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SHEPO
05-08-2005, 10:45 AM
i heard from a forum member on autoweek.com that the acura el, which is only sold in canada, is scheduled to release a redesigned version by that fall. rumor has it that the new el, which could change its name to something along the lines of "csx," might also be sold in the U.S. with a 1.8 litre 140-hp engine. has anyone heard similar rumors circulating around or know other things about the new el?<p>also, if the new el does come to the u.s., do you think its a good move? why or why not?<p>also, here is the link for info on the acura el: <A HREF="http://www.acura.ca/AcuraEng/Models/EL/InfoNav.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.acura.ca/AcuraEng/Models/EL/InfoNav.htm</A>. yes, its basically a civic clone with some more luxurious amenities, so hopefully the new one will differentiate itself from the civic and move a bit more upscale. (hopefully a larger engine!)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by koenigseggccr at 1:50 PM 5/8/2005</i>

Redline
05-08-2005, 11:13 AM
I haven't heard anything about this coming to the US. I think it would probably be a mistake though, I doubt many people would want an upscale Civic. Who knows though. I've seen one of these down here, it was nothing special.

Ascariss
05-08-2005, 12:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I doubt many people would want an upscale Civic. Who knows though. I've seen one of these down here, it was nothing special.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But people still buy it here, but most are smarter to buy a civic. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> And it isn't anything special. Just Honda cashing in on the small car market here.

Knutsaq
05-08-2005, 12:34 PM
Since the Civic is due for replacement soon, it would make sense for the EL to be replaced as well. It is getting rather long in the tooth.<p>Also, it pretty much has the luxury small car market to itself here in Canada, at least until we get the 1 Series and the B Class. <p>The closest anything else in Canada comes is the A3, and it starts about $9K above the EL.<p> <p>

Player4
05-08-2005, 12:48 PM
well since this Acura EL/CSX is getting its redisign and might be coming to the US. I see the reason why there have been rumors of Acura droppint the RSX from its lineup. Hopefully it wont be the same as the 2006 Civic, so that when it comes to the US it wont be a supped up Civic.

KebabGud
05-09-2005, 07:58 AM
CSX sounds to mutch like a caddy ... if you ask me..<br>but honda.. sorry acura need a replasment for the RSX now that there killing it off..<p>

jro4566
05-09-2005, 04:40 PM
I highly doubt the EL/CSX would come to the United States - there just doesn't seem to be a market for it. There's barely a market for the subcompact luxury car category (TSX, S40, etc.) as it is.<p>Besides, isn't the TSX supposed to receive the turbocharged 4-cylinder engine from the upcoming RDX?

nismo
05-09-2005, 05:52 PM
Fromwhat I've heard the TSX will be the cheapest model in the line-up for now. The RSX wasn't a profitable car so I highly doubt that the EL will be available in the US ever...<p>I would think the smartest thing for Acura would be a TSX coupe, it would be a cheaper model but not too cheap where it would lower the brands newer image.

Uberwagon
05-10-2005, 01:28 PM
I can confirm there is no Acura EL coming to the US. Civic will move slightly upmarket with more amenities and increased refinement and the TSX will assume the entry spot for Acura in the next two years.<p>Honda will begin to pick up Acura's entry point (RSX) with new Si coupe which will offer better performance than the Type-S model for less money. Given the softness of the coupe market and the huge potential for a legitimate sports sedan at that price point, a four-door version of the Si will follow.<p>There is no plan for a TSX coupe given the extremely small sales potential. Acura is moving slowly upmarket in the US and they feel that the TSX is the ideal balance of luxury entry point and sales volume for the brand.

Andre
05-10-2005, 02:48 PM
Well, IF (I know what was said above) IF it comes to the United States, it better not have the Name CSX<p>I think CSX runs in Canada too, so the name "CSX" wouldn't be good for a small sporty luxury car anyway<p>(CSX is a North American Freight Train Operator)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 7:53 PM 5/10/2005</i>

Dodger
05-10-2005, 06:58 PM
You have to watch out for those fright trains, they can come out of nowhere and scare the sh** out of you!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Just kidding Andre <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
05-10-2005, 07:53 PM
Have you been talking to Naga recently? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I picked on him for a grammar error and he's reaming me for every little spelling mistake I make now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I should probably move this to the rumors area?

fujison82
10-11-2005, 08:23 PM
Not sure if this is the thread to do this, but this is the only CSX thread I could find. Move the post if this is the wrong place. <p>Did this really quickly. Frequent visitor, first time poster. Everyone's been saying the CSX will basically be the JPN Civic, so I took the liberty and modified a pic to see what it could look like. <p>Changed the emblem and added TSX wheels. Looks sharp IMO. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5904/acuracsx6pf.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by fujison82 at 8:35 PM 10/11/2005</i>

