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RetroJapan
03-23-2005, 10:24 AM
<b>Lexus Unveils Second Ground-Breaking Hybrid Luxury Vehicle at New York International Auto Show</b><p>03/23/2005 New York<p>The world's first gas/electric hybrid-powered luxury SUV, the RX 400h, goes on-sale in less than a month. Today, at a press conference at the New York Auto Show, Lexus unveiled yet another ground-breaking hybrid vehicle. The 2007 Lexus GS 450h is the world's first hybrid luxury sedan and the first full hybrid vehicle with a front engine and rear wheel drive.<p>"Once again, we've applied our formula of no compromise engineering - this time to a luxury sport sedan which proves to us that hybrid power trains can work superbly in virtually any application," said Lexus Vice President of Marketing Mark Templin. "It's very important to continue pursuing substantial reductions in fuel consumption and emissions, while continuing to improve performance and driving pleasure. Our customers wouldnt have it any other way."<p>A completely new Lexus Hybrid powertrain was created to power the new 450h. The system combines a 3.5-liter V6 engine with a high-output, permanent magnet electric motorall driving the rear wheels. Combined power output will be well in excess of 300 horsepower, with zero-to-60 acceleration in less than six seconds.<p>Even more impressive is how quickly and powerfully torque is delivered during mid-range acceleration. The system's massive electric motor is capable of delivering maximum torque, immediately upon demand. This unique power delivery characteristic is most noticeable...and most useful...during 30-to-50 passing and merging maneuvers. It is an experience that must be felt to be fully appreciated. The result is a level of acceleration performance similar to a V-8 engine, with combined fuel economy in the high twenties, a level more typical of a 2.0-liter four-cylinder compact sedan, along with one of the best EPA emissions ratings in the industry.<p>Based closely on the new GS luxury sport sedans, the GS 450h is designed to be the premium model in the GS series, with all of the performance, luxury and safety features befitting a flagship. Many of the optional features from the GS 300 and 430 will be standard on the GS 450h.<p>There are subtle visual differences like special 18-inch light-alloy wheels and a new power meter that replaces the tachometer. But the new GS 450h is designed to operate like any other Lexus vehicle such that the hybrid experience feels completely normal and seamless, all while delivering a surprising new level of performance and efficiency.<p>The Lexus GS 450h is targeted for sale beginning in the spring of 2006.<p><A HREF="http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_photos.html?index=fulltext&kw=07GS450h" TARGET="_blank">http://pressroom.toyota.com/ph...S450h</A><p>Source: Toyota Motor Corp

Charger
03-23-2005, 10:26 AM
<IMG SRC="http://t.wieck.com/PV/2005/03/18/TYT2005031854927_PV.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: lexus

Naga Royal Guard
03-23-2005, 10:44 AM
so its based on the 3.5 L v6, end of mystery<p><br>that damn V6 should have been in the initial lineup

IcedG35
03-23-2005, 11:19 AM
anyone else think this should be closer to 400hp considering the 3.5L V6 in the upcoming IS350 is said to make 300 hp? if this is the top end model, i would love to see some E55 competition.

Bluesman
03-23-2005, 11:36 AM
Fuel economy in the high twenties!?!?! The Avalon w/ 280 hp 3.5 V6 is rated for 31 hwy.... Why would I bother buying a hybrid version of the GS?

Flagship
03-23-2005, 12:31 PM
...You would buy one becaues it has over 300hp and is SULEV(Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle) rated.

Uberwagon
03-23-2005, 02:05 PM
To second Flagship's comment, it sounds like a slightly different animal. The Avalon gets much lower "combined" mileage than 31 and probably (I don't know) puts out much higher emissions. That and Avalons are sold primarily to senior citizens.<p>Hybrids sell best to "blue state" markets who want to make a statement and feel less guilt about using oil. Judging from pre-sales of the RX400h, Lexus seems to be onto something there.

LEXUS FAN!
03-23-2005, 04:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fuel economy in the high twenties!?!?! The Avalon w/ 280 hp 3.5 V6 is rated for 31 hwy.... Why would I bother buying a hybrid version of the GS?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It saves petorleom and it is 1.5 seconds faster than the Avalon. It is also a lot more luxurious.<p>I love this car. I can't wait until it comes out. This will probably have another 10,000 or so preorders.<p>By the way...why is that Lexus always first shows their hybrid cars in weird colors. The RX was first showed with a yellow/gold color and this is a light blue. It is kind of weird. I don't really care, it is just weird that they don't show a conventional color like silver or black or something.<p>here are some great new pictures...<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155350&page=2&pp=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...pp=15</A><p><br>A NEW LEXUS MINI-SITE JUST OPENED UP<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview/index.html</A><p>*LINK FIXED*<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 5:46 PM 3/23/2005</i>

Chickpig
03-23-2005, 10:28 PM
<A HREF="http://gallery.dealerrater.com/gallery/shows.asp?manu=&cat=&thisPage=4&galleryId=17" TARGET="_blank">http://gallery.dealerrater.com...Id=17</A>

Hornbag
03-24-2005, 12:24 AM
Fuel economy in high 20s! LOL, whats the basic GS300 like in fuel ecomony?

KebabGud
03-24-2005, 04:59 PM
i want high res press pics!<br>

anonms
03-24-2005, 05:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fuel economy in high 20s! LOL, whats the basic GS300 like in fuel ecomony?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Probably one or two MPG less.<br>Keep in mind that this would probably be comprable to the GS460 (when it comes out) in terms of performance while having fuel economy that would probably be comprable to (or perhaps better than that of) the GS350's (when it comes out).

Naga Royal Guard
03-24-2005, 05:26 PM
consider the price of a GS 430 and the premium b/w a RX 400h and RX 330, this car could very well push 70k

anonms
03-24-2005, 05:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">consider the price of a GS 430 and the premium b/w a RX 400h and RX 330, this car could very well push 70k</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think so.<p>Remember that this doesn't use the V8, but the V6.<p>My guess is that it'd probably be 53k at most given it's likely attributes.

