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Dodger
03-01-2005, 11:00 AM
Some pics from the lounge:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Hyundai" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...undai</A>#

Andre
03-01-2005, 11:15 AM
According to TCL It'll be called "Hyundai Azera" in the US<p>locking spy shots thread...<br>Spy Shots: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=12340" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...12340</A><p><br>In a distant way the rear reminds me of Maybach... in a distant way<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 10:20 AM 3/1/2005</i>

knicks125
03-01-2005, 11:16 AM
what a beautiful car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>exterior is well done <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>waiting for some interior pics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-01-2005, 11:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">According to TCL It'll be called "Hyundai Azera" in the US<p>locking spy shots thread...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I saw that too in car lounge, I know TG is its codename, but IMO it is better than Azera <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 1:28 PM 3/1/2005</i>

Santeno
03-01-2005, 11:24 AM
I really hope the word azera is not the name they choose to go with. Acera (with a c not a z, but pronounced almost the same way) is the spanish word for sidewalk. Not exactly something you wish to hear about your new road-car.

JBlair
03-01-2005, 12:21 PM
Its a bit dated looking, but its quite good. Front reeks of VW phaeton influence, and the rear has some maybach/bentley stuff going on. Just need to see the final interior and I'll pass judgement then.

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 12:28 PM
I agree that the front does look a bit dated, but keep in mind how quickly Hyundai has closed the gap...rather than be several designs behind brands like lexus, vw, etc....they are on their heals. The rear to me looks as current as anything out there. The spy pics of the interior we've seen seem to be as up to date as anything out there.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Patriotdefender</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree that the front does look a bit dated, but keep in mind how quickly Hyundai has closed the gap...rather than be several designs behind brands like lexus, vw, etc....they are on their heals. The rear to me looks as current as anything out there. The spy pics of the interior we've seen seem to be as up to date as anything out there. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well said...overall the exterior is well up to par with other competitors <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>interior shots anyone?

DoMiNo
03-01-2005, 12:49 PM
Quite a change in direction from the old XG... a lot more "youthful" but nonetheless quite a staid design. I think the rear lights turned out well (what the Accord <I>could</I> have been, anyone?) and the LEDs are an upscale touch. The rear comes together nice, almost like a Maybach, and I'm also glad they went with the horizontal grille.<p>Other than that, it looks a little dated, as some above have noted, though I'm certain it will impress, as a driver. And if they manage to keep the price down, it could be a viable alternative to a loaded Maxima/Avalon. <p>

piokor
03-01-2005, 12:50 PM
I'll be a monkey's uncle if the lights were not "inspired" by the Honda Accord before the last face lift...<p><br>Overall it's pretty nice but nothing spectacular. I would rather get an Avalon if I was looking for a car in this class.

Dodger
03-01-2005, 01:13 PM
The horizontal grille was a good bet. The whole thing looks good and I can see the influence of other cars as many of you have stated.<p>I'm not sure I would cross shop this with the Avalon. To me an Avalon is an Avalon. I would probably cross shop this with Buick. That's just me though (of course I would pick this over a Buick) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-01-2005, 01:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll be a monkey's uncle if the lights were not "inspired" by the Honda Accord before the last face lift...<p><br>Overall it's pretty nice but nothing spectacular. I would rather get an Avalon if I was looking for a car in this class.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well hello then Mr. Monkey's Uncle. This car was inspired by the new Sonata, not the Accord. Hyundai is trying to create a family look and patterened the TG's lights after the new Sonata's. Its almost impossible that the TG copied the Accord as well, considering that the TG's design should have already been frozen by the time the accord was introduced.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 01:22 PM
I like a lot of the new changes on the exterior, grille, exhuast, lights (front and back) LEDs, etc. (btw, where are pics of Hyundai's concept?)<p>I think this car would compete very well with the Avalon, both are better in design, power, execution, styling, looks, and more sportier. Both cars would attract a lot of attention and grow in customer base <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

CalinG7
03-01-2005, 01:23 PM
Like others have already said, I think the rear comes together very nicely, but not the front, it's very marshmellowy, a little formless. Very curious to see the interior.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 01:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well hello then Mr. Monkey's Uncle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LOL

r0b
03-01-2005, 01:32 PM
The car is very "USA" designed! Don't know how will react Europe!

Charger
03-01-2005, 01:41 PM
I dont like those backlights. I cant really tell if I like the front or not, the pics are too dark. Has anyone found any better pics?

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 01:44 PM
I really think a side profile of this car will be the tell tale factor on how the entire car comes across- also I would like to see the front of the car in a silver or white, something that would pronounce and define the lines better. Hopefully we'll see some updated pics.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 01:45 PM
how's this one? it's a link, click on it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/special/special1109688307.switzerland_car_show_ge127" TARGET="_blank">http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/...ge127</A><p>source: bobaedream<p>thanks to hunbin11 for finding it (first) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-01-2005, 01:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Patriotdefender</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really think a side profile of this car will be the tell tale factor on how the entire car comes across- also I would like to see the front of the car in a silver or white, something that would pronounce and define the lines better. Hopefully we'll see some updated pics. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>aren't there some already in the car lounge gallery (first post of the thread)?

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 01:47 PM
Can't upon, computer doesn't recognize the file extension

knicks125
03-01-2005, 01:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Patriotdefender</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can't upon, computer doesn't recognize the file extension</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really? i thought it was just a link to another page? I can host these pages if you'd like (direct pics) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 01:49 PM
I'm looking for a shot at some distance, the pics in the lounge focus on the rear or the extremem front side shot (headlight focal point). They are helpful though in getting a better idea

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 01:51 PM
That would be great if you don't mind. I'm really eager to see as much of this car as I can. Thanks

knicks125
03-01-2005, 01:57 PM
give me a few minutes and I will have them up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 01:58 PM
Great, thanks so much

Charger
03-01-2005, 02:00 PM
Heres another back end view<br> <IMG SRC="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050301/capt.ge12703011426.switzerland_car_show_ge127.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: hyundaiexchange

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 02:04 PM
I don't know why, but when I look at this picture of the rear end of the TG in this color, all I think of is Infinity- I don't have a specific model in mind, but it just seems to have that look to me for some reason...interesting

knicks125
03-01-2005, 02:09 PM
here we go:<p><A HREF="http://img207.exs.cx/gal.php?g=0024we.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img207.exs.cx/gal.php?g=0024we.jpg</A> - click on the link, it's a gallery<p>source: car lounge net

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 02:13 PM
they look great, thanks

megadethmartyr
03-01-2005, 02:25 PM
Told you guys it was a beautifully sculpted car. BTW, The orginal XG(300) was made to look like a bentley arnage (sp?). Bentley is an influence for the elegance in design you see here. Good catch whoever saw the bentley in the rear. You're right.

Ascariss
03-01-2005, 02:27 PM
Huh, looks like the VW Phaeton and US accord have been doing some loving. Need better pics than this, the show pics are horid.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 02:43 PM
mega, can you confirm if the name is going to be Azera or remain as the TG, or something else, in the US?<p>any interior pics<p>the exterior looks great...and i think the interior is going to look even better, can't wait to see the Navi (for some reason) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
03-01-2005, 02:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Huh, looks like the VW Phaeton and US accord have been doing some loving. Need better pics than this, the show pics are horid.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats exactly how it looks... It looks ok for the US market car, conservative and clean.

Charger
03-01-2005, 03:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Told you guys it was a beautifully sculpted car. BTW, The orginal XG(300) was made to look like a bentley arnage (sp?). Bentley is an influence for the elegance in design you see here. Good catch whoever saw the bentley in the rear. You're right. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Huh...this is not beautifully sculpted. It looks like a mix of a bunch of boring cars sold in the U.S. and looks nothing like a Bentley.

SV
03-01-2005, 03:39 PM
i think it looks good; the rear design is certainly interesting.

JBlair
03-01-2005, 05:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Huh...this is not beautifully sculpted. It looks like a mix of a bunch of boring cars sold in the U.S. and looks nothing like a Bentley. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Look at the rear, around the decklid and shoulder area. It definitely shares a striking resemblance to the conti gt.

Buster
03-01-2005, 05:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Huh...this is not beautifully sculpted. It looks like a mix of a bunch of boring cars sold in the U.S. and looks nothing like a Bentley. </TD></TR></TABLE> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> I agree. It's pleasant looking, but hardly beautiful. Hyundai seems to have copied some details from other makers and thrown them together in an average package. Of course, it is a massive improvement over the previous XG. I wish that they ditched the old rims. I am not a fan of the horizontal grille, either. I think it will be successful, though. It doesn't offend and should be priced right. That's not enough for me, but it probably is for 70,000 other people. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
03-01-2005, 05:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look at the rear, around the decklid and shoulder area. It definitely shares a striking resemblance to the conti gt.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>sorry, I dont see it at all

hunbin11
03-01-2005, 05:51 PM
Some more pictures....<br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-nnews1109720343.jpg" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-01-2005, 06:34 PM
i like it...better and better...<p>i really don't think the car can be judged fully without its interior, so let's have some interior shots...please <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
03-01-2005, 06:49 PM
I'm the opposite... I'm finding it less and less interesting every time I look at it, and as Ascariss so eloquently mentioned, I'm beginning to see the Phaeton influence in there along with the Accord. <p>And as for it being impossible for Hyundai to have copied the Accord rear lamps because the design was "already frozen"... I seriously doubt that. The current-generation Accord has been around for some time now.

JBlair
03-01-2005, 06:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm the opposite... I'm finding it less and less interesting every time I look at it, and as Ascariss so eloquently mentioned, I'm beginning to see the Phaeton influence in there along with the Accord. <p>And as for it being impossible for Hyundai to have copied the Accord rear lamps because the design was "already frozen"... I seriously doubt that. The current-generation Accord has been around for some time now.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Does this look a design that was finalized 2 years ago? I thought not. If you had read what I had posted you would have noticed that I said that this is meant to look like the new Sonata, not the accord.

Andre
03-01-2005, 06:54 PM
The design for the New Sonata, under which this design was modeled, was finalized after a <b>2001</b> consumer clinic. That was over a year before the first SPY SHOTS of the Accord came out. Since this is coming only a few months after the Sonata, that means its design was penned within a year as well.

Krypton
03-01-2005, 06:56 PM
some of the parts look really good but the more and more i look at it, looks more and more outdated. The interior should look good though

Andre
03-01-2005, 06:59 PM
Personally, I LOVE the Front, hate the back

knicks125
03-01-2005, 07:02 PM
the back has nothing to do with the Accord and doesn't look it at all like the Accord <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img26.exs.cx/img26/9134/large180ia.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Source: Honda America</B><p>we do way too much comparisons here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
03-01-2005, 07:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The design for the New Sonata, under which this design was modeled, was finalized after a <b>2001</b> consumer clinic. That was over a year before the first SPY SHOTS of the Accord came out. Since this is coming only a few months after the Sonata, that means its design was penned within a year as well.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>wow... You are saying that it took Hyundai 4 years from finalized design to production? Considering how finalized design is one of last parts of the process, it must have took them 6-7 yrs to actually build Sonata... That must enter Guiness's book of records for sure!<p>I dont know why is it so hard to accept that Hyundai took a long look at Accord - even they say Accord and A4 were their targets for design of Sonata...

