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CARSRTHEWORLD
03-23-2005, 06:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>World premiere of the new Mercedes Benz R-Class in New York<p>Stuttgart, Mar 23, 2005 <br>The third Mercedes world premiere of this year will take place in New York this afternoon (4.20 pm CET) when the Stuttgart based manufacturer lifts the wraps on the new R Class at the New York International Auto Show.<br>The R Class takes the acknowledged strengths of established vehicle categories, such as sporty Saloon, Estate, MPV and SUV, and fuses them to create a new vehicle concept with a character all of its own  the Grand Sports Tourer, a car that is all about the three Ds: Dimensions, Design and Dynamism. The new R Class is being launched first in North America, in autumn 2005; deliveries to customers in Europe will commence at the beginning of 2006.<p>The novel concept of the Sports Tourer caters to the needs of modern minded people looking for a car that offers tremendous versatility combined with athletic performance. Quite apart from boasting ample spaciousness, exemplary standards of safety and impeccable comfort for up to six passengers, the new R Class also enthrals with its beguiling styling, prestigious flair and its dynamism out on the road.<p>Measuring 5157 millimetres from nose to tail, the body of the new Mercedes Benz R Class is akin to a luxury saloon in size but is considerably more spacious inside.<p>New York can boast a long and proud tradition of Mercedes world premieres. It was at the International Auto Show in February 1954 that the Stuttgart-based brand unveiled its legendary SL "Gullwing" and 190 SL sports roadster models.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8655/r13ue.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: DCX Press site<p>Looking good!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MOORHOUSE at 2:38 PM 3/23/2005</i>

Chickpig
03-23-2005, 08:38 AM
Mercedes Benz R Class: world premiere in New York<p>Stuttgart, Mar 23, 2005 <br>The New York International Auto Show is to provide the stage for another world premiere from Mercedes Benz, 51 years after hosting the unveiling of the legendary SL gullwing. Now it is the turn of the new Mercedes Benz R Class to make its world debut at the traditional show.<br>The unique vehicle concept at the heart of the Mercedes model founds a new and highly promising "Sports Tourer" market segment. "Our developers had no role model to follow when they created this totally new vehicle. But they did have a guiding principle: dynamic space", says Dr. Thomas Weber, Member of the Board of Management DaimlerChrysler AG, responsible for Research and Technology and Development within the Mercedes Car Group.<p>The R Class Grand Sports Tourer takes the acknowledged strengths of established vehicle categories, such as sporty Saloon, Estate, MPV and SUV, and fuses them to create a new car with a character all of its own. It caters to the needs of modern minded people looking for a car that offers tremendous versatility combined with athletic performance. Quite apart from boasting ample spaciousness, exemplary standards of safety and impeccable comfort for up to six passengers, the new R Class also enthrals with its beguiling styling, prestigious flair and, last but by no means least, its dynamism out on the road.<p>"The new R Class is 'inspired by and built in America' and is therefore very much at home in the U.S. market", says Dr Thomas Weber. "Here we expect to achieve some 60 percent of our unit sales after the market launch in autumn 2005." Deliveries to customers in Europe will begin in early 2006.<p>According to Dr Weber, it takes three Ds to sum up the unique character of the R Class: Dimensions, Design and Dynamism. "Dimension refers to the synthesis of exceptional spaciousness, premium comfort and high variability. The design reflects power, confidence and individuality. And the R Class is as dynamic as it looks  thanks to powerful engines, a seven-speed automatic transmission and permanent all wheel drive."<p>Measuring 5157 millimetres from nose to tail, the body of the new Mercedes Benz R Class is akin to a luxury saloon in size but is considerably more spacious inside. There are 920 millimetres between the first and second rows of seats. Moreover, the second-row seats can be adjusted individually fore and aft, thereby increasing the seat spacing to as much as 990 millimetres. The maximum distance between the second and third rows of seats (depending on seat position) is 920 millimetres.<p>Families who are keen on sports and recreational activities and who are looking for a versatile car that can adapt to all manner of transportation tasks quickly and easily are also catered for by the new R Class as only Mercedes knows how: the four seats in the rear fold flat individually, allowing the load capacity to be expanded to as much as 2057 litres (VDA measuring method), a figure which clearly eclipses the load space offered by estate cars. Loading and unloading is particularly straightforward, courtesy of the level load floor measuring over 2.20 metres in length and the generously proportioned EASY PACK tailgate, which is available with remote-control opening and closing as an optional convenience enhancing feature.<p><br>Engine outputs range from 165 kW/224 hp up to 225 kW/306 hp, clearly signalling just what the new R Class is capable of in terms of dynamic performance and motoring enjoyment. The powerful V8 gasoline engine under the bonnet of the R 500 propels it from standstill to 100 km/h in just 6.9 seconds and on to a top speed of 240 km/h (provisional figures). Also to be found in the engine line up (from the beginning of 2006) is a new six cylinder power unit with third-generation common rail, direct injection technology. The V6 engine places its class beating peak torque of 510 Newton metres on tap from as low down as 1600 rpm. The fuel consumption figures returned by the R 320 CDI are no less astounding: 8.9 litres per 100 kilometres (combined consumption).<p>A seven speed automatic transmission, permanent all wheel drive, the electronically controlled 4ETS traction system and ESP team up to offer peerless driving safety. These systems all make up part of the standard specification of the new R-Class, as does air suspension at the rear axle.<p><br>In addition, some of the very latest Mercedes safety innovations are available as optional extras: PRE SAFE, the multi-award-winning anticipatory protection system, detects critical handling situations and immediately springs into action to prepare occupants and vehicle alike for an imminent collision. Precautions include pulling the driver's and front passenger's seat belts taut, adjusting the front passenger seat to the optimum position and automatically closing the sliding sunroof. Another Mercedes first for improving standards of occupant safety still further is the NECK PRO crash-responsive head restraints (optional).<br>

Charger
03-23-2005, 08:38 AM
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CARSRTHEWORLD
03-23-2005, 08:43 AM
Some more pics:<p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/857242f2004f6606_07__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/856914a2004f5934__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/856893a2004f5931__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85679005a1229__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/856721a2004f6003__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/856644a2004f5958__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85652005a1069__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85649805a1046__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85646505a1019__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85637405a784__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85628605a667__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85615905c1105_10__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/85614805c1105_05__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: DCX Press

