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Charger
03-19-2005, 08:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DETROIT  Chevrolet's family of SS models will grow by three members when the General Motors division unveils the TrailBlazer SS, Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS at the auto show in New York this week.<p>The new 2006 models join SSR, Silverado SS and Cobalt SS Supercharged along with the 2006 Impala SS and Monte Carlo SS, giving Chevrolet an unprecedented eight SS models to sell.<p>The TrailBlazer SS, a midsize sport-utility, features a Corvette-derived LS2 6.0-liter V8, rated at 391 horsepower and 395 pound-feet of torque. On sale this fall, the TrailBlazer SS is outfitted with a track-tuned suspension and can be ordered with all-wheel drive.<p>Also available this fall are the SS versions of the Malibu sedan and stretched Malibu Maxx. They are equipped with a 3.9-liter V6 engine rated at 240 hp with 241 lb-ft of torque.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks like the Malibu is getting a needed facelift<br> <IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/news/2005/0318/chevrolet.malibu.malibu.max.500.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: GM<p>Heres a 2004 to compare<br> <IMG SRC="http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__013827__.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>soure: GM

Naga Royal Guard
03-19-2005, 08:55 AM
the malibu is a good car, hopefully these models can generate some more attention for the malibu lineup

Charger
03-19-2005, 09:02 AM
So is this facelift only for the SS? or will it be every model? I hope its every model because that huge chrome bar looks terrible. And Chevy is slapping the SS on everything, wait....I just got HUGE news...Chevy will be making an Aveo SS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-19-2005, 09:17 AM
whynot? put the 500+hp LS7 in the Aveo, it would move quite well <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
03-19-2005, 09:21 AM
wow thats really funny about the 500 hp aveo. i can picture a 15k 500hp super-small hatch

Charger
03-19-2005, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whynot? put the 500+hp LS7 in the Aveo, it would move quite well <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Ha, ok Naga. We all know the car you're dreaming of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-19-2005, 09:32 AM
the Kia Rio is already a sports car too

knicks125
03-19-2005, 09:42 AM
yep that's a fact alright <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>i actually like the pre-facelifted version<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 11:54 AM 3/19/2005</i>

Redline
03-19-2005, 10:36 AM
Not too bad looking, but it could look better. Too bad there won't be an Aveo SS, but my local Chevy dealer did have an Aveo with a bodykit and some rims, so maybe the Aveo SS is already out and we just don't know it!

Kakairo
03-19-2005, 10:40 AM
Too bad they didn't change the headlights...they look lost without the big chrome bar.

Charger
03-19-2005, 11:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kakairo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Too bad they didn't change the headlights...they look lost without the big chrome bar.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I thought the same. They just dont fit the car anymore. At least they didnt give it the Impala lights, cuz then it would look like a mini Impala

megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 11:41 AM
And the SS tag dies a little more...

Dan J.
03-19-2005, 12:20 PM
The front of the Malibu SS definantly looks better than the original design. They are over using the SS badge in my opinion. Should have used RS instead. Hope they changed up the interior some.

Nick
03-19-2005, 02:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And the SS tag dies a little more...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>so sad...yet so true...and they use those same damn wheels on every ss car...I have a feeling they may have updated the interior a little bit, but I guess we'll find out....it looks better than the current malibu, and with the power jump it should perform and compete quite well...if it is anything like the cobalt SS then it should be a hit...but I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

SV
03-19-2005, 03:38 PM
i agree with naga, this is a good car that needs some more attention, although i think the SS needs more than 240 horsepower.

