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Ascariss
03-23-2005, 12:07 AM
info and facts:<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/commander/commander_info.doc" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...o.doc</A><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//Commander_01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//Commander_02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//Commander_03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//Commander_04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>More pics<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/commander/pages/1.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...1.htm</A>

JBlair
03-23-2005, 12:15 AM
Those grab handles at the rear are bizarre, and the profile reminds me of a bloated and squared-off Liberty. Almost looks like Picasso got his hands on a Liberty during his cubist phase. Interior design is odd ( you can definitely see the GC design coming through), and it reminds me a lot of the Rescue concept for some reason. Its definitely growing on me with every new picture that we see, but I'll need to see it in person first.

Naga Royal Guard
03-23-2005, 12:30 AM
glad its finaly here, i like it much more than the LR3 - i truly hated the previous jeep grand cherokee, but this is great :)

Hornbag
03-23-2005, 12:35 AM
Sooooooooooooo much better than i thouht it would be. A car can look much better when u think it will look ugly from the start, then it will looks heaps betta. I kinda like it, inside looks heaps better. But still not my cupa, but the side ciew is good...

Gian86
03-23-2005, 01:04 AM
Better looking than old cherokee and also this car's interior had best looks on jeep. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

_PiCASSO_
03-23-2005, 04:50 AM
I dunno. My first impression wasn't good. It reminded me of the Beijing Jeep 2500:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.beijing-jeep.com/images/bj2003_001.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.beijing-jeep.com/jeep2500_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.beijing-jeep.com/jeep2500_1.html</A><p>A little too boxy for my tastes, but I'll reserve my final judgement when I see the Commander in person. I was actually hoping that it would be a larger version of the WK (new Grand Cherokee) with proper square lights (not those goofy circular and out of place lights). Oh well.

The Water Is Poison
03-23-2005, 05:41 AM
I like the back, but the front needs way too much work

Hornbag
03-23-2005, 05:50 AM
I hate the front and back, they are way too square, but the side view is actually attractive!

mzoltarp
03-23-2005, 07:03 AM
So that's where my 89 Cherokee went! I like it oddly enough.

Monkey
03-23-2005, 07:06 AM
Still not sure of the front. I'll hold off judgement until after Saturday when I see it in person.

Charger
03-23-2005, 07:08 AM
Wow, this looks fantastic. This will definitely sell. I dont care what people say, this looks great. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
03-23-2005, 07:23 AM
Heres some more pics. You can see the "Command" view moon roofs<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.allpar.com/images/autoshow/2005/commander/commander-seats.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.allpar.com/images/autoshow/2005/commander/3-row-seating.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.allpar.com/images/autoshow/2005/commander/storage.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: allpar

jasonm
03-23-2005, 07:57 AM
Anyone know what the dealers are saying about this?

turbonium959
03-23-2005, 07:59 AM
There are a lot of things that are a turn-off for me about this car. This biggest one, I think, are the visible hex bolts on the instrument panel. No matter how rugged this monster is supposed to be, exposing hex bolt heads just makes pull out my allen wrench, and start taking all the bolts out!

bolita
03-23-2005, 08:23 AM
Look terribly unrefined and dated IMO. In any case, does look better in brown than the black pictures that where out there.<p>I loved the Cherokee which ironically was inspired on the original Range Rover but I feel that Jeep could have better performed this iteration.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
03-23-2005, 09:15 AM
I sort of like it, the interior could use more attention, but to save money i'd just take a 90' Cherokee grille from a scrapyard and mount it on a 90' Isuzu Trooper. I don't know if i'd want to pay the 40K+ price tag this is going to have for that, would rather have something more modern looking.

