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Charger
04-01-2005, 12:51 PM
We dont have a Solstice thread so I just made one, along with showing an official Solstice with the top up.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=992" BORDER="0"> <br>source: Pontiac

AM2
04-01-2005, 01:01 PM
Thats interesting...<p>Here's a cutway Drawing of the Solstice<br><IMG SRC="http://www.solsticeforum.com/photopost/data/3030/26cutaway-med.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>-solsticeforum<br>

erzhik
04-01-2005, 01:03 PM
is that a 350Z rival?

Charger
04-01-2005, 01:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is that a 350Z rival?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, the 350Z starts at $26,700 and the Solstice will be under 20K (Until dealers slap on the higher prices) So I guess they could but price wise I guess they arent, Im not sure.

AM2
04-01-2005, 01:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is that a 350Z rival?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its more of a Mazda MX-5 Miata competitor. <br>

Dodger
04-01-2005, 01:55 PM
I was just looking at the Pontiac website and pictures of the Solstice- did you guys know that it has a front hinged hood compared to the standard setup? Kind of cool. The headlights come up with the hood when it is lifted too.

Santeno
04-01-2005, 02:02 PM
That might look cool, but it makes working in the engine bay a royal pain in the ass. My first RX-7 was like that and I cringed every time I had to do work in the forward part of the engine bay.

syclone
04-01-2005, 09:01 PM
The front hinged hood can work well if things inside are set up for it and its not all for looks. the c4 corvette had a forward hinged hood, but it was actually quite easy to work on imo

LEXUS FAN!
04-01-2005, 11:53 PM
there are more pictures on pontiac's official website

Redline
04-02-2005, 07:51 AM
Well, I can see why we haven't seen the top up until now. I still think Pontiac is going to be pretty suprised when they compare sales of this to the MX-5. It just seems like they made a nice interior a priority, but ignored the soul that made the MX-5 such a success. Of course that's yet to be seen, but it should be interesting to see the first head-to-head comparison of the two.

dukedb9
04-02-2005, 10:27 AM
Looking at the transparent shot - is that a double wishbone suspension in back? If so, wow. GM is finally coughing up some cash for more modern suspensions. Cool.<p>Covertiable only right?

Velocitas
04-02-2005, 01:55 PM
<br>Yes, four wheel double wishbone on a hydroformed frame. I'd love to have seen a hardtop, but the Kappa chassis is still the best thing to come out of GM in a long time. This might be heresy, but I think it could turn out to be even better than the C6 chassis. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><br>

Naga Royal Guard
04-02-2005, 02:07 PM
those reverse lamp indicators w/ the 1/2 red lens came off the bumper of the envoy?

JBlair
04-02-2005, 02:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">those reverse lamp indicators w/ the 1/2 red lens came off the bumper of the envoy?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup. Part of the effort to make the thing more affordable.

Naga Royal Guard
04-02-2005, 02:18 PM
thoughtso, its a good thing to do but im sure they have an existing lens that would match the car better

Cozz
04-02-2005, 02:30 PM
I'm impressed so far. I want to see some articles on it. Hopefully GM won't mess up a good thing.

megadethmartyr
04-02-2005, 02:42 PM
I too am very impressed. First decent looking Pontiac in a long time.

KebabGud
04-02-2005, 04:42 PM
Cool car .. 1 problem<br>yet another mistake by GM ..<br>Pontiac solstice and Saturn Sky...<br>they are almost identical.. WHEN WILL THEY LEARN!<p>ok the front is diffrent .. ok .. but when the rest is identical .. its just no fun..<br>and the Saturn is nicer.. looks more aggresiv..<p><IMG SRC="http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/9388528184227264.JPG?0.5885237024360424" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-02-2005, 04:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool car .. 1 problem<br>yet another mistake by GM ..<br>Pontiac solstice and Saturn Sky...<br>they are almost identical.. WHEN WILL THEY LEARN!<p>ok the front is diffrent .. ok .. but when the rest is identical .. its just no fun..<br>and the Saturn is nicer.. looks more aggresiv..<p><IMG SRC="http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/9388528184227264.JPG?0.5885237024360424" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The saturn and Pontiac share NOTHING in terms of the exterior design. For goodness' sake, even the interior is unique for the saturn.

KebabGud
04-02-2005, 05:15 PM
the mirrors and the whindow is identical..<br>the basic shape of the front and rear lights are the same ..<br>but still .. the overall design is diffrent.. but still ..<br>GM is compeating with ... GM.. the pontiac is usless.. its ugly compared to the saturn..<br>(im glad we dont get 2-3 difrent versions of the same car here in europe..)