Dodger
03-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Please tell me that they freshened the back too. That new front wouldn't go that well with the current butt. Even if they didn't, the front was the major problem. Not a fan of that blue color though

ToronadoGT
03-19-2005, 05:44 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Good job, GM. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> I smell death on you.<p>I'm becoming very dissapointed with GM. This Mall-ibu refresh makes me think of a frikin' Corsica! The grille doesn't line up well with the headlights, it looks like an afterthought. GM is acting like it has shallow pockets when actually they're deep enough to drown in. No wonder the auto press sticks their thumbs way down at American companies; I finally get it. U.S. automakers churn out one great product one month and take several steps forward, then produce half-hearted atempts like the new Malibu facelift, sending themselves a few steps way back. Only DCX is making great American cars. But, then again, they're half German, so, they're not 100% American like GM is.<p>I can only hope GM can get their heads out of the sand before the tidal wave of red ink comes in. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Roadster44
03-19-2005, 05:52 PM
I think these are quick fixes for now to get cars more popular with customers. I think come 2008 we'll see some real SS products.

Hornbag
03-19-2005, 06:13 PM
It looks like a bad 04 Ford Focus!

megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 07:14 PM
The chance of a real SS product is small unless the suddenly figure out what RWD and a small block V8 are again. Until that happens, SS means jack.

RS
03-19-2005, 11:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RepoMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Should have used RS instead.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>No, thanks. <p>How about Z64763907 or some random number after a Z?

Hornbag
03-19-2005, 11:36 PM
This thing is horrid. The headlights and grille do nothing togther, they look so out of place.

mzoltarp
03-20-2005, 05:48 AM
OMG! The Malibu is still ungainly but instead of being a 10 on the ugly meter, it's now a 4. Amazing what a slightly different schnoz will do! Maybe GM will reskin the entire car in a year or so.

