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Santeno
04-22-2005, 10:20 AM
Here is a Chinese Isuzu clone (Don't know if it's made under license or not, maybe carmattzu777 knows):<p><IMG SRC="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/upload_dir/690/1114016343_75202.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>For more pics go here:<p><A HREF="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/690_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/690_1.html</A>

bolita
04-22-2005, 01:32 PM
Isuzu clone? It kind looks like a LC Prado clone - at least those headlights do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So the brand is Hover and the model CUV?

Santeno
04-22-2005, 02:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isuzu clone? It kind looks like a LC Prado clone - at least those headlights do</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes Axiom. Look:<p><IMG SRC="http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/741000-741999/741341_1_full.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So the brand is Hover and the model CUV?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Correctamundo.

Nurburgring
04-22-2005, 02:49 PM
There seems to be another clone or copycat car. It's the dark blue van in the background. It looks similar to the SSangyong Istana. Even the badge loks the same:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.km.irk.ru/Images/photo/is-01-989-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 5:57 PM 4/22/2005</i>

Santeno
04-22-2005, 02:59 PM
It's hard to say wether either of these products are knock-offs, since Ssangyong is controlled from china these days and I suzu has licenced much of it's technology and designs to other manufacturers. I don't know if Hover is one of them, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

VexedandGlorious
04-22-2005, 04:28 PM
is that logo a coat hanger

PlatForm
04-23-2005, 03:01 AM
how bout the Rover 45 & 75??? (SAIC hold the property right on 45 & 75).... i guess SAIC will rebadged it as Hover..<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by PlatForm at 10:20 AM 4/24/2005</i>

Hornbag
04-23-2005, 04:32 AM
Hover, dont they make lawn mowers???

AM2K
04-23-2005, 05:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PlatForm</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how bout the Rover 45 & 75???... i guess SAIC will rebadged it as Hover..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hover 75? I hope not... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

geary
04-23-2005, 07:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hover, dont they make lawn mowers???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hoover make vacuum cleaners <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
04-23-2005, 07:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>geary</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hoover make vacuum cleaners <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>DATS IT!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
04-24-2005, 11:14 AM
Doubt this is liscenced, but I don't know for sure. It is China, so my guess is its just another Isuzu copy, one of the hundreds of Isuzu copies in China. I do like the changes they made though.

JBlair
04-24-2005, 03:18 PM
It looks to be a different version of the Isuzu. If you look very carefully at the two, almost everything is the same (besides the obvious front bumper). The A-pillar and all of the structural hard points are identical, right down to all the cut-lines.

jro4566
04-24-2005, 04:42 PM
What's up with the dual taillights?<p><IMG SRC="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/upload_dir/690/1114331271_78037.jpg" BORDER="0">

bolita
04-25-2005, 08:02 AM
What does the interior look like?<p>I really wonder about quality, powertrain and fit & finish on this.<p>In the end, if its cheap, it will sell - regardless

CarMattZu777
04-25-2005, 09:46 AM
The interior is basically a carbon copy of the Axioms, except for the information display computer colors.<p>HOVER CUV:<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Isuzu777/Hoverinterior1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Isuzu777/Hoverinterior2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>AXIOM: <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/01/17/177208.2-lg.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/01/17/177208.1-lg.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/lrg/02805111990004LRG.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Both are the same and look very nice, but i'm sure the Chinese copy has materials that are not up to par with the Axiom. And the engine is nowhere near as good as the 250 HP Direct Injection engine in the Axiom and does not get up to 23 mpg as the Axiom did.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarMattZu777 at 8:43 PM 12/24/2005</i>

Santeno
04-25-2005, 09:52 AM
Here is some info on what this car based on:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b> carsales.com.au</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Great Wall Hover CUV</u><p>GREAT Wall Motor Co is one of Chinas largest off-road vehicle manufacturers and its latest concept, the Isuzu-based Hover CUV (City Utility Vehicle), looks a lot like Toyotas Prado with its swept-back headlights and exaggerated wheel arch cladding. Codenamed K1, the Hover production car will be followed by K2 and K3 models in a bid to lift sales from a current 70,000 units to 150,000 by 2005. Great Wall recently listed on the Hong Kong stock exchange with shares selling out quickly to raise $US180 million for increased production and product development.</TD></TR></TABLE><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:59 PM 4/25/2005</i>

JBlair
04-25-2005, 09:58 AM
This can't just be a carbon copy, because everything is just too similar. My guess is, since the Axiom is dead, that they bought the design from Isuzu.

CarMattZu777
04-26-2005, 08:33 PM
Actually, I heard its a copied Axiom body on top of a copied Toyota truck platform, and a weak engine.

Santeno
04-27-2005, 11:33 AM
You heard wrong. There was an erroneous report that claimed this was based on a toyota pick-up platform. but that report was actually supposed to reffer to a different great wall SUV. This one is Isuzu based.

