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AM2
04-04-2005, 08:10 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/news/1119/norm_2_orig.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/news/1119/norm_3_orig.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/news/1119/norm_1_orig.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/news/1119/norm_6_orig.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B><I>Chery Tiggo <p>Chery, an aspiring Chinese carmaker introduced its new Tiggo off-roader last week.<p>Tiggo (Tiger), which was previously known as the T11 is a self-developed SUV with Toyota RAV4 overtones. According to a company press release Lotus and the Japanese MAE Corporation helped development.<p>Tiggo sits on a 2510 mm long platform, is 4285 mm long, 1765 mm wide, 1715 mm tall. It is powered by a Shenyang Mitsubishi 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine, capable of 95 kW @ 5500 rpm and 201 Nm @ 2500 - 3000 rpm.<p>Safety equipment includes ABS with EBD, dual front airbags, 16" alloy wheels, 235/60R16 tires, manual defroster, electronically adjustable driver's seat, metal paint, 6 CD autochanger.<p>Domestic sales will start in June, while export will commence later this year.</I></B><br>-www.autoindex.org<br> <br>-OK...what is this now... Its a Rav4 body plus Mitsubishi engine? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

beatnik
04-04-2005, 08:13 AM
when CR-V meets Rav-4 :D

bolita
04-04-2005, 08:15 AM
Licensed copy or not? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

TheJoyof6
04-04-2005, 09:25 AM
With an Infiniti emblem...

Dan J.
04-04-2005, 10:02 AM
The singing rear hatch is just idiotic . I would rather have a conventional hatch with a opening window. Even the dash looks kinda like the Rav-4 from what I can make out in the pic.

DoMiNo
04-04-2005, 10:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>beatnik</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when CR-V meets Rav-4 :D</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Precisely!! How can they get away with this?!

KebabGud
04-04-2005, 10:31 AM
didnt Honda sue them?<br>

boston
04-04-2005, 11:22 AM
RAv 4 dash, MDX/Honda exterior, 100inch wheelbase.

erzhik
04-04-2005, 01:06 PM
to me it looks like a RAV4 rip... the rear looks exactly the same, the front is a lil modified, rav4 dash, a complete rav4 interior... why would they rip it?

Santeno
04-04-2005, 01:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didnt Honda sue them?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>They've been suing everyone who copies their products, but the chinese government prefers to look the other way.

Pavilion
04-04-2005, 01:22 PM
Alright now, I understand that these people are trying to get their company off the ground, but this is just sad.

AM2
04-04-2005, 01:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to me it looks like a RAV4 rip... the rear looks exactly the same, the front is a lil modified, rav4 dash, a complete rav4 interior... why would they rip it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The body and interior does appear to be a Rav4 copy with modified details.<p>Tiggp-Rav4 comparisson.<br><IMG SRC="http://img140.exs.cx/img140/9174/tiggorav4014og.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img135.exs.cx/img135/4311/tiggorav4027zs.jpg" BORDER="0">

Rugbyplaya91
04-04-2005, 02:43 PM
my freaking gosh...<p>if they lower the price cheaper than the rav 4 then non loyal toyota customers can just cop dis and use cardboard to put toyota emblems on them

CalinG7
04-04-2005, 04:13 PM
These guys make me sick. Ripping off western technology through these forced, government-mandated joint ventures, ripping off western designs............... arghhhh!!!

Speedster S
04-04-2005, 04:44 PM
Why is it that the Chinnese cant make original designs. Toyota should Sue these guys.

Redline
04-04-2005, 04:49 PM
They probably will, but the Chinese government will ignore it and say the differences are enough that it's not a copy. I want to see what these guys will do when it comes time to export though.

SV
04-04-2005, 05:41 PM
i can't wait to see what toyota says about this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
04-04-2005, 09:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These guys make me sick. Ripping off western technology through these forced, government-mandated joint ventures, ripping off western designs............... arghhhh!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In this case, they were rpping off asian technology, specifically from Japan. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
04-04-2005, 10:02 PM
CalinG7: im shure that japan is to the east of china :P<br>

mrayemore
04-04-2005, 11:44 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> it's sad, really.. and they actually want to be taken seriously with these kind of products? to me (so far) all the cars i've seen from china are complete knock-offs.. like deformed versions of the originals. keep in mind that i said "the cars ive seen so far." anyways, until i see some original designs, i dont see any potential from china in terms of automobiles.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> sorry.. just my take on this whole thing.