IcedG35
10-11-2005, 08:35 PM
I hope you're all right and Acura isn't wasting time with these lower end models....What they do need is to bring the CL back and maybe it can give the G coupe a run for its money like the TL is doing to the sedan (sorry i kidna have a 1 track mind)

fujison82
10-11-2005, 08:42 PM
There is definitely a gap in the Acura lineup and in order for them to play with the big dogs, they've gotta offer a nice mid-size coupe with good power. Maybe, a joint venture with the next S2000 (Solves the RWD problem), but instead a folding hardtop? It definitely has to be a 2+2 though. I think this combo combines the missing segments Acura is losing out on and I really think it could fit well in the lineup (Between TSX/TL and RL). <p>Back on topic though, as a Canadian, I actually prefer having a lower end car in the Acura line up. I don't think it has created any problems with the Acura image here in Canada. Not sure if this will also be the case in the US.

Andre
10-11-2005, 10:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fujison82</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did this really quickly. Frequent visitor, first time poster. Everyone's been saying the CSX will basically be the JPN Civic, so I took the liberty and modified a pic to see what it could look like.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know that's what it'll look like... I've seen the spy shots <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
10-12-2005, 09:26 AM
From the front, that looks very Acura, actually. If they could do a bit more to differenitate the interiors, I could see justification to bring it to the US. Especially since it has a more powerful powerplant, IIRC.

RetroJapan
10-16-2005, 03:05 AM
<A HREF="http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/marcob@rogers.com/detail?.dir=/2b07&.dnm=5f7b.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=ph0_xxDBmUjE6J1A" TARGET="_blank">http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/...E6J1A</A><p><A HREF="http://www.acuradealercsx.ca" TARGET="_blank">http://www.acuradealercsx.ca</A>/<p>Source: C&D Forums

SHEPO
10-16-2005, 07:47 AM
well, looks like a rebadged honda civic. what's the point of this car?

against the wall
10-16-2005, 08:09 AM
its acura. it is not rebadged on the inside. isnt it gonna have more upscale things in the interior?

Andre
10-16-2005, 11:44 AM
They....Actually...Took...the...name...CSX? <p>*barf*<p>Though I think I know the answer, this is Canada only, right?

Andre
10-18-2005, 11:31 AM
<A HREF="http://64.246.11.82/images/q/q425_westfield.jpg.31460.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://64.246.11.82/images/q/q...0.jpg</A>

SHEPO
10-18-2005, 12:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RetroJapan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.acuradealercsx.ca" TARGET="_blank">http://www.acuradealercsx.ca</A>/<p>Source: C&D Forums</TD></TR></TABLE><p>anyone have a dealer code so we can get info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
10-18-2005, 12:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://64.246.11.82/images/q/q425_westfield.jpg.31460.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://64.246.11.82/images/q/q...0.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

AM2
10-18-2005, 01:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its acura. it is not rebadged on the inside. isnt it gonna have more upscale things in the interior?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>They'll probably start off with the top of the line Civic interior and add some standard features...<p>Interior of one of the higher end JDM Civic models.<br><IMG SRC="http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9300/jdmcivicinterior6jz.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

StevenZoz
10-18-2005, 05:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FerrariSheppy36</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>anyone have a dealer code so we can get info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes dealer code PLEASE =]

Speedstick
10-19-2005, 08:40 AM
They have it in Canada because we buy more small cars. I doubt it would ever go to the States because it would be redundant. It is here, but it's a way of drawing people into Acura showrooms.

Speedstick
10-19-2005, 08:45 AM
I remember while looking at used cars the EL is rebadged inside. Also - from the sneak on the site it looks very much like the JDM Civic, but expect them to also ad on ground effects kits, spoilers and ritcier rims eventually to make it more up market.<p>As for what makes them different, they do have different content or at least unique packages. And for people buying used cars, ELs are worth considering as it seems they usually are on par with prices of used Civics. And for us Canadians, Civics are so common it's nice to have something a little different.<p>I'd never buy one new though - I couldn't justify the price difference.

