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CarMattZu777
03-24-2005, 09:13 AM
2006 ISUZU i-280 and i-350 Pickups Premiere at New York International Auto Show<br>Thursday March 24, 10:30 am ET<p><IMG SRC="http://www.isuzunewsbureau.com/images/med/i-350_front34.withbackground.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.isuzunewsbureau.com/images/med/i-280_front34.withbackground.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG SRC="http://www.isuzunewsbureau.com/images/med/i-350_dash.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.isuzunewsbureau.com/images/med/i-350_Profile.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.isuzunewsbureau.com/images/med/i-280_Profile.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>CERRITOS, Calif., March 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Isuzu Motors America, Inc., today pulled the wraps off its new-for-2006 i-280 and i-350 pickups. The two models will join the Ascender 5-Passenger and 7-Passenger SUVs to double Isuzu's U.S. lineup of rugged, versatile vehicles. Production is scheduled to begin in Shreveport, Louisiana, in June 2005.<p>In announcing the new trucks, J. Terry Maloney, president of Isuzu Motors America, said, "The introduction of these midsize pickups will double our line-up and will strengthen both our dealers and our position in the market."<p>Development of the i-280 and i-350 Pickups<p>The i-280 and i-350 pickups represent a return to its roots for Isuzu in the United States-and a continuation of its partnership with General Motors.<p>The first vehicle built by Isuzu and sold in the U.S. after the company's historic agreement with General Motors was the Chevrolet Light Utility Vehicle -- the Chevy LUV truck -- in March 1972. Seven years later, the Chevy LUV 4x4 was named "Truck of the Year" by Motor Trend magazine. It continued as part of the Chevrolet lineup until 1982.<p>By that time, Isuzu had established its own dealer network in the United States and was selling its own version of the truck as the Isuzu P'Up.<p>Production of the Isuzu Hombre began in 1995. While the LUV had been built by Isuzu for GM, the Hombre was based on the then-current Chevy S-10 pickup, and was built at the GM factory in Shreveport, Louisiana.<p>In 1997, after 25 years of sharing one another's compact pickups, Isuzu Motors Limited and GM began to develop a new world-class midsize truck -- together.<p>Each company had its own area of responsibility. Isuzu -- as the lead engineer in the partnership -- had primary responsibility for packaging, interior design, powertrain strategy, establishing quality and cost targets, technical specifications, structure, and layout of the new truck.<p>And Isuzu shared responsibility with GM for styling, common component design, prototype production, and productivity studies.<p>Isuzu would build the truck for Thailand, and GM would build a version for North America here in the U.S.<p>Because of the vastly different requirements of these markets, in 2001 the two companies began pursuing separate final development of their own trucks. Powertrains for the Asia/export pickup were engineered by Isuzu, and for the North American version by GM.<p>In May 2002, the Isuzu D-Max was introduced in Thailand -- and immediately became a national sensation there. Production was doubled from the original plan within two months of introduction. In fact, the D-Max sold over 100,000 units in Thailand alone during its first year on the market -- good for a commanding 40 percent share of the Thai pickup truck market.<p>In August 2003, General Motors introduced two North American versions of this truck -- the Chevy Colorado and the GMC Canyon -- both produced at GM's factory in Shreveport.<p>The i-280 and i-350 Pickups are Isuzu variants of the North American version of the jointly developed truck, and will be produced in Shreveport. But as Maloney pointed out, "Make no mistake: this truck has Isuzu in its soul."<p>2006 Isuzu i-280 Extended Cab 4x2<p>The i-280 is the workhorse of the i pickup family. It will be available as an Extended Cab 4x2 with either a five-speed manual or a four-speed Hydra-Matic automatic transmission.<p>The i-280 will be powered by a 2.8-liter inline four-cylinder engine that develops 175 horsepower and 185 foot-pounds of torque -- the highest horsepower and torque in its class. Properly equipped, the i-280 can tow up to 3,200 pounds and carry a payload of over 1,500 pounds.<p>The engine develops so much power and punch for its size because of state-of-the-art features like:<p> * Electronic throttle control<br> * Electronically-controlled variable exhaust valve timing<br> * A strong, lightweight aluminum cylinder block with nodular iron<br> crankshaft and lightweight pistons<br> * Dual chain-driven balance shafts<p>It's brawny, yes, but it's efficient, too. The i-280 is expected to deliver EPA fuel mileage estimates of 21 mpg in the city and 27 mpg on the highway with the manual transmission.<p> The i-280 will be available in four trim levels:<p> * The entry-level S, designed for true truck duty with such features as:<br> * Heavy-duty suspension<br> * 5,000-pound GVWR<br> * P225/75T15 tires<br> * 15x6.5-inch aluminum wheels<br> * 3.42 rear axle ratio<br> * Power steering<br> * Four-wheel anti-lock braking system<br> * Stainless-steel exhaust<br> * Automatic on-off headlamps<br> * Daytime running lights<br> * Lamp group, including door-operated dome lamp, front-door courtesy<br> lamps and cargo bed lamp<br> * Electronically-tuned AM/FM stereo radio with clock, seek and scan,<br> and four speakers<br> * Air conditioning<br> * Vinyl floor covering<br> * 60/40 split front bench seat with easy-clean vinyl seat covering<p> * The S Plus Preferred Equipment Package, which adds:<br> * Carpeting<br> * Fabric seats<br> * Rear jump seats<br> * Storage compartment under rear seats<br> * AM/FM stereo with CD/MP3 player<br> * Deep tinted windows<br> * Manual day/night rearview mirror with dual reading lamps<p> * The LS Package, which adds:<br> * Power windows<br> * Power door locks<br> * Power outside mirrors<br> * Remote keyless entry<br> * Tilt steering column<br> * Cruise control<br> * Six speakers<br> * Body side molding<br> * Front bucket seats with center console<br> * Deluxe seat fabric<p> * The top-of-the-line Luxury Package, which offers:<br> * Six-disc in-dash CD changer<br> * Electronic traction control with automatic locking rear<br> differential<br> * Auto-dimming rearview mirror with dual map lamps, compass and<br> outside temperature indicator<br> * Sliding rear window<br> * Fog lamps<br> * Leather-wrapped steering wheel<br> * Side curtain, side-impact airbags<p> 2006 Isuzu i-350 Crew Cab 4x4<p>If the i-280 is the workhorse truck of the family, the i-350 is the truck for a family of workhorses -- the fun and functional lifestyle leader of Isuzu's new line of pickups.<p>The i-350 will be available as a Crew Cab 4x4, with bigger tires, an off-road suspension and a standard four-speed Hydra-Matic transmission.<p>The standard Insta-Trac four-wheel drive system features a transfer case and shift control system designed and built by Isuzu Motors Limited. It lets drivers shift on the fly from two-wheel drive to four-high and back with just the touch of a button. And because the transfer case can be set in neutral, the i-350 -- like all Ascender four-wheel drive models -- can be dinghy-towed behind another vehicle.<p>Putting the power to all four wheels will be GM's innovative Vortec 3500 in-line five-cylinder engine -- a powerplant that provides the power of a V6 and the efficiency of a four.<p>Like the i-280, the i-350's engine employs an in-line configuration for low noise, vibration and harshness. This design -- mated to electronic throttle control, variable exhaust valve timing, an aluminum cylinder block and dual balance shafts -- results in an engine with the horsepower normally found in a V6 and the fuel efficiency expected of a four-cylinder.<p>This state-of-the-art engine produces 220 horsepower and 225 foot-pounds of torque -- while still expected to deliver EPA fuel economy estimates of 17 mpg city and 22 mpg highway -- while still providing a payload of 1,190 pounds and a towing capacity of 4,000 pounds.<p>Because it's the comfort and convenience leader of the i line, the i-350 will come standard with all of the equipment in both the Preferred Equipment and LS trim packages. As a result, amenities like AM/FM stereo with CD, MP3 and six speakers; full power; tilt; cruise and deluxe seat fabric will be included.<p> Optional on the i-350 will be the Limited Package, which includes:<br> * Six-disc in-dash CD changer<br> * Eight-way power heated driver's seat<br> * Six-way power heated passenger seat<br> * Leather-appointed interior trim<br> * Auto-dimming rearview mirror with dual map lamps, compass and outside<br> temperature indicator<br> * Sliding rear window<br> * Moonroof<p> <p><br><i>Modified by CarMattZu777 at 8:21 AM 3/24/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarMattZu777 at 8:22 AM 3/24/2005</i>