Speedstick
04-05-2005, 04:55 AM
Looks exactly like the RAV4, but cheaper. And with a Kia Sorento front end.

Blackraven
04-05-2005, 06:06 AM
Pure copy. Heck, even the door handles are exactly the same as the Rav-4.<p><br>When will Cherry ever start making their own designs. If they continue to do this, they will have absolutely no place overseas.<p><br>No originality at all.

carmaniac
04-05-2005, 06:46 AM
has anyone realized this may actually be a RAV4 that has been modified for the Chinese market and sold under the Chery name?<p>A lot of foreign automakers have alliances with Chinese car makers to produce their models in China.

fockerRN
04-05-2005, 06:55 AM
By the time this Chery comes out, I'll bet the redesigned RAV4 will be coming out, so it may not be so much of an issue. However, that does not mean that this is not a complete design rip-off of the RAV lol.

DoMiNo
04-05-2005, 12:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>When will Cherry ever start making their own designs. If they continue to do this, they will have absolutely no place overseas.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Question is, with the Chinese domestic market growing the way it is, will they ever need a place overseas?<p>This nonetheless sickens me, as so many have said, if in fact this is not al licensed copy.

CalinG7
04-05-2005, 12:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CalinG7: im shure that japan is to the east of china :P<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>hmmmmmmmm....................... I thought it was just a little east of Ireland. I get what you're saying but for some reason I considered Japan as a Western country, in the cultural, economic sense. My main point, though, was about Chinese companies willfully stealing from all these other companies that invest millions and billions of dollars to come out with these designs or with the technology, but I'm sure you realized that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

Flagship
04-05-2005, 12:57 PM
The moment this car sets one foot(meter) out of China Toyota will get sue happy with this automaker. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

Redline
04-05-2005, 03:22 PM
Bingo, and so will many other automakers with other Chinese brands, and without the Chinese government there to protect them, they'll be sent running back to China. All in all you can't be a viable company just sell in one country and only limited amounts there due to high competition. Many of these manufacturers will die simply because they won't create their own cars.

hunbin11
04-05-2005, 03:32 PM
You can also find chinese copy of CR-V at the following links.<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28635&page=1&select=Subject&content=?" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...=?</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28634&page=1&select=Subject&content=?" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...=?</A><p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 3:39 PM 4/5/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 3:53 PM 4/5/2005</i>

hunbin11
04-05-2005, 03:41 PM
Here's another... Rear end copied X3 and front Sorento?<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28391&page=1&select=Subject&content=?" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...=?</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28390&page=1&select=Subject&content=?" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...=?</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=32296&page=1&select=Subject&content=중" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...1473;</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 3:46 PM 4/5/2005</i>

Rugbyplaya91
04-06-2005, 03:24 PM
lol they could have at leaast changed more than one letter<p> srv<br>Honda CRV

SV
04-06-2005, 04:01 PM
that CEO is just sad. the front and interior of a toyota prado/lexus GX470, and the side, rear and steering wheel of a BMW. that's so sad it's funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
04-06-2005, 04:07 PM
yea, but the CRV whoops the SRV is sadder, its an exact copy. How long has the chinese auto market been around. Comparing it to say anouther devoloping country India. I dont see Tata copying anyone after their first round of vehicles and some of the new Mahindras a not copies either while it seems the chinese copies keep coming

mzoltarp
04-07-2005, 05:31 AM
I'd love to see a settlement in which Chery can sell all the cars it wants in the USA and fire sale prices BUT slap them with a licensing fee of 3-5k per car. The infringement on the designs of other makers cannot go unpunished if Chery comes here.