DoMiNo
03-01-2005, 07:13 PM
This is what I was responding to, JBlair:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its almost impossible that the TG copied the Accord as well, considering that the TG's design should have already been frozen by the time the accord was introduced. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And since, given their respective debuts, the Accord was <I>clearly</I> designed before this, new Hyundai (be it the next XG, or whatever they'll name it), it is therefore possible (if not probable) that the current Accord's rear lamps could be a design influence. That's all I'm saying. I don't really know what you find so blasphemous about that.<p>spwolf knows what I'm talking about, Ascariss does too. So evidently I'm not crazy.

DoMiNo
03-01-2005, 07:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the back has nothing to do with the Accord and doesn't look it at all like the Accord <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img26.exs.cx/img26/9134/large180ia.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Source: Honda America</B><p>we do way too much comparisons here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This may be the refresh. The Accord's rear lamps looked originally like:<p><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2003/Honda/100144773/004994-E.jpg" BORDER="0"> (source: edmunds)<p>Everyone has a right to their own interpretations here, right? Since when did this become the Inquisition??

hunbin11
03-01-2005, 07:26 PM
DoMiNo, has any of your family members been fired by Hyundai/Kia? I read your comments here and there in forums of Hyundai/Kia models and cannot understand how a person can be so consistently negative on a target, Hyundai and Kia models in this case, like you.

Andre
03-01-2005, 07:34 PM
Hyundai released a statement shortly before the release of the Sonata saying that in a 2001 Consumer clinic they decided upon a design direction aiming at the Audi A6, never was there mention of an Accord for design inspiration. The first spy shots of the Sonata appeared in January 2003, about thre months after the Accord's unveiling.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 07:35 PM
even if hyundai is following the accord, camry, (which they are not), even if they are, so what, have you noticed a thing or two about those two cars? they might be bland and boring, but they are popular and selling a ton, isn't that what the objective for every auto maker is, well, except for those high-end models/brands <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>hyundai is breaking new record every month in sales (for a few years now), and with its committment and improvement in quality, safety, price, who cares how it looks, if you like it, then that's all it counts. I buy useful cars, I don't buy cars to show off to other people <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> Anyways, it's going to continue to take market share away from other compeitors, and that's what counts, bland and boring sell cars, that's right, weird but true <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-01-2005, 07:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hunbin11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DoMiNo, has any of your family members been fired by Hyundai/Kia? I read your comments here and there in forums of Hyundai/Kia models and cannot understand how a person can be so consistently negative on a target, Hyundai and Kia models in this case, like you. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>apparently so <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-01-2005, 07:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>This may be the refresh. The Accord's rear lamps looked originally like:<p>Everyone has a right to their own interpretations here, right? Since when did this become the Inquisition??</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeah but when you nit-pick everything, it become annoying <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-01-2005, 08:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is what I was responding to, JBlair:<p>And since, given their respective debuts, the Accord was <I>clearly</I> designed before this, new Hyundai (be it the next XG, or whatever they'll name it), it is therefore possible (if not probable) that the current Accord's rear lamps could be a design influence. That's all I'm saying. I don't really know what you find so blasphemous about that.<p>spwolf knows what I'm talking about, Ascariss does too. So evidently I'm not crazy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I never said that they didn't look similar, what I'm saying is that in no way, shape or form did the Accord influence the TG. It was designed to look like it is from the same family as the Sonata, and THAT is why the lights look like they do.

Charger
03-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Ok, back on topic. I dont care what it looks like. Just talk about the car

Patriotdefender
03-01-2005, 08:24 PM
OK, this is a silly little observation...but......why would they put that Hyundai sticker on the side of the car....at first in the initial pictures I thought it was a reflection off of the buffed paint....but now it looks like a sticker....what's up with that??? Still like the car, just questioning the sticker....silly on my part, I know.

Dodger
03-01-2005, 08:35 PM
Just so everyone knows it's a Hyundai I guess and not an Accord or anything- just kidding <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

toontoy
03-01-2005, 08:47 PM
I have to agree the tail lights look very similar. But overall the car is quite different and is a sweet looking ride. TWO THUMBS UP.

DoMiNo
03-01-2005, 08:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hunbin11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DoMiNo, has any of your family members been fired by Hyundai/Kia? I read your comments here and there in forums of Hyundai/Kia models and cannot understand how a person can be so consistently negative on a target, Hyundai and Kia models in this case, like you. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Excuse me, but it almost seems like you guys are reading too far into this. I never meant the comparison as a negative comment, and if everyone (this means you too knicks) would look back to PAGE 1 and read my initial response, you'll find that I in fact liked a lot about the car. How about thinking a little before bashing every comment I make?<p>And no--just because I didn't like the new Kia Sedona and compared the tail lights of the new Hyundai to an Accord (evidently that's a crime, here)--I don't hate either company. I just don't heap praise upon every mediocre effort in the automotive industry, that's all.<p>So again, I'm sorry if I offended any die-hard Kia/Hyundai-philes in here, but please, LOOK AT MY FIRST RESPONSE and you'll see that I never said anything bad in the first place! This is a friggin' witch hunt.

knicks125
03-01-2005, 09:11 PM
hey what did I do here...I just thought hunbin was very funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>btw, you first page post was what you said, but look at your next post (on 3rd page I think)...it's worst and worst every time I look at it (or something like that)... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>just wanted to point that out...don't get me involved in this...<p>I still like the car A LOT, despite what a lot are saying here

knicks125
03-01-2005, 09:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Patriotdefender</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, this is a silly little observation...but......why would they put that Hyundai sticker on the side of the car....at first in the initial pictures I thought it was a reflection off of the buffed paint....but now it looks like a sticker....what's up with that??? Still like the car, just questioning the sticker....silly on my part, I know.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>not a silly question, I thought the same thing, I wanna do why also, they have the sticker on the car, not a bad thing, just a little out of the ordinary, b/c you rarely see

Soul Man
03-01-2005, 10:41 PM
everybody keeps saying this things rear end looks like the accords, but except for the ends of teh taillights where the bumper meets it, im not seeingit, actually the rear of this car reminds me of the j30 for some reason. overall though the styling isnt really impressingme, maybe if that lower part was body color, and the grille was more like the sonata's id like it a bit more (maybe those will make it to the U.S. market, but the overall shape leaves me with a bit of a sour taste i understand that the sonata is for if you want soemthing on the sporty (for a family sedan) side, and this is more the mini executive cruiser, but the design could have had some more sporty elements in it, i mean look at the new avalon. overall i am sure it will be a great car i just hope some slight changes are made for the N.A. version, and still wish it was styled with a bit more risk involved but i will reserve my full judgement until i see it in person

knicks125
03-01-2005, 10:45 PM
ok i can't resist...has anyone noticed the back, epseically the trunk, how closely it is similar to the 7er:<p><A HREF="http://img179.exs.cx/img179/3969/bmw7back6rf.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img179.exs.cx/img179/3969/bmw7back6rf.jpg</A><p>Source: None given - I'd to give it the the creator of this pic, well then, no takers - BMW<p>In a lot of ways, I can see more similar cues betweent the two, a lot more than the comparision between the Accord <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Forget the tail light arugment, it's pointless. There are a lot of cars with similar tail light treatments and share similar design, not just the stupid comparisons people try to draw here, there are more than just two or three cars, a lot more. Please end it, as I pointed out, it's pointless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 1:50 AM 3/2/2005</i>

Andre
03-02-2005, 02:48 AM
I'm gonna butt in one more time before I put a stop to this... THE CAR IS A FREAKING HYUNDAI, IS IT REALLY WORTH CHEWING EACH OTHER APART OVER?<p>Only reason I got defensive about the Accord comment, btw, is because You're telling us to consider that it was modeled after the Accord, and asking why we're SO convinced it's not, while you yourself are implying that it was, and don't even seem willing to consider the possibility it was all an unlucky coincidence.<p>IMO, on top of the necessity for a contrasting viewpoint, the Accord's taillamps have been burned badly for looking like a Buick, I don't think Hyundai would have copied them had they known the Accord's taillamps were not well recieved. I think the design lanuage was set before the Accord's unveiling.<p>Now, as for you calling Knicks a hippocrite. I'd like you to read your own comments and see that you have not exactly been an angel yourself. I don't want any more run-ins like this on the forum. Please clean up your act and repect Each other's opinions, EVERYONE!! Don't try to bash each other (ahem, no name calling) or the cars, but discuss them in a polite, respectful way. This forum has a reputation for low tolerance to "pissing contests", and we will uphold that reputation if necessary, and however necessary!

Gian86
03-02-2005, 02:55 AM
The look on grandeur is alright. I thought the oridinal XG will sell well here but very poor indeed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Velocitas
03-02-2005, 03:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THE CAR IS A FREAKING HYUNDAI, IS IT REALLY WORTH CHEWING EACH OTHER APART OVER?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We debate the oddest little cars here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

zorro
03-02-2005, 03:57 AM
TG exterior&interior pics:<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=30845" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...30845</A>

Hornbag
03-02-2005, 04:22 AM
The XG is more expensive than the Sonata, but IMO it looks terrible agaisnt it.<br>Im allergic to this new 'Hyundai' grille treatment as well.

u2bono
03-02-2005, 05:23 AM
movie file..<p><A HREF="http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/movie/plaza/ads/Grandeur.wmv" TARGET="_blank">http://worldwide.hyundai-motor...r.wmv</A>

Dodger
03-02-2005, 06:15 AM
The interior is pretty nice, not too sure about the wrap-around wood though. The front end could use a little more presence. Not too sure about the way the back end comes together either-wierd lines where the trunk meets the rear fender...

mzoltarp
03-02-2005, 06:40 AM
The new Grandeur is beautiful in action. My guess is that Hyundai HAS TO give it a new name in the USA because it no longer does what the XG does. The current XG is more an old school (Bentley) type of luxury and the new car definitely has the Audi A6 in it. I would also guess that Hyundai will chrome up the grille a bit. The wheels are ok. A problem with the current XG is that the tires and wheels Hyundai puts on them make the car look like it's on tires and wheels appropriate for an Accent. The local dealer takes the wheels and tires off and puts on sets of larger chrome wheels and wider tires to up the bling bling factor then puts the XG wheels on the Sonatas that came with plastic wheel covers and bumps the price. It would be nice if the new car would come with 18 inch wheels and substantial tires. As for the name Azera--yes it's close to "acera" meaning sidewalk--can't Hyundai think of anything better?

Tidal
03-02-2005, 07:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The XG is more expensive than the Sonata, but IMO it looks terrible agaisnt it.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. The Sonata is pretty easy on the eye, i don't like this at all. It's like a middle-aged Sonata, that put up some weight or something... The interior seems nice enough, but the wood is way to shiny. Mind you, that's a problem on many US market oriented cars imo.