LEXUS FAN!
03-24-2005, 05:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Probably one or two MPG less.<br>Keep in mind that this would probably be comprable to the GS460 (when it comes out) in terms of performance while having fuel economy that would probably be comprable to (or perhaps better than that of) the GS350's (when it comes out).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The GS300 is 22 and 30, but when they say high twenties that means the average will be in the high twenties, so one of them will be in the thrities at least. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">consider the price of a GS 430 and the premium b/w a RX 400h and RX 330, this car could very well push 70k</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>It will probably be about $65,000, which I think is quite reasonable seeing as that it has a fuel efficiency of a compact car, and power that goes to 60 in 5.5 seconds probably<p>Keep in mind they said the RX would go to 60 in less than 8 seconds, and the official number was 7.3. So the GS could very well be 5.3.<p>HERE'S A GOOD ARTICLE<p><A HREF="http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?referer=&autoshow=New+York&vehicletype=production&autoshowyear=2005&vehicle=production_lexus_gs450h&aff=national" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cars.com/go/feature...ional</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 4:59 PM 3/24/2005</i>

Blackraven
03-25-2005, 12:34 AM
Not bad. Nothing too special at all (except for the wheels which look like 19' inch wheels).<p>The extra motor provides some extra juice to make it in around 5.3 secs (0-60) and reduce emissions even further.<p><br>And perhaps, the extra goodies that weren't available on the 300 and/or 430 will be present in this variant.<p>Other than that, nothing special at all (for me, that is).<p><br>Not fascinated with Hybrids on high-end vehicles.<p><br>I think I'll just wait for the JDM-spec GS 350 coming this August.<br>

scorpio14
03-25-2005, 12:49 AM
Im quite dissappointed wit this car... the engine etc etc is all good BUT styling... i was expecting them to do somethin like what they did to the RX400h to make it look Different to the RX330... <p>If this a high perfomance model i also woulda liked to c a body kit (like they do to the 545i or M5) to make it look different to the other models...<p>O well its all good though, can always getta costume kit out in IF u want to...<p>

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 05:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im quite dissappointed wit this car... the engine etc etc is all good BUT styling... i was expecting them to do somethin like what they did to the RX400h to make it look Different to the RX330... <p>If this a high perfomance model i also woulda liked to c a body kit (like they do to the 545i or M5) to make it look different to the other models...<p>O well its all good though, can always getta costume kit out in IF u want to...<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>it's sporty as it is, but i see what you are saying<p>I don't think that those types of things would look good on a Lexus, and that is not where they want to go with their brand as said by a head executive. They do want to get more performance, but they don't want to go into the M and AMG category...their AMG category is "h" because it is their ultimate car in regards to performance and fuel efficiency.

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 05:20 PM
HERE'S THE FIRST PART<p>03/23/2005 <p>Mark Templin,<br>Lexus Vice President, Marketing<br>March 24, 2005<p>Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today for three very important eventS:<br>· the world premiere of the all-new Lexus IS 350, high-performance sedan<br>· the world debut of the all-new Lexus GS 450h hybrid sports sedan<br>· and, most importantly, the arrival of the all-new, Lexus box-lunch, available at the rear of the theatre as you depart today's press conference.<p>There is good reason for staging the double world premiere of the IS 350 and the GS 450 here in New York. As you will soon hear, each vehicle is a major news story in itself.<p>But by combining the two we are making a statement with compelling evidence of how Lexus intends to grow the boundaries of the brand with a renewed focus on passionate styling and a serious dedication to high performance.<p>It's a focus, born out of a commitment to strengthen our leadership position as the number-one luxury brand in America: A focus that's mindful of the strength of the competition and the needs of our customers.<p>Just last month, the third-generation Lexus GS 300 and GS 430 arrived in dealerships. And their impact is already being felt.<p>The V8-powered GS 430 accelerates from zero-to-60 in less than six seconds. It is the quickest Lexus ever built. It is also the most technically advanced.<p>The GS 430 is the first Lexus sedan to offer an electronic variable-gear-ratio steering system capable of providing true, computer-controlled steering output.<p>It is also the first Lexus to offer Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management, a breakthrough stability-control system designed to anticipate the vehicle's handling limits then make nearly invisible corrections, allowing the car to be driven much closer to its handling limits, without noticeable intervention.<p>Its running mate, the Lexus GS 300, is powered by an all-new 245 horsepower V6 engine and is the first Lexus sedan to offer the all-weather/all-surface traction enhancement of full-time all-wheel drive.<p>In fact, more than 40 percent of all GS 300s we sell will be equipped with full-time all-wheel drive. That's more than 11,000 units or more than one-third of the total GS sales per year.<p>With the all-new GS we will change the perception of what a performance sedan is all about - in how it looks, how it feels and how it works.<p>The change has already begun. During its first month of limited availability GS has already increased its market share from three percent a year ago to eight percent today.<p>Traditionally, Mercedes and BMW have been the class leaders in sales, consistently maintaining an 18-percent-or-better share of market. Our goal, with the GS is to join the leaders near the front of the pack with an annual share-of-segment of more than 14 percent, while achieving an annual sales rate of about 33,000 units.<p>That's a bold statement and a bold move from our 2004 sales rate of 8,200 units and five-percent share of segment. But as consumers are quickly discovering, the GS is quite a package.<p>And if that isn't enough, at about this time next year we plan to make it even harder for our competitors to keep pace.<p>Next spring the GS 450h high-performance hybrid luxury sedan will join the all-new 300 and 430 as the premium model in the GS lineup. Powered by a new and more-advanced V6 hybrid powertrain, the 450h will not only be the first hybrid luxury-sedan on the market, it will be the first rear-drive hybrid ever offered.<p>Quicker than the V8-powered GS 430 and significantly more fuel efficient than the V6-powered GS 300, the 450h combines a level of performance, luxury-refinement and fuel efficiency, never before imagined.<p>Ladies and gentlemen...the 2007 Lexus GS 450h.<p>(REVEAL)<p>The GS 450h will be powered in a BIG way by an all-new 3.5-liter V6 gas-electric hybrid system. This potent new powertrain will generate peak output that will be substantially, substantially higher than the 300 horsepower provided by the V8-powered GS 430, with sufficient thrust to launch from zero-to-sixty in well under six seconds.<p>Even more impressive is how quickly and powerfully torque is delivered during mid-range acceleration. The syst***s massive electric motor is capable of delivering maximum torque, immediately upon demand. This unique power delivery characteristic is most noticeable and most useful during 30-to-50 passing and merging maneuvers. It's an experience that must be felt to be fully appreciated.<p>The 450h will not only carry one of the industry's best emissions rating, it will deliver combined fuel efficiency in the high-twenties.<p>To put all this into perspective, the 3.5-liter V6 gas-electric hybrid system will provide a level of acceleration performance similar to a 4.5-liter V8, with a level of fuel efficiency similar to a two-liter, four-cylinder compact sedan.<p>The GS 450h will immediately establish a new criteria for the capabilities and image of hybrid technology, while redefining what a high-performance luxury sedan is all about.<p>Equally important, the GS hybrid will fully embrace the traditional Lexus values of uncompromising luxury, impeccable refinement, unmatched quality and extraordinary ride comfort.<p>But perhaps most importanT is how the new GS 450h, as a total package, will be a car with no peer.<p>Some might be faster, a few more powerful. None, however will be capable of matching its amazing combination of power, performance and environmental efficiency.<p>It is the dawn of a new era among performance luxury sedans. And the GS 450h will lead the way.<p>Over the last two years, a new styling philosophy - that we call L-Finesse - has taken shape at Lexus Design. What has emerged from this two-year journey is not just a new direction in philosophy, but a new design language, based on dynamism, · elegance and simplicity.<p>Simplicity in form and function. It is styling that is uncluttered and void of extraneous elements,<p>Elegance inside and out. The clear focus is to avoid exaggeration and to prioritize understated luxury.<p>The new GS marked the first practical application of the L-Finesse design language. The all-new Lexus IS performance sedan will be the second.<p>Last year, here at the New York show, we unveiled the third in a series of show cars designed to showcase the L-Finesse philosophy. The LF-C concept was a not-so-subtle hint at the direction we were planning to take with the next-generation Lexus IS.<p>Conceived to strengthen and extend the "aspirational sport" image of the current Lexus IS, the LF-C was designed to appeal to young luxury buyers seeking a sports sedan with both swagger and sophistication and the performance to back it up.<p>True to the concept of the LF-C, the next IS will clearly define an exciting new breed of luxury high-performance sedans from Lexus. IS will be a breed with a pedigree that will be unmistakable with a sophisticated style and high-performance to match.<p>Ladies and Gentlemen, the 2006 Lexus IS 350 performance sedan...<p>(REVEAL)<p>....there's more in the next post<br>