Speedstick
10-19-2005, 08:51 AM
Some spy shots...<br>From temple of vtec. Rear lights look like JDM Civic sedan.<p><IMG SRC="http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/400452/06csx_jb-08.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/400452/06csx_jb-03.jpg" BORDER="0">

AM2
10-30-2005, 06:36 AM
What engine will it have?<p>The 8th gen ASEAN Civic sedan(which looks similar to the JDM model) will be available with an optional 155hp 2.0 liter engine.

knicks125
11-03-2005, 07:29 AM
Old teaser shots...will get full shots, specs, features in a little bit...<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet?attachImage=true&contentType=image%2Fpjpeg&attachment=20864" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet?attachImage=true&contentType=image%2Fpjpeg&attachment=20865" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
11-03-2005, 09:29 AM
If they are still embargoed, my appologies. They have already been posted at VWVortex.<p><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/acuracsx5nb.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/acuracsx015lg.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/acuracsx027kq.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>These are rather useless now that official ones are out, but...<p><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/f1c4d88f.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/f1c4d88b.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/f1c4d886.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/f1c4d881.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Nodnarb at 8:34 AM 11/3/2005</i>

nismo
11-03-2005, 12:04 PM
Looks good... but EL has always looked better than the US 4dr Civic. This is supposedly powered by the 2.0l in the base RSX, producing 155hp. A very well rounded package. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
11-03-2005, 01:43 PM
the rear reminds me of the US 1999 Honda Accord

SHEPO
11-03-2005, 03:19 PM
i dont get the point of the EL/CSX...its essentially a civic with minor trim changes, leather, and an acura badge. nothing special; id rather just buy a civic and save a few thousand dollars...

against the wall
11-03-2005, 03:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FerrariSheppy36</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> id rather just buy a civic and save a few thousand dollars...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>but if you live in canada and you want a civic, you have no choice but the csx. unless they do sell the honda in canda and then i agree it is pointless.

Nodnarb
11-03-2005, 03:41 PM
They do sell Civic's in Canada. However, this one has the previous base RSX engine, so it has a bit more power than the Civic EX. Also, with the previous generation Civic in Canada, you could not get VTEC (until 2004), but could with the EL for the entire life cycle. Plus automatic climate control, available only on the hybrid Civic, and not at all on the previous generation except as the EL is standard. They aren't a whole lot more than a standard Civic, IIRC and you get the Acura dealership treatment. So while the differences are minor, they can still be justified. Sort of.

Ascariss
11-03-2005, 03:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>but if you live in canada and you want a civic, you have no choice but the csx. unless they do sell the honda in canda and then i agree it is pointless.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> Something you would hear on Jaw walking. Sorry but that is the funniest sh** I ever heard.<p>For those people who are in canada, doesn't the rear remind you of the older gen EL?<p><A HREF="http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bm/images/97el_rear.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canadiandriver.com/...r.jpg</A><p>I only wish they moved to side mirrors off the doors and made it more like the TSX. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
11-03-2005, 04:01 PM
huh what was so funny about that?

CalinG7
11-03-2005, 04:30 PM
I can't explain why I find this car so interesting. It's still appealing though, especially with the current price of fuel. You get a nice economical package, good fuel economy, Honda reliability, Acura dealer treatment, with just the right amount of luxury amenities, and a package that's just different enough to stand out from the crowd of 300,000 Civics they'll be selling per year. I actually hope they sell it in the US. After all, if Audi can give us the Golf in fancy duds A3, ditto BMW with the 1-series and Mercedes with the A-class, and Volvo too with the S40, why can't Acura?

anonms
11-03-2005, 05:46 PM
They could've at leat tried to differentiate the interior from that of the normal Civic... like adding fake wood trim or SOMETHING... X__X