Chickpig
03-02-2005, 08:16 AM
<A HREF="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/special/special1109746096.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/...6.jpg</A> <br>IMO this car looks dated already. Yes rear lights look too similar to accord while front to much like phaeton. Somehow the shape isn't as modern as i've expected. Quite dissapointing because its not very original and its not modern enough for me.

knicks125
03-02-2005, 09:02 AM
Keep in mind this car is positioned similar to the Avalon, unlike the Sonata and the Camry, where they are served for the masses, this isn't.<p>The interior looks very upscale, in addition to all of the standard features the Sonata has, this car will also include electric rear curtain, 8 airbags, and Navi, among others. I'm impressed, espeically by the electric rear curtain <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thanks zorro for finding the pic and u2bono for the video, although the bobaedream site keeping redirecting so I've decided to host these images for easier viewing pleasure <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img207.exs.cx/img207/7483/special11097460967fw.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Bobaedream

Banker
03-02-2005, 09:19 AM
Wow! I like it a lot. This looks much better than the new Avalon, especially the interior. This will sell much better than the old XG350. I hope they can bring this to market for at or under $30K. If they do, they will sell boat loads.<p>Does anyone see a little bit of Maybach in the rear 3/4 view?<p>The look is much better than I had anticipated.<p>Well done.

knicks125
03-02-2005, 09:25 AM
Agreed...as long as the car starts somewhere near or around 30k, it should sell well (expected units)<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone see a little bit of Maybach in the rear 3/4 view?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Overall...Hyundai has done great so far with their 24/7 plan, Tucson has been a hit, the Sonata and the TG should also be a hit, looking forward to the new Accent, Elantra, Santa Fe, and the 7th new car, I heard it was called Entourage (a minivan), right?<p>Great Job - Hyundai <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-02-2005, 09:38 AM
looks great, between this and the avalon, the new lucerne should look like typical junk

Santeno
03-02-2005, 09:49 AM
I don't know guys. while this is a drstic improvement (stylingwise and from what I'm told engineeringwise) for hyundai, I can't help but feel that this would have been a great design back in 1995. Don't get me wrong, it's handsome, but in that exteremenly bland sort of way which was popular with mid 90's hondas and especially Toyotas. IMO, the bland design will force people to focus their attention on the vehicle's content and engineering and if hyundai can deliver impressive results in those categories and keep prices and guaranties in check, they should have one seriouslt succesful vehicle in their hands. I don't see it affecting avalon sales much though.

r0b
03-02-2005, 10:12 AM
Totaly agree with you! Some shapes are modern (resemble to audi) some look like said, in the mid 90's!

Andre
03-02-2005, 10:23 AM
I dunno really. What I see as hurting the design of the car is it was given a very soft, oval design... much like the cars used in the early toi mid 90s, so I agree with you it would have been top of its game in 95. If Hyundai had designed a few sharper corners I think it would have looked a lot better than it does.<p>So far, the two best looking new cars in the segment look like a boat, or looks like it should have come out ten years ago<p>Lucerne?<p>I still prefer the Maxima over all of them

Patriotdefender
03-02-2005, 10:54 AM
Has anybody noticed how high the roofline goes in the middle of the vehicle? There must be an insane amount of headroom for the front passengers. Just an observation.

Gobias
03-02-2005, 11:13 AM
I think that there are too many people criticising the Azera, especially the morons on the Car and Driver forums bi****** about the "Accord taillights. Here's what I have to say: Just because it isn't emmulating a generic Japanese car design (IS250), or because it isn't radically styled, like a Cadillac or BMW, that doesn't mean that it is a styling disaster. Hyundai is targeting the market of those who are inclined to by a Lucerne, Avalon, and not a CTS or 3 series. Must every 4 door look like a Japanese sport sedan...the answer is a resounding NO. I personally feel that the Azera does NOT look dated, for it looks classy and upscale compared to other cars that want to look like Altimas and Mazda3's. Everytime I look at it, I see either Maybach or the new Mercedes CLS500. Overall, a very classy looking car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-02-2005, 11:57 AM
well said and thank you for post...it needed to be said!<p>There is something else that needs to be said here: most of the comments here sounded to me like hyundai fell short on this car, what did you guys expect, a M5? Regardless, Hyundai is still an entry level automaker, and this car, to me, is considered to be top notch, in its class. I will continue to ask you guys to go out and drive one of those (new) bad boys, your experience might or might not be the same as those columns provided by the critics, but get to know the brand yourself and not flood this thread with your ignorant comments and nonsense posts <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Overall, as I said before, this is a very upscale car, and Hyundai has done a great job!!<p>PS: I espeically like the electric rear curtain and eight air bags features <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I wonder how many other entry level cars have those features???

Charger
03-02-2005, 01:51 PM
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syclone
03-02-2005, 03:05 PM
reminds me a bit of the pheaton... which is a good thing for the hyundai since it costs so much less

SV
03-02-2005, 03:54 PM
well, it looks really nice. the front is bland to me (i prefer the sonata's front end), but i really like the rear and interior. this should be a huge improvement over the current car, and will definitely be up there with the avalon, 300, and five hundred. great job hyundai <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

VexedandGlorious
03-02-2005, 06:18 PM
i have to agree with what Santeno said, at top of this page, this looks very 90ish, and very bland to me, the thickness of the rear shouldnt have made the final design<p>the front is played out in my opinion, the dash is the only thing that is actually modern, even the seats look dated to me, hyundai tries to step up but just in the wrong time period.<p>And this is up there with the 300?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Graffititech at 8:26 PM 3/2/2005</i>

hunbin11
03-02-2005, 08:54 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:18 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:19 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:24 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:27 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:29 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:31 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:34 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:37 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:46 PM
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Gobias
03-02-2005, 09:52 PM
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knicks125
03-02-2005, 10:18 PM
thanks for all of the better images, hunbin & adidasman4life, they are great.<p>Well, this car is growing on me even more now, the car just looks better and better...i am going to have a hard time deciding between this and the new Sonata, although it is a good problem to have <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>maybe i should just get both...and maybe i can get a multi-car discount if i buy them together, 50k ought to do it right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-02-2005, 10:46 PM
another thing i am digging very much is hyundai's commercial for this car, although I have to lean toward the Sonata's, I've included a link below <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>For your viewing pleasure, please turn up the volume on your speaker for max. effect <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> The music, IMO, was perfectly matched; on that subject, I am still trying to find out the name of the second piece - the fast pace one, played until the end. I had already asked my hyundai friend, he doesn't know, so I'm still trying to figure out, and wondering if anyone here would happen toknow the name of that song <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> thanks<p>anyways, below is the link to the Sonata's commercial, as for the Grandeur, someone else posted a link a few pages back <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/movie/plaza/ads/nfsonata.mpg" TARGET="_blank">http://worldwide.hyundai-motor...a.mpg</A><p>EDIT: Grandeur's - <A HREF="http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/movie/plaza/ads/Grandeur.wmv" TARGET="_blank">http://worldwide.hyundai-motor...r.wmv</A>

JBlair
03-02-2005, 11:46 PM
Real-life shots make it look sooo much better than the ones from the show. The interior, though, is a bit drab and off. What happened to the interior from Bobaedream that looked good? Hopefully they offer this in the black/metal trim that the Sonata comes in.

Hornbag
03-03-2005, 12:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Keep in mind this car is positioned similar to the Avalon</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think they will have to price it very well to beat the Avalon. I mean the Avalon looks pretty danm good...This thing is like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

spwolf
03-03-2005, 05:32 AM
Let me clarify what I think - I agree with Santeno - it does look a bit too bland, following some a bit older school of design but it looks ok. Interior is great advance for Hyundai, although not some awesome design. You can not expect hyundai to completly transforms itself within a day.<p>Total impression is ok. I am sure it will be miles ahead of current XG in EVERYTHING. I am sure its designated demographics will think it is nice.<p>What I think that the problem is that Hyundai is making crucial mistake in that it is trying too hard to become like Toyota or VW. They are going too upmarket in their prices. If Sonata is going to cost around 25k with V6, nicely equipped, then this thing will have same pricing as all of its rivals - Avalon, 300, etc, which then makes it completly different ball game.<p>What is so wrong in creating decent yet inexpensive cars?<p>We have this problem with Toyota in Europe, we always hold our fingers for next model pricing and I dont think it is mistake that Hyundai needs to make.

megadethmartyr
03-03-2005, 09:04 AM
Like I mentioned in the Sonata thread, Hyundai is still going to undercut the competition. Example, the Sonata LX with everything is $25K, and I don't see the TG going over 30K, and if it does, it won't be by much.

alexr15
03-03-2005, 03:04 PM
What engine is it going to have? Edmunds.com says the 3.3 V6 with 230hp & 220 lb-ft of torque. Is this correct? because I thought it was going to have a 3.8 V6.

Andre
03-03-2005, 04:11 PM
In Europe where they don't crave big power the largest will be a 3.3 V6, and I believe the Sonata's new Diesel will find its way in there too<p>In the US I expect the 3.8, possibly the 3.3 as a base engine

Naga Royal Guard
03-03-2005, 04:35 PM
looks like a graceful fish <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-03-2005, 04:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So far, the two best looking new cars in the segment look like a boat</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks like a graceful fish <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Between the two, I prefer the fish over the boat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
03-03-2005, 05:00 PM
The Boat is the Avalon... Allusion to the high, rounded beltline <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
03-03-2005, 05:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Between the two, I prefer the fish over the boat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps, but I have to say, the Avalon's interior is a bit more plush. I think the Hyundai's interior will look better in a warmer color... like a tan or ivory, maybe. <p>Will the Azera have a nav option?

Naga Royal Guard
03-03-2005, 05:11 PM
i saw the avalon, it looks like a box

knicks125
03-03-2005, 05:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Perhaps, but I have to say, the Avalon's interior is a bit more plush. I think the Hyundai's interior will look better in a warmer color... like a tan or ivory, maybe. <p>Will the Azera have a nav option?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i was only kidding around about the boat and the fish <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The car will have Navi, mostly would be standard <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> although no confirmation yet, so it could also be optional equipment, still good I gues <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-03-2005, 05:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i saw the avalon, it looks like a box</TD></TR></TABLE><p>which person should i trust more, you or andre <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>a boat or a box...interesting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LOL/jk

knicks125
03-03-2005, 09:23 PM
Press release including photos <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.autoindex.org/news.plt?no=1107" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoindex.org/news.plt?no=1107</A><p>When are we going to see the US specs? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
03-03-2005, 10:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The car will have Navi, mostly would be standard <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> although no confirmation yet, so it could also be optional equipment, still good I gues <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's good to hear. There was definitely nav in some of the spy photos, I just worried that (like some of the details in the previous generation) it wouldn't make the cut for the NA market.

megadethmartyr
03-03-2005, 11:08 PM
Couple things, thats Azera name, well I have no idea where that came from and I haven't seen anything from Hyundai saying as such. I truly doubt it will be called that. Secondly, I would believe a thing Edmunds says. They are as accurate as a blind man in a markmanship contest. I know there is a 3.8L engine. I know it was SUPPOSED to be in the the TG. I don't if know when it will show up.

Speedstick
03-04-2005, 10:18 AM
I see numerous styling cues... The body looks a bit Audi mixed with Buick LaCrosse, rear looks like the Accord - but at the same time has family resemblance with the new Sonata. I like it quite a bit - it doesn't really seem like a rip off.<p>The front is a bit so, so. Looks late 90's not mid 00's. Sorta Mazda/Lexus. I was wishing it was a tad more aggresive in front. Maybe a better grille - I dunno.

Ascariss
03-04-2005, 10:27 AM
I'm going to have to say it, I don't like it. It looks like crap, already dated and mid 90's styling as was mentioned earlier in the thread. The Sonata is a step forward, this is almost like a step backwards. <p>It looks like a freaking chinese jetta, the front just looks horrid and the rear seems like an afterthought with too many things going on. I was hoping this car would be better looking and set a trend for future hyundais to look better, but after seeing this, it kind of worries me what is coming up. <p>There are parts of the car that look up to date, but the majority is in the past. I won't stick in the same category as the Aztek or multipla, granted the multipla almost looks better, but I have to say this is one of the year's greatest dissapointments for me. You just have to love that Accord/Impreza/7er/Maybach rear. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Sorry this isn't what I wanted to see. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Maybe we should have a contest to facelift this model heavily. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
03-04-2005, 10:29 AM
btw, I am expecting a backlash from people, so give me your best.