Chickpig
03-23-2005, 08:44 AM
Dynamic space: The new R-Class, the Grand Sports Tourer from Mercedes-Benz<br>New York, Mar 23, 2005 <br>For the second time within the space of just one month, Mercedes-Benz is lifting the wraps on another brand new model series, the new R-Class, which is making its world debut at the New York International Auto Show.<br>This groundbreaking vehicle concept reaffirms the role of Mercedes-Benz as the visionary and trendsetter amongst automotive brands, since the R-Class founds a new and highly promising market segment. It takes the acknowledged strengths of established vehicle categories, such as sporty Saloon, Estate, MPV and SUV, and fuses them to create a new car with a character all of its own, a car that is all about the three Ds: Dimensions, Design and Dynamism. The new R-Class is being launched first in North America, in autumn 2005; deliveries to customers in Europe will begin at the beginning of 2006.<p>The novel concept of the Grand Sports Tourer caters to the needs of modern-minded people looking for a car that offers tremendous versatility combined with athletic performance. Quite apart from boasting ample spaciousness, exemplary standards of safety and impeccable comfort for up to six passengers, the new R-Class also enthrals with its beguiling styling, prestigious flair and, last but by no means least, its dynamism out on the road.<p>To put it in a nutshell: the Grand Sports Tourer offers a whole new motoring experience.<p>It was back in 2002 that Mercedes-Benz first unveiled this revolutionary new vehicle concept to the public; less than three years later the study has evolved to reach series-production status.<p>Measuring 5157 millimetres from nose to tail, the body of the new Mercedes-Benz R-Class is akin to a luxury saloon in size but is considerably more spacious inside. This is due primarily to the sophisticated vehicle concept and a dimensional design that has been ingeniously planned right down to the finest detail: around 64% of the vehicle's overall body length is available for the occupants, proportions that conventional notchback saloons are simply unable to match.<p>Dimensions: spacing between seats up to 990 millimetres <p>Consequently, standards of interior spaciousness and comfort are nothing less than first-class. Take the seat spacing, for instance, which amounts to 920 millimetres, while the second and third rows of seats can be separated by up to 840 millimetres. Moreover, the second-row seats can be adjusted individually fore and aft, thereby increasing the seat spacing to as much as 990 millimetres. The maximum distance between the second and third rows of seats (depending on seat position) is 920 millimetres.<p>Likewise, the figures for headroom (rear: up to 1027 millimetres) and shoulder room (front: 1530 millimetres; rear: up to 1514 millimetres) take the levels of space and comfort aboard the Mercedes-Benz R-Class into a new dimension.<p>Each of the vehicle's six passengers can sit back and relax in comfortable individual seats which offer the added luxury of armrests in the second row. The list of optional extras includes a centre console between the individual seats in the rear with extra stowage compartments along with large cup holders for holding both cups and bottles upright during the journey.<p>The separate DVD/CD player which is also available as an option gives passen-gers in the rear full control over their own in-car entertainment programme. Colour screens and earphone connections are integrated into the back of the head re-straints in front.<p>The efficient air conditioning system makes long journeys aboard the new R Class all the more comfortable. In addition to the standard-specification THERMATIC dual-zone climate control featuring a separate control panel for the passengers in the rear, Mercedes-Benz is also able to offer a newly developed multi-zone THER-MOTRONIC system as an option. Equipped with over a dozen sensors as well as an auxiliary booster blower, the system is able to faithfully maintain the temperatures set by the driver, the front passenger and the occupants in the rear. Climate control in the new R-Class is rounded off by a separate rear air conditioning unit which can be ordered as an option for the third row of seats.<p>The specially developed panoramic sunroof (optional), whose glass panels extend over virtually the entire surface of the roof, ensures a cooling supply of fresh air for the interior whilst letting in a pleasant amount of extra light, which all adds up to a matchless open-air motoring sensation for the occupants.<p>Families who are keen on sports and recreational activities and who are looking for a versatile car that can adapt to all manner of transportation tasks quickly and easily are also catered for by the new R-Class as only Mercedes knows how: the four seats in the rear fold flat individually, allowing the load capacity to be expanded to as much as 2057 litres (VDA measuring method), a figure which clearly eclipses the load space offered by estate cars. Loading and unloading is particularly straightforward, courtesy of the level load floor measuring over 2.20 metres in length and the generously proportioned EASY-PACK tailgate, which is available with remote-control opening and closing as an optional convenience-enhancing feature.<p>Design: a poised, assured presence<p>The design provides a visual expression of the poised, assured and dynamic character of the new R-Class. The front end is dominated by a striking radiator grille whose long, horizontal louvres symbolise strength and energy  attributes which characterise more than just the shape of the Grand Sports Tourer. The headlamps are equally expressive. Set well to the outside, they reinforce the powerful-looking, broad stance of the bodywork.<p>The arching roof line is a further typical styling element of the new R-Class, providing a sweeping link between the A-pillar and D-pillar and lending the car a sleek, coup-like silhouette. The pronounced, muscular shoulders of the body add yet more dynamism to the Grand Sports Tourer and reveal its true nature.<p>