CarMattZu777
03-24-2005, 09:14 AM
<br> Dealer-Installed Accessories<p>Everyone knows how important it is to accessorize. And the i-280 and i-350 won't disappoint. Available dealer-installed accessories will include a hard folding bed cover; cargo bed edge protector; running boards; mudflaps; assist steps; and trailer provisions. More accessories will be announced closer to launch.<p>Production, Protection, Peace of Mind and Pricing<p>Isuzu Motors America expects to sell five to ten thousand i-280s and i-350s in the first year. And no wonder. Like the Ascender 7-Passenger and Ascender 5-Passenger SUVs, the i-280 and i-350 will be backed by Isuzu's 7-year/75,000-mile powertrain limited warranty and 7-year/75,000-mile roadside assistance program -- over twice as long as GM's 3-year/36,000-mile powertrain limited warranty and roadside assistance coverage.<p>These coverages are in addition to Isuzu's three-year/50,000-mile basic and six-year/100,000-mile perforation from corrosion warranties.<p>According to Maloney, "That peace of mind won't come at a hefty price. Although final pricing will not be announced until closer to launch, I can assure you that the i-280 and i-350 will be priced attractively and competitively."<p>"Today," Maloney concluded, "we return to our roots. With the rugged Ascender SUVs -- and now, the versatile i-280 and i-350 pickups, engineered and developed by both Isuzu and GM -- we will offer a full complement of the types of vehicles that made Isuzu famous."<p>Isuzu Motors America, Inc., is the U.S. distributor of Isuzu sport utility vehicles and diesel engines. For more information call (800) 662-2464 or access <A HREF="http://www.IsuzuNewsBureau.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.IsuzuNewsBureau.com</A>.<br>