Naga Royal Guard
03-23-2005, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarMattZu777</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I sort of like it, the interior could use more attention, but to save money i'd just take a 90' Cherokee grille from a scrapyard and mount it on a 90' Isuzu Trooper. I don't know if i'd want to pay the 40K+ price tag this is going to have for that, would rather have something more modern looking.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>whats the problem? even jeep can ascend from selling outdated garbage and release an attractive <I>lineup</I>

Santeno
03-23-2005, 10:46 AM
Well If you had your heart set on a nice Gelandewagen (G-Series mercedes SUV for all you newbies), now you know where you can buy one for half the price.<p>I don't dislike the styling, but I do have a few criticisms. <p>1) what is up with the bunmper blisters? Damn it Chrysler, even GM finally figure out that Blisters where an added on compromise. you took them off the liberty, why put them back in here?<p>2) When viewd from the side, the front quarter (forward of the A-pillar) appears much smaller -and out of proportion- with the rear 3/4 of the vehicle.<p>3) The wheel/tire combo, while nice enough, seems a bit undersized (from a stlystic POV) for a vehicle of this size. I can already see the lines forming at local aftermarket rim sellers.<p>4) Lastly, I'm not quite sure what to make ouf the grill/headlight combo. For a vehicle with so many textured surfaces, the grill is surprisingly flat. almost as if someone sliced it off. The headlights continuing this flat design, only adds to the feeling that something is missing from the front.<p>I like it, but something tells me that a few styling points will be addressed when this vehicle recieves it's first refresh.

CalinG7
03-23-2005, 10:51 AM
Uggh!!!!. So many lines running every which way. Busy, busy, busy. How can this thing be both bland and overy-designed at the same time? It has grown on me, I'll admit that, but it's definitely not something to lust for.

Bluesman
03-23-2005, 11:56 AM
It's as if they were trying to make the vehicle look smaller by making the grill area small, i.e. having your cake and eating it too.<p>"It's a bigger SUV but let's try and make it appear like a small one, that way it won't scare the 'Soccer Moms' too much".<p>That's the only reason I can think of for the quirky look. Perhaps all the lines are meant to break it up and hide the size.<p>So reading the Autoweek article regarding the retro design inspiration, I guess everything old is new again (Mustang). Some things retro should stay in the past (bell bottoms & side burns). I buy new because I want stuff that looks new, I don't want new stuff that looks old. This looks old to me and although I could live with it, I don't like it. Perhaps it's the square box look. The sides of this look just like my 98' GC, only taller.<p>I don't like the round steering wheel hub, it looks like it belongs on a Cherokee, not a premium up scale Jeep.<p>Hmmm. That GMC Envoy EXT V8 is looking better all the time.....<p>

GerjurdKing
03-23-2005, 12:03 PM
It looks better than that pic of the black one that was floating around. It looks modern in a dated sort of way....<p>Maybe what this needs is a monochrome grille. It sure helped the new GC look better. Any word?

bolita
03-23-2005, 12:13 PM
Probably the base model will have a more monochome look to it IMO<p>I dont think it will help much but I'll keep the jury out until I see it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

M0L0TOV
03-23-2005, 12:29 PM
I waited to see the real thing and not photoshops. I'm really biting my tongue on this one. The look does go back to the older Cherokee, which isn't a bad thing. I was really hoping that the Commander would look like the Rescue concept but you can't expect such a thing when the Rescue was based off the Ram pickup platform. In all, I'm a bit confused with Jeep's styling direction. The Liberty and Wrangler share a family resemblance. The new Grand Cherokee is mostly Jeep, but I still can't shake the notion that I think of Mercedes when I look at those headlights (yeah, I know DCX). Now with the Commander, I'm just confused. When the new Charger came out, I was "iffy" about it, but it grew on me rather quickly. The Commander, I might have to drink a few before seeing it's beauty. I know it seems like it's well thought out on the inside, just the exterior <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> I'm sure we'll see this thing on 20' spinners soon enough.<p>M0L0TOV

Flagship
03-23-2005, 12:50 PM
Looks like the Jeep Cherokee/Mercedes G-unit suv to me. The interior looks good but I dont like those wood screws they used to support the dash.Over all i like it. <br>

Santeno
03-23-2005, 01:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some things retro should stay in the past (bell bottoms & side burns).</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Didn't you know? Bell bottoms are new again, only now they are called Boot-cut. I have about 6 pairs.<p>As with many of you, the more I see this the more it looks like an enlarged Jeep Cherokee from the 80's, with a few Liberty touches thrown in.