IcedG35
04-02-2005, 05:16 PM
Both seem to be lacking under the hood. Such sporty exterior designs should get a little more than 170hp.

Cozz
04-02-2005, 05:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the mirrors and the whindow is identical..<br>the basic shape of the front and rear lights are the same ..<br>but still .. the overall design is diffrent.. but still ..<br>GM is compeating with ... GM.. the pontiac is usless.. its ugly compared to the saturn..<br>(im glad we dont get 2-3 difrent versions of the same car here in europe..)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't really think it will be GM vs. GM. The imports have been slowly walking away from small sports coupes.

KebabGud
04-02-2005, 05:36 PM
yes .. the MX5 always wins :P<br>and i dont think the idea of a 2seater small sportscar is dead over at Toyota..<br>might not be a new MR car .. bur there will be a new 4cyl 2seater...

Cozz
04-02-2005, 06:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes .. the MX5 always wins :P<br>and i dont think the idea of a 2seater small sportscar is dead over at Toyota..<br>might not be a new MR car .. bur there will be a new 4cyl 2seater...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>True but Toyota will have a higher price tag with the same features... we'll see.

JBlair
04-02-2005, 06:37 PM
BTW, Pontiac has officially begun advertising the Solstice in a commercial that also features the G6 sedan and coupe. (They're using a sweet song called 'Club foot' by the band Kasabian in it as well).

FordRules
04-02-2005, 10:46 PM
i get to see the solstice i person tommorow at the 2005 pias

AM2
04-03-2005, 10:37 AM
Remember this from the old carspyshots messageboard?<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chevy2005</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> THE PONTIAC SOLSTICE IS NOT GOING TO BE A 2 SEATER. I just returned from a GM Dealer Only car show and we were shown the Solstice along with other vehicles. GM has decided to make the Solstice a 4 seater convertible starting under $20,000.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>If you are here now... I guess you can see that the Solstice is very much a 2-seater. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Rugbyplaya91
04-03-2005, 11:57 AM
hmph.. well sense they took away the firebird i really don't care much for pontiac anymore:(

boston
04-03-2005, 07:39 PM
Will someone please slap those powertrain engineers? 170hp is laughable, esp above $20k<br>

Uberwagon
04-03-2005, 08:57 PM
Ha! Good call on that "4-seater" Solstice AM2! Car dealers and reps NEVER have the inside scoop. They usually get information on coming models just before or when the public does. They'll act like insiders but the fact is, they aren't trustworthy, so manufacturers keep 'em in the dark! We laugh for hours about the the BS salesmen and reps spread around.<p>I think this could be a genuine sports car -- perhaps something worthy of one-design track series (a la spec Miata). the 170 hp has me wondering but, if the weight is under 3200lbs, it could have some life. Given recent trends, I think we can count on high hp models following...But at $20k (let's say $22k with a few power goodies) this is a pretty good buy for a modern sports car.

Dodger
04-14-2005, 08:35 AM
Tonight on <I>The Apprentice</I> the teams need to come up with a brochure about the new Solstice. Another GM marketing campaign.<p>Read about it here: <A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0504/14/B01-150158.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/au...8.htm</A>

CalinG7
04-14-2005, 01:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(im glad we dont get 2-3 difrent versions of the same car here in europe..)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>.......... VW Golf, Audi A4, Skoda Octavia(?), Seat Leon(?)..................<p>......... Ford Focus, Mazda 3, Volvo, S/V 40 .......................<p>......... Peugeot 307, Citroen C4............ 407/C5, 207/C3<p>.......... Peugeot 107, Citroen C3, Toyota Aygo.....................<p>............ Peugeot 806, Citroen minivan, Fiat minivan, Lancia minivan............<p>...........empty words!!

erzhik
04-14-2005, 03:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Its more of a Mazda MX-5 Miata competitor. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Miata?<br>This is way much better looking than Miata..