The Frogshinator
04-07-2005, 11:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These guys make me sick. Ripping off western technology through these forced, government-mandated joint ventures, ripping off western designs............... arghhhh!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I full-heartly agree. I don't understand why these Chinese makers (such as Chery) steal (or 'inspire') foreign designs. Like the Chery in this topic...<p>1. The emblem is too much Infiniti.<br>2. One could mistake the rear as a RAV4.<br>3. I heard there was this other Chinese SUV (from another Chinese company, I believe) that looked too much like a CR-V. Thankfully, Honda sued the company.<p>If Chinese automakers want to grow in the automotive market, they need to start making their own designs.<p><br>- I'm new by the way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
04-07-2005, 12:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>The Frogshinator</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3. I heard there was this other Chinese SUV (from another Chinese company, I believe) that looked too much like a CR-V. Thankfully, Honda sued the company.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since 1997, Honda has filed 18 other lawsuits over piracy and copyright infringement against chinese companies. The one you are referring to is against Hebei Shuanghuan Auto, for their RABO S-RV model. I don't know the disposition of that suit, but I do know that Hebei Shuanghuan continues to sell the S-RV. Honda wants to build the CR-V in China together with Dongfeng, But amongst other things, find that they have to compete with is Shuanghuans knock-off, which sells for about US$10,869 (compared to what Honda charges for a Japanese made CR-V in China - US$36,240), about 1/3 the price of the Honda.<p>Then of course you have GMs Lawsuit against Chery (which caused SAIC to dump Chery as a partner), and Toyotas against Geely (which Toyota lost - twice). DCXs problems with Geely copying entire sections (grill logo and all) of at least 2 generations of the C-Class. And VW's problems against FAW (since resolved) over knocking-off older VW and Audi cars.<p>Here are the two cars so you can compare:<p>RABO (Laibao) S-RV<p><IMG SRC="http://www.cheenet.com/huiyuanyhui/image/laibao.gif" BORDER="0"><p>CR-V<p><IMG SRC="http://www.biltesten.no/img/biltester/honda_cr-v_001.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Do you think Honda might have a reason to complain (and Audi about the logo). I wonder where our chinese members go every time these cases of piracy show up. I would love to hear their opinions on this.

Krypton
04-07-2005, 01:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> I wonder where our chinese members go every time these cases of piracy show up. I would love to hear their opinions on this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So would I, but its a known fact that people will defend their country. I asked this kid whose going to china to get me some pics of these and he started going crazy how I was making things up and when i showed him the pictures he said that Honda is just making a cheaper version of the crv and selling it though anouther country. I gave up on him after that. Im also not bashing china, im practically chinese myself since the majority of my friends are asian

bolita
04-08-2005, 03:06 PM
Honda did start a law suit for that copy but I dont know how it ended. As China entered the WTO the government will have to eventually crack down on their piracy and intellectual property issues.

PlatForm
04-09-2005, 08:31 AM
its a terrible step done by Chinese carmaker.. they might have good image on automotive industry but if they do like this by copy other car design,it will not help to build China very own car design...and they wont have their own car identity like Japan,German and American...

The Frogshinator
04-09-2005, 09:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since 1997, Honda has filed 18 other lawsuits over piracy and copyright infringement against chinese companies. The one you are referring to is against Hebei Shuanghuan Auto, for their RABO S-RV model. I don't know the disposition of that suit, but I do know that Hebei Shuanghuan continues to sell the S-RV. Honda wants to build the CR-V in China together with Dongfeng, But amongst other things, find that they have to compete with is Shuanghuans knock-off, which sells for about US$10,869 (compared to what Honda charges for a Japanese made CR-V in China - US$36,240), about 1/3 the price of the Honda.<p>Then of course you have GMs Lawsuit against Chery (which caused SAIC to dump Chery as a partner), and Toyotas against Geely (which Toyota lost - twice). DCXs problems with Geely copying entire sections (grill logo and all) of at least 2 generations of the C-Class. And VW's problems against FAW (since resolved) over knocking-off older VW and Audi cars.<p>Here are the two cars so you can compare:<p>RABO (Laibao) S-RV<p><IMG SRC="http://www.cheenet.com/huiyuanyhui/image/laibao.gif" BORDER="0"><p>CR-V<p><IMG SRC="http://www.biltesten.no/img/biltester/honda_cr-v_001.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Do you think Honda might have a reason to complain (and Audi about the logo). I wonder where our chinese members go every time these cases of piracy show up. I would love to hear their opinions on this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Precisely what I'm talking about. Look at the name - S-RV. Even the name is nearly copied. hahaha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
04-09-2005, 09:51 AM
As much as I agree with you all, I think we should stop complaining about small automakers that are trying to get larger by building proper vehicles. They may start off this way, they can get better in future and stop copying, but I find it unnecesary to bash these automakers at this early point.