DoMiNo
03-04-2005, 10:45 AM
Hmm, I can't say I feel as strongly as you do about it, but I understand where you're coming from. It is a slight bit of a let down <I>in the sense</I> that, on this forum in particular, it was built up for a long, long time. That said, it's not a bad car, and it even has its good points, as I've said before. There ARE influences (even if they're subconscious) of other automobiles in its design, NO ONE can deny that. People can disagree, people can have different opinions, but each car is open to individual interpretation. So I give you props for speaking your mind and I sincerely hope some people don't trash you for it simply because you don't maintain some deep affinity for the brand. Bravo Ascariss.<p>That said, I caught hell from everyone for far less than that Ascariss. But hey, you're a mod, so no one's gonna delete <I>your</I> posts, eh?

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:52 AM
one word: <B>homogenization</B><p>I've noticed a lot of the new released cars are very similar and share a lot of the same cues, so people who trashed this car are actually trashing others, subconsciously.<p>That said, to me, every car has its supporters and also those who hate it, and the rest in between, so I respect everyones' opinions.<p>This is a upper 20k/low 30k car, and for the given price range and the rest of its competitors, I think this is a very handsome and upscale car. To me, Hyundai is still very much underappreciated for what they have to offer, their cars have one of the best value packages, yet many people don't even give them a chance when they cross shop, if that at all.<p>I used to be one of those people, I'll admit, but after test driving a Hyundai a few years ago, my perspective for Hyundai changed dramatically. <p>A few factors I give <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> to Hyundai<p>Value<br>Features (the most comprehensive standard features including many safety)<br>Warranty<br>and most importantly Improvement (its cars are no longer what they are in the early 90s)<p>I will have to offer to those that continue to think Hyundai is copying others to think again, like I said before, a lot of cars nowadays are very similar, and most automakers do well in the market b/c of that factor. I know you don't want to hear this, but bland is the trend right now, that's how you sell cars (ex. Camry). <p>Also, PLEASE, go try it out, test drive a Hyundai before you offer your perspectives; listening to other people, and/or listening to car reviewers are one thing, but I'd like for all of you to form your OWN opinions, and not listen to others. Trust me, you will be very surprised after your try out a Hyundai. And then, if you don't like it, so be it, there is no one car that is designed for everyone, but until then, you wouldn't know unless you try it, right?<p>I'm actually putting a shopping list right now to add a family sedan into my current collection (a coupe and a sports sedan - my mom's driving the sports sedan). Believe it or not, Sonata is on the top of my list. I will provide my results in a few weeks in the Sonata thread <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
03-04-2005, 11:57 AM
I guess I am in the middle on the styling. It isn't anything fresh or new but it isn't offensive either... it's Hyundai.

VexedandGlorious
03-04-2005, 12:41 PM
i agree with ascariss totally.

DoMiNo
03-04-2005, 12:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess I am in the middle on the styling. It isn't anything fresh or new but it isn't offensive either... it's Hyundai.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I'd say that's my stance, as well.

megadethmartyr
03-04-2005, 12:52 PM
Ascariss you suck. Just kidding.<br>I like it, and I can honestly say if it sucked, i would say so.

hunbin11
03-04-2005, 12:58 PM
We saw two new cars from Hyundai this year, Sonata and TG. Personally, I like new Sonata a lot. I think it's huge progress from current generation in terms of both design and performance (of course based on published data). I am not sure how new 3.8 engine will actually perform but, in just design point of view, I did not get excited with TG as I had done with Sonata. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
03-04-2005, 02:00 PM
Im not as extreme as Ascariss but it does look outdated. Induvidual parts look good but the whole thing looks 90's. Doesnt the shape look like a bigger elantra

Santeno
03-04-2005, 02:15 PM
I was thinking that the pontoon-like curve of the rear quarter panels emulates a similar curve found one the rear quarter panel of the tiburon/tuscani. <p>Not the greatest pics but see what I mean?<p><IMG SRC="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050301/capt.ge12703011426.switzerland_car_show_ge127.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundaiusa.com/Vehicles/Tiburon/asset_upload_file905_4442.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The curve of the fender is similar as is the raised cutline at the bottom of the c-pillar. What do you guys think?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 5:39 PM 3/4/2005</i>

MrMGMan
03-04-2005, 02:47 PM
I thought I was the only person to pick up on the resemblance between this car and the Elantra.<p>I have to say, I'm <B>REALLY</B> disappointed by this car. Some areas of the design, like the mid section, are quite pleasing to the eye, while others such as the front and rear ends are disappointingly pedestrian. As a whole, its a rather disappointing, disjointed looking mishmash of styling cues cribbed from other manufacturers. Even the interior looks disappointing after the new Sonata. Be the old XG what it was, but at least it had some sort of easily identifiable look. Take the Hyundai badges off and this new model could quite easily pass as the product of any number of Japanese companies circa 1996. <p>The Hyundai range is now really a confusing mele of styling trends, from the visually appealing, well proportioned Getz, Coupe, Tucson and new Sonata, through the disappointing blandness of this new 'Azera' and Accent, to the overt Korean weirdness of the Santa F and Elantra.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MrMGMan at 1:52 PM 3/4/2005</i>

knicks125
03-04-2005, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like it, and I can honestly say if it sucked, i would say so.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>--------------------------------------------------<p>explain to me something, you guys say the new Sonata is appealing but the Grandeur is not, yet when I turned to the Sonata thread, I didn't see much high praises like you guys did here, I did see the same ignorant comments and comparisons shown here - I am confusied <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> what's up? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If you have not had a chance to read my previous post in this thread (also on this page, I think), I would advise you to do so, the truth coming from a "not yet converted but soon will be" Hyundai fan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Here is a simple question: how many of you have driven a Hyundai recently, or ever? From the comments here, you guys are way too picky about how a car looks like, its styling, etc, rather than the usefulness of the car, or what the car offers, and its pruposes. Remember this isn't a beauty contest, and I'm sorry to disappoint, this isn't a BMW.</B>

Speedstick
03-04-2005, 03:51 PM
I do like the current XG better I think. I don't think the car is ugly, but it could have been a lot better. The front is just boring. I'm looking at the pics and wondering why it had all the cladding. Take the badge off and it could be any Japanese car from 1990-Current. I like the lines in the rear, but the taillights are also boring. I mean - they're doing the LED thing but it looks like they're trying to disguse it to look like a normal light.<p>IMO this car needs an front and rear re-do. I guess we'll have to wait for a face-lift. It's not nearly as aggresive or as luxurious looking as a near-luxury car should be.

Speedstick
03-04-2005, 03:53 PM
Another thing - what's with Hyundai's dash designs? They're also very boring. Expanses of flat dull coloured plastic. They could have at least done a two tone treatment. There just doesn't seem to be anything fancy to look at other than the wood. When I'm in a car I want some interesting shapes that will keep me inspired by the car for more than a couple months.

efesese
03-04-2005, 04:09 PM
doesn't it look like the 2001 or 2002 mazda millenia? specially the front.

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was thinking that the pontoon-like curve of the rear quarter panels emulates a similar curve found one the rear quarter panel of the tiburon/tuscani. <p>The curve of the fender is similar as is the raised cutline at the bottom of the c-pillar. What do you guys think?<p><br><i>Modified by Santeno at 5:39 PM 3/4/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good catch there Santeno, I see a little bit of what you see <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-04-2005, 11:30 PM
The more I see of this car the more I like it. I agree it does contain blended designs. However, let's start with a few observations. I have read more than quite a few posts that have been critical of the overall design. I agree that the design is not ground breaking but it isn't offensive. For example some of the criticism and comparisons have been made to brands like Acura, Mazda 929, Honda Accord, VW Phaeton, Audi, BMW, etc. Compare all of the above models just cited and you'll find blended designs in all of them. <p>For example the newest Acura TL is so BMW 5 series. From the side view to the rear all Bimmer. The Mazda 929 comparison? I don't see it. But IMO the front end grill work is more Infinit M45. Honda Accord? Check again. The Accord's rear is no where near similar to the Hyundai TG. In fact the rear end reminds me of previous '84 caddy Seville of yore. <A HREF="http://www.pevomuc.de/100-Cadillac/PECAAR.08/1984-A/1984-1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pevomuc.de/100-Cadi....html</A> . VW Phaeton? I haven't seen that either. <p>The Audi comparison is much more accurate as the side view from the A pillars on is very easy to see. BMW comparison from the rear trunk lid/lip design is similar to the current 7 series. I'm not particularly fond of this design but it seems to fit the the looks of this car. The interior (I haven't had a chance to see as many pics of it as I'd like) is very clean and looks very upscale. I think other than an in-the-flesh view and test drive time on this new rig can one really tell if the TG has what it takes to compete with the likes of Avalon which is a fine automobile in it's own right but up until recently didn't seem to have any likable personality style wise that set it apart. The newest re-design is much improved over what was a Camry like generic styling but it isn't an awe inspiring re-design either.<p>As far as the interior? Let's remember this isn't even a U.S. spec'd TG so as far as the interior goes we may see some variables in style and trim. Opinions aside, we may find things style and design wise to criticize about the new TG but the jury is still out until the final sales numbers come in will Hyundai know if this car is a winner that can truly compete with the likes of Avalon.

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:32 PM
went out 2nite and saw a movie with my g/f, well, the movie was extremely boring so I got to thinking a little bit, while not concentrating on the movie, why not compare this car to the current XG, instead of other nonsense comparsions, what do you guys think, shall we give a try?<p>Let me remind you all what the current XG looks like:<p><B>Exterior</B>:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2004/Hyundai/100305349/028974-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2004/Hyundai/100305349/028975-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Interior:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2004/Hyundai/100305349/028976-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>More Pics Here - <A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/hyundai/xg350/100492179/photos.html?tid=edmunds.n.prices.moreresearch.0.1. Hyundai*" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/new/200...ndai*</A><p><B>2006 Model</B>:<p><IMG SRC="http://hyundaiexchange.com/forum/files/tg.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/254-13063-259053-5057/Azera%20cat.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>To me, I like it the new one better than the current one, much more classy and upscale, I think the current one, the insde is especially overdone, and I honestly think hyundai has listened to the customers and cut back on this new one, yep, i like it the new one much better than the old one, and I think this is a better comparison <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What do you guys think? Discuss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-04-2005, 11:40 PM
Knicks - you make a very good point when comapring the current XG to the new TG. The XG seems 'old' and so 'over-done' lol. I find it amusing that many of the criticism of the design of the TG is being compared all over the automotive brand map.<p>What's really even more amusing is if you look at the comparisons and contrast just about every design is a copy or a blend of each other. <p>It is only fair to be critical of any new design as we never know how the market will react or how well it will be received. Time will tell but this vehicle is definitely a step in the right direction for Hyundai's new refreshing image.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by deltaz at 10:47 PM 3/4/2005</i>

scorpio14
03-04-2005, 11:48 PM
Man this car looks BAD from the outside... I c some Mazda Eunos 800 in the rear... the whole shape just looks old school (90's style)... <p>The Interior is all right though<p>The Sonata looks great... i was hoping for a Bigger luxurier version of that in the styling of the exterior on this car<p>

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:50 PM
deltaz, I agree with you on both of your posts...and thank you for your kind words <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>anyways, like I said before, homogenization is the trend now, there are just much cues on the TG (from other cars) as there are on any other cars out there. Take any mass produced cars made in the 21st century, and I can list about the same amout of cues as many of you have listed in this thread, even though some of your comparisons make no sense whatsoever (see deltaz's post for explanation) but hey you are entitled to your own opinions, regardless whether they are ignorant or not, not going to argue with that.<p>Yes, only time will tell how good (or disappointing) the TG will be, but one thing is clear, it has made dramatic improvements from current XG <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> so far so good!!!!