Dodger
04-14-2005, 03:46 PM
There is a new Miata on the way and I think he meant more in the overall performance/ handling category, not looks<p>--&gt; I just saw a Solstice commercial and Pontiac is going to start taking early orders for them tomorrow Apr 15<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Dodger at 6:43 PM 4/14/2005</i>

nismo
04-14-2005, 11:34 PM
After seeing this in person I like the Saturn SKY more... but the New Miata would get my money in this class..

summersun54
04-15-2005, 02:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will someone please slap those powertrain engineers? 170hp is laughable, esp above $20k<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>why? what is the power output in the mx5 and how much is it in US$??<p>does anyone actually know it weighs 3200 pounds or is this pure speculation..and since no one has actually driven a solice, sky or a new mx5 it is hard to compare other than on style alone ..and seen as the pontiac has been around the auto shows for a few years ,one should be well used to its style by now..(love it or hate it..)<br>

AM2
04-15-2005, 03:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>summersun54</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>why? what is the power output in the mx5 and how much is it in US$??<p>does anyone actually know it weighs 3200 pounds or is this pure speculation.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Solstice should weigh less than 2900lbs. ...I think the Miata is still lighter though.<p>The new Miata has 160bhp and should be priced in the mid to low 20's<br>

knicks125
04-15-2005, 05:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will someone please slap those powertrain engineers? 170hp is laughable, esp above $20k<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>First, I am pretty sure it's 177hp. Second, that's plenty enough for a roadster that weighs close to a MX-5 (too bad it will no longer be called a miata, officially). 0-60 are defn better than many midsize sedans in the 200+ range.<p><B>PS: AM2 is correct...Official spec shows the weight of the car being 2,860 lbs, which is more than the MX-5</B><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 10:45 AM 4/15/2005</i>

spwolf
04-15-2005, 09:23 AM
It is really an good looking car, and it is shame about 2 things -<p>1. GM's rebadging simply lowers the coolness of the vehicle.<br>2. 2,900lbs is some 500lbs heavier than what it should be.<p>It looks great and pricing is OK - I say ok, because for 20k you get car without ABS, A/C and powerdoors/windows - in 2005? So basically expect to be paying 23k at least for what should be an base car.<p>Performance will be ok for sure, it is an decent engine with good torque but at some 500lbs more than Miata, it will be slower and handle worse for about the same.<p>Thats ok, because it is good looking car, just a bit too heavy and not that greatly priced as it first appears. Its curb weight is also w/o all these things that will add at least 50lbs.<p>Forget that its power is "enough", no it is not at that price, same as Miata's and MR2's are not which I why I have an turbo in mine :-).

spwolf
04-15-2005, 09:30 AM
p.s. this is what Toyota did with tC, gave it heavier platform for lesser cost, but also managed to cram in a lot of stuff for low, low 16.5k priced 5 seater coupe. Did Solstice really have to weight as much as tC with 10" smaller wheelbase? Makes no sense that they could not shave more pounds even if using heavier platform itself.<p>Even MR2 does not use ANY fancy production techniques, yet manages to weight only 2,200lbs and even have bigger wheelbase... Too bad they didnt plan 2zz version from start on, their loss!!!

Dodger
04-15-2005, 09:36 AM
This may sound rediculous but I do judge a car, to some extent, on how the door sounds when it is shut- I think it should have a good, quality thud. Last night on the <I>The Apprentice</I>, the teams got to sit in the car and check it out. When one of them got in the car, he shut the door and it sounded like sh**! Just a minor thing but come on...

JBlair
04-15-2005, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This may sound rediculous but I do judge a car, to some extent, on how the door sounds when it is shut- I think it should have a good, quality thud. Last night on the <I>The Apprentice</I>, the teams got to sit in the car and check it out. When one of them got in the car, he shut the door and it sounded like sh**! Just a minor thing but come on...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pre-production model, thats all. The likelihood is that the car they sat on was well worn and used, and not up to production standards.

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 10:14 AM
Short wheelbase makes for lively, responsive handling for sportscars. Longer wheelbases are generally better for GT's. MR-2 was longer because it's mid-engine.<p>Weight of the Solstice and other sports cars is often due to the increased torsional needs of the platform (stiffness). This one is very wide (allowing a sizeable cabin), very safe (modern crash systems) and is very stiff at the same time. This will allow the chassis to handle more HP someday, hopefully.

sanbar778
04-15-2005, 11:28 AM
I agree with the door shut sounds statement but I think you have to take into consideration that this is a soft-top car. I just bought an A4 cabrio and it is porbably one of the (if not THE) most solid convert. out there. My doors really don't sound that great when you shut them compaird to the sedan version. The 3-series I test drove sounded even worse and these are both solid, well-built vehicles. I really think not having a steel roof for around the foor frame has a great deal to do with what the door shut sound is like.