Charger
03-23-2005, 01:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>As with many of you, the more I see this the more it looks like an enlarged Jeep Cherokee from the 80's, with a few Liberty touches thrown in.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Who says that's a bad thing?

Player4
03-23-2005, 01:32 PM
The front looks like a sad dog, the side profile like someone said from the A-Pillar forwards it doesnt go with the other 3/4 of the vehicle, the rear is not bad but tailamps remind me of the new Spectra's taillamps and those black things on the D-Pillars, what are those???<p>I want to like it but for some reason i cant.<p>Ohh the interior is the best, very well done and looks nice, maybe too much black plastic but it doesnt really bother me.<p>This is what i mean when i say it looks like a sad dog.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/commander/images/J2006_008.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Ohh i like this, the roof with the sky view ala Nissan Quest, nice touch!<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/commander/images/J2006_010.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The front is very boxy, squared and flat.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/commander/images/zJ2006_004.jpg" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-23-2005, 01:33 PM
Not I. I'm only saying that I expected a little more from Chrysler, considering the chances they've taken with styling lately. Not a bad way to enter into a new segment though, going with a shape people will immediately recognize.

AM2
03-23-2005, 01:43 PM
I read somewhere that this was inspired by various classic Jeeps from the 40's to the 60's to the 80's cherokee...<br>But the most prominent styling influence is that of the 80's Cherokee.<br>I'm not sure if the cluttered retro 80's look works, but Chrysler could have done better.

CalinG7
03-23-2005, 01:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure if the cluttered retro 80's look works, but Chrysler could have done better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I think cluttered is the best description here. There are lines, stripes, gashes, and bulges all over the place. And that face, as someone else pointed out, is very sad and puppy-dog like. Makes me want to say, "Here boy, here boy." Not the reaction I would want from my $40,000 vehicle, or any vehicle, actually.

bolita
03-23-2005, 02:01 PM
Im sure that the 3.7 V6 will start just under 30K....<p>40K will probably be the 5.7 loaded...

AM2
03-23-2005, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im sure that the 3.7 V6 will start just under 30K....<p>40K will probably be the 5.7 loaded...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't the Commander positioned above the Grand Cherokee?

Charger
03-23-2005, 02:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't the Commander positioned above the Grand Cherokee?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes

bolita
03-23-2005, 02:13 PM
Yeah, and the 4x2 Laredo 3.7 starts at right under 27 (Grand Cherokee Laredo<br>Starting at $26,950 MSRP*).... So I still believe that it will begin under 30....

Uberwagon
03-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Yes but they are already deep discounting the new Cherokee. Friends in marketing at Jeep say the styling is putting buyers off. They are very worried about the Commander now.

Player4
03-23-2005, 02:47 PM
Here are some more pics...<p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032239067_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032239067_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238997_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238997_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032239015_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032239015_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238978_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238978_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238910_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238910_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238856_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238856_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238873_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238873_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238791_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238791_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238809_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238809_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238479_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238479_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238424_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238424_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238364_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238364_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238382_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238382_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238347_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032238347_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032347764_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032347764_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032347725_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032347725_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032347689_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032347689_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.AutoDeadLine.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.AutoDeadLine.com</A>

Uberwagon
03-23-2005, 03:27 PM
I agree. I can't believe they let this go out. It is really not a very attractive vehicle at all. Did no one stop and ask "is this the right thing?" I wonder what they were thinking...

Krypton
03-23-2005, 03:48 PM
the whole thing looks too busy. Its not so much ugly as weird. The interior does look nice though. Are those 2 vents for each passenger

LoneWolf
03-23-2005, 03:49 PM
As a Jeep fan, I'm horrified. It's OK, stylistically, but DOES NOT mesh with current Jeep design philosophy. IMO, it looks too Range Rover-ish (not a compliment in my book). If DCX wanted to resurrect the old Cherokee, they should have done it with the Liberty or its replacement. I just can't see buyers looking at the Expedition, Trailblazer/Envoy XL, Suburban, etc. going for this.

Charger
03-23-2005, 03:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the whole thing looks too busy. Its not so much ugly as weird. The interior does look nice though. Are those 2 vents for each passenger</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Do you mean the moon roofs?