Charger
03-20-2005, 07:50 AM
<A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/2616/malibuss16og.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/7256/malibuss21dq.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/5395/malibuss32zr.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/4042/malibuss40bf.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/8907/malibuss55bi.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/6114/malibuss65th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img182.exs.cx/img182/2333/malibuss72ek.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br>source: GM<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CHEVY MALIBU SS AND MALIBU MAXX SS: INCREASED PERFORMANCE AND VALUE IN MIDSIZE SEDANS <br>Strong SS heritage of affordable performance, luxury and value <br>3900 V-6 with VVT delivers 240 hp (179 kw) and 241 lb-ft (326 Nm) <br>Segment-leading 18-inch wheels and tires <br>SS-specific exterior and interior appointments <br>Production begins fall 2005 <br>NEW YORK  Chevrolet announced production plans for the 2006 Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS, vehicles that deliver a strong combination of performance and value in the midsize segment. Product highlights include the 240-horsepower 3900 V-6 with VVT (variable valve timing), segment-largest 18-inch flangeless wheels, and sport-tuned suspension, as well SS-specific exterior and interior appointments. <p>The Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS were introduced at the New York Auto Show, along with the production version of the TrailBlazer SS. The three new vehicles join the SSR, Silverado SS, Impala SS, Monte Carlo SS and Cobalt SS Supercharged, bringing Chevys heritage-rich lineup of exciting, attainable performance vehicles to eight. <p>Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS bring real performance to a broad audience, said Brent Dewar, General Motors North America vice president of marketing and advertising. The SS name has always represented performance for mainstream customers, and these new products deliver it with uncompromising sedan versatility and value  in other words, it is guilt-free fun. <p>Both vehicles build on the strengths of the solid Malibu sedan and Malibu Maxx extended sedan platforms, which are based on a rigid, European-designed structure that serves as the foundation for responsive and smooth suspensions, as well as exceptional quietness. The Malibu Maxx features a 6-inch-longer wheelbase yet is slightly shorter overall than the Malibu sedan, creating a unique package of expanded rear-seat room and cargo versatility. <p>The SS models retain the sedans virtues and include the following enhancements: <p>New 3900 V-6 with VVT delivers 240 hp and 241 lb.-ft. of torque <br>Hydra-Matic 4T65-E four-speed transmission with manual shift mode and adaptive shift control <br>SS-specific front and rear fascias, with blacked-out cross-hatch grille pattern, larger grille openings, projector beam fog lamps, rear spoiler and dual chrome-tipped 3.5-inch exhaust outlets <br>Monochromatic exterior moldings and trim <br>Segment-largest 18-inch flangeless wheels <br>Sport-tuned suspension <br>SS-specific ebony interior with gun metal trim accents <br>New sport seats with larger bolsters, new three-spoke leather-wrapped sport steering wheel and leather-covered shifter knob <br>Drivetrain & suspension <p>Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS are powered by the new 3900 V-6. It is a production variant of GM Powertrains new 60-degree V-6 OHV engine family, which is designed to deliver smoothness and quality while balancing strong performance and economy. It is rated at 240 horsepower (179 kw) and 241 lb.-ft. of torque (326 Nm). <p>The large displacement of the 3900 V-6  achieved with 99-mm offset bores and an 84-mm stroke  combines with torque-enhancing technologies such as active air intake to produce a broad, flat torque curve that translates into exceptional all-around performance and terrific off-the-line launch feel. With active air intake, air entering the engine is continuously tuned through a valve in the intake manifold to deliver optimized low-, mid-range and high-rpm torque. In fact, 90 percent of peak torque is available from 1800 to 5800 rpm. <p>Variable valve timing is used to bolster performance, enhance economy and reduce emissions. An electronically controlled cam phaser provides for infinitely variable adjustment of camshaft timing in relation to the crankshaft. By electronically controlling the camshaft, the optimum location can be selected for various engine operating conditions, maximizing torque and horsepower outputs. The 3.9L V-6 is the first production cam-in-block engine to incorporate cam phasing. GMs new, more powerful E67 engine control module directs the valves opening and closing sequence. <p>Power from the 3900 V-6 is channeled to the front wheels through the Hydra-Matic 4T65-E electronically controlled four-speed automatic transmission. Tested and challenged each season in championship-winning NHRA drag racing vehicles, the 4T65-E is designed for high torque loads and consistent performance and durability. It also features a manual shift mode and an aggressive 3.69 final drive ratio that enhances the performance driving characteristics of the Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS. Adaptive shift control is used to optimize shift patterns during varying driving conditions. <p>Firmer, more responsive suspension systems complement the powerful 3.9L V-6 drivetrain by elevating the drivers feeling of control and feedback. New springs in the front and rear are stiffer and work with specially valved struts and shocks to increase damping and response. The diameter of the front and rear stabilizer bars has been increased, too, to help reduce body lean while cornering. Also, a variable-ratio, hydraulically-assisted rack-and-pinion steering system provides precise steering feel to create an on rails driving experience. <p>Transferring all the suspension enhancements to the tarmac is a set of 18-inch flangeless aluminum wheels and two available tire choices: an all-season 225/50R18 tire and a summer only performance 225/50R18 tire. Momentum is brought to a halt with an enhanced and larger four-wheel disc brake system with standard ABS. The system includes 11.65-inch (296 mm) vented front discs and solid 10.63-inch (270 mm) rear discs. A performance-calibrated traction control system also is standard and is governed by the transmission control module. <p>Styling & interior appointments <p>Every vehicle wearing the SS badge conforms to a special dress code that sets it apart from the crowd. For the Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS, the upscale and sporty image is conveyed through all-new front and rear fascias, monochromatic body side moldings and exterior trim, rear spoilers  unique between the Malibu and Malibu Maxx  and 18-inch flangeless wheels. <p>The new front fascias incorporate larger center and lower grille openings, as well as a black cross-hatch grille pattern with gold center Chevy Bowtie emblem, projector beam fog lamps, and a prominent chin spoiler. The rear fascias provide a tauter overall look to the vehicles, accenting their performance stance, as well as incorporating cut-outs for the dual chrome-tipped 3.5-inch exhaust outlets. <p>Four exterior colors are offered: White, Black, Laser Blue Metallic and Silverstone Metallic. <p>Inside, the vehicles feature SS-specific treatment that emphasizes the performance and luxury touches that are woven into all SS models  a heritage of sportiness and comfort that dates back to the first production SS model, the 1961 Impala Super Sport. The Malibu SS and Malibu Maxxs features include: <p>All-ebony design theme, including the rear shelf of the Malibu and cargo area of the Malibu Maxx <br>New sport front seats with enhanced, leather-covered bolsters, contrasting stitching, sport cloth inserts and simulated leather headrests <br>Three-spoke leather-wrapped sport steering wheel with prominent SS badge <br>Leather-covered shift knob with contrasting stitching <br>The Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS receive a unique instrument cluster with sport graphics, chrome-ringed gauges, red pointers and the SS logo. The instrument panel also has a redesigned PRNDM display, with the M designating the vehicles manual shift mode. <p>Comfort and convenience options on both models includes a sunroof, six-disc CD changer, OnStar and XM Satellite Radio. Visit onstar.com and gm.xm.radio.com for more information about OnStar and XM Radio. <p>Production of the Malibu SS and Malibu Maxx SS will take place at GMs Fairfax Assembly Plant near Kansas City , Kansas , with production scheduled to begin in the third quarter of 2005.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Evil Lair
03-20-2005, 09:35 AM
Certainly a step in the right direction, but still has the same GM design mantra. It looks like something time warped from the 80's with a thin veneer of 90's design. And what's up with the special little place at the top of the dash just for the name of the car? Is it so when you rent it you'll remember the name?