DoMiNo
04-15-2005, 12:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Pre-production model, thats all. The likelihood is that the car they sat on was well worn and used, and not up to production standards.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is probably true... the plaque in the car was "1 out of 1000" (there's a limited edition of the first 1000 cars) but this could have been just for brochure photography purposes... it could not possibly have been a production model...<p>But I noticed the same thing! My '95 Miata's doors sounded better, even with the top and windows down. I sincerely hope it's something they've addressed.<p><I>THE APPRENTICE</I>, however, simply reinforced my lust for this car. I never thought I'd use this term to describe a Pontiac, but wow. This car is flat out beautiful. The Pontiac commercials during the show also had some great shots of the G6 coupe, which has grown on me!<p>Of course my heart still lies with the Miata <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DoMiNo at 12:18 PM 4/15/2005</i>

spwolf
04-15-2005, 06:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Short wheelbase makes for lively, responsive handling for sportscars. Longer wheelbases are generally better for GT's. MR-2 was longer because it's mid-engine.<p>Weight of the Solstice and other sports cars is often due to the increased torsional needs of the platform (stiffness). This one is very wide (allowing a sizeable cabin), very safe (modern crash systems) and is very stiff at the same time. This will allow the chassis to handle more HP someday, hopefully.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>eh, not really. You are painting an broad picture here. Short wheelbase 2 seater does not have to weigh 2,900lbs, only reason for it is because they are using non-dedicated platform to lower the cost. Very simple.<p>As to the short wheelbase, it has decent wheelbase, it definetly helps to have bigger interior and weight distribution is better with shorter overhangs. Long wheelbase would be 110", for "GT" cars and there is a lot between 95" of Solstice and 110" :-). Obviously perfect choice would be to make wheelbase as big as possible, w/ as little weight gain as possible, in order to push engine inwards and get bigger cabin.<p>Problem with weight and performance is that when you have more weight, you need a lot more engine to make it go fast, and then you need a lot more of everything else to work with that (suspension, tires, brakes), so to make Solstice as capable as Miata or MR-S, you have to get a lot more upgrades.<p>Safety doesnt require 2900lbs either, there are quite few cars below 2,300lbs that got 4 and ever 5 star ratings in Europe.<p>Again, nothing wrong with that, it is just that with some 300lbs less you would be able to do much more with the car.<p>But it does look great, and should be very popular, Lutz gave a lot into this car. Dont take my post as negative one.

spwolf
04-15-2005, 06:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sanbar778</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with the door shut sounds statement but I think you have to take into consideration that this is a soft-top car. I just bought an A4 cabrio and it is porbably one of the (if not THE) most solid convert. out there. My doors really don't sound that great when you shut them compaird to the sedan version. The 3-series I test drove sounded even worse and these are both solid, well-built vehicles. I really think not having a steel roof for around the foor frame has a great deal to do with what the door shut sound is like. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>you are very correct, in fact, if you roll your window down, in any car, and shut the door, "quality" will not feel the same. Of course, I doubt GM made door closing their priority either but it is something you have to live in any convertible - no matter what they do, you can not make convertible as solid as solid roof car, it simply is not possible.<p>p.s. I also read on Solstice forums that roof is a bit complicated to close down, several steps and required to go outside the vehicle.

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 10:45 PM
Good points spywolf. We differ on semantics. This car definitely gains a few pounds from shared components not dedicated to the model. But I applaud GM for making the effort so those pounds are welcome: Just more to love, I say! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I've never owned a convertible personally but my experience is the same: It's nearly impossible to get those doors to shut with a nice, solid thud. Strangely, the best car I've ever had in this regard was a Pennsylvania-built Mk I Rabbit GTI. Of course, the doors started sagging after a few years but otherwise, they sounded great!<p>I guess it's just one of those black arts. Let's hope the engineers at Pontiac master it so some of us can feel better about buying a GM vehicle.

AXLE
04-16-2005, 12:06 AM
As much as I hate to say it, GM North America has actually made something that looks half decent. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.......... VW Golf, Audi A4, Skoda Octavia(?), Seat Leon(?)..................<p>......... Ford Focus, Mazda 3, Volvo, S/V 40 .......................<p>......... Peugeot 307, Citroen C4............ 407/C5, 207/C3<p>.......... Peugeot 107, Citroen C3, Toyota Aygo.....................<p>............ Peugeot 806, Citroen minivan, Fiat minivan, Lancia minivan............<p>...........empty words!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Im sorry but the Ford Focus, Mazda 3 and Volvo S40 are very, and I mean VERY different cars. Just because they share the same platform does not automatically make them triplets.