Charger
03-24-2005, 09:16 AM
that grille is terrible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>They could have at least made the lights a little different from the Canyon. Not impressed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
03-24-2005, 09:35 AM
I don't know much about trucks, but isn't a I4 engine viewed as being too small for a truck? At least for US tastes.

Superfresa
03-24-2005, 09:50 AM
Ouch. Sorry but looks terrible and seems pointless. It's better when Izuzu creates its own cars (I like the Dmax, liked the Trooper, etc).

piokor
03-24-2005, 09:54 AM
Seriously, what's the point of keeping Isuzu alive if they are just going to be taking sales away from Chevys/GMCs?

AM2
03-24-2005, 09:57 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.isuzunewsbureau.com/images/med/i-350_front34.withbackground.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Looks too much like a Chevy/GMC.<p>CarMattZu777, i'm glad that in asia, we get the real Isuzu front end...<br>we also get a floor mounted shifter.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/3349/3321/norm_15_D-Max_Crew_Cab_2003_Eu.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

Naga Royal Guard
03-24-2005, 10:00 AM
gross, the asian one looks much better

CarMattZu777
03-24-2005, 10:06 AM
The Thai version is the best:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.isuzu-tis.com/images/design/006.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>A bit dissapointed, but there is at least hope for Isuzu in the US now, just a bit angry that a copy of a copy from the original owner came out so, ehhh, different.<br>But it will probably grow on me and I'll start to like it later on.

Charger
03-24-2005, 10:08 AM
I honestly think this wont help out isuzu. I have never seen an ascender on the road and probably will never see this.