Redline
03-20-2005, 09:39 AM
Well, it looks alot better than the typical one, and alot better with bigger pictures. Shouldn't be to badly priced and will provide a lot of flash for the money.

jro4566
03-20-2005, 10:24 AM
The new design is definitely an improvement, but the power is nothing special in this class. The MS6 and SE-R will beat this thing to death...

anonms
03-20-2005, 10:56 AM
Oh my GOD that's UGLY!<p>The headlamps really don't match the grille. It just looks HORRIBLE!<p>And where's the horizontal bar?

megadethmartyr
03-20-2005, 11:48 AM
Sad they have to make a special model jsut compete with everyone else standard car. I think when I say special I think I mean Corky from Life Goes On special, not unique special.

JBlair
03-20-2005, 11:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sad they have to make a special model jsut compete with everyone else standard car. I think when I say special I think I mean Corky from Life Goes On special, not unique special.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Could you give a good reason as to why? Especially since you seem to be fond of bashing Chevys lately.

AM2
03-20-2005, 11:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh my GOD that's UGLY!<br>And where's the horizontal bar?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It looks like new Chevrolet cars won't have the chrome bar anymore.<br>The first models to drop the chrome bar are 2006 Impalas and Monte Carlos. <br>I guess now its the Malibu's turn and soon the other cars(Aveo, Cobalt etc) will follow...

megadethmartyr
03-20-2005, 03:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Could you give a good reason as to why? Especially since you seem to be fond of bashing Chevys lately.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It's means they are so far behind the ball from the get go. Everyone else gets it right off the bat and GM catches up by destroying names and trims of legend with the stuff they put out. Yes, I have been bashing GM lately, and if you are a car lover and appreciate what these nameplates USED to mean, the things running around today with the names of old on them, it should piss any car lover off. It really makes me mad seeing them destroy the GTO, the Monte Carlo, Imapala, Malibu, Nova, etc. By all means prove me wrong.

Soul Man
03-20-2005, 05:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It's means they are so far behind the ball from the get go. Everyone else gets it right off the bat and GM catches up by destroying names and trims of legend with the stuff they put out. Yes, I have been bashing GM lately, and if you are a car lover and appreciate what these nameplates USED to mean, the things running around today with the names of old on them, it should piss any car lover off. It really makes me mad seeing them destroy the GTO, the Monte Carlo, Imapala, Malibu, Nova, etc. By all means prove me wrong. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>well i can prove one of those wrong. the gto. how has that destroyed the gto nameplate. See thats what i dont get all of these people complaining about the new gto the style and all. well to me i fidn the new gto to be totally retro. instead of beign the shananigan it ended up being last time (although the judge still is quite cool <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> as one of those more gaudy models goes) the new gto takes its stuff almost right off the books of the original 64 gto. alright theres soemdifferences if we had the whole monaro/commodore line itd make more sense, but its close enough, gm has managed to shove a fast motor into a more or less mundane chassis, with styling that looks like the grand prix, a completely normal boring looking car. now remember the 64 take a 64 tempest lemans (quite unexciting) and shove a nice 6.4 liter v8 in it and voila a tempest lemans to everyone else, but to the driver and to those in the know how a gto, so tell me how is this new gto a shame to the original?