AM2
04-27-2005, 12:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, I heard its a copied Axiom body on top of a copied Toyota truck platform, and a weak engine.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sorry its not.<p>Here's some old news on the Hover...<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Great Wall Hover <p><br>Great Wall Motors, maker of low-cost SUVs and pick-up trucks introduced its new Hover at Auto China 2004.<p>Hover, originally code named K1 is a CUV (City Utility Vehicle) based on Isuzu-mechanics. Great Wall would like to boost its capacity from the current 100,000 units p.a. to 300,000 units and the K1 will be followed by the K2, K3.<p>Great Wall made headlines when its stocks were quickly sold out at the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.<p>2004-06-09 <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>- autoindex<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>2005 Great Wall Hover SUV 5d </B> 2.4 16v 4WD<br>Number of seats 5 <br>Engine <br>Engine code 4G64 16v <br>Engine type Otto, Front transversal <br>Number of cylinders 4, In-line <br>Engine capacity 2350 cm3 <br>Number of valves 16 DOHC <br>Fuel Petrol, Injection by cylinder <br>Supercharging None <br>Bore 86.5 mm <br>Stroke 100.0 mm <br>Compression ratio 9.5 <br>Max Power 93 kW (DIN) 5250 rpm <br>Max torque 190 Nm (rpm) 2500 rpm <br>Transmission & Drive <br>Drive all-wheel drive <br>GearBox 5 Manual <br>Steering type Hydraulic power <br>Brakes & Tyres <br>Front tyres 235/65 R17 <br>Rear tyres 235/65 R17 <br>Front brakes Ventillated disc <br>Rear brakes Disc <br>Suspensions <br>Front Suspension Double wishbone, Stabilizer bar <br>Rear Suspension Coil spring, Multi-link <br>Dimensions <br>Wheelbase 2700 mm <br>Length 4630 mm <br>Width 1800 mm <br>Height 1715 mm <br>Track (front) 1515 mm <br>Track (rear) 1520 mm <br>Curb weight 1830 kg <br> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>- autoindex<br>

CarMattZu777
04-27-2005, 06:15 PM
93 kW, does that mean 93 HP? Sorry if it sounds stupid but just asking, I don't know the metric conversion for kW-HP.

jro4566
04-27-2005, 06:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">93 kW, does that mean 93 HP? Sorry if it sounds stupid but just asking, I don't know the metric conversion for kW-HP.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's about 125HP.

bolita
04-29-2005, 08:22 AM
It may seem underpowered for western countries, but for developing markets its enough if it is geared correctlly!

aggie
12-24-2005, 02:12 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>i don't think it is just a clone of some famous models, you konw now chinese vehicle industry developing fast. i am sure hover is certified and the quality is not bad it sells well in china and it has a show in italy motor show nowadays.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is a Chinese Isuzu clone (Don't know if it's made under license or not, maybe carmattzu777 knows):<p><IMG SRC="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/upload_dir/690/1114016343_75202.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>For more pics go here:<p><A HREF="http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/690_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto.tom.com/autoimg/690_1.html</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

SHEPO
12-24-2005, 01:22 PM
first of all, welcome to CSS aggie! second, i totally agree with you about the growth of the car industry in china; it's growing pretty fast and is sure to continue growing faster. and to tell you the truth, i the the hover CUV, save the interior, is quite more stylish than the axiom.

CarMattZu777
12-24-2005, 09:35 PM
Its exactly the same as the Axiom, minus the bland front end and the engine with 1/2 as much power. Yes, it may have a less expressive front end, but I think the Axiom has a bit more character. And im sure some major cost cutting took place to turn a $30,000 USD SUV into a much cheaper Chinese one. But still, it looks great, and if Great Wall comes to the US and prices this cheap, I would consider it. Im even kind of flattered that Isuzu was copied, but I think Isuzu is one of the most copied brands in China, along with Toyota. <p>Isuzu Axiom-<p><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/roadtest/02.isuzu.axiom/02.isuzu.axiom.profile.500.jpg" BORDER="0">

bolita
12-28-2005, 02:11 PM
We'll have to wait and see how it performs in overseas markets as I believe it is currently offered on in China. I have seen Great Walls in market here in SA, which are basically old Toyota 4 Runners blatant copies with 2.3L engines.... They are not selling too well as they are somewhat expensive and our market is open to used vehicles....

TeeDi
12-28-2005, 11:40 PM
The crazy thing about this, is that it actually look's really good and in my opinion, look's alot better than the Isuzu original, which was never sold here in Australia.<p>I reckon they've done a really good job of it!!<p>Slap a Toyota badge on the front and rear of this thing and it could almost be guaranteed best seller's status in Australia.

Santeno
12-29-2005, 09:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>aggie</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i don't think it is just a clone of some famous models, you konw now chinese vehicle industry developing fast. i am sure hover is certified and the quality is not bad it sells well in china and it has a show in italy motor show nowadays.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Dear Aggie, welcome to CSS. No one is saying that the automobile industry isn't growing rapidly in china, or that chinese auto companies are quickly learmning how to build and design vehicles. What I am saying is that even by today's standards, very few vehicles are designed entirely by chinese and manufactured in china (at least when it comes to road cars). The overwhelming majority of vehicles produced by the chinese auto industry (with few exceptions) owe all or part of their existance to vehicles produced and/or designed by non-chinese companies. And yes that includes knocked off vehicles and vehicles like the Hover.