-Peter-
04-16-2005, 02:10 AM
I agree with Axle. Only those Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota-triplets and PSA/fiat minivans share the same body, and still every car is made to look more different than GM does with their re-badged cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>only those cars that arent so big sellers in europe (large minivans, for example Ford galaxy/VW sharan) can be re-badged, the b and c-segments are so competing that people would know if there is rebadged cars.

spwolf
04-16-2005, 02:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>-Peter-</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with Axle. Only those Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota-triplets and PSA/fiat minivans share the same body, and still every car is made to look more different than GM does with their re-badged cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>only those cars that arent so big sellers in europe (large minivans, for example Ford galaxy/VW sharan) can be re-badged, the b and c-segments are so competing that people would know if there is rebadged cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>and keep in mind that even shared minivans in europe did not go well with the public.<br>I guess GM is just being GM :-).<p>Uberwagon - it is not that hard to make doors clunk well in normal car, our european toyota's now close better than german cars, because toyota indentified that as one of the ways europeans judge quality. Of course, only new models, but it is quite funny how "cheap" Corolla's door closes much "better" than Land Cruiser 100's that costs about 5x more here :-).

AM2
04-16-2005, 01:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AXLE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Im sorry but the Ford Focus, Mazda 3 and Volvo S40 are very, and I mean VERY different cars. Just because they share the same platform does not automatically make them triplets.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They are different, only an estimated 40% of the platform are shared between the 3 brands.

knicks125
04-25-2005, 07:42 AM
sources are saying the the sale date for the solstice will be delayed until the fall (Sept.).<p>Yeah...good job on missing a whole driving season (summer), looks like Pontiac/GM will have to wait until next year to sell a lot of these puppies...