Naga Royal Guard
03-24-2005, 10:12 AM
its better than the Ford Ranger, thats for sure; probably cheaper too

Charger
03-24-2005, 10:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its better than the Ford Ranger, thats for sure; probably cheaper too</TD></TR></TABLE><br>very true, anything is better than a ranger

CarMattZu777
03-24-2005, 10:14 AM
Its going to have a good amount of equipment, long warranty, and priced right. Some may actually like its bold styling, but there is also a loyal fanbase of Isuzu pickup owners who have been waiting along time for this. <p>The i-350 LS premium comes with everything you would need.<br>The i-350 has standard automatic and standard 4X4. And a price lower than the competing GM copies? I think thats a pretty good start. And production doesnt start till June, doesnt that leave time to make minor exterior changes? Like the grille?

Player4
03-24-2005, 01:32 PM
Is Isuzu part of GM? If so why does GM think that they can get away with just rebadging their cars and making little or no changes at all? I mean this is just a Colorado-Canyon with a new grill. They didnt even change the wheels or atleast the tail lamps!! NOTHING IS CHANGED!!!! That really pisses me off!! <p>Isuzu is just gonan go down the drain im sry. This is sad...

Rugbyplaya91
03-24-2005, 02:21 PM
i though tit was the canyon at first

Santeno
03-24-2005, 02:30 PM
Yet another GM grill swap special. You would think that all the hits this site gets from GM, on a daily basis, would somehow clue the bozos that do this as to what consumers want. Hey Lutz you want to know why your company is having trouble moving the metal? This is reason number 1.

Krypton
03-24-2005, 04:09 PM
I don't understand GM at all, why would you change a grill on a truck to make it compete with 2 existing,similar,trucks that are your own. You don't see Toyota putting a scion badge on a corolla and than selling both of them. It is stupid to compete within your own company.

CalinG7
03-24-2005, 04:18 PM
Like an alchoholic who keeps saying "I'll change, I'll change, I promise", only to find him in the gutter yet again with a bottle of Appalachian moonshine. Every time one GM executive says "We've learned, we're determined to change, this time we mean it", another exec introduces the latest grill-swap special at a press conference next door.

anonms
03-24-2005, 04:35 PM
Damn it.<p>Unfortunately, Americans are probably going to see this as a Canyon/Colorado clone.<p>The Thai version looks so much better than all the rest.

mrayemore
03-24-2005, 10:19 PM
thank you.. i couldnt agree more

CarMattZu777
03-25-2005, 12:22 AM
I think that if they made the part around the bars the same color as the body, it would look good. Thats how it is on the colorado.

Santeno
03-25-2005, 08:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only to find him in the gutter yet again with a bottle of Appalachian moonshine. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>As a Virginian and a one time resident of it's beautiful section of the appalchian mountains, I am inclined to take offence with that statement... There aren't very many gutters in the appalachians, we have lot's of ditches instead. Plus, everyone knows that when you get drunk on moonshine you are likely to be found a couple of days later sleeping it off in one of your neighbor's old couches, now proudly sitting on their front porch. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

ToronadoGT
03-25-2005, 02:41 PM
I expected more. But, then again, this will steal sales from the Colorado and Canyon because its well-equipped from the start and has a way lower price than the other two trucks. If I'm going to buy one of GM's mid-size truck clones, I'd aim for the Isuzu because of the price. And, if you dread the grille, just swap it out for one on a Canyon and slap the old Isuzu namplate on where the GMC one went.

Pavilion
03-25-2005, 03:57 PM
I was hoping that this truck would at least be a little different than the colorado/caynon. Sad to say that my <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> Isuzu Rodeo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> wont be replaced by this. My hope is that it at least can bring in some people till Isuzu can get more products that are worthwhile.

LoneWolf
03-25-2005, 07:14 PM
I don't even know how to respond to this monstrocity. I used to love Isuzu products. Please, GM, release Isuzu so they don't go down the toilet with you.

turbonium959
03-26-2005, 01:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LoneWolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't even know how to respond to this monstrocity. I used to love Isuzu products. Please, GM, release Isuzu so they don't go down the toilet with you.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Total agreement. Let Isuzu go, and have Isuzu make commercial vehicles only. Isuzu currently stands no chance, and rebaged GM trucks, are not helping. Isuzu would need something revolutionary to survive on the current market, and Isuzu need new, not rebaged SUVs, not trucks! GM is digging its hole, and it has to stop.

