra pressure to bring all the wheels into the ABS range and ensure optimal braking.<p>In its regular setting, Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) offers a sporty but comfortable basic shock absorber setup, but operation of the sport button activates a noticeably firmer mapped setting. In both settings, however, the suspension ratings are matched at all times to the driving style and road conditions. The active shock absorber system is a standard feature on the 911 Carrera 4S and an optional extra on the Carrera 4. On request, both models can also be fitted with sports suspension to lower the body 20 millimeters closer to the ground; this option includes a mechanical rear axle differential lock.<p>The optional Sport Chrono Plus package is also available for the new all-wheel-drive models. It modifies the engine management characteristics and the control behavior of the PSM and PASM systems.<p>The list prices in Europe are 71,100 Euros for the Carrera 4 and 79,900 Euros for the Carrera 4S. Prices in Germany (including value added tax and country-specific requirements) are 82,657 Euros for the Carrera 4 and 92,865 Euros for the Carrera 4S. The two models will be launched on the German market on October 22, 2005.

Seller Automotive
05-09-2005, 11:17 AM
Sweet. VERY excited to see how awesome the 911 looks with 44mm of extra rear width.<p>If this car is launched in Germany Oct 22, 2005.. That would lead me to believe the 911 GT3 will be launched prior... only based on the fact that we've seen so many pictures over the last 6 months.

Santeno
05-09-2005, 11:18 AM
endel please be so kind as to post the sources of all articles you post on the forum. Thank you.

endel
05-09-2005, 11:30 AM
Story was from germanfans.com:<br><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/NewsID/2050509.005/porsche/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n....html</A><p>Some pictures from germanfans.com:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050509.005/2050509.005.Mini1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050509.005/2050509.005.Mini2L.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050509.005/2050509.005.Mini3L.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Some pictures from porsche.com:<br><IMG SRC="http://www2.porsche.com/tothepowerof4/assets/images/model_pic_c4_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www2.porsche.com/tothepowerof4/assets/images/model_pic_c4_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www2.porsche.com/tothepowerof4/assets/images/model_pic_c4_3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www2.porsche.com/tothepowerof4/assets/images/model_pic_c4_4.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www2.porsche.com/tothepowerof4/assets/images/model_pic_c4_5.jpg" BORDER="0">

Redline
05-09-2005, 12:49 PM
Kind of a dissappointment. I was expecting a different front air dam like on the 996s. Oh well, still should be incredible, especially in the slick stuff.

Seller Automotive
05-09-2005, 04:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kind of a dissappointment. I was expecting a different front air dam like on the 996s. Oh well, still should be incredible, especially in the slick stuff.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Porsche's Tequipment program for 997 Exterior parts will take off soon... I'm sure they'll be offering wings and bodykits for the C4/C4S shortly after introduction.

Uberwagon
05-10-2005, 01:14 PM
Beautiful. Gorgeous. Truly.<p>I'm wondering how the Cayman might affect 911 sales. Will 911 begin to become more of an awd sports/GT with the Cayman taking the pure sports-racer slot? Naturally, there is a large price difference between the two (therefore two different buyers) but it seems there may be a positioning problem for marketing to deal with.

Redline
05-10-2005, 03:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Porsche's Tequipment program for 997 Exterior parts will take off soon... I'm sure they'll be offering wings and bodykits for the C4/C4S shortly after introduction. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, but I would want it to come with the car and not have the hassle of getting it from the dealer and then having them install it. I guess there's always the aero package, but that still looks like the regular 911.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Beautiful. Gorgeous. Truly.<p>I'm wondering how the Cayman might affect 911 sales. Will 911 begin to become more of an awd sports/GT with the Cayman taking the pure sports-racer slot? Naturally, there is a large price difference between the two (therefore two different buyers) but it seems there may be a positioning problem for marketing to deal with.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Cayman is more targeted for track days, the regular 911 will remain RWD, the only AWD 911s will be the C4/S and the Turbo/S unless Porsche pulls a fast one and adds another AWD 911 to the lineup. The 911 will probably cater to a crowd who wants the flash of a 911, whereas the Cayman will probably see to a crowd that wants a fast car on the cheap for racing. I doubt the conflict will be as big as most are making it out to be.

Superfresa
05-10-2005, 04:28 PM
That is a trully perfect sportscar. I haven't see the interiour yet though. Does anyone have a pic?<br>

stelvio
05-11-2005, 07:18 AM
I think that's how the 997 Turbo's rear end will look like when it bows down soon. Same rocker panels, same rear fenders. Of course with the add'l air intakes behind the doors, new rear bumpers and whale tail.

endel
05-23-2005, 02:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kind of a dissappointment. I was expecting a different front air dam like on the 996s.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>if You look closely You don't see front of the Carrera 4S at these pictures, only front of Carrera 4 and rear ends of Carrera 4 and Carrera 4S!<p>So let's hope that Porsche will do Turbo style front for Carrera 4S

carmaniac
05-23-2005, 07:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>endel</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>if You look closely You don't see front of the Carrera 4S at these pictures, only front of Carrera 4 and rear ends of Carrera 4 and Carrera 4S!<p>So let's hope that Porsche will do Turbo style front for Carrera 4S</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt the 4S has a different front airdam compared to the 4, Porsche's new naming strategy just denotes the that S model has a higher displacement/output engine and chassis improvements.

Redline
05-23-2005, 01:33 PM
Actually it could make sense. Since the old C4S shared styling with the Turbo, this one could very well share it too and they simply don't want to reveal the Turbo's styling quite yet. It might explain the lack of difference compared to the old models and the lack of front end pictures of the C4S.

Vector
05-23-2005, 03:47 PM
I think the C4S is a different concept from the past. The "S" today is an upgraded engine (and a few bits) rather than the drastic different model it was back in the 993 days. So with the C4 version, it just uses a wider body. <p>Maybe there's a "turbo-lite" or "sport" body package in the 997's future to make it more like the old C4S's?<p>Anyone know how much heavider the 4's are vs. the standard Carrera and S?