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 05:21 PM
HERE IS THE SECOND PART SINCE NOT ALL OF IT CAN FIT IN ONE POST<p>The all-new Lexus IS is a perfect example of how we plan to grow the Lexus brand over the next few years. That's because the IS 350 sedan we have here today will be one of four different models that will arrive at Lexus dealerships this fall. For the next IS to be a true force in the luxury-performance arena we knew it would need to offer a greater variety of power trains and drive trains significantly more performance and a more compelling style.<p>At the front of the line stands the IS 350. Developing more than 300 horsepower and more than 275 pounds of torque from its all-new 3.5-liter V6 engine, the IS 350 will accelerate from zero to 60 in less than six seconds.<p>Power will be transferred to the rear wheels via an all-new six-speed paddle-shift automatic transmission.<p>The IS 350 will feature a revised,more aggressive version,of the VDIM stability control system found in the new GS. The system is programmed to allow the driver to explore the outer edges of the vehicle's limits of adhesion before it employs nearly invisible corrections via braking, steering and throttle control.<p>Joining the top-line 350 in this three model lineup will be the IS 250 available in both rear-drive and full-time all-wheel drive. The IS 250 will be powered by an all-new 2.5 liter engine which will produce well more than 200 horsepower.<p>The rear-drive 250 will be the core model in the IS lineup, accounting for about 50 percent of sales with the all-wheel drive IS 250 model accounting for about 30 percent of the total mix.<p>Riding on a version of the new GS platform, the IS will be larger in every dimension than the model it replaces. It will share its basic suspension layout and design with the GS, although it will be tuned a bit more aggressively, and it will offer both 17- and 18-inch wheels and tires.<p>One area of the platform that is substantially different than the GS is the underbody. The IS underwent considerable wind tunnel work to clean-up under-body air flow. The frontal area was designed to produce a venturi-effect, directing air to the rear diffuser section.<p>The underbody refinements resulted in a significant effect on aerodynamic lift, achieving a measurable reduction at speeds as low as 35 miles per hour.<p>Standard equipment on the new IS series will be extensive. All models will be equipped with a total of eight airbags, including knee bags for both driver and front passenger and a new twin-chamber front-passenger air bag.<p>Standard features will be extensive,including Smart Access for keyless starting, a 13-speaker sound system with I-POD and MP3 compatibility, tire pressure monitoring, pollen air filtration, and a 13-speaker sound system with MP3 and IPOD compatibility.<p>Which brings us to the matter of pricing. With about seven months before launch, we are not-yet prepared to offer pricing specifics. However, I can tell you that our three model-strategy was designed with a purpose.<p>The IS 350 will be our halo vehicle, establishing performance credentials on a par or better than anything in the class.<p>The 250 will be our core vehicle, delivering surprising performance and extraordinary value. In fact, we anticipate that the MSRP on the new IS 250 will probably come in very close to the current price of the first-generation IS that it replaces.<p>That's value that we think will resonate with young, near-luxury buyers,and it's a big reason why we anticipate to achieve an annual sales target of about more than 45,000 units per year,.a more than a 600-percent increase over our current sales pace.<p>We are extremely pleased to have with us today,the person most responsible for the development of the new Lexus IS series. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Chief Engineer Suguya Fukusato. Mr. Fukusato, thanks for joining us today.<p>Since the first-generation IS 300 debuted in 2000, Lexus has fielded a strong,two-vehicle strategy in the near-luxury segment. The ES 330, our number-one-selling entry-level luxury car, has anchored the "comfort-luxury" end of the spectrum,<br>allowing the IS to run free, in the "performance-luxury" subset.<p>It is a strategy that has given us tremendous leverage and flexibility,at a price point that is at the epicenter of luxury-car sales. And it is a strategy that will remain intact with the launch of the new IS in the fall.<p>(re-reveal both vehicles)<p>However, it should be clear by now, that the new IS performance sedan,has a much closer relationship to the GS,than it does to the ES.<p>Both will carry serious high-performance credentials. Both make a statement, that the Lexus brand is moving quickly in a new and exciting direction, while retaining the core values that have made us the leader in the US luxury market.<p>With the arrival of the all-new GS 300 and 430 in February,the launch of the IS 350 and 250 this fall, and the debut of the GS 450h early next year, Lexus is redefining the balance between luxury and performance.<p>By doing so,we are growing the boundaries of a brand,intent on retaining its leadership position among luxury brands here in America,for many years to come.<p>To that point, it's important to keep in mind that the Lexus brand,which has flourished here in America for the past 15 years, has become a key factor in an expanding global ,corporate strategy.<p>Just this month, we opened for business in three cities in China. In a few months, the Lexus brand launches in the Japan market, with 150 dedicated dealerships nationwide,selling the new IS and GS, as well as the SC luxury coupe.<p>In Europe, the Lexus brand is estimated to grow from about 25,000 units in 2004,to about 65,000 units by 2010.<p>Europe's aggressive sales plan begins this year,with the arrival of RX400h luxury hybrid SUV this spring, and the launch of the first-ever diesel-powered offering from Lexus, the IS 220, which debuted three weeks ago at the Geneva Auto Show,and will arrive at European dealers this fall.<p>Here in North America, we will benefit greatly by the roll-out of the all-new Lexus RX400h,,the GS,,and the IS. With the help of these three key vehicles,we anticipate that annual sales for calendar year 2005,will increase by more than three percent,putting us very close to annual sales of 300,000 units.<p>As you can see, Lexus is changing,and growing,and expanding its global presence.<p>Thanks again for your kind attention this afternoon.<br>