Lakeshow23
03-26-2005, 10:49 AM
Of course GM is going to sell rebadged Colorado/Canyons as Isuzus. It's called "giving back." Obviously Isuzu did all the work in the design of that truck, so Isuzu gets a few scraps from the table as a reward. The lapdogs at Isuzu don't have enough money right now, or a high enough reputation in the U.S. right now, to spring for all the import costs it would take to import the REAL Isuzu truck. So Isuzu gets a watered down GM version of an Isuzu designed truck. In other words, Isuzu makes a REALLY good truck (based on global reviews) overseas... GM's version of that Isuzu truck isn't nearly as good because they wanted to make sure it was as easy as possible to mass produce (which probably includes the cheapening of parts, using cheaper metals in some areas, making changes to parts to increase smoothness that sacrifices durability, using more plastics, doing anything and everything they can to lessen production costs), and then Isuzu can't afford to import their own better version so they rebadged a cheapened Isuzu truck. LOL! It sucks, but Isuzu has to get their U.S. scraps, the lapdogs they are. Hopefully, it ends up biting GM in the ass as GM faithful guys purchase REAL Isuzu trucks if Isuzu ever imports any in the next few years... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
03-26-2005, 07:57 PM
a rebadged rebadge... only gm could actually do this

hokman
03-27-2005, 12:46 AM
I want to know if Isuzu is dead or not? I missed the gemini and piazza.

boston
03-27-2005, 03:39 AM
Badge Engineering at its finest<br>This must be Bob Lutz's proudest moment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
03-27-2005, 05:21 AM
Hey guys, any truth to the rumor that GM will create a Saab pickup? (intense sarcasm) This rebadging thing is cool.

stewacide
03-27-2005, 05:40 AM
This is really unfortunate. I was under the impression we were going to get the real D-MAX with the diesel and everything. :(<p>Also how does this reflect on Isuzu's rumoured plan to import D-MAX based SUVs? Seems less likely now...

ricerammer
03-27-2005, 07:05 PM
word.

Toxic
03-28-2005, 09:04 AM
Is it just me or doe this screems chevy to you

Charger
03-28-2005, 09:09 AM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Twisted</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it just me or doe this screems chevy to you</TD></TR></TABLE><p>GMC to be exact

AXIS
03-28-2005, 09:52 AM
Honestly would it have killed them to bring over the D-max<br>Isuzu is good as dead

bolita
03-28-2005, 10:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>azumi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly would it have killed them to bring over the D-max<br>Isuzu is good as dead</TD></TR></TABLE><p>has been for a while or not? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
03-28-2005, 06:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>azumi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly would it have killed them to bring over the D-max<br>Isuzu is good as dead</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As much as I would have loved for them to bring the D-MAX here, it would lose money. With the 25% import tax for pickups (which is possibly going to be eliminated later this year) would eliminate profit and then some. Plus advertising, shipping, rebates, it would lose alot of money. Retooling the GM factories to build the slightly different D-MAX would cost alot as well and possibly require a seperate assembly line. Unless the voulme can be met, the i-Series will be sold as it is now. I'm not all for this pickup, I find it mediocre, but it will undoubtedly improve Isuzu condition and keep dealers online until the new products from Isuzu mid-term business plan arrive, which should take 2-4 years. It seems like a long time, but is actually not that far off if you think about it. Thats probably when we will see replacements for cars like GM full size SUVs and Ford SUVs, so it makes sense actually.

Lakeshow23
03-30-2005, 07:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As much as I would have loved for them to bring the D-MAX here, it would lose money. With the 25% import tax for pickups (which is possibly going to be eliminated later this year) would eliminate profit and then some. Plus advertising, shipping, rebates, it would lose alot of money. Retooling the GM factories to build the slightly different D-MAX would cost alot as well and possibly require a seperate assembly line. Unless the voulme can be met, the i-Series will be sold as it is now. I'm not all for this pickup, I find it mediocre, but it will undoubtedly improve Isuzu condition and keep dealers online until the new products from Isuzu mid-term business plan arrive, which should take 2-4 years. It seems like a long time, but is actually not that far off if you think about it. Thats probably when we will see replacements for cars like GM full size SUVs and Ford SUVs, so it makes sense actually.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If Isuzu has a pickup truck, GM clone or not, it will GREATLY improve the stature of Isuzu in America. They need something. And GM owners who spend $40+ grand on GM Duramax trucks know that those engines were built by Isuzu. GM is going to lose some sales to Isuzu when the Isuzu pickups with Duramax engines come out. You'll see. Only a few years before Isuzu pickups will be pretty common... and then we'll see the return of Isuzu begin. 2010 and beyond, Isuzu will blow up in America. Blow up=grow. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