Krypton
03-23-2005, 03:51 PM
no AC/Heating vents, it seems like each passenger gets two of them, like in the bonneville. It seems a bit excessive

Player4
03-23-2005, 04:09 PM
Just got an email from Jeep, with a picture of the Commander:<p><IMG SRC="http://custom.listrak.com/1299/032305/j_comm_h2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Diff wheels and diff color maybe it looks a bit better.

Uberwagon
03-23-2005, 04:28 PM
Last thought on this: The 80's just weren't far enough back to bring something so deliberately retro to the market today.<p>Shoulda tried another decade!

Superfresa
03-23-2005, 05:22 PM
The more I look at this car the more I like it.<p>I like its boxyness, It's tough appeal, Its precense, Dunno I like most things about it.<p>However:<p>- The two ...ermmm.... sunroofs? over the second row of seats look stupid.<br>- The brown chairs are nice, but don't contrast with the rest of the interiour. It should all be brown, otherwise it looks terrible.<br>

CarMattZu777
03-23-2005, 06:45 PM
I do like the sunroofs, and i think they had a good original concept that just went a little to far retro.

DoMiNo
03-23-2005, 06:57 PM
Admittedly better than I expected from those older pics floating around. I still think it just looks plain awkward, though. I'll have to wait 'til I see one in person. <p>And someone pointed out those exposed bolts on the dash... now they bug the HECK out of me!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

ToronadoGT
03-23-2005, 06:57 PM
My opinions are varied on this Jeep. In some ways I like it, in a few others, I hate it. I guess my biggest complaint is the front, brings the whole design down. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

wilsoch
03-23-2005, 08:44 PM
Wow. I really dislike this. It looks like the lovechild of an 80s Cherokee and a Series II Discovery. It even has the stepped roof! I somehow don't think this will meet sales targets, especially now that higher gas prices seem to be softening the demand for big SUVs.

JagZ
03-23-2005, 08:48 PM
With 20 degree breakover angles, not very good ground clearance, tiny third row and optional 4wd I am not sure how good the arguement is for off-road capability but I guess it is a good alternative to a Tahoe or Expedition. Using Land Rovers trademark stepped roof certainly doesn't give this vehicle any orginality.<br>Jeep Cherokee base starts at $24K. If the base 210 hp V6 started between $25K-$28K and the Hemi V8 at $35K then maybe but if this full size Jeep starts at $45K for the V8 then forget it. There are way too many much more capable and more refined rugged 4x4's on the market for $45K.<p>I would imagine Jeep is aiming for Hummer H2 with this vehicle but I have no idea why. H2 isn't that great off-road or on.<p>

Bluesman
03-23-2005, 08:49 PM
The only good things about it are the Hemi, the towing capacity and the third row.<p>The rest? Yikes!!!

JagZ
03-23-2005, 08:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only good things about it are the Hemi, the towing capacity and the third row.<p>The rest? Yikes!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yah, but 6,500 lbs towing with the V6 and 7,200 lbs towing with the Hemi still isn't that impressive.<p>

Bluesman
03-24-2005, 06:19 AM
Find me another SUV of this size that will pull 7,200 lbs.......... Keep in mind it still has the wheel base of the GC.

AM2
03-24-2005, 07:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Find me another SUV of this size that will pull 7,200 lbs.......... Keep in mind it still has the wheel base of the GC.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not exactly 7,200... <br>VW Touareg 4.2 V8 -Towing capacity: 7,716 lbs<br>Land Rover LR3 4.4 V8 - Towing capacity: 7,700 lbs<br>Lincoln Aviator AWD - Towing capacity: 7,100 lbs<br> <p>

creon448
03-24-2005, 07:13 AM
The Commander is not a full size SUV.