Chickpig
03-23-2005, 08:44 AM
Dynamism: V6 and V8 engines with up to 510 Newton metres of torque<br>Engine outputs range from 165 kW/224 hp up to 225 kW/306 hp, clearly signalling just what the new R-Class is capable of in terms of dynamic performance and motoring enjoyment. The powerful V8 powerplant under the bonnet of the R 500 propels it from standstill to 100 km/h in just 6.9 seconds and on to a top speed of 240 km/h (provisional figures).<p>Also to be found in the engine line-up is a new six-cylinder power unit with third-generation common-rail, direct-injection technology, whose credentials include improved fuel consumption, even lower exhaust emissions and an audible improvement in refinement. The V6 engine places its class-beating peak torque of 510 Newton metres on tap from as low down as 1600 rpm. The fuel consumption figures returned by the R 320 CDI are no less astounding: 8.9 litres per 100 kilometres (combined consumption).<p>Powered by the new 200-kW/272-hp V6 petrol engine, the R 350 accelerates from 0-100 km/h in just 8.3 seconds and goes on to reach a top speed of 230 km/h.<p>All engine models are partnered as standard by the 7G-TRONIC seven-speed automatic transmission, which itself comes with a noteworthy new feature in the form of DIRECT SELECT. This electronic transmission control system has allowed Mercedes engineers to dispense with the conventional automatic selector lever in the centre console and to replace it instead with a lever on the steering column. Additional gearshift buttons on the steering wheel enable drivers to manually pre-select the seven forwards gears, just like in a Formula One racing car. This allows the power reserves of the six and eight-cylinder engines to be harnessed to optimum effect in any driving situation.<p>Permanent all-wheel drive, the electronically controlled 4ETS traction system and ESP team up to offer peerless driving safety and keep the new R-Class safely on course, even in very bad road conditions. These systems all make up part of the vehicle's standard specification, as does air suspension at the rear axle.<p>Mercedes customers also have the option of AIRMATIC all-round air suspension. This is interlinked with the ADS Adaptive Damping System, offering motorists the facility of raising the body by up to 50 millimetres when driving along rough roads. At high speeds above 120 km/h, the body is automatically lowered by 20 millimetres to reduce wind resistance.<p>Quite apart from making travelling in the Grand Sports Tourer an extremely comfortable experience, the very latest innovations from Mercedes also make it an ex-tremely safe one too: PRE-SAFE, the multi-award-winning anticipatory protection system which is available as an option, detects critical handling situations and immediately springs into action to prepare occupants and vehicle alike for an imminent collision. Precautions include pulling the driver's and front passenger's seat belts taut, adjusting the front passenger seat to the optimum position and automatically closing the sliding sunroof. These preventive protection measures improve the seating position of the vehicle's occupants prior to impact, thereby enhancing the restraining effect of the seat belts and airbags.<p><br>Adaptive front airbags and front sidebags as well as windowbags can all be found on the standard specification list of the new R-Class, and all passengers enjoy the added reassurance of belt tensioners and belt force limiters. A further Mercedes first for improving standards of occupant safety still further is the NECK-PRO crash-responsive head restraints (optional): in the event of a collision from the rear, the head restraints instantly slide forwards by 44 millimetres and upwards by 30 millimetres. This has the effect of cushioning the front passengers' heads earlier, which reduces the risk of whiplash.<p><br>Mercedes-Benz offers a number of packages comprising valuable extras for the new R-Class. This allows customers to appoint and upgrade their Grand Sports Tourer to suit their personal taste. In addition to the AIRMATIC package, options include the chrome styling package for the exterior, a sports styling package featuring a specially styled instrument cluster, sports pedals, 19-inch wheels and power-adjustable sports seats upholstered in Alcantara/ARTICO man-made leather, as well as an interior appointments package comprising leather upholstery, power-adjustable front seats and wood trim.<p>

Chickpig
03-23-2005, 08:57 AM
beautiful car but it's expected. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
03-23-2005, 10:22 AM
Entire press release and the works:<p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050323.014" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n...3.014</A>

nstreet16
03-23-2005, 11:26 AM
so how much should i expect to pay for this thing?<p>Its nice... im not too wow! about it...but its nice. Its like another Chrysler Pacifica.<p>Hopefully it will be cheap. Lemme tell ya... If not bring the damn B-Class over..that is more the pricage! hahaha JP. But its nice

bolita
03-23-2005, 12:24 PM
Interesting transmission lever change issue...<p>I'd rather a conventional lever though....

knicks125
03-23-2005, 12:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nstreet16</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so how much should i expect to pay for this thing?<p>Its nice... im not too wow! about it...but its nice. Its like another Chrysler Pacifica.<p>Hopefully it will be cheap. Lemme tell ya... If not bring the damn B-Class over..that is more the pricage! hahaha JP. But its nice</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it won't be cheap - there is an added charge for the badge itself, to start with

Flagship
03-23-2005, 12:56 PM
If this thing were $35k-$40k it would sell like hot cakes.Can't wait to see one in person.

AM2
03-23-2005, 01:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If this thing were $35k-$40k it would sell like hot cakes.Can't wait to see one in person.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Too bad... My guess is the V6 R350 might start in the $45K-$50K area...

CalinG7
03-23-2005, 02:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Too bad... My guess is the V6 R350 might start in the $45K-$50K area...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You think it'll be that cheap. This thing is basically an S-class wagon, and S-classes start at what, about $70,000, right? <p>It's pretty nice, downright huge inside, but maybe a little bland. I guess we're pretty spoiled when we feel we have a right to complain that something so new is bland.................. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
03-23-2005, 02:55 PM
Nice, but rear is awkward.

VexedandGlorious
03-23-2005, 03:04 PM
i love this car,moving the shifter to the column seemed to be a good idea, saves room, the only thing i dislike is that God awful steering wheel, and i though GMs platform sharing was bad, the only thing i dislike is the interior color.

skoochythatone
03-23-2005, 03:06 PM
ITS OUT, ITS OUT...I am really excited about this, have been waiting for it forever!!! <p>I like it, I know it was pretty much clear what it was gonna look like, therefore no big surprises. <p>My personal belief: ByeBye BMW and whatever you guys wanna develop to beat this!

knicks125
03-23-2005, 03:15 PM
please correct me if i'm wrong, but what i got (from the power dept) is that there will be a v6 (on the r320) and a v8 (on the r500), and, 224hp v6, with 0-60 well over 8secs, and 306hp v8, repsectively 0-60 just under 7 secs, but, i expected a lot more, especially from a company like MB, those numbers would not match well with the prices they are about to offer...let's just hope the cdi technology will boost the fuel economy as they said

AM2
03-23-2005, 03:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You think it'll be that cheap. This thing is basically an S-class wagon, and S-classes start at what, about $70,000, right? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>So an R350 could start at $70K!!! Thats damn expensive!<br>Does that mean an R500 could cost $80K!<br>The all-new M-class seems to have better value for money.<br>By the way, don't they share the same platform?<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 6:39 AM 3/24/2005</i>

Roadster44
03-23-2005, 03:47 PM
I actually like it, perfect substitute to SUV and I can't wait for AMG and Brabus versions! Sick!!!!!!