cowboysnkisses
04-09-2005, 03:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As much as I agree with you all, I think we should stop complaining about small automakers that are trying to get larger by building proper vehicles. They may start off this way, they can get better in future and stop copying, but I find it unnecesary to bash these automakers at this early point.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they can try to get larger by themselves without blatantly copying other manufacturers' designs. I'm sure Honda, Toyota, GM and all the others aren't happy knowing the chinese can buy vehicles that LOOK like theirs, but aren't. I find bashing these chinese "automakers" very appropriate in this case. I hope they get what they deserve. <p>Russian car manufacturers might not have the same skills and technology as their western (including japanese, korean, etc) counterparts, but at least they don't go about it by copying so blatantly. Yes, they might build uglier cars, but at least it's their own designs.<p>my $.02...

geary
04-10-2005, 02:03 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/aznzion/Picture_021.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Nice Nissan Frontier. It's called 'Safe' in China!

Superfresa
04-10-2005, 10:30 AM
Is that the brand name?

M0L0TOV
04-10-2005, 10:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is that the brand name?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's actually called the sing <A HREF="http://www.gwm.com.cn/eng/html/02_Models/07_sing/index.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.gwm.com.cn/eng/html...x.asp</A><p>M0L0TOV

nismo
04-10-2005, 01:28 PM
This is awful... something has to be done about this. These copies are too obvious. Atleast Brilliance seems to make their own styles though they may have "touches" from other designs...

Superfresa
04-10-2005, 01:33 PM
Could it be that they have permision from big companies to produce their cars, as a cost saving thing?

knihc2008
04-10-2005, 01:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>]<p>Do you think Honda might have a reason to complain (and Audi about the logo). I wonder where our chinese members go every time these cases of piracy show up. I would love to hear their opinions on this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>as a chinese member, i'd just say that this does sicken me, but i can't really say much on the subject unless i know what' sgoing on legally, etc, between the two auto manufacturers. the honda thing, obviously, there was no common ground, but this, well, we'll see.

Lakeshow23
04-10-2005, 02:29 PM
I must say, this is one of the funniest threads I've ever seen. These are straight ripoffs, and none of the Chinese models look nearly as good. I'm thinking that the Chinese Gov't is letting this happen, all to help that economy grow...

bolita
04-11-2005, 09:03 AM
I really doubt that this company is able to export these cars if they are not licensed...but then again given the size of the Chinese market I don't think they even care about exporting! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

cowboysnkisses
04-11-2005, 05:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>M0L0TOV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It's actually called the sing <A HREF="http://www.gwm.com.cn/eng/html/02_Models/07_sing/index.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.gwm.com.cn/eng/html...x.asp</A><p>M0L0TOV</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I find this bit at the bottom of their web pages most amusing:<p>"Copyright 2002-2005 Great Wall Automobile. All rights reserved." They're kidding, right?!?!? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

rock999
04-11-2005, 05:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ripping off western designs...............</TD></TR></TABLE><p>both honda and toyota are japanese...where does "western design" come from... probably the chinese are just taking a revenge against what the japanese did to them during WWII??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but i have to agree on the chinese's lack of respect towards others' designs...

Santeno
04-12-2005, 08:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rock999</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">probably the chinese are just taking a revenge against what the japanese did to them during WWII???</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Spare us the bulls<I></I>hit please. He already explained what he meant by western designs. As for the Chinese taking revenge on anyone, that is just a cartful of crap. I have high respect for chinese people (I have many chinese family members), but the truth is that the chinese government's unofficial policy is for chinese companies to obtain as much technology in practically any industry from the top manufacturers in the world. Little things like legalities have never stopped them. This BTW, is far from limited to Japanese or car companies. Almost every single industrial manufacturer that does business in china (or the region) has horror stories of going to a chinese convention (or a reginonal one with chinese companies) only to find identical chinese made versions of their products (including their latest ones) selling for fractions of the price. Everything from cars, to copiers, to RICE (yes rice - and I know this one from personal experience).<p>The Chinese government is obsessed with becoming a world economic and political power, and they are willing to do it no matter what the cost or at who's expense. So long as 1/6 of the world's population lives within china's borders, and their growing standard's of living make them an attractive costumer base for international companies, the chinese government will continue to behave the way it does now.<p>Of course there is always the potentially explosive matter of the 800,000,000 or so chinese who are not benefiting frm china's economic expansion. They could be a serious problem for china if their needs are not addressed.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 1:24 PM 4/12/2005</i>

bolita
04-12-2005, 09:25 AM
I agree with you Santeno. I think that the under the table Chinese Government position on this issue is that they want to shorten the learning time trame to begin to comepte head on with every sector of the economy. The question is that once they reach the same level will they invest in R&D on their own and pursue those who plagerize them?<p>I feel that the position will turn then and only then will China begin to compete fairly with the rest of the world...