5.9LITRE
03-24-2005, 07:38 AM
i think it's hideous. it looks like a korean/chinese suv and although the interior is nice, the black plastic dash and exposed hex bolts are horrible. at least the regular radio looks better than in the WK which is surrounded by 4 inches of cheap plastic.<p>i've had the XK pics for quite a while and it was killing me not being able to post them! i was surprised when i first got the WK SRT-8 pics but they bungled the front end on that as well. <p>here's a pic of the XK that looks a little better (the side profile is the XK's best angle)...<br><IMG SRC="http://filebox.vt.edu/users/sfitchet/pics/jeep/commander_chopped_02.jpg" BORDER="0">

AM2
03-24-2005, 09:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5.9LITRE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think it's hideous. it looks like a korean/chinese suv and although the interior is nice, the black plastic dash and exposed hex bolts are horrible. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Modern Korean SUVs actually look good.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/media/2001/genevaautoshow/02.hyundai.terracan.f3-4.350.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.verdictoncars.com/cars/250/ssangyong/rexton.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Main problem with the Commander is the proportion... and a big part of it are the small wheels in relation to its height/tall greenhouse and its long rear overhang. <br>Bigger/wider 17in wheels I guess would solve part of the problem.<p>The LandRover LR3 for example has a more athletic stance.

Comrade
03-24-2005, 10:13 AM
Is this based on the Durango? <br>The front window is really long compared to the front end and the other 2 windows on the side which is the same on the Durango. But you can't really see a oversized "front" window because the the Durango's A-pillar is very rounded and it has a bigger front overhang than the Commander.

CalinG7
03-24-2005, 11:52 AM
No, it's based on the same platform as the Grand Cherokee and shares nothing really with the Durango. They are saying, though, that the GC/Commander platform is shared with the Mercedes M-class and upcoming G-class, but I can't confirm that.

JBlair
03-24-2005, 11:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5.9LITRE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think it's hideous. it looks like a korean/chinese suv and although the interior is nice, the black plastic dash and exposed hex bolts are horrible. at least the regular radio looks better than in the WK which is surrounded by 4 inches of cheap plastic.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The hex bolts are intentional to make it look more rugged. (Its a style and if its done right, as in this situation, it looks good)<p>Also, they need to avoid showing pictures of this in black, because it hides all of the detailing and makes it look worse than it actually does.

GerjurdKing
03-24-2005, 12:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Also, they need to avoid showing pictures of this in black, because it hides all of the detailing and makes it look worse than it actually does.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. Like I said earlier, Id like to see this with a monochrome grille.

nismospeed
03-24-2005, 12:53 PM
It looked more rugged with the camo on. Maybe they should offer it as an option package. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
03-24-2005, 03:34 PM
I just wonder if Jeep realizes how many negative comments there are on this one.....

sc43018
03-24-2005, 04:38 PM
For a jeep its good..... but not even in the same ballpark as the LR3

deltaz
03-24-2005, 04:39 PM
I just can't believe it? After teasing us with a really great looking concept...this?<br>I just don't get it...what were they thinking? I mean really? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

JagZ
03-24-2005, 04:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just wonder if Jeep realizes how many negative comments there are on this one.....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It will depend on pricing. Maybe the pricing will be similar to the Cherokee. Hopefully it will won't go over $40K with the Hemi V8.<p>

Charger
03-24-2005, 06:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>deltaz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just can't believe it? After teasing us with a really great looking concept...this?<br>I just don't get it...what were they thinking? I mean really? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The concept has nothing to do with the new Commander. The Commander concept previewed the new Grand Cherokee, you can obviously tell by the shape of the new GC and the Commander concept.

explorerJO
03-25-2005, 10:05 AM
I'm waiting for Jeep execs to jump out and scream "JUST KIDDING!"<p>I'm trying so hard to like this but it's SO SO bad. I've learned to love the GC, but I can't understand anyone liking this.

M0L0TOV
03-26-2005, 12:16 AM
Maybe it's an early April Fool's joke? A bad one at that though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"><p>M0L0TOV

deltaz
03-26-2005, 03:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The concept has nothing to do with the new Commander. The Commander concept previewed the new Grand Cherokee, you can obviously tell by the shape of the new GC and the Commander concept.</TD></TR></TABLE> - <p>charger I didn't realize that. It's still very unoriginal considering that this is drawn from a 20 year old design that was discontinued. What's worse is that it doesn't look any better now. "Like the saying goes if it looks like a duck....."