Krypton
03-23-2005, 03:50 PM
Looks really nice, a bit bland but maybe thats becuse the concept was really good looking. If they keep the price below 60K thell be able to sell a lot

Roadster44
03-23-2005, 03:54 PM
I see prices in 55-90k range.

zwei Biere bitte
03-23-2005, 04:05 PM
From some angles it looks HOT. From others it looks like a bloated S Class wagon (Which it basicly is). I was hoping Mercedes would put the shifter on the console, not the steering wheel column. Can't wait to see it in person.

Top Secret
03-23-2005, 04:30 PM
An S-Class wagon? Why is everyone saying this? If anything, it's more related with th ML-Class then the S-Class.

CalinG7
03-23-2005, 05:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An S-Class wagon? Why is everyone saying this? If anything, it's more related with th ML-Class then the S-Class.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, it's about 203 inches long, just like the LWB S-class, and it's kind of a wagon (wagon/MPV/etc.), so it's kind of exactly what a tall S-class wagon would be if they made one, or if they called the R-class as such. <p>AM2, yeah you're right. The R-class and the M-class share the same platform, so in that sense they're related, but the price doesn't necessarily have to be too similar, as the similar Toyota Camry and Lexus ES330 can attest. Actually, since the M/R-class chassis is unibody and not truck based, why did MB develop a whole new/different chassis for these vehicles instead of using the E-class chassis for the MLs and the S-class chassis for the R-class, at least the LWB one?<p>That said, does it seem that you get a lot more car for the money, in some ways, with these crossovers than you would get with a comparably sized sedan or coupe from the same manufacturer? M-class compared to the E-class, for instance. Just a thought.

RetroJapan
03-23-2005, 05:34 PM
I love the concept of a luxury crossover like the R Class, but I don't know... something about this just looks really weird... The wheels look too small, and it's so.... pudgy.... <p>I'm personally a little bit disappointed in the styling... The interior looks nice, though....

Tidal
03-23-2005, 05:42 PM
I absolutely love this car. The only thing bad about it is that new MB steering wheel, everything else looks great. The swb should look even better with the shorter rear doors.<p>As for pricing, it should carry a premium over the equivalent E-Klass estate, but still, below the S-Klass.

Hornbag
03-24-2005, 12:39 AM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about hot 2 trot!<p>But the back is too bland and the side too overdone, altho i LOVE those tail lights.

CWW
03-24-2005, 02:03 PM
Really ugly, not a real Mercedes anymore. Sad. Perhaps good for the U.S. market.

Rugbyplaya91
03-24-2005, 02:06 PM
beautiful.. i just don't like the back that well...

[AP]adiweb
03-24-2005, 02:25 PM
It will cost about the same as the e-class estate with all wheel drive I heard <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> MB is confusing me a bit now.<br>The European edition will be shorther than that american one btw.

VexedandGlorious
03-24-2005, 05:39 PM
do anyone know when the next rclass video is going to be up, they said march, but i still havent seen it.

skoochythatone
03-25-2005, 02:19 AM
R350 will be priced BELOW 50,000$ by the way.<br>The next video in the site should be up soon, expect it in the next few weeks.

-Peter-
03-25-2005, 05:23 AM
maybe its going to be popular as a hearse <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>it sure looks like one<p>I have never been a Mercedes-fan, but now even less, new MBs look all bloated and strange. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
03-25-2005, 05:24 AM
I was wondering. E-class is having some problems. It was way behind the 5 series and A6 ( with only sedan ) in sales in Europe. The CLS could be considered partially responsible for the sedan.<br>But since this thing will cost about the same as an E-class estate 4 matic, but it has more seats and the same space, won't this hurt the E-class estate sales. Especially in the US, since europe only gets the short version. Although I think it will also have some influence here.

skoochythatone
03-25-2005, 06:02 AM
I dont think it will hurt E-Class sales. The target markets are completely different. E-Class is a typical sedan with typical sedan qualities. The R-Class on the other hand is targeted at a whole different group. The sporty family, that is looking for a vehicle with space, luxurious interior and well performing engines. The R-Class is not a minivan, and thats exactly why it will be a hit, cuz people, especially families dont want a mini van all the time, they wanna have something bigger, more special. This is the perfect vehicle for them. And thats why it wont take away sales from the E-Class.<p>Rik, same could be said about a possible vehicle like the R-Class from BMW, wouldnt it take away sales from the X5? Or X3? What do you think?

RikfromBelgium
03-25-2005, 11:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think it will hurt E-Class sales. The target markets are completely different. E-Class is a typical sedan with typical sedan qualities. The R-Class on the other hand is targeted at a whole different group. The sporty family, that is looking for a vehicle with space, luxurious interior and well performing engines. The R-Class is not a minivan, and thats exactly why it will be a hit, cuz people, especially families dont want a mini van all the time, they wanna have something bigger, more special. This is the perfect vehicle for them. And thats why it wont take away sales from the E-Class.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That works in theory. Mercedes said the same thing about the CLS. All about different targets, different styles, different persons. But the result stayed the same: CLS hurts E-class sales.<br>I'm sorry, but for me there isn't a big difference between the E estate and the R-class. Simular prize, simular bootsize, 2 seats more but I don't think it will make such abig difference. I think it might even persuade the buyer even more into buying the R. It's charachteristics are the same. And as the CLS showed, the promo-team mayy try to sell it as something else, customers won't see enough difference. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Rik, same could be said about a possible vehicle like the R-Class from BMW, wouldnt it take away sales from the X5? Or X3? What do you think?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>True, for the X5. I don't see a threat for the X3. X3 is smaller and cheaper.<br>I have wondered about the effect on the X5, but I can't judge it so far as both X5 and RFK are still rather unknown, especially on the technical stuff.