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Sonata looks great... i was hoping for a Bigger luxurier version of that in the styling of the exterior on this car<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The TG is not a luxury car, sorry to disappoint, your expectation of a luxury car (or luxury version) will be coming soon from Hyundai), this is just a entry level premium car, don't confuse it with a 7er <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-05-2005, 12:14 AM
(knicks125)<br>I can make all the ignorant comments as I please! LoL. It's true regarding your point about design homogenization-I like that phraseology knicks-lol so in essence the point is that all brands are copying or 'blending' designs between brands. <p> In fairness to the critics Hyundai may have teased and titillated the far too long than they should have and so some may have thought it would've been some ground breaking design?<p>I believe we may yet see it from Hyundai though in the next face as the model evolves. (not too ignorant right? LoL)

r0b
03-05-2005, 01:55 AM
Remember when the BMW 7er came out? Everyone said the car was ugly, specialy the rear! After a few months, suddenly the car became great.... at least in Europe!<p>TG is a decent limousine, maybe will get used to it soon!

myredhotcar
03-05-2005, 05:13 AM
The proper way to be seen in this car: with the disguises still on!<p>This bland bar of noname soap reminds me why nissan and mazda tanked in the early-mid nineties. A decent enough interior, but what's the point unless you are 65+ and think chevy malibu is a beautiful car. <p>I'd rather drive a lada.<p>my rating: 2(interior fascia is the only redeeming quality)/10<p>(The scary truth: this boat will sell because it's cheap and boring people want boring cars.)

knicks125
03-05-2005, 07:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>deltaz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(knicks125)<br>I can make all the ignorant comments as I please! LoL. It's true regarding your point about design homogenization-I like that phraseology knicks-lol so in essence the point is that all brands are copying or 'blending' designs between brands. <p> In fairness to the critics Hyundai may have teased and titillated the far too long than they should have and so some may have thought it would've been some ground breaking design?<p>I believe we may yet see it from Hyundai though in the next face as the model evolves. (not too ignorant right? LoL)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol...cool post...lots of posts here are fine the way they are, there are people who like the car and those who don't, but some offered ignorant yet shallow comments in their posts, most of those posts have already been deleted (CSS does a good job at that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> ), instead of providing their opinions, they bash the car with nothing to back up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>and you are not one of them</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <I>those people know who they are</I>

knicks125
03-05-2005, 07:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Remember when the BMW 7er came out? Everyone said the car was ugly, specialy the rear! After a few months, suddenly the car became great.... at least in Europe!<p>TG is a decent limousine, maybe will get used to it soon!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>good point there r0b <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Speedstick
03-05-2005, 03:24 PM
I still think the 7 Series is ugly. The facelift is a bit better though.<p>Since we're talking about the 7 series though - I think the TG is better looking than the 7 series (I'm talking looks alone - I know they're not in the same league).

scorpio14
03-05-2005, 03:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The TG is not a luxury car, sorry to disappoint, your expectation of a luxury car (or luxury version) will be coming soon from Hyundai), this is just a entry level premium car, don't confuse it with a 7er <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorri... i didnt mean "Luxury Car"... i meant more like the New Toyota Avalon...

knicks125
03-05-2005, 03:34 PM
oh okay...in my opinion i think this is up to par with the Avalon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Keep in mind, the TG and Avalon both serve a very small market (compare to the Sonata and the Camry), and also in terms of their sale figures. So although the styling of the two can be judged one way or the other, as deltaz pointed out, only time will tell how the two would do, but do also keep in mind that both cars have a relatively small customer base to start off so expectation can not be weighted to high...something everyone needs to understand the purpose/market of these type of cars

Rugbyplaya91
03-05-2005, 05:38 PM
I am sorry... I just wanna give my view on this.. <p>The old hyundai Xg300 and 350 were bold.. it was something new for hyundai.. and i do think it was nice.. To me it didn't look like anything else on the market, and it took back the styling something sorta classic looking... Now this.. I'm sorry but i do not like this car.. it looks like a 4 door hatch back..<p>i'm glad that hyundais other cars do look better, i really hope this car does good for hyundais sake

Hornbag
03-05-2005, 05:45 PM
The front and tha back are just so bland. The front headlights look so ugly. The new Sonata headlights and tail lights look great! This is a shame.<p>Any word on pricing?

scorpio14
03-05-2005, 05:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh okay...in my opinion i think this is up to par with the Avalon </TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Man im a confusing person... I all think its "up to par wit the Avalon" BUT i mean Styling Wise... i was hoping for a Sonata design to the XG... not this Old school Mazda look... exterior that is... do u get what i mean... if not i'll shut up lol<p>Hornbag_1 states <B>"The front and tha back are just so bland. The front headlights look so ugly. The new Sonata headlights and tail lights look great!"</B><p>Thats EXACTLY what i think

Hornbag
03-05-2005, 06:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p>Hornbag_1 states <B>"The front and tha back are just so bland. The front headlights look so ugly. The new Sonata headlights and tail lights look great!"</B><p>Thats EXACTLY what i think</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> Yes, all hail the mighty Hornbag <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-05-2005, 07:53 PM
Oh god...where to start...<p>First of all, many of you continue to bring up issues that were already brought up before, please read previous posts before posting duplicates.<p>Alrighty, here we go:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am sorry... I just wanna give my view on this.. <p>The old hyundai Xg300 and 350 were bold.. it was something new for hyundai.. and i do think it was nice.. To me it didn't look like anything else on the market, and it took back the styling something sorta classic looking... Now this.. I'm sorry but i do not like this car.. it looks like a 4 door hatch back..<p>i'm glad that hyundais other cars do look better, i really hope this car does good for hyundais sake</TD></TR></TABLE><p>4 door hatchback...are you sure you are looking at the same car we are? And I certainly don't think this is the ugliest car in the hyundai lineup, referring to your "i'm gald that hyundais other cars do look better".<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The front and tha back are just so bland. The front headlights look so ugly. The new Sonata headlights and tail lights look great! This is a shame.<p>Any word on pricing?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bland is in, haven't you heard...bland sells. Camry is bland, yet it is one of the most popular cars in the world <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I actually think the headlights looks better on the Grandeur/Azera, at least more advanced...Xenon comes available <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Pricing...nothing yet (we might hear something at the Seoul Auto Show or the NYIAS)...but I am going to estimate to be in the high 20s/low 30s, very competitve, and valued <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p>Man im a confusing person... I all think its "up to par wit the Avalon" BUT i mean Styling Wise... i was hoping for a Sonata design to the XG... not this Old school Mazda look... exterior that is... do u get what i mean... if not i'll shut up lol</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is no need to be confused, as stated previously, the Grandeur/Azera does share similar cues with the Sonata, take the new Sonata and compare, and you would see many similarities. This whole old school mazda look, or any other comparisons people have made, it's the trendy thing right now, every one is copying off each other, not just Hyundai. As much as I can't not see many of the comparisons you have made and don't think they are very clear (and valid), I respect everyone's opinions.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> Yes, all hail the mighty Hornbag <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't get too excited <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They could use the TV commercial for the Ford Focus, and have that designer hoping into the car, saying how good the quality is, then he looks at the badge, gets the cat (changes here people), hops out, looks at the out side, and then everyone laughfs at him, and he starts crying!<p>LOL, what a marketing piece of work! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>hey, focus here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> this ain't a Ford thread...j/k...lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>On a more serious note, I know a lot of people are still having Hyundai's image problems in their head, however, this is no longer the same Hyundai you are thinking about. And, you guys concentrate way too much on how the car looks, and how the car is similar to other cars, rather than what the car offers; similar to the Sonata, this car will offer by far the most comprehensive list of features and equipment in its class, some of which will probably include:<p>Active Geometry Suspension (Go Crazy)<br>Electronic Stability Control (ESC)<br>Traction Control System (TCS)<br>Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)<br>8 Airbags<br>Xenon<br>LED Taillights<br>Electric rear curtain <p>and my favorite,<br>Tinted glass <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I can't think of another ENTRY-LEVEL automaker having that many features, even on some premium/luxury brands<p>I offer the following: don't judge a car by how it looks, judge a car by what it can do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </B>

beatnik
03-05-2005, 08:58 PM
the front end reminds me of this:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/toyota/camry_gracia/toyota_camry_gracia_6183.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>great car nonetheless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
03-05-2005, 09:35 PM
LOL, i love this forum! We can all take a joke and tease other people (my fav thing to do!)<p>I dont think bland is in. I mean Mazda's arnt bland, new Lexuses arnt bland, new Nissans arnt bland, the new Sonata isnt bland, and Beemers CERTAINLY arnt bland, do ya see a trend here.<p>Its just, i think that Hyundai could have put more in, and isnted of copying trends, start their own. Oh, and i agree with beatnik, the headlights are similar...

deltaz
03-06-2005, 08:29 AM
Hi Hornbag - I want to set the record straight. For one thing all of the vehicles you mentioned have styling design blends more or less from other rival brands - Knicks' piece on "homogenization" makes some great points. Look at one of your examples like Lexus, take a look at the flagship LS430? Don't tell me you haven't noticed the styling blends of Mercedes 500 from the rear on this car. Gee, from a side view you also see that even the door shapes are copied off that car as well. <p>Oh that's right...Hyundai has to set new styling trends. Let's see them get this new new line-up mainstream first and then I think their next focus will be on upping the ante in the design and style area. In the mean-time let's try and keep some perspective on the design by blend comparisons.

hunbin11
03-06-2005, 08:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL, i love this forum! We can all take a joke and tease other people (my fav thing to do!)<p>I dont think bland is in. I mean Mazda's arnt bland, new Lexuses arnt bland, new Nissans arnt bland, the new Sonata isnt bland, and Beemers CERTAINLY arnt bland, do ya see a trend here.<p>Its just, i think that Hyundai could have put more in, and isnted of copying trends, start their own. Oh, and i agree with beatnik, the headlights are similar...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can definitely see teasing other people is your favorite thing.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-06-2005, 08:58 AM
<B>concuring with deltaz's point, I would like to ask all of you to please stop compare this car to others; it's pointless and how long are we going to go with this, as I can take any car and compare to any other cars, and we'd just be going back and forth forever, forever, and forever. With that said, if you guys would still like to do comparisons, rather judge the car by what it is, or what it offers, I believe comparing to the current gen XG would be the best way to go about.</B><p>And I still think this car is better than the current XG, in every other way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
03-06-2005, 09:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B> I believe comparing to the current gen XG would be the best way to go about.</B><p>And I still think this car is better than the current XG, in every other way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The new XG is better than the XG it replaces... but if you compare it to its cheaper sibling, the Sonata.... it doesn't really seem that great.

knicks125
03-06-2005, 09:16 AM
I agree, but I think the purpose of the new TG is not designed as the same purpose of the Sonata. While the Sonata is designed for the masses, the TG is designed for a specific market, this is why there are so many features inside the car, and how useful the car is. Customers who actually purchase this car may not generally care about how a car looks like, rather how useful the car is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-06-2005, 01:25 PM
Exactly, no one at Hyundai,Toyota, Nissan, etc. expects to sell a huge volume of their respective flagships. The whole point is that if you drive one it's exclusive. They aren't right for everyone and that's the point.