spwolf
03-26-2005, 07:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Modern Korean SUVs actually look good.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/media/2001/genevaautoshow/02.hyundai.terracan.f3-4.350.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.verdictoncars.com/cars/250/ssangyong/rexton.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Main problem with the Commander is the proportion... and a big part of it are the small wheels in relation to its height/tall greenhouse and its long rear overhang. <br>Bigger/wider 17in wheels I guess would solve part of the problem.<p>The LandRover LR3 for example has a more athletic stance.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hyundai Terracan looks awful, trust me... This jeep does not look better... <p>When I remember older Jeeps, they used to look pretty darn impressive. Grand Cherokee looked massive and good 5 yrs ago. New versions look childish and cartoonish. DC is definetly not going the right way with Jeep external styling in my own personal opinion.<p>I used to drive GC and it looked pretty nice, even impressive. I wouldnt want to be see in new version tho...

jijboi25
03-26-2005, 09:11 AM
New Commander pics in Black! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4669/img41465ty.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4669/img41465ty.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1968/img41432so.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1968/img41432so.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4586/cjg71636pc.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4586/cjg71636pc.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img118.exs.cx/img118/7522/cjg71593mv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img118.exs.cx/img118/7522/cjg71593mv.jpg</A><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:55 AM 3/28/2005</i>

syclone
03-26-2005, 08:08 PM
my quick fix recipe for this: lose about a foot off of the rear, go down to five seats, raise it about an inch, get rid of the leather and wood, call it a cherokee and sell starting at $25,000.

against the wall
03-26-2005, 08:24 PM
put this car next to nitro. i cant believe how similar they look all around. especially the back

boston
03-27-2005, 03:43 AM
XUV rear end buttresses, <br>Forester style high windows vertically out of proportion <br>Looks prone to rollover <br>A good coffin carrier for a funeral service.

ricerammer
03-27-2005, 07:12 PM
I'd rock it.

Dodger
03-27-2005, 09:41 PM
<A HREF="http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4023107&s=NewYork2005&src=minishow" TARGET="_blank">http://autos.msn.com/as/minish...ishow</A> <p>There are two pics of the Commander here on MSN Autos (with a few of the GC SRT-8 also)<p>It looks smaller than I thought-using the people in it as a scale. I would like it more w/out the rear grab handles.

AM2
03-27-2005, 09:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> It looks smaller than I thought-using the people in it as a scale.</TD></TR></TABLE><br><IMG SRC="http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c454196a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Well, it is built on the same 109in wheelbase platform of the Grand Cherokee. Now it has that short wheelbase, long rear overhang look.

mzoltarp
03-28-2005, 05:57 AM
The Commander is an indication that Jeep gets that it lost something when it got rid of the Cherokee. The original Grand Cherokee was intended to replace the Cherokee but the latter was selling too well to kill it outright and it went on to have strong sales. The Liberty is somewhat of a miss. The styling was such an abrupt break from the Cherokee that many Jeep diehards just couldn't go there. Funny how the Libby is called a Cherokee elsewhere. The Commander so evokes the old Cherokee that the link is obvious even if the execution is dubious. Would not surprise me if it sells like crazy. This if definitely a gamble for DCX.

Dodger
03-28-2005, 06:57 AM
Do we know if this is supposed to be a high or low volume product? <p>I agree with you mzoltarp that it wouldn't surprise me either if it did sell well. I can see people buying this based on the fact that it looks like nothing else out there- besides prior Jeep models that is.

bolita
03-28-2005, 07:14 AM
The issue is that the Commander is positioned on top of the Grand Cherokee so even if Die Hard Jeepers want it it is priced over where they would want it.<p>At its pricing position, I truly feel that consumers want more style...<p>We will soon find out anyway<br>

Monkey
03-28-2005, 06:46 PM
I saw this in person and was very surprised at the size. From the pics it looks huge. In person, it looks slightly larger than the old Cherokee. Overall, I liked it much better in person.

GerjurdKing
03-28-2005, 06:50 PM
Interesting. I certainly was surprised by the size (judging by the pics). Maybe this is a must see to appreciate vehicle. Much like the new GC...

creon448
03-28-2005, 07:22 PM
Although the Commander is two inches longer than than the GC, it is still shorter than the Explorer.