JBlair
03-25-2005, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was wondering. E-class is having some problems. It was way behind the 5 series and A6 ( with only sedan ) in sales in Europe. The CLS could be considered partially responsible for the sedan.<br>But since this thing will cost about the same as an E-class estate 4 matic, but it has more seats and the same space, won't this hurt the E-class estate sales. Especially in the US, since europe only gets the short version. Although I think it will also have some influence here. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This vehicle appeals to totally different people. The E estate is a wagon, and looks like a wagon. The R-class is something different entirely, and will appeal to those people who want a Mercedes SUV, but don't want an ML. You can't really compare two totally different classes of vehicle like that because they aren't the same. Plus, at least in the US, the R-class is closer to the S-class in size than anything else.

skoochythatone
03-25-2005, 12:03 PM
JBlair, I totally agree. I do not see your point with the R-Class hurting E-Class estate sales at all, Rik. One vehicle is a typical Mercedes like estate, and the other is a totally new concept, like JBlair says, targeting a whole different market. Sure some people that were thinking about getting the estate might wonder if the R-Class is the better vehicle for them. But the overall concept of the R-Class appeals, at least in my eyes, to a different group of people. If I want a vehicle that is spacy, luxurious and has good engines without having to buy a Minivan(cuz I dont wanna look like a soccer mom), I will go for the R-Class. It provides me with enough space, the interior is really breathtaking and the offered engines are among the best ones MB can offer. Look at the interior pictures and compare them to any Minivan out there and also to the E-Class estate or 5-series estate, it is totally different.

spwolf
03-25-2005, 12:23 PM
You guys have to learn to live outside press release's world. This car will appeal to the people who need spacious car, and traditional sedan does not work for them (it is simply not versatile enough).<p>Now, depending on pricing, it will for sure eat up sales of some other car. I dont see it priced below E class wagon, because it is significantly bigger than that.<p>It is really not sporty tho, it is pretty darn heavy. I personally would preffer ML350 at any time of the day...

AM2
03-25-2005, 12:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys have to learn to live outside press release's world. This car will appeal to the people who need spacious car, and traditional sedan does not work for them (it is simply not versatile enough).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its for people who want an overpriced MPV/SUV hybrid... but it seems to be more MPV than SUV...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>I dont see it priced below E class wagon, because it is significantly bigger than that. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I believe that it will probably be priced just above the equivalent E-class(320CDi, 350 & 500).<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 3:37 AM 3/26/2005</i>

knicks125
03-25-2005, 02:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its for people who want an overpriced MPV/SUV hybrid... but it seems to be more MPV than SUV...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's the market for MBs, as it seems, overpriced cars

RikfromBelgium
03-25-2005, 03:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JBlair, I totally agree. I do not see your point with the R-Class hurting E-Class estate sales at all, Rik. One vehicle is a typical Mercedes like estate, and the other is a totally new concept, like JBlair says, targeting a whole different market. Sure some people that were thinking about getting the estate might wonder if the R-Class is the better vehicle for them. But the overall concept of the R-Class appeals, at least in my eyes, to a different group of people. If I want a vehicle that is spacy, luxurious and has good engines without having to buy a Minivan(cuz I dont wanna look like a soccer mom), I will go for the R-Class. It provides me with enough space, the interior is really breathtaking and the offered engines are among the best ones MB can offer. Look at the interior pictures and compare them to any Minivan out there and also to the E-Class estate or 5-series estate, it is totally different.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I see your admiration for MB is as big as mine is for BMW. Since it has been pointed out to me on several occasions, I see now problem in doing the same.<p>- MB may try to sell this as a totally new Concept, it isn't, it's just like any other MPV but it has a star on it<br>- It is not because this car has been made with a different targettinggroup in mind that it will sell to that group. Like SPwolf said, cut the folder-talk. I've seen enough things like that trying to sell the CLS as something it isn't. MB is just trying to pull the same thing with the R. <br>- The E-class estate offers the same things ( space, boot, engine's,...) as the R except for the 2 extra seats ( of wich for some reason we still can't really picture the space they offer )<br>- This car still looks a lot like a MINIVan, it may have some pretty details, but it's still a luxurious MINIVAN. I'm sure those soccer-moms will consider this car ( next to the ML and the E )to pick up their children for reasons I have stated above. <br>- This has nothing to do with the discusion but If you find this interior breathtaking compared to the interiors of the almost any other MB on the market well than <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>This has got to be one of their least attaractive interiors in history and if they wan't to sell this as a luxurious cruiser I think they might want to cut down some more trees and kill some cows and starting improving that interior.

Cozz
03-25-2005, 05:29 PM
Hello to all haters <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 07:05 PM
i know i am late, and i see that you guys are making price predictions...what did MB say about the price? did they mention anything?

erzhik
03-25-2005, 07:14 PM
The engines will be:<p>1) V6 3.2 CDI (224 bhp)<br>2) 3.5 (E class engine) (272 bhp)<br>3) R 500 (306 bhp) - maximum speed 240 km/h.. hits 100km/h in 6.9 s.<br>4) and of course AMG version R55, and R65<p>All models will be equiped with 7G-TRONIC "automatic"<p>They will be built in Alabama next to new M class.. <br>American market will see this car this autumn..<p>Worldwide market will see it in march 2006..<p>EXACT PRICES ARE NOT YET ANNOUNCED...

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2005, 07:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The engines will be:<p>1) V6 3.2 CDI (224 bhp)<br>2) 3.5 (E class engine) (272 bhp)<br>3) R 500 (306 bhp) - maximum speed 240 km/h.. hits 100km/h in 6.9 s.<br>4) and of course AMG version R55, and R65<p>All models will be equiped with 7G-TRONIC "automatic"<p>They will be built in Alabama next to new M class.. <br>American market will see this car this autumn..<p>Worldwide market will see it in march 2006..<p>EXACT PRICES ARE NOT YET ANNOUNCED...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks a lot...march 2006?...i have heard late 2005

Top Secret
03-25-2005, 07:53 PM
I agree with Rik. No matter how MB twists this 'new concept' thing, it will, in the end just look like a minivan to consumers and journalists. I don't see how it can be something else other than a minivan - really, just look at it; what features does it have which differentiates it from any other minivan? Maybe one or two things, but that is not enough to make it a whole different type of car - same with the RFK from BMW. Of course, the marketing will say it is a different company, and some people will be gullible enough to believe it and buy it for that specific matter, but to most people, it will and only be a minivan. Nothing more, nothing less.<p>And yes, I can see this car stealing a few, if not a lot, of sales from both the E-Class Estate and the ML-Class.

mzoltarp
03-26-2005, 07:10 AM
The R will definitely steal sales from the M. It's sleek in comparison where the new M looks too much like the old one.