Dodger
03-20-2005, 05:44 PM
The Malibu wants to be a good car so bad, but it just falls short. If this thing wants to compete with mainstream competitors, it needs some updates. To start off, give it a five speed auto tranny and an engine that is not derived from something that has been around since the dino age.

Top Secret
03-20-2005, 06:10 PM
It seems only Holden knows what the SS stands for...sad.

Charger
03-20-2005, 06:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems only Holden knows what the SS stands for...sad.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Exactly, V8 power. Ive always wanted a Commodore SS

megadethmartyr
03-20-2005, 07:28 PM
The GTO looks like a Sunfire ran into a Cavalier, then took a huge hit of acid. Not only that, but they couldn't even figure out how to do anything other than take a Holden and slap a Pontiac badge on it. Some consideration might have been nice. The last true SS was the great mid 90's Impala. Unfortunately GM has no idea how to build something like that anymore.

ToronadoGT
03-20-2005, 07:43 PM
Yo, RepoMan, should have been called an LTZ. Just makes more sense.<p>If GM put more money into this refresh and made it a near overhaul, and made the SS have at least AWD and a Supercharged 3900 V6, it would be somewhat worthy of the SS badge. You know I will GM half credit on the Impala SS; at least it's decently styled and has a V-8. But, still, that's no excuse for this crap.<p>I cannot reply anymore to this thread. Seeing this car makes me wanna... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-20-2005, 10:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GTO looks like a Sunfire ran into a Cavalier, then took a huge hit of acid. Not only that, but they couldn't even figure out how to do anything other than take a Holden and slap a Pontiac badge on it. Some consideration might have been nice. The last true SS was the great mid 90's Impala. Unfortunately GM has no idea how to build something like that anymore.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is for another thread, but costs and time had a lot to do with how the GTO ended up looking. (a distinct lack of both were the reasons why it looks as it does).

knicks125
03-21-2005, 07:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GTO looks like a Sunfire ran into a Cavalier, then took a huge hit of acid. Not only that, but they couldn't even figure out how to do anything other than take a Holden and slap a Pontiac badge on it. Some consideration might have been nice. The last true SS was the great mid 90's Impala. Unfortunately GM has no idea how to build something like that anymore.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Funny and true <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
03-22-2005, 06:48 AM
megadethmartyr is correct in his musings about the GTO. In terms of performance it is a great car. The problem is that sales are absolutely dead; huge discounts can be had at the dealers. This situation is conveying to the public that intangibly the GTO does not have that special something it needs to claim the throne. That is probably the case because in resurrecting a legend, they did not have any heritage in the design to establish it as heir to the name. The original GTO was a plain jane Tempest, but it soon evolved into a more brutal looking muscle car. The Holden Monaro is a good looking car in the early 90's aero idiom and certainly not an example of what's wrong with GM. This is a case of it being a great car but they gave it the wrong name. It probably would have been a better fit as a Buick Riviera.

Pavilion
03-22-2005, 01:44 PM
I don't feel bad for GM, I feel bad for the American car buyer. What is with the recent Chevy cars (Cobalt aside)? The Monte, Impala, and now the Malibu SS! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> I understand "brand sameness" but all three look TOO similar. I can see the line at Chrysler dealerships getting longer.

megadethmartyr
03-22-2005, 03:12 PM
A cobalt ain't far from the Cavalier it replaces.