Velocitas
03-29-2005, 11:15 PM
<br>For my personal tastes, I could come up with quite a few criticisms of how they styled this. BUT...I know their market. They've lost former GC buyers who wanted something bigger. Lots of you have pointed out the similarities to the former Cherokee, which is right on. There's also a lot of similarities to the old Wagoneer, and to the Mercedes G-Wagen. In the big luxury SUV market, square sells. This thing is about as square as you can get. I'm predicting that it's a big hit for Jeep.<br>

Gromit
03-30-2005, 04:54 AM
A "must see to appreciate vehicle"?<p>Hmmm, maybe.<p>From here it just looks fugly...

creon448
03-30-2005, 07:58 AM
If you haven't seen the Commander in person then you really can't say that it is indeed ugly. I went to the New York auto show yesterday and saw the Commander first hand. The Commander not as large as pictures as this press pictures would suggest. Moreover, the squared off look maximizes interior space as well as delivering a rugged exterior that is fitting with the Jeep image.

Toxic
04-01-2005, 06:27 PM
Its to boxy for my taste.

Hornbag
04-01-2005, 07:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gromit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A "must see to appreciate vehicle"?<p>Hmmm, maybe.<p>From here it just looks fugly...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But a lot of cars do look better in person. Example Pug 407 looks great in person IMO, same with the BMW 5 series...i think they look a bit FUGLY on paper...

knicks125
06-23-2005, 10:19 AM
They are doing a shoot in NYC (Manhattan) right now. I tried to get in the shot <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
06-23-2005, 02:48 PM
If anyone has seen the new Missy video(lose control) theres a scene where they're dancing by a black Commander with a like 22in rims on it... good marketing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
06-23-2005, 03:07 PM
you know, the more i look at it, the more i like it. maybe i have a soft spot for DCX cars (we had a plymouth voyager from when i was about 3 until i was in the 5th grade when we got our sienna), but i can see this being a very good family car. although i don't like stadium seating, it seems to be pretty popular since everyone uses it, so that may help.

knicks125
06-23-2005, 05:37 PM
I and saw this car in person (up and close) today in times square of new york city. Purely on styling and my impression on the looks, it's pretty nice...waiting for test drives and other tests to complete my overall impression on this car.

FordRules
06-23-2005, 05:41 PM
alot smaller than i thought it was- nicest chrysler interior ever, awesome with 24 inch rims<br>-ill do a chop<br>

Dodger
06-23-2005, 08:28 PM
some good pics can be found here:<p><A HREF="http://www.xkjeeps.com/xk_pilot.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.xkjeeps.com/xk_pilot.htm</A><p>(I don't think these have been posted yet- sorry if they have)

MrMGMan
06-28-2005, 02:36 PM
I'm sure I've already seen the new Commander towards the end of Missy Elliot's new video - 'Lose Control' or somesuch, featuring Fatman Scoop and Ciara.

jijboi25
06-28-2005, 03:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If anyone has seen the new Missy video(lose control) theres a scene where they're dancing by a black Commander with a like 22in rims on it... good marketing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you dont wanna watch the whole thing (which you should imo) best shot is at 2:34<br><A HREF="http://www.musicremedy.com/audio/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowVideoPlayer&AudioId=3206&Quality=5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.musicremedy.com/aud...ity=5</A><p><br><A HREF="http://img14.echo.cx/my.php?image=10008782we.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img14.echo.cx/img14/742/10008782we.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by bluedevil1550 at 4:13 PM 6/30/2005</i>

Banker
07-05-2005, 12:46 PM
I like this more and more. I think Jeep has a hit on their hands.

GerjurdKing
07-06-2005, 05:37 PM
I agree. The more I see this the more I like it. I can't wait to see it on the streets. It's the same way with the Charger. Once you see the Charger in your rear view and then you see it blow past you, you want one...

Andre
07-06-2005, 10:02 PM
Oddly, I liked the Charger in photos, hated it in person.

Banker
07-07-2005, 10:32 AM
A neighbor has a black on black Charger R/T with blacked out windows... looks wicked good. I hope the Commander looks good on the road as well.<p>DCX is on a roll.