Rugbyplaya91
03-06-2005, 03:21 PM
i hated it yesterday.. but now i don't think it's that bad.. who ever said that it would grow on us like the bmw 7 was correct

r0b
03-09-2005, 11:33 AM
There is a new pic @ bobaedream...TG has a different grill & the sign or wing that Equus has...<p> <A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=31222&page=1&select=&content=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...tent=</A>

Santeno
03-09-2005, 11:53 AM
That's probably an higher end KDM variant. I think the international versions will look like the one at Geneva.

knicks125
03-09-2005, 12:44 PM
looks good...nice find r0b <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>santeno's probably right about the variant<p>check these out...i posted these in the spy shots thread of the xg; the second picture is probably the car r0b posted, although there is no bump (where the wing is placed near the grille). The grille on the second pic seem to match up to the one r0b posted, and the first pic is the one that was unveiled to us at Geneva <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img16.exs.cx/img16/8713/xgspy0218052vs.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img16.exs.cx/img16/8566/xg2spy0218057kr.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Dreamwiz<p>(ignore the burnout foglight <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )

Roadster44
03-09-2005, 04:43 PM
Looked at the pics one more time...step in right direction, but nowhere better than a current Passat even. Interior is well designed, but I can see it has cheap plastics, seats have no lumbar or thigh support. Rear end styling makes no sense and doesn't connect with rest of the car.

deltaz
03-09-2005, 04:56 PM
We really won't know until we see the US inveiling. It could slight cosmetic changes will be to adjust for the US market.

hunbin11
03-09-2005, 07:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a new pic @ bobaedream...TG has a different grill & the sign or wing that Equus has...<p> <A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=31222&page=1&select=&content=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...tent=</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is not real. It was just made with Photoshop by someone. <br>In addition to this, there are many interior shots that are not real in Korean sites. For example, the picture below is fake.<br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-2005_03_091052_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Some people find fun in many different ways.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-09-2005, 07:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hunbin11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is not real. It was just made with Photoshop by someone. <br>In addition to this, there are many interior shots that are not real in Korean sites. For example, the picture below is fake.<br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-2005_03_091052_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Some people find fun in many different ways.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>How do you know that the interior is a photoshop?

Gobias
03-09-2005, 08:28 PM
That interior pic matches what we were given to see in the earlier spy pics of the Azera. I have a hard time seeing it as a fake. However, the obviously fake picture is the one linked to BoBaeDream with the car on the bridge with the verticle grille and hood ornament. Anyways, where are the pics with the NAVIGATION SYSTEM?!?!?

SV
03-09-2005, 08:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hunbin11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is not real. It was just made with Photoshop by someone. <br>In addition to this, there are many interior shots that are not real in Korean sites. For example, the picture below is fake.<br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-2005_03_091052_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Some people find fun in many different ways.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>are you just saying that for attention? the interior picture is clearly real <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Soul Man
03-09-2005, 08:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>are you just saying that for attention? the interior picture is clearly real <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>hey dont rag on the guy, you cant blame him, i think he just still cant come to grip withe the fact that hyundai has created such a great looking interior.<p>

hunbin11
03-09-2005, 11:57 PM
Look. Can you guys read Korean? All these pictures came from Korean web sites at which they mentioned that they changed it with the wish that it would come out that way in domestic (Korean) market. Usually, Korean people prefer more decorated design (with chrome ornament, etc.), and many people there said the one introduced in Geneva was too simple in design. Also, you can check those pictures I claimed to be generated by Photoshop and compare them with one of the pictures previously released and you will realize they have the exact same background and position of the car, which I cannot see how one can do unless they use Photoshop. Also, if you have translation software from Korean to English, why don't you try to read the post attached to those pictures. If I lied, I will never say anything further in this forum.<p>By the way, I do not need your attention. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 11:02 PM 3/9/2005</i><p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 11:08 PM 3/9/2005</i><p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 11:10 PM 3/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 11:33 PM 3/9/2005</i>

hunbin11
03-10-2005, 12:16 AM
See the similarities and differences? Leather seats folded exactly the same way in two or three different vehicles?<br> <br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1109820157.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-2005_03_091052_1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1110111061.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 11:24 PM 3/9/2005</i>

hunbin11
03-10-2005, 12:38 AM
Want to see the one with navigation? Am I still lying?<br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-national1110343152.jpg" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-10-2005, 05:31 AM
I think hunbin is probably correct, when this thing hits the showroom, we will see exactly how the car looks like, inside and out. I am certain that different markets will have slightly different modifications to each <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looked at the pics one more time...step in right direction, but nowhere better than a current Passat even. Interior is well designed, but I can see it has cheap plastics, seats have no lumbar or thigh support. Rear end styling makes no sense and doesn't connect with rest of the car. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Roadster, bad comparison, Passat and TG are not even in the same class...this with Avalon would be more like it.<p>Also, "I can see it has cheap plastics", what kind of statement is that?<p>and the rest of that sentence is still merely your opinion, I would like to see how you came to that conclusion when we even haven't seen a great detail of the car, and the US version might be modified a bit.

mzoltarp
03-10-2005, 06:45 AM
It would not surprise me if this is the look of the American version of the XG (minus the ornament). I think Hyundai will chrome it up for the USA given that chrome is the new trend. I'm loving the look of this car and may very well move up from my current XG. I really think that this and the new Avalon will sell very well to "Buickistas" who what their new cars to be new under the skin too.

Roadster44
03-10-2005, 09:50 AM
Knicks my comment about plastics is a very valid one. I know plastics and I can tell their quality just by looking at the pictures. Things like texture, how shiny plastics are, their color are usually a very good indicator of how their quality is. Let's wait for a road test and then we'll see if I was right or if I should be thrown out of a plane without a parachute.<p>As for the styling, you are absolutely correct...my statement was merely my opinion. What matters in the end is if the vehicle going to be profitable, are the customers going to be satisfied with it, will they recomment and this and other Hyundai products to their acquitances and relatives and will they remain customers for life.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 10:00 AM
Agree with your insightful comment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>however, i'm still not sold off on that plastic item (it's bugging me a lot). Unless you can tell me you are a plastic expert, I just can't see anyone stating their quality without feeling it or use it...i'm not discrediting your view, I am just not comfortable with people saying the quality of anything, not just on this car, but any car for that matter, when they have yet to hit the showroom and only a few have seen and felt the car firsthand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
03-10-2005, 10:17 AM
You know there are worse things in life that ought to bug the hell out of you other than someone's comments about a Hyundai. Don't get offended.

spwolf
03-10-2005, 10:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know there are worse things in life that ought to bug the hell out of you other than someone's comments about a Hyundai. Don't get offended. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 10:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know there are worse things in life that ought to bug the hell out of you other than someone's comments about a Hyundai. Don't get offended. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>no not really. I didn't care about your comments on Hyundai, rather it was your comments about you can judge everything by just looking at a picture, that's the only thing bugging me right now. Life is good, got myself a good job, good pay, love my Toyota Solara & Acura TL, what else do I have to complain, nope I can't think of any, your plastic expert comments is the only thing that's bugging me right now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

cadil-benz
03-10-2005, 11:31 AM
I'm sorry, but i cannot understand why some people think this car is so great. First, for a luxury car is looks very insubstantial, kind of like cheap honda's and toyota's did 10 years ago. It always surprises me how small sonata's and XG's look when compared with the cars they are meant to compete with. <p>The interior loooks like it came out of a chevy with acres of gray plastic and uninspired forms. You wish that this could compete with the Accord, much less a Passat, Alvalon, or TL.<p>While Hyndai's are attractively cheap and becomeing more and more reliable, interior and exterior design have a long way to go.

toontoy
03-10-2005, 12:17 PM
Hyundai's have their own part of the market and they ar meant to compete with others but not BE other cars. This is a very nice car, people likely buying this car are stepping up from a lower segment for the first time so compared to what they are driving it can be a huge step up. I give this one two thumbs up.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 12:17 PM
a few things to note, <p>first, hyundai's not a luxury a car company and this car isn't either, it's just Hyundai's flagship sedan<p>second, you are comparing wrong cars, Passat and Accord serve masses, while this car and Avalon serves a special market segment. I'll leave the TL out b/c I have one so i could be somewhat biased<p>and finally, "why some people think this car is so great", i am guessing here, because they don't have the same opinion as you, is that anywhere close?<p><B>I ask you guys, to once again go out and drive one of these cars, as I can safely assume not many of you have done so. Instead of bash the car with nothing to back up, or from other people, or from car reviewers, go out and do your own research, and then come back here and talk <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </B><p>Just because the car company offers their cars at a low price, it didn't do anything to deserve shallow and ignorant some of the comments as displayed here...i don't see you guys nit-pick every part of other cars with higher prices, if you don't like Hyundai, why even both to reply, just ignore it and be on your way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

toontoy
03-10-2005, 12:22 PM
It is funny how many posts all the Hyundai threads get, it is obviosly on peolpes minds a lot.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 12:24 PM
or they are just in denial that their car companies isn't doing well as Hyundai <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
03-10-2005, 12:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cadil-benz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>While Hyndai's are attractively cheap and becomeing more and more reliable, interior and exterior design have a long way to go.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>OK, It's Hyundai that you're talking about, not BMW, Mercedes etc. For the price you pay, you get a lot....<p>If everything would be perfect, the price would be much higher, beside I think Hyundai isn't a luxury brand. The cars are good, reliable, modern and overall fair priced!

hunbin11
03-10-2005, 03:56 PM
One thing I really cannot understand here is why people call this car a luxury vehicle and then try their best to emphasize how cheap it looks and feels when it is not indeed luxury car.<p>Also, there has been some comments about materials. So far, I have read many reviews in sites like Edmunds.com in which the fit and finish and material quality of current Hyundai and Kia vehicles were not that bad. So, I really cannot understand how these two companies suddenly degraded the material quality so drastically enough to be discerned in just a couple of pictures as many of you are saying. <p>Also, this is just pictures. Texture and color can be seen differently depending on light conditions and background, etc. Tell me how a yellow plate look when it is against red background and blue background. Do you think it will give you the same hue? Please enlighten me if I am wrong... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 3:02 PM 3/10/2005</i>

Roadster44
03-10-2005, 04:22 PM
I love Gray!!!!