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 05:26 PM
Here's some more news....LEXUS IS CONSIDEING A "GT" LINE-UP DEPENDING ON HOW WELL THE RX AND GS HYBRID DO...which are doing pretty good so far<p>Lexus Sees All-Hybrid Performance Lineup<p><br> <p>Lexus lifted the covers on a pair of new models during its spin in the New York spotlight. Clearly the most significant new entry is the GS450h. The prototype revealed at Jacob Javits Center will be a hybrid-electric version of the all-new sports sedan Lexus launched earlier this year. The 450 starts out with a 3.5-liter V-6, which is mated to a high-output electric motor. Together, they are expected to pump out "over 300 horsepower," according to Lexus marketing manager Mark Templin. That should help the hybrid more than match the performance of the V-8-powered Lexus GS430, launching from 0-60 mph in less than six seconds. Company officials say the most noticeable improvement in performance will be felt at passing speeds, in the 30-50 mph range. The GS450h will be the world's first luxury sedan hybrid, as well as the first rear-drive hybrid when it hits showrooms about a year from now. It will join the RX400h, the first hybrid-electric vehicle in the Lexus lineup. But according to General Manager Denny Clements, the two models may soon have plenty of company. Lexus is giving strong consideration to launching a brand-within-a-brand of high-performance vehicles, akin to Mercedes' AMG line-up. The big difference, Clements told TheCarConnection, is that all the Lexus models would be hybrids. The Toyota division will closely watch the market reaction to the GS450h and RX400h to see if it should proceed with the hybrid performance project. Clements described the performance hybrid strategy as a "shield" against environmental concerns, promoting the idea of getting V-12 power with V-6 mileage.<p>FROM TCC

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 07:25 PM
the debut video is now on lexus.com

spwolf
03-26-2005, 08:12 AM
V6 hybrids will eventually kill V8's... no point in them anymore... Traditional buyers will still care more about V8's because they will be worried about "new" technology...<p>Hybrids make soo much sense in luxury cars, it is not even funny anymore.<p>a. Refinement - V6 Hybrid is near silent in obtrusive noise.<br>b. Speed - Even more torque available at lower rpm than V8, resulting in much better power throughout the rpm range than comparable V8. RX400h has shown to have considerably more power than V8 competitors (that are lighter)<br>c. MPG - hybrids GS450h should get better mpg than much lighter Camry 4cly AT. It should get some 28-29mpg where GS430 gets 17mpg. Amazing.<br>d. Save the world - emissions and pollution at the level of super clean 4cl, or less.<br>e. Price - comparable or less than V8 competitors.<p><br>What exactly is there not to like? If anything, GS450h might be too fast for some people :-).<p>I wonder if people will then complain: "oh, it is too fast for me... I will get M45 then" :-)

KebabGud
03-26-2005, 08:57 AM
i cant wait to see the Top gear test :P<br>

LEXUS FAN!
03-26-2005, 11:37 AM
what's funny is that some will complain about the price, but the price will be the same price as the german V8 competitors, and the GS gets better performance and fuel efficiency than them.<p>By the way...good job spwolf

krampits
03-26-2005, 11:47 AM
For the Europeans, the best part in my opinion is the fuel efficiency, since fuels are so much more expensive than in the US. Besides, it is a step forward, (small one but definitely a step), to a less polluted world. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-26-2005, 11:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i cant wait to see the Top gear test :P</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats going to be a massacre <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

krampits
03-26-2005, 12:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thats going to be a massacre <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That was a good one... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
03-26-2005, 12:16 PM
i dont think it going to be a massacre..<br>but JC is going to whine about it beeing to quiet ..<br>remember the prius test..<br>i liked that it was quiet .. but he also hated it :P

LEXUS FAN!
03-26-2005, 12:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont think it going to be a massacre..<br>but JC is going to whine about it beeing to quiet ..<br>remember the prius test..<br>i liked that it was quiet .. but he also hated it :P</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what's JC?

KebabGud
03-26-2005, 01:11 PM
JC = Jeremy Clarkson ..