Nick
03-22-2005, 03:14 PM
you're kidding right? the cobalt is worlds ahead of the cavalier...

megadethmartyr
03-22-2005, 06:07 PM
It would take putting a pack of gum in the front seat of a Cobalt to make it better than a Cavalier. It's better than a Cavalier, but that isn't saying much. They'll just give em away like they did the Cavalier. A friend of mine bought one (I would have stopped him if I knew he was looking). I drove it, I laughed. It's not up to class standards from 4 years ago. Ah, but the Cavalier rattles and squeaks were ever present. Yes, it worlds ahead of the Cavalier, but galaxies behind the competition.

Nick
03-22-2005, 07:46 PM
it was chosen best pick for crash ratings and not to mention the cobalt SS is getting praised right and left in all the reviews...

megadethmartyr
03-22-2005, 08:00 PM
Well, I haven't read any reviews, but I'm willing to bet most of them say somewhere, "at least it isn't a Cavalier"

nismo
03-22-2005, 08:07 PM
Most of all the new Chevys cars are improvements but don't stack up to competition... isn't that a norm already? The Cobalt is way nicer than the Cavalier but put it next to a Mazda3, Corolla, and Civic and its a whole different story... interior quality isn't too good even the Focus has better plastics and the 140hp felt less powerful than the imports that have less horsepower... <p>I actually think that this Malibu is alright.. nothing to brag about but decent.

JBlair
03-22-2005, 10:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It would take putting a pack of gum in the front seat of a Cobalt to make it better than a Cavalier. It's better than a Cavalier, but that isn't saying much. They'll just give em away like they did the Cavalier. A friend of mine bought one (I would have stopped him if I knew he was looking). I drove it, I laughed. It's not up to class standards from 4 years ago. Ah, but the Cavalier rattles and squeaks were ever present. Yes, it worlds ahead of the Cavalier, but galaxies behind the competition.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now you're just being ignorant. Most of the reviews have rated the new Cobalt at the same level <I>or ahead of</I> all of its current competition. The reason is because the Cobalt is an extremely well-rounded vehicle that offers good design, quality and execution.

_PiCASSO_
03-23-2005, 05:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">interior quality isn't too good even the Focus has better plastics ... <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>What are you smoking??? Have you been inside the updated 2005 Ford Focus (C-170 platform)? The interior plastics reminds me of something that Rubbermaid would release for the automotive market. If I had to compare the interiors of the small cars out there, I would rate them as follows:<p>Mazda3 (what I drive) = 9/10<br>Chevrolet Cobalt = 8/10<br>Honda Civic = 7/10<br>Toyota Corolla = 7/10<br>Nissan Sentra = 6/10<br>Ford Focus = 5/10<br>Chevrolet Cavalier = 4/10<p>Essentially, the "new" Focus is nearly on par with the old 10-year old Cavalier. Touch the plastics on the I/P. The overhead console on the 'upgraded' model. It all feels like Ford VA/VE'd the car to death. I wouldn't be surprised if the plastics were grainless to save Ford $20/vehicle. The Focus is a cost cutting project that went wrong. <p>Nuf Said.

Jordmaniac
06-04-2005, 11:40 AM
whats next, a corvette ss? man, a z06 everything would be better than ss.

SV
06-04-2005, 04:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Now you're just being ignorant. Most of the reviews have rated the new Cobalt at the same level <I>or ahead of</I> all of its current competition. The reason is because the Cobalt is an extremely well-rounded vehicle that offers good design, quality and execution. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>actually consumer reports gave it a very lukewarm review, but yeah most other reviews have been very good. anyway, the SS engine in the malibu IMO should be the the standard V6 engine, 240hp would definitely make it even more of a match for the competition, and they should get a more powerful one for the SS.

Kam
06-05-2005, 03:18 AM
YAY. I now know what a Chevy Malibu looks like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> . Rear wheel drives are good for racing aren't they??? I love the grilles and fog-lights, very sporty. I don't like the interior because its too dark and dull but sporty though.