RikfromBelgium
03-26-2005, 09:57 AM
Don't start the crap on" no final prices known yet". We all know from inserderinfo and MB themselves the price will be between a 4-matic E-class estate and an S-class.

erzhik
03-26-2005, 07:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't start the crap on" no final prices known yet". We all know from inserderinfo and MB themselves the price will be between a 4-matic E-class estate and an S-class. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>everyone knows that... MAN, I meant nobody knows what will be the exact figures.. (50,000; 40,000 or more.. who knows) Of course it will be NOT more expensive than the S class.. There is no point for MB to make this new car more expensive than their luxury car.. <p>And the worldwide market will see it in the begining 2006... sorry for that mistake earlier, I meant that Russian market will see it in march 06... <p>And I don't think that R class will steal sales from M class. This is more like a crossover and M class is an SUV.. I'd buy M class instead of this one.. <p>To me R class is more like a family vacation car... lol....

syclone
03-26-2005, 07:35 PM
i dont think it will steal too many ml sales. i know mb wants everyone to think this is some sort of suv, crossover, or mpv, but no matter how much i strain, i cant see anything other than a station wagon. a decent enough looking station wagon, but still a very expensive station wagon. if i were in the market for an suv, i dont think id even look twice.<p>ps - anyone else think that gash on the side would look more at home a bmw?

erzhik
03-28-2005, 04:45 PM
Can't wait to see BRABUS version.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
03-28-2005, 07:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The R will definitely steal sales from the M. It's sleek in comparison where the new M looks too much like the old one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No it won't, it's in a totally different market. No one is ever going to take this thing off road, for starters.

erzhik
03-28-2005, 07:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No it won't, it's in a totally different market. No one is ever going to take this thing off road, for starters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agree... M class is an SUV for offroads... and R class is just a really expensive family car..

zwei Biere bitte
03-28-2005, 08:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No it won't, it's in a totally different market. No one is ever going to take this thing off road, for starters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Then again, no one is ever going to take a M Class off road, for starters.

Flagship
03-29-2005, 12:43 PM
Yesterday I saw this at the auto show and loved it here are some more pics of it.<p><A HREF="http://img176.exs.cx/img176/8830/img03702sv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img176.exs.cx/img176/8830/img03702sv.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img91.exs.cx/img91/6803/5468482ab.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img91.exs.cx/img91/6803/5468482ab.jpg</A><p>Now why doesnt MB use digital temperature layouts anymore?<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Flagship GT at 6:20 PM 3/29/2005</i>

erzhik
03-29-2005, 01:24 PM
In real life or your flagship GT's pics it looks a lot better than on the official pictures..A LOT

Cozz
03-29-2005, 04:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Then again, no one is ever going to take a M Class off road, for starters. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah they will, not many though. Off roading is not only rock climbing, it used for other things like camping wich at times need to pass though mud and what not. I have used the older ML for camping, I was impressed.

zwei Biere bitte
03-29-2005, 06:40 PM
Still, pretty much every vehicle with AWD (R Class) and tad bit higher ground clearance than a car (R Class) can get though somewhat light mud and what not... I hope no one ever takes an R Class rock crawling <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW Cozz, you must be in the 2% of people who actually take their SUVs off road <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
03-29-2005, 08:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>BTW Cozz, you must be in the 2% of people who actually take their SUVs off road <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>... It wasn't mine. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
03-31-2005, 12:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Too bad... My guess is the V6 R350 might start in the $45K-$50K area...<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You think it'll be that cheap. This thing is basically an S-class wagon, and S-classes start at what, about $70,000, right? <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here's something from autoweek:<br>"The replacement 2006 M class went on sale this week priced at $40,470 for the V-6 ML350 and $49,220 for the V-8 ML500. Mercedes-Benz's 1997 launch of the M-Class initiated the luxury SUV segment.<p><B>The R-Class wagon, which uses the M-Class platform, debuted at the New York auto show and goes on sale this fall. It will cost under $50,000, Mercedes-Benz announced at the show.</B><p>The largest and highest-priced of the three vehicles, a replacement for the G-Class, debuts in early 2006. Mercedes-Benz has provided scant details about the G-Class."<br>

knicks125
03-31-2005, 12:42 PM
yeah probably 49,995...for the base model, with nothing<p>i'd like to see what a nicely equipped, or just the most popular version will cost, i'd imagine somewhere around 60k

VexedandGlorious
03-31-2005, 12:57 PM
can you get any bigger than the rclass?<p>imo i expect the G-class to start form the R-classes top o line model, around $75,000

AM2
03-31-2005, 01:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Graffititech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you get any bigger than the rclass?<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well, its possible... maybe not longer, but the G-class would be wider and taller.

Santeno
03-31-2005, 01:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Graffititech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you get any bigger than the rclass?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes, there are passenger versions of the Viano and Sprinter vans, both of which are bigger. There is also the Vaneo, which while not bigger, is definitely taller, so it probably has as a similar (or I wouldn't be suprised if greater) interior volume.