Flagship
03-26-2005, 02:50 PM
It will be a massacre you can count on it.<p>Its sad when Car and Driver puts this car at the bottom of the list Just as they had done with the regular GS(It makes you think *cough* pay off *cough*)<p><br>

Naga Royal Guard
03-26-2005, 02:55 PM
as much as i like honda, i think car and driver's patronizing of them is ridiculus - for that C&D is full of sh**<p>they would tell you the high-strung V6 RL can compete w/ V8 powertrains, which is simply bologna

LEXUS FAN!
03-26-2005, 04:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It will be a massacre you can count on it.<p>Its sad when Car and Driver puts this car at the bottom of the list Just as they had done with the regular GS(It makes you think *cough* pay off *cough*)<p><br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>what list is this exactly?<p>Here is what C&D said<p>Lexus GS450h <br>Lexus is hot on hybrids, evidenced by the GS450h sport sedan it unveiled in New York. The GS450h is the second hybrid to join the Lexus lineup, following the RX400h sport-utility vehicle that goes on sale this year. The 2007 GS450h, which will hit showrooms in spring 2006, is not only the world's first hybrid luxury sedan but also the first full hybrid vehicle with a front engine and rear-wheel drive. The GS450hs new hybrid system combines a 3.5-liter V-6 engine with a high-output, permanent magnet electric motorall driving the rear wheels. Combined power output will be well in excess of 300 horsepowerwe expect somewhere around 350with 0-to-60-mph acceleration in less than six seconds. Lexus claims the GS450h will deliver acceleration performance similar to a V-8-powered sport sedan, yet with the combined fuel economy in the high 20s, a level more typical of a compact sedan with a 2.0-liter four-cylinder. Moreover, the 450h will achieve one of the best EPA emissions ratings in the industry. Lexus will position the 450h at the top of the GS lineup; thus, itll come standard with many features that are optional on the GS300 and GS430. To differentiate the 450h from lesser GSs, Lexus has fitted the hybrid with special 18-inch light-alloy wheels and a new power meter that replaces the tachometer. <B>The price tag? Likely around $60,000</B>. More photos <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 4:08 PM 3/26/2005</i>

KebabGud
06-19-2005, 05:51 PM
it has 360hp or more .. (a minimum of 360hp)<br>an in the other GS thread (the one i cant find now)<br>there was a long discusion on the buttons that was in the first pics but not i the latest..<br> <br>dont worry.. the buttons is hidden under the armrest..<br>you pull the armrest back and there they are ..<br>(Suspension setting is there)

IcedG35
06-19-2005, 06:09 PM
doesn't the engine in the RX400h but out less hp than the RX300....in this case, we hsouldn't assume that the 3.5L V6 in the 450h will put out as much hp as the regular 3.5L and so hp assumptions of 360 may not be accurate, although that would be awesome. i wish i could change my screenname on this site because lexus is definitely growing on me as i start to like mercedes less and less<p>edit...i just realized i can change my username so sorry and i'm guna (good to know)

ndjan
06-19-2005, 07:38 PM
So it's slightly more powerful than the V8, and slightly more fuel-efficient than the V6.<br>It seems to make the 430 redundant. It also makes me wonder why the Lexus even offers the GS300. I don't think any other car in it's lineup offers the engine. It would make more sense if it and the ES used the new IS engine.<br>As far as price, I also agree a fully loaded one will probably top out at 65k, which is a relative bargain.<p>What would be badass would be the hybrid V8 like the one in the upcoming LS.<p>It looks like hybrids are going to replace traditional engines. I wouldn't be surprised if the base engine in this class will be a hybrid-4, the higher up being a hybrid-6, and the performance model being a hybrid 8.

KebabGud
06-20-2005, 06:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IcedG35</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">doesn't the engine in the RX400h but out less hp than the RX300....in this case, we hsouldn't assume that the 3.5L V6 in the 450h will put out as much hp as the regular 3.5L and so hp assumptions of 360 may not be accurate, although that would be awesome. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Lexus has not given any number yet.. But ! in the PR shots of the GS450h there is one thing thet give a HUGE hint to the power..<p>in the 450H there is no RPM gauge but it has this...<p><A HREF="http://www.autogodine.hr/media/stories/lexus-GS450h-2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogodine.hr/media...2.jpg</A><p>it goes to 275Kw , and 275Kw = 370Hp (give or take 3hp)<p>the thing that buggs me is the "negativ" lines on that gauge :P the one on the negative side of 0 <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:50 AM 6/20/2005</i>

anonms
06-20-2005, 08:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>the thing that buggs me is the "negativ" lines on that gauge :P the one on the negative side of 0 </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why? Then negative ones are probably to indicate how much energy is being regened.

KebabGud
06-20-2005, 11:55 AM
ehh no .. that thing there is not to show what the Electrical part uses.. but what the car in total uses.. <br>(like the one in the Roller.. that shows how many % you have in reserv... si that is always on the plus side when the car is in motion.. it can only go to 0 ehen is still og off.. )

IcedG35
06-20-2005, 03:21 PM
is that guage measuring how much total power the car is producing or just how much power the motor is making? it'd be cool if the guage was actually in horsepower

KebabGud
06-20-2005, 11:07 PM
from what i heard it the total power the car is producing.. <p>