Nick
04-26-2005, 09:46 AM
here are a couple articles on it <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Summer won't see hot GM roadster<p>Despite all the hype, Solstice in short supply until the fall<p>April 26, 2005<p>BY SARAH A. WEBSTER<br>FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER<p>The edgy little two-seat convertible that the ailing General Motors Corp. was counting on to bring some buzz to its suffering Pontiac brand won't make it to showrooms in significant numbers until after the summer driving season has ended.<p>The Pontiac Solstice was the most exciting vehicle GM had in its hopeful bag of tricks, and as recently as two weeks ago, the company was saying it would be available this summer.<p>But on Monday, company officials said the roadster, which generated a wave of preorder buzz after its recent marketing premiere on NBC's "The Apprentice," won't be widely available in showrooms until this fall.<p>The first 1,000 customers who put money down after the promotion for a limited-edition run of the Solstice -- which will have exclusive badging and a certificate of authenticity -- will have to wait four months or more before they can take a ride in their new car. So will the 5,000 drivers who have preordered the vehicle or put their name on a waiting list for it.<p>Most of the new Solstices won't arrive until after Sept. 1, said Pontiac spokeswoman Mary Henige.<p>"Will some vehicles come out in the summer? Sure," she said, adding that the vast majority will not. "I wish I knew exactly. ... We really haven't pinned ourselves down."<p>Catherine Madden, an auto-production analyst at Global Insight, an economic-research firm based in Lexington, Mass., said she expected GM to launch the Solstice in late April or early May, with initial deliveries to dealerships in July and August.<p>"We expected deliveries this summer," she said, calling the news a surprise. "It's certainly not what we expected."<p>Jesse Toprak, director of pricing and market analysis for the automotive Web site Edmunds.com, had predicted the stylish Solstice, which starts at $19,995, would be so hot this summer that it would sell well above its reasonable selling price -- a big change for GM, which is more accustomed to discounting its vehicles with thousands of dollars in cash-back rebates.<p>After hearing that the vehicle won't hit showrooms until the fall, though, Toprak isn't so sure now.<p>"I do think that this is going to affect them negatively," Toprak said. "Coming out with a roadster in the fall is certainly not the brightest idea."<p>The Solstice was developed in 27 months, which Henige said is the fastest development time to date for an all-new vehicle architecture at GM. Development times have typically run about 48 months on new vehicles, but are being sped up as competition in the automotive industry continues to heat up and consumers want increasingly new and exciting vehicles.<p>That quick turnaround time may have caused problems. According to Automotive News, the Solstice is being delayed because of problems with the fit of the front bumper and convertible top.<p>Stefan Weinmann, GM's manufacturing spokesman, would not comment on the report.<p>"We're committed to delivering top-quality vehicles to our customers," he said. "We have an excellent track record."<p>GM's customers reported about 1.2 problems per vehicle in the first 90 days of ownership of a new car or truck, close to the industrywide average of 1.19, according to the most recent quality survey by J.D. Power and Associates. However, in long-term quality, which measures problems with 3-year-old vehicles, GM fares better than the industry average. GM consumers reported 2.62 problems with their vehicles, compared with an industrywide average of 2.69.<p>Despite GM's improving quality record, the news about the Solstice delay was announced the same day the automaker reported that it is voluntarily recalling more than 2 million vehicles, primarily because of seat belt design problems.<p>The Solstice promotion also marks the second time in the past year that GM has had a major marketing event in which the vehicle was not yet widely available for consumers to look at in showrooms or drive home.<p>In September, GM launched the G6 midsized sedan with a much-hyped giveaway on the "Oprah Winfrey Show," but not all dealerships had a G6 in their showrooms at the time, and only one version was being produced.<p>More than six months later, only V6 sedan versions of the G6, a more expensive version of the vehicle, are available in dealerships. The more affordable coupe and four-cylinder engine version won't be available until this summer, Henige said. A retractable hardtop convertible version is scheduled to hit showrooms in early 2006.<p>GM has recently released a series of passenger cars that have, arguably, received a lukewarm response in the marketplace, such as the G6, Buick LaCrosse and Chevrolet Cobalt.<p>That reception hasn't helped GM, which recently reported one of its worst quarters in years, a loss of $1.1 billion in the January-March period. Its share of the U.S. market slipped to 25.7 percent in the first quarter of the year, from 27 percent a year ago.<p>The Pontiac brand hasn't helped. It's been one of the anchors helping to sink the world's largest automaker. Pontiac sales for the first quarter of the year were down 17.1 percent, compared with sales in the same quarter a year ago.<p>So the edgy Solstice was the shazam that many experts said the sore GM needed.<p>But it's unclear whether consumers who want a convertible think the Solstice is hot enough to wait through the summer for. If they don't, maybe the Solstice won't be the genie GM needs after all.</TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> See you in September: Production snafus may delay launch of Pontiac Solstice roadster until fall<br>JASON STEIN | Automotive News and ROBERT SHEREFKIN | Automotive News<br>Posted Date: 4/25/05<p>snaDETROIT -- If early orders are an indication, Pontiac could have a winner in its Solstice roadster. GM quickly booked 1,000 orders for the two-seat convertible this month during a TV promotion.<p>But now GM says it won't ship a significant number of Solstices to dealerships until this fall - well past its summer target date meant to coincide with the peak of the convertible selling season.<p>Industry sources say fit problems are delaying the launch at GM's Wilmington, Del., plant.<p>In material distributed to reporters in January at the Detroit auto show, Pontiac said the Solstice was "expected in Pontiac showrooms in mid-2005." But GMTV, GM's Webcast media site, said last week that the car won't be on dealer lots until the fourth quarter. GM spokesmen say the Solstice will arrive in substantial quantities in late September or early October.<p>Dealers are cautious<p>Several Pontiac dealers say they are not promising delivery to customers until the fall, even though some vehicles may trickle out before then.<p>One Pontiac dealership in Houston was able to order four of the first vehicles - but GM has told the dealership the vehicles may not arrive until October.<p>"Now we're saying, 'Hey, you can expect it in August or two months after that," says Joe Pierce, a new-car sales manager at Beck & Masten Pontiac-GMC. Pontiac gave no reason for the delay, Pierce says.<p>"They are being really vague about it," he says. "It's hard to give an estimate on time."<p>Why the change?<p>Multiple sources close to the situation at the Wilmington, Del., plant say the Solstice is suffering from fit problems on the front fascia and convertible top.<p>Pontiac says it is "underpromising and overdelivering" to make sure cars satisfy customers.<p>"Quality is the biggest issue," says Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson. "That's the critical element at this point, getting the last little bit taken care of."<p>Pontiac would not elaborate on quality issues. But it said nearly all startup programs have issues.<p>A spokesman for UAW Local 435 at Wilmington refused comment.<p>The Solstice, championed by GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz, is built on the new Kappa rear-wheel-drive architecture. The automaker used a rapid development cycle for the vehicle.<p>Lori Queen, vehicle line executive for small cars, has said GM "blew up the entire vehicle-development process" in developing the Solstice.<p>GM tested ride and handling by computer simulation.<p>GM also is using a new hydroform stamping technique, cutting tooling costs and time.<p>"We are trying to do this extremely fast for GM," Hopson says. "It really is an experimental program, and we want to make absolutely certain we get it right."<p>Some dealers have expressed frustration with the delay because of the hype generated by Pontiac's marketing campaign involving "The Apprentice" TV show in mid-April.<p>The show dealt with the creation of a marketing theme for the Solstice, and Pontiac announced it would take orders for the first 1,000 cars.<p>GM says all 1,000 orders were placed, backed by $500 deposits.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dan J.
04-26-2005, 10:56 AM
With all the current problems GM is having and the recent recall on SUV's they are being caucious. All GM needs is a botched introduction for the Solstice.