toontoy
03-30-2005, 08:22 PM
What a pointless truck, this is getting ridiculous with the platform sharing. I hate it...bye bye Isuzu.

Gian86
03-31-2005, 01:00 AM
This ute looks nice, maybe holden would pick this one to australia but it looks alot like current rodeo.

Lakeshow23
03-31-2005, 07:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toontoy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What a pointless truck, this is getting ridiculous with the platform sharing. I hate it...bye bye Isuzu.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What a pointless point to make. Is it any different than the platform sharing that goes on between virtually ALL car companies you see? GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi... they all do it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here...

Soul Man
03-31-2005, 07:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lakeshow23</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What a pointless point to make. Is it any different than the platform sharing that goes on between virtually ALL car companies you see? GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi... they all do it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>well this is a gm platform sharing example. and i sort of agree. i dont find it pointless, because isuzu needs all it can get, but this truck is pretty pitiful, typical gm badge engineering, you cant even call this platform sharing, since its just switching a badge. This really dissapoints me, i expected something somewhat unique about this, from a distance this thing will look exactly like a colorado, i mena if your going to just change the grille give it soemthing to stand ouit a bit by, i wish the best ot isuzu, and personally if i were looking at the colorado or trailblazer i would personally go to the isuzu models for the better warranty, but many are unaware of this warranty, and without any distinctive models i cant see this thing selling unless Gm actually puts some money into isuzu and helps them "go farther"<p>also i must add the person in charge of the trim levels on this was really not thinking in my opinion. having the four door one only be top trimmed out with 4wd and i5 only i guess in soem weird way can work, but by not offering the i5 or 4wd on the double cab model seems quite stupid

toontoy
03-31-2005, 08:35 PM
Platform shring with other comapnies is done well especially IMO with Hyundai, but my point is that GM doesn't know how to do it! I just didn't feel like elaborating. And i never said no one else does it did I? Again, pointless truck.<br>

CarMattZu777
04-01-2005, 10:18 AM
Actually, this isnt really platform sharing, more like platform stealing or borrowing. Isuzu developed this truck almsot completely, GM did not have any part in the actual engineering, just in styling and productivity studies. This truck was developed in Thailand and was introuduced at the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show. Do not get mad at Isuzu for this truck or call it pitiful, blame GM. This belongs to Isuzu and it deserves respect. BTW, it outsells Toyota Hilux in South Asia. America and South Asia are the biggest markets for pickups, and for almsot 50 years Toyota has not been able to topple Isuzu. <p>Nonetheless, the D-MAX platform that this pickup is based on is very good, and in Asia there are several more options available including a revoltionary flexable suspension that almost eliminates bumps called "Flex-Plus" and of course famous Isuzu turbodiesels. According to Isuzu's announcement at NADA convention, diesel V6s are currently being developed for the US market, what is unknown is where these engines will debut, in the i-Series or in future Isuzu products.