bakerlaw67
09-28-2005, 03:06 PM
Starting at noon EDT on October 19, 2005, Nieman-Marcus is going to start selling a special edition of the GS450h for a mere $65,000!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NM Limited-Edition 2007 Lexus GS 450h <br> <br> <br>Groundbreaking and simply amazing, the Lexus GS 450h is the world's first luxury hybrid performance sedan. <p> Designed with a new hybrid powertrain that merges a 3.5-liter direct-injection V6 engine with high-output electric motor rear-wheel drive, the combined power is expected to be in excess of 300HPand will deliver superior fuel economy and an EPA emissions certification that is expected to meet Super Ultra Low-Emission standards. <br> Paired with these environmentally friendly accolades is the unsurpassed luxury Lexus is known for. The amenities, the exquisite craftsmanship, the attention to detailit's all here. <br> Neiman Marcus is pleased to offer this revolutionary car. Only 75 Neiman Marcus Editions will be made. Each will feature the NM exclusive exterior color, Crystalline Ice, a sophisticated four-coat color with a lustrous clear coat highlighting its prismatic richness and highlighting the fluid, sculpted lines of the GS. The five-spoke, triple-channel wheels are the finishing exterior touch. <br> Inside, you will find supple leather and rich wood appointments, including a wood and leather-trim three-spoke steering wheel and shift knob; sequential lighting system, illuminating in sync with the driver's entry process; Mark Levinson Surround Sound, designed by the premier designer of high-end audio components to specifically match the GS interior's acoustics; voice-activated DVD Navigation System with Bluetooth technology; back-up camera with wide-angle color image display; and the all-new power meter, replacing the tachometer. <br> Your package also includes a coordinating car cover and two sets of floor mats with the Neiman Marcus logo. Delivery is scheduled for Spring 2006. <br> To place your order, please call 1.888.747.4504 beginning promptly at noon EDT on October 19, 2005. Each vehicle will be sequentially numbered. Vehicle 01 will be donated for a charity opportunity drawing at the "Driven to Find a Cure" gala event benefiting cancer research at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center's Samuel Oschin Comprehensive Cancer Institute. <p>The drawing will occur in California on Wednesday, November 16, 2005, at the Peterson Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. Only California residents are eligible to participate. For charity opportunity drawing details, please contact Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Board of Governors Center for Cancer Research at the Samuel Oschin Comprehensive Cancer Institute at 1.310.423.7471. <p>To learn more about the performance, technology and history of the Lexus GS 450h, please visit <A HREF="http://www.lexus.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com</A>. <p>Price excludes taxes, title, license, and registration fees. Neiman Marcus is acting as the advertiser for this product. Lexus policy dictates the following: All sales will be conducted solely by participating authorized Lexus dealers located in the USA. Limit of one vehicle per household. No dealer purchases permitted. Employees of a new or used automotive dealership are not eligible to purchase. Lexus purchase certificate must be made out to an individual, not a company or a corporation, and vehicle must be titled in the name of the person on the Lexus purchase certificate. Purchase certificate is non-transferable. Delivery date subject to change. <br>Item <br>NM Limited-Edition 2007 Lexus GS 450h <br>Price $65,000.00 <br> <br></TD></TR></TABLE>

LEXUS FAN!
09-28-2005, 03:38 PM
wow...that's not bad at all for a special edition<p>i thought that was going to be the price of the normal version<br>the SC430 special edition was $70,000 when it came out from Neiman Marcus 4 years ago, so the normal price should be around $58,000 or so.<p>sweet<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 8:23 PM 9/28/2005</i>

spwolf
09-29-2005, 07:43 AM
consider that 430 will be replaced by 460, which will be more expensive than 450h... and it cant be much more expensive from 430, so 450h will definetly be less than 58-60k...

RetroJapan
01-18-2006, 04:50 PM
A few new pics from Lexus.com:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview2/assets/gshPreview_img_photo.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview2/assets/gshPreview_img_photo_3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview2/assets/gshPreview_img_photo_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview2/assets/gshPreview_img_photo_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.lexus.com/2007gsh_preview2/assets/gshPreview_img_photo_4.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source:http://www.lexus.com/models/hybrid/index.html

LEXUS FAN!
02-12-2006, 10:53 PM
It has 339hp...someone from CL got the new Lexus Magazine, and that is what it says<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BrickHead</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Got the Lexus Magazine yesterday. It states that the GS450h has 339hp.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181088&page=6&pp=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...pp=15</A>

Hornbag
02-13-2006, 04:09 AM
I must have one of these babies! God, the GS is so damn good looking. These pictures have just rekindled my love for this car! Truly a elegant and classic design....Beautiful

scorpio14
02-13-2006, 04:18 PM
Thats only a 20kW increase over standard IS350.... not much... but i guess Torque would be where the difference is big.

LEXUS FAN!
02-14-2006, 06:00 PM
hp isn't the only thing over the IS<p>the luxury aspect, rear leg room, trunk...dimentions

scorpio14
02-14-2006, 10:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hp isn't the only thing over the IS<p>the luxury aspect, rear leg room, trunk...dimentions</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorri, I want talkin about the cars... I meant the engines... this hybrid mated 3.5L is only 20kWs more then the normal 3.5L thats found in the IS350 and will probs soon find its way into the GS (as in Japan theyve already got the GS350).

KebabGud
02-14-2006, 10:31 PM
dont forget that this ... is a hybrid .. <br>its more then just power .. its got way better fuleeconomy.. <br>(oh and 20Kw is still alot for an electric engine..)

scorpio14
02-14-2006, 10:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont forget that this ... is a hybrid .. <br>its more then just power .. its got way better fuleeconomy.. <br>(oh and 20Kw is still alot for an electric engine..)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe i just expect too much outa Hybrids... when it comes to performance and power... and yeah u are most likely right about 20kWs to be alot from a electric engine... i didnt know that... not really my area...

LEXUS FAN!
02-21-2006, 05:46 PM
someone just got the brochure from CL<br>he said<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just got the brochure, it doesn't have any special pics, but some of the wording has changed from previous releases.<p>Was: 0-60 in less than 6 seconds............Now: 0-60 in just over 5 seconds. <p>Was: 18 inch wheels....................................Now: 18 inch LIGHT ALLOY wheels. <p>Understatement of the year.........................I can't wait. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>and this is from WCF<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/jcf/newsID/2060221.002/lexus/hybrid-lexus-gs450h-offers-ministers-clean-and-fast-luxury" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/ne...uxury</A><p>