Santeno
07-07-2005, 11:58 AM
It is surprisingly not as big in person as it looks in pictures.

jlaidler
07-12-2005, 01:34 PM
I've seen it in person and its just about as ugly. It is perhaps salvagable with new headlights (the worst feature). Also, they kept the old Cherokee character line down the length of the vehicle, but unfortunately on this design it serves to make it look top heavy by lowering the beltline and emphasizing the greenhouse. So depends on how the light hits it whether it looks awkward or not.<p>Square is good on SUVs but this is a miss and will be a disappointment I bet. Like the new Cherokee. <p>Two misses in a row for Jeep. I have a Wrangler, lets not have any more screw ups, the next one of those is looking good so far, as long as they don't refine out the character. The crudeness is the charm, some will never understand I know.

against the wall
07-12-2005, 04:55 PM
too bad it didnt turn out like the rescue. that wouldve been awesome.

AM2
07-12-2005, 05:20 PM
I was hoping it would have styling like the Commander Concept...<br>I even made a chop last year.<br><A HREF="http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006jeepgrandwagoneercommander.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/7132/2006jeepgrandwagoneercommander.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>The new Jeep Commander isn't that bad, but its kind of dissapointing.

jjazz0092002
07-12-2005, 06:03 PM
I totally like this more than Hummer H2!

Dodger
07-12-2005, 07:06 PM
and H3

StevenZoz
07-16-2005, 09:06 PM
i sat in this car at the nyias. it felt very cramped in the 2nd and 3rd rows.. kind of like the front seats of a hummer h1. the interior was very high-end and comfortable. and the windows on the ceiling were pretty cool. they had those pull windows shades found on rear windows of high-end luxury sedans.

Hornbag
07-17-2005, 03:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><A HREF="http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006jeepgrandwagoneercommander.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/7132/2006jeepgrandwagoneercommander.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now that is HOTT!!! I like you concept of making it look more modern, yet while still retaining the origional Jeep bits. A true Jeep for the 21st century. So why didn't they made the Commander look like AM2's chop? Personally, the chop makes total sence. Jeep needs to more a <U><I>little</I></U> bit away from the 90's/80's design and interpret their designs to look more modern, while still keeping the rugardness of their current (old) design.<p>AM2, i would show Jeep that, its bloddy amazing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
08-20-2005, 06:34 AM
Here are the prices from <A HREF="http://www.allpar.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.allpar.com</A><p>Chrysler has released the pricing of the Commander:<p>* Jeep Commander 4x2 $27,985 (including $695 destination)<br>* Jeep Commander 4x4 $29,985 (including $695 destination)<br>* Jeep Commander Limited 4x2 $36,280 (including $695 destination)<br>* Jeep Commander Limited 4x4 $38,900 (including $695 destination)<p>Surprisingly, the base 2006 Commander starts only $935 higher then the base model of the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

StevenZoz
08-20-2005, 07:38 AM
wow pricing isn't as high as I thought. I was expecting 30k+

Dodger
08-20-2005, 09:58 AM
I was surprised too. They aren't that much off the GC prices

SELLER
08-20-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is surprisingly not as big in person as it looks in pictures.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, its not big AT ALL.. just saw one yesterday at the dealer.. its no more bigger than the Grand Cherokee (just more of a 'box').

LEXUS FAN!
08-20-2005, 12:10 PM
wow...the pricing isn't that bad...<p>i was expecting $36,000 for base<p>that price is overlapping into the Grand Cherokee too much i think

autoverhoeven
08-22-2005, 07:32 AM
I think this car misses out on Balls!! It is yet again a SUV to take the children to school.<br>The real "masculin" Jeep has died out I fear.<br>Like the Discovery series II.

Cozz
08-22-2005, 06:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>autoverhoeven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think this car misses out on Balls!! It is yet again a SUV to take the children to school.<br>The real "masculin" Jeep has died out I fear.<br>Like the Discovery series II. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You take children to school ten months of the year. The average person will never see off-road so wich market do you think is bigger? No need to make every model "masculin".