Nodnarb
11-03-2005, 06:42 PM
Hey, it get's the three spoke wheel that is only on the coupe. Plus it has different lighting, including lighted steering wheel controls. And there is available paddle shift for the auto and heated mirrors. It's more differentiation than the previous EL had. I'd actually like to see this in the States.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Acuraworld.com</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Touring - Key Standard Features:<p> Engine: 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC <br> Horsepower 155 @ 6000* <br> Torque 139 @ 4500* <br> Transmission: 5-speed Manual<br> Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) <br> Electronic power Steering (EPS) <br> Temporary Spare Tire <br> Tire: Goodyear Eagle RS-A - 205/55 R16 M+S <br> Wheel: 166 1/2J Alloy <br> Active Front Head Restraints <br> Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) <br> Driver & Passenger Front Airbags <br> Side Airbags <br> Side Curtain Airbags <br> High Strength Door Beam <br> Front Seatbelt Adjustable Shoulder Anchor (Hidden) <br> Front Seatbelt Buckle Pre-Tensioner <br> Front Seatbelt Passenger: ALR/ELR <br> Rear Seatbelt: ALR/ELR/ISOFIX <br> Security Alarm System w/ Answerback <br> Immobilizer System <br> Halogen Headlights <br> Daytime Running Lights <br> Body Coloured Retractable Door Mirrors w/ Turn Signals <br> Body Coloured Exterior Door Handle with Chrome Insert <br> Body Coloured Side Protector <br> Dual Expi Exhaust/Tailpipe Finisher <br> Front Mudguard <br> Front and Rear Strake <br> Glass Antenna <br> Rear Brake Light High-Mount <br> Trunk Inside Handle <br> Trunk Lid Lining <br> Ambient Lighting: Blue <br> Bi-Level Analog Digital Meter <br> Meter Illumination Colour: Blue & White <br> Electro-Luminescent Submeter <br> Interior Illumination Colour: Blue <br> Centre Console Lid <br> Three Spoke, Leather Wrapped Tilt & Telescopic Steering Wheel w/ Illuminated Audio & Cruise Controls <br> Seatback Pocket: Passenger <br> Outside Temperature Display <br> Power Window Switch Illumination <br> Rear Door Pocket <br> Rear Heater Ducts <br> Seatbelt Reminder (Driver & Passenger): Audible <br> Steering Wheel Lock Illumination <br> Tachometer w/Metallic Trim Ring <br> Trunk Room Light <br> 2 Key System <br> Accessory Socket: 2 <br> AM/FM CD High-Power Audio <br> Anti-Theft Audio <br> Automatic Air Conditioning with Defrost Link & Fresh Air <br> Automatic Door Lock <br> Centre Console with Armrest <br> Cruise Control <br> Defrost Link with Air Conditioning & Fresh Air <br> Door Lock Remote Switch: Driver & Passenger Side <br> Driver and Passenger Vanity Mirror <br> Driver's Seat Manual Height Adjustment <br> Floor Mats <br> Front Cupholder <br> Front Intermittent Variable Wipers <br> Front Speakers (2), Rear Speakers (2), Tweeters (2) <br> Heated Door Mirrors <br> Keyless Entry with Trunk Opener <br> Maintenance Minder <br> Micron Air Filter <br> MP3/WMA Compatible Audio <br> Power Mirrors, Door Locks and Safety Windows w/ Automatic Up/Down <br> Rear Armrest <br> Rear Cupholders <br> Rear Defrost Timer <br> Speed-sensitive Volume Control <br> Tool (Half Set) <br> Wave Key <br> Rear Headrests (3) <br> Rear Seat Fold Down (60/40) <br> Cloth Seating Material<br> Safety for Everyone <p>Model Codes<br>FD5556E 5MT<br>FD5656E 5AT<p>Colour and Trim<p>Exterior - Interior<br>Alabaster Silver Metallic - Black Fabric<br>Nighthawk Black Pearl - Black Fabric<br>Galaxy Grey Metallic - Black Fabric<br>Royal Blue Pearl - Black/ Parchment Fabric<br>Neutron Blue Metallic - Black Fabric<br>Habanero Red Pearl - Black Fabric<p>2006 ACURA CSX<p>Premium - Key Standard Features:<br>(Additions or Upgrades To Touring Model)<p> High Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlights <br> 6CD In-dash Changer <br> Heated Seats <br> Sunroof with Privacy Glass & Auto-open <br> Leather Seating Material<p>Model Codes<p>FD5576JN 5MT<br>FD5676JN 5AT<br>FD5576KN 5MT (w/NAVI)<br>FD5676KN 5AT (w/NAVI)<p>Colour and Trim<p>Exterior - Interior<br>Alabaster Silver Metallic -Black Leather<br>Nighthawk Black Pearl -Black Leather<br>Galaxy Grey Metallic - Black Leather<br>Royal Blue Pearl - Black/ Parchment Leather<br>Neutron Blue Metallic - Black Leather<br>Habanero Red Pearl - Black Leather<p>Key Available Options: <p> 5 Speed Automatic Transmission w/ Paddle Shift feature <br> 17x7 J Alloy wheels w/ 215/45/R17 V Tires <br> Front Fog Lights <br> Auxiliary Audio Input Connection <br> Acura Navigation System with Bilingual Voice Recognition and steering wheel controls (available on Premium trim)</TD></TR></TABLE>

against the wall
11-03-2005, 06:49 PM
i think i might have an idea. rebadge a civic si as an rsx and bring it to the states, but with a more powerful engine and more stuff to make it differ from the civic. also, for a spec version or a type s, produce the v8 for that also. that would rock.

AM2
11-03-2005, 09:49 PM
The Acura CSX appears to be similar to the top of the line ASEAN Civic 2.0 Si sedan.<br>The ASEAN Civic is the only Civic sedan with an optional 155 hp 2.0 liter engine.

Nodnarb
11-04-2005, 01:32 PM
More pics.<p><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/BodyShotiVTEC.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/BodyShotNVH1a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/CSXChassiscopya.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/CSXInterior1a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/CSXNAV1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/CSXNAV3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/paddles.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/FBBodyOverview.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/mappy86/DistinctiveExterior3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

Redline
11-04-2005, 01:59 PM
Kind of ugly, still, not a bad interior. Very nice for its class especially.