Cozz
02-21-2006, 07:05 PM
great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2006, 09:14 PM
It's pretty much official as reviews start to flow in<p>0-60= 5.2 sec<p>EPA<br>City 28<br>Highway 27<p>Edmunds<br><A HREF="http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8f874" TARGET="_blank">http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8f874</A><p>TCC<br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle_Reviews/Hybrids_Electrics/2007_Lexus_GS450h.S274.A10059.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A>

knicks125
02-28-2006, 05:21 PM
US base price starting just under $55,000, available early May:<p><A HREF="http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2006022863558" TARGET="_blank">http://pressroom.toyota.com/Re...63558</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lexus Announces Pricing on GS 450h Luxury Gas/Electric Hybrid Sport Sedan <br>02/28/2006 Torrance, CA <br>February 28, 2006 - Torrance, CA - The 2007 Lexus GS 450h, the world's first luxury performance hybrid sedan, goes on sale in early May with a base Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $54,900. Beyond its advanced gas/electric hybrid powertrain and Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability control system, the base price includes a wide array of premium standard features typically offered as popular options on the GS 300 and GS 430.<p>"The GS 450h is a top-flight luxury performance sedan designed to have class-leading acceleration and responsiveness," said Lexus Group Vice President and General Manager Bob Carter. "Like the RX 400h, it is a performance-luxury vehicle without compromise, with fewer emissions and improved fuel economy over competitive V8-powered luxury sedans."<p>A completely new Lexus hybrid powertrain propels the new GS 450h. The system combines a 3.5-liter V6 engine with a new compact, high-output, permanent magnet electric motor that drives the rear wheels. The transmission utilizes an advanced two-stage motor torque multiplication device for the Electronic Continuously Variable Transmission (ECVT) motor, delivering responsive and seamless acceleration with no power loss. <p>With a combined system output of 339 horsepower, the new 3.5-liter V6 hybrid delivers the dynamic performance of a modern 4.5-liter V8 engine and is expected to be as quick or quicker than every V8-powered competitor in its class. The GS 450h accelerates from zero-to-60 miles per hour in approximately 5.2 seconds.<p>With 80 percent fewer smog-forming emissions than the average new car, the GS 450h delivers an estimated 33 percent better fuel efficiency than its V8 competitors with a manufacture-estimated combined fuel rating of 28 miles-per-gallon (MPG). A Super Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV)/Tier 2-BIN 3 emissions rating is expected. <p>Since the GS 450h is driven by its electric motors when starting, traveling slowly and during low-load driving, the Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH) level is about half that of a conventional gasoline-powered engine, providing an extremely quiet ride.<p><br>In addition to the Lexus Hybrid System, the base price includes VDIM, an advanced stability system designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then help to automatically correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver.<p>Other standard features include Electronic Power Steering (EPS) with Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), electrically powered air conditioner, power moonroof and power rear sunshade, heated/ventilated front seats, rear side airbags, rain-sensing wipers, Intuitive Park Assist, rear back-up camera, a Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system, Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS) with headlamp washers, 18-inch alloy wheels, and an eight-year/100,000-mile battery and hybrid system warranty.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2006, 05:23 PM
haha...i just was about to post this 2 sec ago<p>if $54,900 isn't a bargain, i don't know what it is<p>i don't know why people would even buy the GS430...this is faster and more fuel efficient, and only with a 2-3K premium...the speed alone makes up for it<p>isn't this the same 0-60 time as the Audi A8 W-12 Engine?

sashok
02-28-2006, 05:30 PM
But let's hope the 430 transitions to the 460 when the LS arrives... or whenever it said on that Lexus road map a while back (I think in the ES thread???); so after the 430 becomes 460, then there will be a somewhat larger power difference<p>But I would still opt for the 450h

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2006, 05:42 PM
when the GS430 becomes the GS460, i tihnk that the 0-60 should be similar, so when the price of the GS rises when it becomes the 460, the prices will be somewhat similar, so it is just more logical to get better gas mileage

Cozz
02-28-2006, 06:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha...i just was about to post this 2 sec ago<p>if $54,900 isn't a bargain, i don't know what it is</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't see it as a bagain at all.

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2006, 07:23 PM
how's that<p>half a second faster than GS430, much better fuel economy...it is as though it is just another engine model...and it is only a $3000 premium

knicks125
02-28-2006, 07:40 PM
I think Cozz meant the $55K starting price sticker isn't cheap, in general. Unless you have lots of money to burn, it is not exactly a bargain. However, I'd say the pricing is very reasonable <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As for hybrids in general, other than environmental reasons, personally I'm still not sold. The premium prices take way too long to breakeven versus their regular counterparts, even at higher gas prices. I am going to take the (upfront) savings and put them in my investment (got myself a good stock tip <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> )

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2006, 07:46 PM
oh ok...in that sense yes<p>i was talking in relativity <p>55K is very reasonable for this car, but it is not cheap in the grand sceam of all cars

LEXUS FAN!
03-15-2006, 09:50 PM
autospies posted some pictures...it averaged 26.2 MPG w/ their best at 28.5 MPG<p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=6816&categoryId=9" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...yId=9</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=6815&categoryId=21" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...Id=21</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=6809&categoryId=21" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...Id=21</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=6808&categoryId=21" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/artic...Id=21</A><p>I HAVE A QUESTION...this car has tiptronic and a CVT?...i've never seen that...that's pretty cool...i didn't know you could have tiptronic with a hybrid<br>

zwei Biere bitte
03-15-2006, 11:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how's that<p>half a second faster than GS430, much better fuel economy...it is as though it is just another engine model...and it is only a $3000 premium</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But once you can afford a car that's $55K, do you really care about the fuel economy it gets? I like the idea of this hybrid, however, I just hope manufactures can reduce the costs of hybrid powertrains. :)

LEXUS FAN!
03-15-2006, 11:57 PM
i don't think ppl really care about the fuel economy so much as they do about the name<p>when someone is looking for a car in this segment, they may be torn between all the models because they all have something good, but when this one has the better fuel economy, you just get a better feeling...it has that "feeling" you get that this is the right car...the "it" factor...it is just a little extra push, and the extra half a second faster doesn't hurt either

Cozz
03-16-2006, 05:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't think ppl really care about the fuel economy so much as they do about the name<p>when someone is looking for a car in this segment, they may be torn between all the models because they all have something good, but when this one has the better fuel economy, you just get a better feeling...it has that "feeling" you get that this is the right car...the "it" factor...it is just a little extra push, and the extra half a second faster doesn't hurt either</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wonder if they'll get a good feeling when they cash out $$$$ for new batteries 7 years later. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

haji
03-16-2006, 07:38 AM
and finally the car is ready for sale from today...<p><A HREF="http://lexus.jp/models/gs/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp/models/gs/index.html</A>

LEXUS FAN!
03-16-2006, 08:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I wonder if they'll get a good feeling when they cash out $$$$ for new batteries 7 years later. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>first of all it has an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty, and lexus is known for quality...it will not be 7 years

Ironman273
03-16-2006, 08:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder if they'll get a good feeling when they cash out $$$$ for new batteries 7 years later. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not only what Lexus Fan said, but if you're looking at this type of car, you're probably going to upgrade before the 8 years or 100,000 miles.