Gobias
03-10-2005, 06:11 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> Why do many here consider the TG's styling outdated? Is it because of the smooth, curvey sheetmetal. Is it because of the lack of sharp creases and bizarre surface concaves and extrusions? Is it because it can't be deemed as a sport sedan? I believe that there is a car company called Jaguar that makes elegant, tasteful, rounded vehicles without the execution of radical styling to differentiate themselves. Even though the Hyundai may be derivative of various car out there, saying that it looks dated since it has more curves than creases is just wrong. By this reasoning, the Maybach 57S looks dated because it doesn't look like an Altima. Of course this is not said because many have no problems with the Maybach's non-radical styling, but when it comes to the Hyundai, I suppose people love to bash it because it doesn't look like a Japanese mainstreamer, like many cars under $60 K.<p>You all may make blasphemous statements about the TG, however, I would like to ask if you've seen any lower segment cars that share the common styling theme of the TG? I don't see any econo cars that look like the TG. I don't see any mainstream vehicles that look like the TG. I don't even see any small entry level luxury sedans that look anything like it. Try asking the same about the M45, RL, the new Jetta, the new Passat, ES330, and so forth. The problem with this is that the basic slab sided, high sloping beltline design is being shared too loosely throughout all different car segments. Nowaday's, we have mainstream cars that look like luxury cars, and luxury cars that look like mainstream cars. The only thing that differentiates the lookalikes is the technology and the interior design. My case in point, luxury cars don't look like luxury cars on the outside anymore. Even the new Audi's (A4, A6) really don't do a good job standing out from the crowd ever since the designers threw out the elegant rounded out 'Bahaus' styling for Japanese looks with a giant grill. At least the Hyundai TG has more exclusive styling, and doesn't look like an Accord or Altima.

tinydog
03-10-2005, 11:57 PM
I have yet to understand the constant demeaning of Hyundai vehicles and styling especially from people who have never driven much less owned one. I currently own a 2004 XG and 2003 Sonata LX and let me tell you they are hands down the best most reliable vehicles I have ever owned. I have owned many brands of luxury vehicles and can honestly say none have satisfied me like these. I have never recieved so many compliments on any vehicles I have ever owned as I do with these. The sad part is that you believe everything you read in Japanese biased reports. Since you claim to be such experts go check them out then make your own best educated decision. As for fit and finish today I was next to a new LS430 and let me tell you Hyundai has better exterior tolerances. As for the interior plastics I think the new textures may manufacturers are using today are butt ugly. (personal opinion). I think the TG is awsome looking and can hardly wait to get my hands on one. I could afford a Lexus but why pay that much when a car regardless of brand is a loss. The Sonata just toppled the LS430 as Consumer Reports most reliable model. I can certainly attest to that. Great work HYUNDAI. You are now my one and only carline. P.S. The current XG vs. Camry, Accord the new TG vs. Avalon can any of you explain exactly where the luxury classification of your comparisons is? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by tinydog at 11:11 PM 3/10/2005</i>

knicks125
03-12-2005, 10:39 AM
AdidasMan4Life & tinydog, great posts, and thoughtful comments.<p>Exactly my point, go out and drive a hyundai, then come back say you piece if you'd like. Otherwise, you have nothing to back up, don't listen to others, listen to yourself <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-12-2005, 11:20 AM
knicks you're saying exactly what I've been thinking and what I agree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> with. But it isn't really surprising to hear from the skeptics after all you're talking about a heavy dose of brand skeptism toward a car company that was once known for building 'basic transportation' and questionable reliability.<p>Not too hard to figure that skeptics have a hard time accepting that Hyundai is now considered a solid builder of good reliable automobiles. So now their attention is turned from what crappy iron they used to build to their designs - interior/exterior. To me this is the logical evolution of the brand as they shed the last vestiges of their former limp reputation. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 02:16 PM
Guys, every brand has it's skeptics. I personally can't stand domestic brands (except for a few models), don't dislike Honda's or Toyota's, especially considering what they have accomplished. (however, I can't stand some of their owner's "But it's Honda"). What I would point out is that those still taking shots at Hyundai are much fewer and far between.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 04:03 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> Yes. That is true. For me the TG is an evolution, a brand statement. That's what it means for me. Although the design may not be considered revolutionary it's definitely a big step forward in style, mechanics and technology as far as the Hyundai brand is concerned.<p>The more I see the TG the more that I am liking it. Can't wait to see it in person. The Fort Lauderdale auto show is coming up next week and I'm hoping the '06 Sonata will be featured there. Too bad I don't think the TG will be though. Hyundai is a brand I never thought I would've considered but it is definitely and consistently on my radar as well as should be on other buyers in this class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-19-2005, 09:51 AM
XG replacement will be unveiled (for NA) in NYC on 3/23, featuring a new 3.8L 3.8L 265 hp ultra-low emission engine, more here...<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14404" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14404</A><p>we'll find out what the name of the car is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 10:47 AM
Told you guys the 3.8L was coming! I still can't get anyone to give me the drop on the new name. They must think I'll go post it somewhere....

knicks125
03-19-2005, 12:14 PM
there is going to be a sweet ride...is v8 a possiblity anytime in the future?

megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 03:59 PM
Doubt it

mzoltarp
03-20-2005, 06:01 AM
A V8 Hyundai? I say of course there will be one. Let's do the math. When Hyundai introduced the XG300 the dealers thought they were crazy, but the XG300/350 has sold remarkably well. Well enough that the "XG380" will probably double or triple sales. Let's hope that they don't call it Azera which has been floating around. My guess is that the Equus is next for a styling make over. And just as everyone laughed when Hyundai did a large V6 sedan, they will laugh when Hyundai does a large V8 sedan. It won't be as good as a Lexus, but it will be damn close and less expensive. Hyundai is moving upmarket quite successfully. Unlike VW which has stumbled in attempting the same process. It would also not surprise me if Hyundai and BMW formed a quasi merger. BMW needs some insulation if it is to remain viable and Hyundai wants to be a top 5 producer of vehicles. I have no evidence of that, but the notion has occurred to me.

oren
03-20-2005, 06:56 AM
hyundai are making 4.6, 5.0L v8 engine<br>horse power of 4.6L is 300+<br>it's real...

megadethmartyr
03-20-2005, 11:51 AM
I wasn't saying won't make a V8 sedan, the Equus already is one(4.5L), I was saying the TG won't have one.

mzoltarp
03-20-2005, 05:32 PM
Would certainly be a great way to offer something the Avalon doesn't. If Chevy can shoe horn a V8 into the Impala, no reason why the XG couldn't handle one.

megadethmartyr
03-20-2005, 07:29 PM
True, true. However to make it really worth it, it would need to be wither AWD or RWD. The torque steer wouldn't be worth putting a V8 in a FWD.

Andre
03-20-2005, 08:13 PM
The Impala is FWD, but their V8 is just about as powerful as the TG's v6

knicks125
03-21-2005, 06:42 AM
I don't think these interior shots were ever posted, they were from the Geneva show...i'm sure we'll get some more shots from the NYIAS <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Posted as links from Autoweek<p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/254-13063-277262-5701/TG36.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/254-13063-277261-5667/TG33.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...3.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/254-13063-277261-5666/TG32.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/254-13063-261426-5661/TG24.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...4.jpg</A>

jberrer
03-21-2005, 07:47 AM
The v-8 is old news. But how about this - a few months ago, Hyundai gave the green light for a full size pickup... with a v-8. sometime around 2008

knicks125
03-21-2005, 07:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jberrer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The v-8 is old news. But how about this - a few months ago, Hyundai gave the green light for a full size pickup... with a v-8. sometime around 2008</TD></TR></TABLE><p>wow that's exciting...the last time i heard it was still a rumor, now it's true...that's great...lookout nissan titan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

jro4566
03-21-2005, 09:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jberrer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The v-8 is old news. But how about this - a few months ago, Hyundai gave the green light for a full size pickup... with a v-8. sometime around 2008</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you sure a full-size pickup? At Hyundai's press conference where they showed their future product lineup, a full-size wasn't on there. Instead, Hyundai has green-lighted a minivan.<p>I trust mega more when he says there won't be a V8, he is after all our Hyundai insider!

knicks125
03-21-2005, 09:26 AM
jberrer knows his stuff, i think, especially since he works for hyundai<p>actually i know this much, full size pickup trucks are going to happen, for both hyundia and kia <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>mega only said there wouldn't be a v8 in the tg, not these trucks, now everyone is pure speculating <p>EDIT: the hyundai conference they said they would have 7 new hyundai cars in 24 months, so that would only take them out to late 06, since the first introduction of Tucson in late 04...a truck in 08 is certaintly very possible, given the further developments of Hyundai<p>btw, there would also be luxury cars coming in 07 and later<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 11:49 AM 3/21/2005</i>

CarMattZu777
03-21-2005, 12:30 PM
I saw in Motor Trend that Hyundai is going big for their first truck, starting with a heavy duty model made with International Trucks. Sounds interesting.

megadethmartyr
03-21-2005, 01:26 PM
Don't believe anything about a truck till ground breaks in the states for a body on frame plant. All of the truck talk is mainly east coast dealers that have no idea what they're talking about. Hyundai makes logical decisions. A full size truck isn't one of them. Too much cost, way too soon. Hyundai had a memo about a year ago with their four year plan. There was mention of a truck at the time. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I would expect the luxury brand first. BTW, Hyundai makes a sweet V8. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-21-2005, 02:03 PM
mega is correct see bolded part in the article from Edmunds Insideline:<p>This is a link to the article, there is a picture worthwhile taking a peak <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105127#" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...5127#</A><p>Kia's Top U.S. Exec Sees Convertible, Trucks in his Product Line<br>Date Posted 03-18-2005<p>DETROIT  Every time Peter Butterfield, Kia Motors America's American president and CEO, travels to corporate in South Korea, he carries a wish list. That list includes more of Kia's popular models, new models including a convertibleand North American production, he told Inside Line.<p>Just getting more cars is top priority, Butterfield said. "We've been undersupplied on Sorentos, Rios and Spectras for the last year and a half."<p>He'd also like new models to fill in Kia's portfolio.<p>"On the car side, the only products we lack are a coupe or convertible," he said. "We think a convertible has a quicker opportunity to differentiate a brand and create an umbrella image. There are no plans in place right now [but] we've requested a convertible from KMC."<p>On the truck side, Butterfield sees even more potential for expanding Kia's range. Kia has shown two truck concepts in the past year  the Mojave pickup unveiled last year in Chicago, and the KCD-II Mesa in Detroit in January would take on the Chevrolet Tahoe and could accommodate a V8 engine.<p><B>Butterfield said Kia has no plans to produce either concept, in part because U.S. import duties on trucks would require the construction of a North American assembly plant to make the economics work.</B><p>"My positionis that we want North American production as soon as possible," Butterfield said.<p>What it means to you: If Kia brings more of its toys over for us to play with, our playground could be more crowded, but also much more fun.

t924
03-21-2005, 02:04 PM
hey Im new here...first kia would be the first to have a pickup. They made the pickup concept Mojave. I think it was 2years ago or something. Second Hyundai has a plant that could make pickups in Korea. Hyundai makes buses trucks in Korea, they have the ability and power to make pickups if they consider to produce pickups. But Hyundai is busy with improving their image. Kia probably more likely to have a pickup in their line.

knicks125
03-21-2005, 02:06 PM
good point there t924, and welcome <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I also agree with mega that hyundai will most likely bring their luxury lineup over here, as early as 2007 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

t924
03-21-2005, 04:59 PM
Hyundai is planning to bring luxury brand in 2007 but HMA thinks it's too early and they think it should be around 2010. In Korea you could see Hyundai is already planning. They're building Equus private dealership and plan to change it into their luxury dealership when their luxury brand launches. I think Hyundai is serious...They're building cars to compete with BMW 5series and they bought 2 Maybach from Germany and totally took out all the parts and studying the Maybach. I just hope the luxury brand doesn't end up like Lexus. I wish it would really compete withe the German cars all around the world.

knicks125
03-21-2005, 05:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t924</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hyundai is planning to bring luxury brand in 2007 but HMA thinks it's too early and they think it should be around 2010. In Korea you could see Hyundai is already planning. They're building Equus private dealership and plan to change it into their luxury dealership when their luxury brand launches. I think Hyundai is serious...They're building cars to compete with BMW 5series and they bought 2 Maybach from Germany and totally took out all the parts and studying the Maybach. I just hope the luxury brand doesn't end up like Lexus. I wish it would really compete withe the German cars all around the world.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>wow...sounds like they are very serious...thanks for the info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Rugbyplaya91
03-21-2005, 06:21 PM
i would be really sketchy about spending 300,000 for a hyundai, but if anybody can do it.. hyundai defiently can.<p>Finally maybach will have a compeator,, i hope they change the name though for the luxary brand.. to something that sounds really expensive