spwolf
04-15-2005, 06:25 PM
I read an good article about Chery and how they are small and growing company from some provice in china that makes really bad cars right now but is builting an state of art new factory with European suppliers.<p>What they are trying to do with ripping off designs is sell their cars easily. It has nothing to do with research and development or quality. They are not copying the quality or manufacturing process of Rav4, but the looks so they can offer it to the customer at much lower price and sell it easy.<p>It is like buying those bad Dior sun glasses that brake in 5 days, but they do look almost the same.<p>Thats unlawful under any international law, but Chinese dont care about that. And nobody can do anything about it since they all want slice of huge Chinese market for their own products.<p>You cant even sell products in china unless they are made there, and you cant own an company there so basically Chinese are forcing competition to come in and do the hard work for them, while they flood the world with cheap product w/o any limits.<p>It will all change eventually but by then western competitors will build up Chinese expertise so you got to wonder what will happen then.

Hornbag
04-15-2005, 08:11 PM
well this isnt the first time the chinese have ripped of a company. i remember a case about a CR-V rip off, but Honda didnt win...<p>This is sad, i hate toyota, but this is pathetic...those pictures are like exact copys, with minor changes in the details...

Lakeshow23
04-15-2005, 09:15 PM
I'm still waiting for America (and countries in the "West" in general) to TAX THE sh** out of companies exporting products/goods to China. Why not? China doesn't want to participate in even some basic infringement laws, so tax the hell out of goods that are exported there (and companies exporting there), and it will force companies to raise the HELL out of prices of goods imported there. They want to capitalize, so should we. <p>-My take.

Santeno
04-17-2005, 04:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i remember a case about a CR-V rip off, but Honda didnt win...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Look a page 2 of this thread.

SV
04-17-2005, 04:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lakeshow23</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm still waiting for America (and countries in the "West" in general) to TAX THE sh** out of companies exporting products/goods to China. Why not? China doesn't want to participate in even some basic infringement laws, so tax the hell out of goods that are exported there (and companies exporting there), and it will force companies to raise the HELL out of prices of goods imported there. They want to capitalize, so should we. <p>-My take.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you know, that's a really good idea. the only problem is the US might not want to damage foreign relations w/ china. still, it would teach them (china) a lesson.

anonms
04-17-2005, 04:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I wonder where our chinese members go every time these cases of piracy show up. I would love to hear their opinions on this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My grandparents on both sides fled to Taiwan during the Communist revolution, so I associate myself more with the ROC than the PRC.<p>That said, my opinion is "Screw the mainland. They blow chunks. They piss me off more and more every day."

anonms
04-17-2005, 04:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>the only problem is the US might not want to damage foreign relations w/ china. still, it would teach them (china) a lesson.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Considering that the US, along with Australia and New Zealand, have declared that they'll side with Taiwan if China attacks, the foreign relations you speak of might end up dissapating anyways.

Hornbag
04-19-2005, 03:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Look a page 2 of this thread.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thx.<p>This is tradgic...i still cant c how they get away with this...

Nurburgring
04-20-2005, 02:08 PM
The front end looks strikingly similar to the Hyundai Terracan.I mean the grille and the headlights.

PlatForm
04-24-2005, 10:15 AM
can anyone explain is it what chinese carmaker done is legal or not??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>im sure is not legal rite?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:55 AM 4/25/2005</i>

bolita
04-25-2005, 08:11 AM
It is obviously illegal to copy somebody else's design as it infrignes copyright laws... however, in China this seems to not be a problem! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

hunbin11
04-28-2005, 06:44 AM
It is not just cars Chinese auto industry is copying.... They are copying commercials, too.<p><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1114618594.jpg" BORDER="0">

mwkmn
04-28-2005, 11:30 AM
I'm really wondering how far they'll get with all that copy-pasting.

bolita
04-29-2005, 08:18 AM
I am amazed at the copying capacity of these companies... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This will eventually need to stop, the issue is when! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">