AM2
04-01-2005, 11:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW, it outsells Toyota Hilux in South Asia. America and South Asia are the biggest markets for pickups, and for almsot 50 years Toyota has not been able to topple Isuzu. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Hilux pickup and Innova MPV(AUV) are eating up the D-max and Crosswind sales in the Philippines...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, this isnt really platform sharing, more like platform stealing or borrowing. Isuzu developed this truck almsot completely, GM did not have any part in the actual engineering</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well the Colorado/Canyon/i-series have a longer wheelbase than the D-max... around 5 inches longer because North Americans want more space(cargo space). <br>Other than being extended, GM at least redesigned the exterior of the USDM pickups.<br>Would you say Holden stole the D-max, because the Rodeo pickup they sell is a D-max?<br>I know you are bitter about the GM-Isuzu thing, but this is not stealing, its sharing. <p><br>By the way, in Thailand, they also manufacture the Chevrolet Colorado with an Isuzu diesel in it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The red one is a USDM Colorado, The one below it is the thai Colorado that has the shorter D-max wheelbase.<br><IMG SRC="http://img134.exs.cx/img134/6472/colorado0if.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>D-max<br><IMG SRC="http://irishcar.com/ICOimages/isuzdmax-1.jpg" BORDER="0">

Santeno
04-01-2005, 11:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, this isnt really platform sharing, more like platform stealing... ...Do not get mad at Isuzu for this truck or call it pitiful, blame GM. This belongs to Isuzu and it deserves respect... ...Toyota has not been able to topple Isuzu...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Alright Matt, Enough is ENOUGH!!!!!<br>If you feel the need to post bashing garbage like this, please go back to TCC. Stealing is the illegal taking of someone else's property. That is absolutely not the case here. Who cares if mother teresa designed the truck. The fact is that GM and Isuzu had a very deep corporate association, and continue to have a fairly involved one. GM isn't doing anything that your precious Isuzu didn't allow it to do. Besides, GM pays Isuzu for the technology transfer so why the need to bash GM every chance someone points out the obvious (That some of isuzu's products have been or are replicated by GM - regardless of who designed them). Enough of this BS! Bashing is not tolerated on this forum. You've been warned before and honestly we are getting tired of doing it. Drop it!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 6:19 PM 4/1/2005</i>

hokman
04-01-2005, 11:15 PM
I think isuzu deserves selling this colarado lookalike. Because I've seen generations of isuzu lorries badged as GMC here in canada.

kevinman4404
04-03-2005, 10:51 AM
General Motors seriously has the WORST design in the world. I hat their platform copies, with up to 4 of the same vehicle, and their cheap, uneducated design. I like the looks of the Thai desing a timy bit more.

Lakeshow23
04-03-2005, 09:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kevinman4404</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">General Motors seriously has the WORST design in the world. I hat their platform copies, with up to 4 of the same vehicle, and their cheap, uneducated design. I like the looks of the Thai desing a timy bit more.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I too like the Asian versions more, but sometimes pictures can be deceiving with vehicles. Any car can look decent in print. It's how it looks when it's right in front of you that tells the real picture. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
04-03-2005, 10:42 PM
I've seen the actual D-max, and it looks as good as the ones in the photos...

Pavilion
04-04-2005, 01:42 AM
I was in Seattle on saturday and i stopped off at the local Isuzu dealership to look at HEAVILY discounted Axioms and the salesman told me, <p>"I could care less if the grill looks funny, I just need something new that will actually sell."<p>I couldnt agree more because the car lot had so much backstock with Axioms and Ascenders that had rebates up to nearly $10,000 and still weren't selling. $10,000!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

Lakeshow23
04-04-2005, 11:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pavilion</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I couldnt agree more because the car lot had so much backstock with Axioms and Ascenders that had rebates up to nearly $10,000 and still weren't selling. $10,000!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Let's imagine for a moment, why don't we. Let's say you wanted a $30,000 SUV. But you couldn't afford one. Now, perhaps the Isuzu Axiom isn't your favorite choice in its class. But in a lower class, all you can afford is something like a Kia Sportage, a Honda CRV, a Toyota RAV 4, or like a Hyundai Tucson. And those will run you like $15000+. Perhaps, just perhaps, you can pick up an Isuzu Axiom for $10k or $15k, and have a better SUV. Or do people here think that a Kia Sportage would be better? Just wondering why some cars just don't get purchased... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
04-04-2005, 11:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lakeshow23</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Perhaps, just perhaps, you can pick up an Isuzu Axiom for $10k or $15k, and have a better SUV. Or do people here think that a Kia Sportage would be better? </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I guess because Kia seems to be doing Ok, they would rather own a brand that might still be here in the years to come.