AM2
03-31-2005, 01:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Yes, there are passenger versions of the Viano and Sprinter vans, both of which are bigger. There is also the Vaneo, which while not bigger, is definitely taller, so it probably has as a similar (or I wouldn't be suprised if greater) interior volume.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think what he meant was between the 3 new vehicles mentioned (M-class, R-class and G-class) in the article I posted.<p>"The largest and highest-priced of the three vehicles, a replacement for the G-Class, debuts in early 2006. Mercedes-Benz has provided scant details about the G-Class."<br>"<br>

Krypton
03-31-2005, 01:49 PM
The price may be under 50,000 but if you go to the mercedes website and build an ML, you will see that just adding leather will add a whole bunch of junk and the price will jump to either 45,000 or 48,000 just for adding leather. They might do this to the R-class also

S600Miami
04-04-2005, 01:52 PM
I just went to the NY Auto Show yesterday (its last day) and saw the R-Class up close and personal. There was an R500 on the turntable in the Desert Silver color fully loaded and an R350 in metallic black on the floor. The 350 was barely loaded...silver plastic in place of wood, leatherette, no sunroof. It listed some of the options which included a lighting package of xenons, memory seats, sunroof, navigation, etc etc...all of this would drive the price way up when they release the final numbers. I have to say...I was NOT impressed at all. It really really really looks like a Chrysler Pacifica from the side, and the inner part of the headlights (closest to the grill) look like an afterthought. I just don't quite understand the point of this car. They have the ML, they have the E-Wagon AWD and they'll have the G...are that many people begging for a 4-door van/suv crossover?

Cozz
04-04-2005, 06:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The price may be under 50,000 but if you go to the mercedes website and build an ML, <b>you will see that just adding leather</b> will add a whole bunch of junk and the price will jump to either 45,000 or 48,000 just for adding leather. They might do this to the R-class also</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't leather standered? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
04-05-2005, 12:50 PM
Not leather specifically but they might make you add packages for stuff. The car is very nice though

Cozz
04-05-2005, 04:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not leather specifically but they might make you add packages for stuff. The car is very nice though </TD></TR></TABLE><p>But you said "you will see that just adding leather" when it's not an option? I think they do offer three more types of leather that is the "Designo" series but that also includes different wood and what not.

Krypton
04-05-2005, 04:47 PM
Which car are we talking about here, if it is the ML 350 than leather is optional. Go to MB.com and build a ML. You will see what i am talking about<br><IMG SRC="http://img230.exs.cx/img230/8634/screen41tc.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>and if we are talking about the R-class, than i dont know

sc43018
04-08-2005, 10:41 AM
i was in tuscaloosa, alabama (where MB builds their new SUVs) over the week and saw a R-class driving on the highway.... what a sleek car, its curves and design look so much better in person. The car looks radical in pics, but beautiful in person. another homerun for benz, if i say so myself

Cozz
04-08-2005, 08:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which car are we talking about here, if it is the ML 350 than leather is optional. Go to MB.com and build a ML. You will see what i am talking about<br><IMG SRC="http://img230.exs.cx/img230/8634/screen41tc.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>and if we are talking about the R-class, than i dont know</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's the cloth inserts for the center of the seats. The seat itself is leather all around except where you sit. You can have leather or cloth. I prefer the cloth because of the heat in summer and the cold winter days. Also, the clotch comes standered with aluminum trim unlike the leather.<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

kevinb120
04-08-2005, 10:54 PM
Looks like a Pacifica left under a heat lamp for too long <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
04-09-2005, 07:35 PM
Yeah, WAY too much like the Pacifica. And we all know how well that's done in the showrooms.<p>I think this was a good concept - A large, high-end SUV/minivan alternative with some lux & performance. But there's something missing here. I don't know if it's the crappy little wheels they chose (the concept ones were beautiful) or something else but the styling leads me to think that this isn't going to be a success for them. I mean, what started as a luxury people mover turned into grandma's station wagon...<p>BTW, has anyone noticed how much the G class resembles a Grand Cherokee? Mercedes is on dangerous stylistic ground if you ask me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
04-15-2005, 07:44 AM
<A HREF="http://members.cox.net/jhmclean/" TARGET="_blank">http://members.cox.net/jhmclean/</A> <br>

VexedandGlorious
04-15-2005, 03:20 PM
nice find chickpig,

NevadaJack
04-17-2005, 07:28 AM
See some more images on my other sites listed in my signature. Just click on the R Class albums.<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nevadajack.us/gallery/image01.jpg" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-17-2005, 09:52 AM
car + minivan = r-class

Soul Man
04-17-2005, 09:57 AM
id say that describes its cousin the pacifica, oh and has anyone noticed with poor sales i guess being the reason chrysler has stopped marketing it as whatever they were calling it and now on the commercials they call it an SUV, of course though they say S is for safety still just noticing, i guess they figure if people see it as an SUV more people will buy it

knicks125
04-17-2005, 10:00 AM
avg. consumers might think it's a SUV but to me both the pacifica and the R-class are not SUVs, not even close...crossovers at best

Soul Man
04-17-2005, 10:23 AM
same as how i feel i just think chrysler feels people saw it as a van too, becasue remember there original market of it was liek the verstility of a minivan the ride of a car and the style of an suv on tehri adds, now they just go ahead and call it an suv, i feel this is just a way chrysler thinks they can go and grab some sales since suvs are hot and a minivan with suv attributes (you can get the ride of a car in a minivan, not a sportyish one but its a carlike ride) are not

Gian86
08-11-2005, 04:50 AM
Official pics on european version of R-Class is here.<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/d/88642" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/d/88642</A><p>Click on Foto Show on the side of that page and then that's it.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 11:10 PM 8/11/2005</i>