LEXUS FAN!
03-16-2006, 06:46 PM
true that Ironman273

LEXUS FAN!
03-17-2006, 11:32 PM
official EPA<p><A HREF="http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2006031732174" TARGET="_blank">http://pressroom.toyota.com/Re...32174</A>

Hornbag
03-18-2006, 08:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But once you can afford a car that's $55K, do you really care about the fuel economy it gets?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>EXACTLY!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Ironman273
03-18-2006, 09:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But once you can afford a car that's $55K, do you really care about the fuel economy it gets? I like the idea of this hybrid, however, I just hope manufactures can reduce the costs of hybrid powertrains. :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe it's not anything that was thought about because there was no option, but if you could get the performance of a V8 or V12 (depending if we're talking GS or LS) and still get fuel economy in the high 20's <I>plus</I> 80% less emissions, why wouldn't you consider it?

LEXUS FAN!
03-18-2006, 11:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But once you can afford a car that's $55K, do you really care about the fuel economy it gets? I like the idea of this hybrid, however, I just hope manufactures can reduce the costs of hybrid powertrains. :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the fuel economy is just a little extra "oomph" or push to get the buyer to buy the car...

Blackraven
03-18-2006, 11:11 AM
Check the JDM version of the car at <A HREF="http://lexus.jp" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp</A><p>Stunning side profile.

knicks125
03-18-2006, 11:14 AM
Edmunds' full test resulted about 22mpg combined:<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=109609" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...09609</A>

lsleelee
03-18-2006, 12:13 PM
Anybody who thinks a person who can afford $55k shouldn't be worried about fuel economy....I fall into that category and I'm worried. Not 'selfish-whiney-American worried' (ie, my checkbook and nothing else matters [PS I can say that because I AM American]), but 'actual worried.' It's a nonrenewable resource which causes massive pollution at all stages of production and use, and the US is too dependent on foreign oil. <p>I'm far more interested in the improvement in emissions than a slight increase in fuel economy anyway.<p>I plan to get this vehicle.

Petrol Head
03-18-2006, 12:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Edmunds' full test resulted about 22mpg combined:<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=109609" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...09609</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is pretty impressive condsidering a 540i, or other conventional competitors, would probably return low teens on the same run.<p>Autospies (I know, not the best source) got 26+ on the combined run which seems pretty damn good for the performance.

ndjan
03-18-2006, 12:39 PM
So essentially it has moderately better performance with a moderate price increase. Throw in the moderate increase in fuel economy, and you have a great value.

vasia
03-18-2006, 05:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But once you can afford a car that's $55K, do you really care about the fuel economy it gets? I like the idea of this hybrid, however, I just hope manufactures can reduce the costs of hybrid powertrains. :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Even if people don't care, it's more so for bragging rights. You have the <I></I>luxury<I></I> of super low emissions, high fuel economy, and high performance.

vasia
03-18-2006, 05:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I wonder if they'll get a good feeling when they cash out $$$$ for new batteries 7 years later. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not one production Toyota hybrid has been found yet with dead batteries. Yes, including the first-gen Prius. <p>Besides, at least in North America, Toyota will pay you about $200 for your dead batteries. Not a bad deal at all. <p>By the time batteries on hybrid cars start dying, battery packs should be much cheaper than they currently are.

LEXUS FAN!
05-03-2006, 04:31 PM
it's officially on sale<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/models/gs_hybrid/index.html?s_ocid=20533" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/models/gs...20533</A>

Duval
05-03-2006, 11:06 PM
I simply love this car, my mom is planning on buying a GS at the beggining of next year God's willing. <IMG SRC="http://64.255.174.200/board/images/smilies/dancing.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
05-03-2006, 11:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Duval</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://64.255.174.200/board/images/smilies/dancing.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Freaky-ass smiley.

Duval
05-04-2006, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Freaky-ass smiley.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol...yes it is.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
05-10-2006, 01:38 AM
The GS450h is being launched here atm... and its gotta price tag of $122grand Australian. The GS430 is $137grand and the GS300 is $95grand fa entry and $112grand for the top of range.<p>I have to say theyve priced it well over here. In the US. its like US$3grand more then the GS430.

LEXUS FAN!
05-10-2006, 10:14 PM
so the GSh is cheaper than the GS430 in AU?

scorpio14
05-10-2006, 10:41 PM
Yurp.... and i wonder if itll sell better then the 430 over here

scorpio14
05-21-2006, 02:00 AM
There have been a few test-drives of this car done by a few newspapers and website in Australia since its launch.... <p>I found on interesting that was by Drive.com.au (which has for some reason dissappeared from the site). It compared the GS450h with the E55 AMG. It also said in the article that Lexus claimed that the Lexus could do 0-100km/h in 5secs which contrasted with all the other articles i've read on the car in Australia which Lexus claimed 6.1secs. <p>Well in the test Drive.com.au did they could only manage to get the Lexus to do the time in 6.9secs (if i remember correctly) which shocked me. <p>Lexus Australia (and sometimes Toyota Australia) have a history of claiming 0-100km/h times that when tested they are never close. But still i find that 6.9secs for this car aint good, the GS430 had a time of 7secs (by Wheels magazine) and im sure that when the GS350 comes out itd do the time in the low 6secs. <p>Y is this car that slow. It bearly beat the GS430 and im sure the GS350 will be quicker.<p>One think ive learnt is that whatever times that come out from the US fa 0-100km/h (or 0-60mph) which Lexus Australia obviously use to claim times here..... u gotta add a second or more to that time in alot of cases. <br>