CarMattZu777
03-21-2005, 07:27 PM
I think the whole point of Hyundai teaming up with International Trucks is to use their US mfg facilities, I think Hyundai could get a truck pretty quickly with their help.

megadethmartyr
03-21-2005, 11:27 PM
The luxury brand EARLIEST arrival is 2010. You all need to slow down a bit. Hyundai is gwoing by leaps and bounds and has made the difference between it and other aisan competitors almost nil. However, it is still a a growth period. Hyundai is being extremely smart in how they approach this. The people iwth dollar signs in their eyes are the ones to avoid. THat would be why Hyundai isn't paying too much attention about the truck thing from the dealers. There is no need to do the unessisary.

deltaz
03-22-2005, 01:04 AM
A possible truck? A Hyundai luxury brand? Who would've thought that just within the last 5 years any of us would even have been conjuring the possibility of such a happening?<p>It really amazes me sometimes to see how far and fast this brand has turned itself around. Hyundai is definitely a brand to watch! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
03-22-2005, 06:38 AM
2010 is only 5 short years away. This means that the vehicles are in motion for engineering, and lead concepts for styling are happening. I wonder if Equus will be the brand name in the USA? Certainly is memorable.

megadethmartyr
03-22-2005, 10:47 AM
Not the brand name, the second car in the line up.

jberrer
03-22-2005, 03:25 PM
Hyundai's goal is to become a "tier 1" brand meaning it wants to produce a product that people aspire to own.

megadethmartyr
03-22-2005, 05:59 PM
Being tier 1 has been the goal since O'Neil took over and into Cosmai's term. Hyundai is just making sure it doens't put the cart before the horse. Keep in mind the pace they are on to being a tier 1 brand is roughly 10 years faster than what Toyota or Honda did it in. They're doin it right.

mzoltarp
03-23-2005, 07:08 AM
Megadeth: You said 2nd car in the line up for the Lux division. What's the first to be? Has anyone heard names for the new division?

knicks125
03-23-2005, 07:13 AM
In its home market, Equus & Dynasty are defn. considered as luxury cars, and Grandeur/XG/TG can be considered as a premium sedan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-23-2005, 02:59 PM
THe first in the line up will be a TG derived car. It will basically be a jacked up TG (Power and refinement, and toys!)

knicks125
03-23-2005, 03:23 PM
<B>Azera it is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </B><p>Press Release Source: Hyundai Motor America <p><B>A Graceful New Beginning - Hyundai Rolls Out the Amazing All-New Azera Flagship Sedan</B><p>Wednesday March 23, 5:00 pm ET <p>NEW YORK, March 23 /PRNewswire/ -- Most automakers have a flagship model that represents their best efforts in style, sophistication, safety and performance. Hyundai is in a unique position as their existing flagship sedan, the XG350, is stepping aside to let an all-new sedan take the lead -- the elegant 2006 Hyundai Azera.<p>As Shakespeare said, "What's in a name?" In this instance, the name -- Azera -- provides a glimpse of what makes this sedan so special. The word "Azera" is meant to evoke a feeling consistent with Hyundai's new global brand slogan, Drive your way(TM). Its construction derives from the phrase: "the era of A to Z." The name Azera also recalls the French word "azure" -- the color of blue skies, an optimistic color that reflects Hyundai's focus on the future.<p>"The Azera is the third of seven all-new or redesigned Hyundai vehicles to be launched in a 24-month period, completely revamping the Hyundai lineup," said Robert F. Cosmai, president and CEO of Hyundai Motor America. "Azera will earn distinction for segment-leading standard safety features, refined styling, and content that is generally reserved for higher-priced luxury sedans."<p>From the first glimpse of the Azera, it is clear that this is an extraordinary sedan. The graceful lines are aerodynamically efficient, reducing wind noise while still ensuring a spacious cabin. The dramatic roofline and rear quarter set the Azera apart from other sedans in this class. All together, it is a well-balanced design that pays homage to the other Hyundai models in the line-up while also forging new ground.<p>"The Azera is sleek and modern, which are becoming signature Hyundai design characteristics," said Cosmai. "The Azera's well-designed exterior matched with the ergonomic and feature-rich interior really captures the essence of the new generation of Hyundai vehicles."<p>On the road, the Azera delivers spirited performance, thanks to an all-new, all-aluminum 3.8-liter V6 engine under the hood that delivers an estimated 265 horsepower, more standard horsepower than the Ford Five Hundred and the Buick LaCrosse. This engine is also environmentally friendly, as it is projected to achieve Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) certification levels. This high-tech V6 comes teamed with a five-speed automatic transmission with Shiftronic manual control. Its road manners are well-honed, with responsive four-wheel independent suspension featuring double-wishbone front suspension and multi-link rear suspension, all riding on alloy wheels. Clearly, the Azera has the hardware to go wheel-to-wheel with the competition.<p>Moving to the interior, the Azera is the most luxurious Hyundai to ever grace the highway. The interior appointments rival the finest premium brands, and it offers amenities befitting a flagship model, such as dual-zone climate control; an electronic tilt and telescopic steering column; an integrated memory system for the driver's seat, outside mirrors, steering column and foot pedals; a power rear sunshade; rain-sensing windshield wipers; and sumptuous leather seating surfaces.<p>The Azera also rewards the driver with an available Infinity audio system featuring a 7-channel, 315-watt digital amplifier, 10 speakers and a subwoofer, speed-sensitive volume, steering-wheel-mounted audio controls, and an in-dash 6-disc CD auto-changer.<p>To further enhance its luxury appeal, the Azera's interior is tastefully appointed with attractive woodgrain trim and distinctive metal accent pieces.<p>Compared to the 2005 XG350, the all-new Azera is longer, wider and rides on a wheelbase stretched 1.1 inches over the XG350. The interior also benefits from the increased exterior dimensions, as it is larger than its predecessor, and has more interior room than the BMW 760i and Mercedes-Benz S-Class.<p>Available in Hyundai dealerships later this fall, the 2006 Azera offers buyers the best value in the segment with a segment-leading list of standard safety features including ESC (Electronic Stability Control) with traction control; ABS with EBD (Electronic Brake Distribution), front dual active headrests, and a total of eight airbags -- advanced dual front airbags, front and rear seat-mounted side-impact airbags, roof-mounted side curtain airbags for both front and rear outboard seat occupants.<p>"The XG350 has been an exemplary sedan," said Robert Cosmai, president and CEO of Hyundai Motor America. "And this all-new Azera takes luxury appointments and personal comfort to a whole new level of sophistication. In addition, it continues to offer the roominess and luxury of cars costing much more and delivers on Hyundai's promise of superior value," he added.<p>The XG was first introduced for the 2001 model year as the XG300. For the 2002 model year, the engine displacement was increased from 3.0-liters up to 3.5-liters, and as a result the XG300 became the XG350. For the 2006 model year, the engineers started with a clean sheet, so rather than an evolutionary face-lift of the XG, the Azera is a fresh new vehicle from the tires up, hence the new name affirming its fresh start.<p>As with every vehicle Hyundai sells in the U.S., every 2006 Azera comes equipped with The Hyundai Advantage, America's Best Warranty, a package that reflects Hyundai's confidence in the quality of its products.<p>The Hyundai Advantage includes limited bumper-to-bumper coverage for five years or 60,000 miles, which exceeds the coverage on many cars costing more than twice as much. In addition, Azera buyers receive 24-hour roadside assistance coverage at no extra charge for five years (no mileage limit) and that service includes emergency towing, lockout service and limited coverage for trip-interruption expenses.<p>Hyundai also provides Azera buyers with industry-leading limited powertrain coverage -- 10 years or 100,000 miles -- and that coverage remains in effect when ownership of the car is transferred to other family members. Even if the car is sold, Hyundai backs Azera's powertrain for five years or 60,000 miles. Anti-perforation coverage is provided for seven years/unlimited miles. There is no deductible on any of these coverages.<p>Hyundai Motor America, headquartered in Fountain Valley, Calif., is a subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Co. of Korea. Hyundai cars and sport utility vehicles are distributed throughout the United States by Hyundai Motor America and are sold and serviced through more than 660 dealerships nationwide.<p><A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050323/law072_3.html" TARGET="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050323/law072_3.html</A><p>Pics should be coming soon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

jberrer
03-23-2005, 07:12 PM
Great, I have been digging all afternoon to find anything on the azera. BTW rumor is that the equous will make it to our shores in approx 3 yrs. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
03-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Waiting for you guys to figure it out and gave up<p><A HREF="http://www.hyundaiazera.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hyundaiazera.com</A>/<p>reminds me of the Elantra actually

Gobias
03-23-2005, 09:34 PM
<A HREF="http://www.hyundaiazera.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hyundaiazera.com</A>

Bullsfan
03-23-2005, 09:47 PM
Hi I'm new here. I heard that all Hyundai vehicles were going to have XM Satellite standard for the '06 models! Here's a link.<br><A HREF="http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/23/0323autofacescan04.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/....html</A><p>Also, I found an interesting article about Hyundai's rise to success and the Japanese being worried about them.<br><A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-03-22-korean-cars-usat_x.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/money/...x.htm</A><br>

Andre
03-23-2005, 09:47 PM
You posted that 5 minutes after I did... did you read the thread??

Gobias
03-23-2005, 09:56 PM
Sorry, I had this page on stand by as I was using my second browser on the Hyundai website. As soon as I saw the link to the Azera page, I felt an urge to post it. Sorry to repeat what has already been done.

Andre
03-23-2005, 10:10 PM
No prob, just waking people in general up. thanks for the link anyway :-D

alexr15
03-24-2005, 06:09 AM
So, are xenons or navi gonna be optional or not? because I don't see them on the Azera site.

knicks125
03-24-2005, 06:15 AM
Navi - yes<br>Xenon - not sure, probably

knicks125
03-24-2005, 06:31 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/03/24/biz/b024-hyundai-0324n.jpg_03-24-2005_6C512F5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Article - <A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/24/E01-127455.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/au...5.htm</A></B><p><I>Source: The Detroit News</I>

knicks125
03-24-2005, 08:26 AM
thanks for the name change (to the thread) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
03-24-2005, 08:26 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/azera/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/azera/images/2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: autoweek

knicks125
03-24-2005, 10:28 AM
Source: Wieck/Autodeadline<p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032440566_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032436240_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200503/WKA2005032436221_pv.jpg" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-24-2005, 10:30 AM
this car looks too good to be Fwd :)

knicks125
03-24-2005, 10:34 AM
I want one with AWD & also a V8 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> lol<p>Azera GT <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but this should compete well, Hyundai can defn. meet their sales target for this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

AXIS
03-24-2005, 10:47 AM
Hmm looks like a <b>SUPERSIZED</b> Elantra

knicks125
03-24-2005, 11:00 AM
more like a sonata since it's based on one

Andre
03-24-2005, 11:05 AM
Actually, I agree with the Elantra statement, not that that's a bad thing.<br>Just because it's based upon the Sonata doesn't mean it looks like it, I mean, how much does the Avalon look like the Camry?