Mindless T
04-26-2005, 11:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Short wheelbase makes for lively, responsive handling for sportscars. Longer wheelbases are generally better for GT's. MR-2 was longer because it's mid-engine.<p>Weight of the Solstice and other sports cars is often due to the increased torsional needs of the platform (stiffness). This one is very wide (allowing a sizeable cabin), very safe (modern crash systems) and is very stiff at the same time. This will allow the chassis to handle more HP someday, hopefully.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The car will be more stable and predictable under acceleration and braking with a longer wheelbase though.<br>

Uberwagon
05-03-2005, 02:21 PM
Yes, that's true to a degree, which is why GT's typically use a long wheebase chassis. But stability under acceleration and braking is mostly a component of suspension tuning and balance. Wheelbase affects issues of cornering (short) and stability at speed (long)<p>A great example is the old early 60's 250GT Ferraris: There were SWB (short wheelbase) versions with low rotational mass for short, tight tracks. Then there LWB (long) for fast, high-speed races like tours. Each had their place.<p>The Miata has largely been a very agile SWB for tight cornering. The Solstice, I don't know. Probably a nice balance, maybe? We'll see how it's set up soon!

tele
07-14-2005, 06:50 AM
real life pictures:<br> <A HREF="http://carimages.blogspot.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://carimages.blogspot.com/</A><br>

Monkey
07-14-2005, 08:05 AM
Michigan plates, on a European street???

StevenZoz
07-17-2005, 05:40 PM
does anyone have any idea when GM will update their websites with the ability to build 2006 vehicles (i.e. impala, solstice, lucerne, 9-3 sport combi)

Nurburgring
07-17-2005, 06:41 PM
I think the prices for the Impala has been released for Canada. I'll post the info on the Impala thread.

knicks125
07-17-2005, 08:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does anyone have any idea when GM will update their websites with the ability to build 2006 vehicles (i.e. impala, solstice, lucerne, 9-3 sport combi)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I might be wrong but specs of all of the cars have been posted on the website, including prices of trim lines, packages, and options (i know the solstice has)<p>As far as spec one out on the website, soon...I guess<p>Or, you can manually spec one out based on the prices that have been given on the website.

goblue9976
07-21-2005, 05:52 PM
I have a video of a Red Solstice. Obviusly, the issue with the 'vert top not being correct is been resolved. Also, it seems like the problem with the front facia has been fixed. I was out for a bike ride when I saw it, and rode home to get the camara, and as you all know, michigan roads suck, and to get a clear shot, i had to take a video. Attached are sreenshots. <br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/solstice6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...6.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/solstice5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/solstice3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/solstice2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/solstice1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...1.jpg</A>

Nick
07-21-2005, 06:09 PM
I like it in red...looks great, though this should be in the new cars section as these aren't really spyshots...I believe GM is starting to deliver the first 1000 solsti (?) to their customers and they will start hitting dealer lots in August if I am correct.

goblue9976
07-21-2005, 06:12 PM
now that you say it, yea it should be in the New Car section. It did however, have Manu. plates.

Roadster44
07-21-2005, 11:00 PM
Where in Michigan was this? Bloomfield Hills?

knicks125
07-22-2005, 05:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>goblue9976</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now that you say it, yea it should be in the New Car section. It did however, have Manu. plates.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If this is the GXP trim then it would be a different story. Otherwise, the Solstice will be in your dealers in August

goblue9976
07-22-2005, 06:44 AM
I saw it a few blocks from my house in Farmington Hills actully, why?<p>also, How could i tell ifit was a GXP? Dont you guys think it be easyer to have a GXP badged as anormal solstice? or are there some body changes...

against the wall
07-22-2005, 07:30 AM
well there would probably be dual tailpipes.

Nick
07-22-2005, 10:26 AM
not necessarily...the gxp will be a supercharged version of the current...it would be kinda stupid if you ask me to put dual pipes on an inline engine...