Gian86
08-11-2005, 04:59 AM
Info here (i translate from german to english at google):<p><I>With the new r-class Mercedes wants to strike several flies with a flap. It has six seats like a Van, all-wheel drive like the m-class and is to drive itself like a sporty sedan. A miracle on wheels? Assumed, one finds jeeps (decay: SUV) with their outdoor image mismatching, too provocatively. A normal combination is too boring and the Vans, also MPV mentioned and too much Familienkut. <br>What then take? Entitled question, because at least in the higher spheres of the autouniverse the offer at alternatives reduced so far to zero. Appropriate region cars with Premiumstempel had to be invented only. Now Mercedes execution announces: The new r-class pushes goal-exactly into the vakante niche between SUV and MPV: All-wheel drive and up to six seats. With 5.16 the car hands, is m nearly to a s-class in long version near however 18 centimeters higher and five centimeters wide. Who cannot apply so much time for the parking lot search, does not need to verzagen meanwhile. In Europe will it the Sechssitzer also in one around 23.5 centimeters shortened variant to give (starting from at the beginning of of 2006). Three engines stand to the selection. As Diesel there is the Dreiliter-V6 (R 320 CDI), which with 224 HP and 510 Nm offers the smallest achievement, but the highest torque within the pallet. The Benzinerfraktion still consists of the 3,5-Liter-V6 (272 HP, 350 Nm) and the Fuenfliter-V8 (306 HP, 460 Nm), the latters in the previous version. Much area and comfort at the front places. <br>The question, whether it requires really such extents, in order to accommodate six humans comfortably, answers itself logical-proves only if one takes place on rear ranks. In the middle seat row at least the thing seems clearly: So much light area cannot offer a sedan. Second class travel meanwhile the passengers five and six. Place and comfort on the two single seats in the third row are comparatively modestly, rather appropriate for Halbwuechsige. On the other hand the r-class pleases by its adaptability. One can put all four rear seats flat, on which an even loading area develops. The maximum load volume reaches so 2385 litres. How does the spaceship drive itself? In curves the soft US version rolls like a schoner in heavy lake, while it wants to be held with unloading tax movements course. To hear well that the tauter European execution should be clearly more agiler. <br>The US car, a R 500, demonstrated at the same time that achievement is to be seen always relative. If 306 HP meet the result to 2,24 tons (factory specification), are pleasing, but not overwhelming. Nevertheless the HP offer is to be sufficient, in order to be able to reach after seven seconds speed 100 and maximally 245 km/h. The cultivated Dreiventil-V8 is noticeable still pleasantly, may not be also more completely current it. Meanwhile one should not expect consumption records: 13.3 Liter/100 kilometer according to European Union standard. Price range? Clearly less than the s-class, the announcement reads. As guideline assistance the e-class can serve as t-model with 4-Matic. In the plain language: starting from 50.000 euro.</I>

knicks125
08-11-2005, 05:13 AM
<A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14494" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14494</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
08-11-2005, 05:24 AM
opps, what is going on with meeeeeeeeeee. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"><br>I forgot about this car big time, i search it and i can't find it, sorry guys. Two times in a row is painful for me. Looks like i'm going to research some cars that's been released this year and also i had to becareful to make topics untill i reasearched all first, thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">. This must be my worst day been on CSS today. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
08-11-2005, 06:12 AM
actually it's not your fault. Many inactive threads get archived automatically.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
08-12-2005, 04:30 AM
Ohh, cool. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I didn't know much until now. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

kuules
11-14-2005, 11:15 AM
<A HREF="http://autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/51114133548190_rklasse.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autowereld.com/imagesDB...e.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/5111413355349_rklasse.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autowereld.com/imagesDB...e.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/5111413355784_rklasse.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autowereld.com/imagesDB...e.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/511141336235_rklasse.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autowereld.com/imagesDB...e.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/51114133642185_rklasse.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autowereld.com/imagesDB...e.jpg</A><p>source autowereld.com

DoMiNo
11-14-2005, 12:42 PM
Me gusta.<p>In fact, I'd venture to say that I like this car more and more with each time that I see it.

Santeno
11-14-2005, 01:11 PM
Here is an article from earlier this year with a bit of info:<p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/SpyPhotoID/6040427.001/mercedes/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A>

geary
11-14-2005, 02:04 PM
So I assume this is the production version - not the concept we saw at Frankfurt?!

Superfresa
11-14-2005, 02:09 PM
Nice! Best looking MB since the CLS!

Redline
11-14-2005, 02:19 PM
Rather tame looking for an AMG, but those alcantara seats look great.

Player4
11-14-2005, 02:32 PM
Guys this is just the R-Class with the AMG Package. This is NOT the R-AMG with the 6.3L engine.<p>Look at the badge on the rear it says R350.<p>Here are bigger and a couple for pics.<br><A HREF="http://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2006-r-class_amg_styling" TARGET="_blank">http://www.netcarshow.com/merc...yling</A>/

odic
11-14-2005, 02:37 PM
yes player4 that's what i thought too<p>have a look at those exhausts guys, those aren't AMG ones <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
11-14-2005, 03:37 PM
yea and theres no badge on the side, or quad pipes for the 6.3l. yea, and the fact that it says r350 on it and no amg badge.

knicks125
11-14-2005, 03:53 PM
FYI:<p>R class AMG thread in spy shots section - <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14696" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14696</A><br>

bm88
01-30-2006, 07:17 AM
BRABUS R Class<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/tuners.cfm/tunerid/7060130.001" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/tu...0.001</A>

Dodger
01-30-2006, 12:09 PM
It looks good but the front end looks a little busy with all the lights.

Denali
01-30-2006, 04:19 PM
[QUOTE=MOORHOUSE]BRABUS R Class[QUOTE]<p>nice..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

9fan
02-03-2006, 09:46 PM
Is the R-Class selling well enough? It only sold 686 in January and has marketing support already of $5000 from Mercedes according to autonews. It's one of two models to have marketing support from MB, the other being the S-class, which makes sense since its being replaced, but the R-class is relatively new.

Cozz
02-04-2006, 06:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>9fan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the R-Class selling well enough? It only sold 686 in January and has marketing support already of $5000 from Mercedes according to autonews. It's one of two models to have marketing support from MB, the other being the S-class, which makes sense since its being replaced, but the R-class is relatively new.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The R-class was going to be a low volume product. I think somewhere 10,000 to 15,000 per year. But these numbers were for the US alone. I don't know what number they are looking for worlwide.<p>They have produced 4,753 of them in January. Just under half of the ML. They look to be on target with both models.<p>Another way we can look at it is by how much the factory can produce yearly. I think it was somewhere at 200,000 to 250,000 units a year maxed. Ths includes the ML, GL and R.<p>ML- 11,000 (jan) x 12 = 132,000 units yearly<br>R - 4,700 (jan) x 12 = 56,400 unit yearly<p>= 188,400 not inlduding the upcoming GL wich can easily do over 50K units per year. Looks to be on target with the production numbers as well.<p>

Naga Royal Guard
02-04-2006, 06:52 AM
theres alot of these things in high-end areas around here