CosworthKid
07-22-2005, 11:08 AM
This car was also rumoured to be badged as an Opel/Vauxhall Speedster/VX Mk2 and if i'm not mistaken was also designed by a British designer(the Saturn one at least).Does anybody know if they will indeed come to Europe wearing Opel badges??Great looking cars btw

Santeno
07-22-2005, 11:58 AM
As I understand it, the saturn version is the one that has been planned to be shared with Opel/Vauxhall. I'm not positive if that plan is still active or not though. Perhaps someone can verify.

CosworthKid
07-23-2005, 07:42 AM
I hope it does make it to Europe,it's a fantastic looking car and one of the best looking American cars i've seen since the '60's!!This and the new Mustang GT-500 of course <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
09-15-2005, 07:09 PM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=107244" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07244</A><p><B>Full Test: 2006 Pontiac Solstice</B>

StevenZoz
09-15-2005, 07:22 PM
it just became available for build and price on pontiac.com today.

Ascariss
09-16-2005, 08:28 AM
Saw it at the local car meet for classics and hotrod, I could post a picture, but there really is no point, plus some idiots opened the hood, so the picture is mostly of the hood/front and interior.<p>Still for 25k canadian, it is a great deal, even my brother liked it, who isn't a fan of domestics. HHR was also there, thought it was bigger, it looks rather small though.

erzhik
09-16-2005, 09:24 AM
Saw 2 black and 1 red today.

Redline
09-16-2005, 01:12 PM
Its certainly gorgeous, and apparently they did get the drive pretty good after all. There wasn't a lot of connection between driver and car mentioned, but supposedly the handling is top rate. It looks like someone finally made a car good enough to fight the MX-5. My money would still go to the MX-5 though, I like the interior better, it looks much nicer than the interior of the Solstice in my opinion, and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for performance. Overall I am seriously impressed with this car and would give it a look if I was looking at a MX-5 and that is saying a lot from someone like me who loves Mx-5s.

Rugbyplaya91
09-16-2005, 06:31 PM
i saw one today it looks really good in black, couldn't snap it cuz i didn't have my camera.

knicks125
09-20-2005, 06:55 AM
Edmunds reports the car is selling as much as 6k over msrp. I know the car is great and I like it a lot but personally I'd not pay over msrp on this. I'd settle find a used one a year or two from now or just get the sky <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
09-20-2005, 08:10 AM
The Sky is going to go for over MSRP when it comes out as well. This is more bad news for the MX-5 though. From some of the owners at various forums, they have paid MSRP or only around $500 over. So if they are able to command a $6000 premium vs. a $500 one, it spells bad news for the demand for the MX-5. But time will tell, in the end.

haji
05-06-2007, 11:03 PM
withMallett Pitbull body kit <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://images5a.worldcarfans.com/tuners/7070503.002/7070503.002.mini1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/tuners.cfm/country/acf/tunerID/7070503.002/pontiac/pontiac-solstice-with-mallett-pitbull-body-kit" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/tu...y-kit</A>

mzoltarp
05-07-2007, 04:42 AM
Someone needs to put a '63 Corvette Stingray nose on this already.

FRDesign
05-07-2007, 06:54 AM
Well, I did put a GMC Acadia front end onto a BMW M3 yesterday.....<p>Its possible.

Superfresa
05-07-2007, 07:32 AM
Looks like something a 10 year old would draw.

Comrade
05-07-2007, 12:28 PM
What, are they trying to make it look like a Cobra? That's retarded. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

thedesigner
05-07-2007, 01:16 PM
Nose-picking, turd-sniffing third-graders rejoice... your ride has arrived. I'd be embarassed idling next to this car at a traffic light, let alone be seen driving it.

Uberwagon
05-07-2007, 01:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thedesigner</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nose-picking, turd-sniffing third-graders rejoice... your ride has arrived. I'd be embarassed idling next to this car at a traffic light, let alone be seen driving it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, me too! I'm sure it's crazy fast but...A little subtlety please. The 427 Cobra replicar look is a smidge cartoonish.

Roadster44
05-08-2007, 03:33 PM
It reminds me of a fat person with big eyes and ears having their fat falling off of a chair.

haji
12-29-2007, 05:43 AM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/ferrari_solstice.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/solstice-f430-abomination-or-pontiac-perfected/

Andre
12-29-2007, 10:36 AM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/ferrari_solstice.jpg

Chevron's newest collectible car! Thanks for sharing!

(blech!)

IS300M
12-31-2007, 06:19 AM
man that just looks terrible