PDA

View Full Version : Vel Satis phase II


ll0ll
03-01-2005, 03:13 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/1129/vs19dx.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/4654/vs24lj.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/5615/vs38oz.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/1586/vs42ub.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.media.renault.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.media.renault.com</A>

Gian86
03-01-2005, 03:18 AM
Much better improved car than orginal Vel Satis because it was ugly. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

ll0ll
03-01-2005, 03:32 AM
2 bigger pics:<br><A HREF="http://img196.exs.cx/img196/5489/vsg17qk.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img196.exs.cx/img196/5489/vsg17qk.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img196.exs.cx/img196/4219/vsg20nu.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img196.exs.cx/img196/4219/vsg20nu.jpg</A>

Reppu
03-01-2005, 04:47 AM
To me the front is definitely better, even with only those subtle changes. The problem with this car, and that cannot be solved, is that the roof is too tall with respect the belt line and the rear glass/boot shape.<p>It uses the same i-drive style controls than the facelifted Laguna.

mzoltarp
03-01-2005, 06:10 AM
We can only hope that Renault has enough sense not to inflict this level of "style" on the Nissans sold in the USA.

Santeno
03-01-2005, 09:56 AM
"There was an old lady who lived in a shoe..."<p>I guess now we know what she drove as well...

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 10:11 AM
thaught it was a bmw x3

Tidal
03-01-2005, 12:36 PM
No restyling could ever undo the Vel Satis awkward shape. Still, i thought that they would change the front more. I always found it to be very inconsistent with the roundness of the rear, but i guess the investment wasn't worth it...

Andrey
03-01-2005, 06:02 PM
Ive always considered Vel Satis beautiful car....<br>It's just hard to understand for average person...<br>IMO it's so stylish!

Krypton
03-01-2005, 06:41 PM
It looks different but not too ugly. It does look like a shoe though and didnt we have a member that claimed he was driving this

Santeno
03-02-2005, 09:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andrey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ive always considered Vel Satis beautiful car.... It's just hard to understand for average person... IMO it's so stylish!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sorry man, but this is exactly the kind of stylistic elitism that designers and artists try to shove down the throats of consumerist sheep. the funny thing is that in some cases (especially in those in which the product shares an established perception of social status or upward mobility) people actually accept the poor design (most likely because they are accepting the other qualities that come with it and not the design itself). However, when the product lacks other desireable qualities or valid alternatives exist, people tend to see the design for what it is (regardless of what designers and artists claim), which is poor styling. I'm sorry, but as with the styling of recent bavarian vehicles this is another case of the emperor wearing no clothes.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didnt we have a member that claimed he was driving this</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah he was 13 years old and loved to pollute the forum with false claims. He is no longer a member.

syclone
03-02-2005, 02:58 PM
I miss the old grille, but other than that I like it. I don't think this car is a beauty to anyone the first time they see it, but it grows on you. I do think the back of the Megane is much better executed, however there is more interplay going on with the lines there.

bolita
03-02-2005, 03:08 PM
Well I guess that the AMC Pacer & Gremlin are by o means the ugliest cars ever made now twice over!!!!!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Now, IMO the Toledo closely follows the Vel Saltis in ugliness!

spwolf
03-02-2005, 05:14 PM
why do they still try? Sales were horrible, it stopped selling in most countries last year...<br>

ll0ll
03-04-2005, 04:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Sorry man, but this is exactly the kind of stylistic elitism that designers and artists try to shove down the throats of consumerist sheep. the funny thing is that in some cases (especially in those in which the product shares an established perception of social status or upward mobility) people actually accept the poor design (most likely because they are accepting the other qualities that come with it and not the design itself). However, when the product lacks other desireable qualities or valid alternatives exist, people tend to see the design for what it is (regardless of what designers and artists claim), which is poor styling. I'm sorry, but as with the styling of recent bavarian vehicles this is another case of the emperor wearing no clothes.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The vel satis lacks some desireable qualities of valid alternatives, and in thats why people tend to see the design for poor styling?<br>This all is from the perspective: your car, which is an bmw, i am right?<br>So everyone who wants to drive a car other than bmw and which has a design which is other than a bmw is lacking desireable qualities and valid alternatives?

Santeno
03-04-2005, 09:42 AM
you totally misread that. what I was trying to say is that poor styling or design is poor styling or design no matter what brand name it wears or what snobby "artists" or marketing people say. I find this to be especially true when those very people use the argument that "you just don't understand", as if by "understanding" would suddenly make the design appealing to consumers (who BTW are the target for purchasing these designs).<p>My point is that people sometimes overlook design deficiencies, because the product has other qualities that make it appealing. For example, as with BMW's recent crop of vehicles, there are quite a few people who are not thrilled with the styling direction BMW has taken, but who would none-the-less purchase one, because of BMW's high fun-to-drive ratio, relative high quality, and perception of status. The velsatis lacks enough strong alternate apealing features to get consumers to look past it's styling akwardness. BTW, this applies to many products, not just cars.

Megane23
03-09-2005, 07:57 AM
Now I am not so sure that this car does not have any qualities, Iam pretty confinced that either consumers don`t understand the product, or it`s just ahead of it`s time. True the car isn`t a racer like a BMW or an Audi, it is more a comfort car like a Mercedes, with a lot more room and and a smaller price. A Mercedes still looks fast, even its more a comforter, the VelSatis doesn`t look fast, it looks like a comfortable car, I think thats why peole don`t want to buy it, because it`s styling really tells you a lot about the product your buying. Also I guess that most people don`t want a car they relate with a trait that is associated with old people, being relaxed and wanting as much comfort and peace of mind as possible. My oppinion, the car is great inside and very nice to drive if you want a cruiser, plus it really gives you a feeling of saveness, with the high driving position, but since people don`t like it, one cant buy it, cause you will never get rid of it without loosing money like crazy, too bad and nice try Renault

r3vilo
03-09-2005, 11:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gian05</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Much better improved car than orginal Vel Satis because it was ugly. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>was ugly?????????<br>lol......i think the new grille is much nicer, but I think they could have done a bit more with the headlamps......but along with the vauxhall signum, I really couldn't see the point of an executive/luxury hatch back <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Blackraven
03-10-2005, 01:47 AM
Change that rear!<p>What's with that unstylish rear??? I don't get it.<p>If their using the Nissan-Renault C Platform, then how come they can't do the rear correctly?<p><br>I mean, if you compare this to a Nissan Tiida Sport hatchback, which car would have the better rear?<p>Perhaps not just the rear but the overall exterior design. Which car would look better?

ll0ll
03-10-2005, 02:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Change that rear!<p>What's with that unstylish rear??? I don't get it.<p>If their using the Nissan-Renault C Platform, then how come they can't do the rear correctly?<p><br>I mean, if you compare this to a Nissan Tiida Sport hatchback, which car would have the better rear?<p>Perhaps not just the rear but the overall exterior design. Which car would look better?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>?? What has platform to do with design?? Do you think de saab 9-3 looks like the opel vectra? I dont think so, and they share their platform. Platform has nothing to do with design.<br>Besides, Vel Satis doesnt use the c-platform

Spock
03-14-2005, 05:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why do they still try? Sales were horrible, it stopped selling in most countries last year...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>According to Autoexpress there will be no more right hand models.<p>Link : <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=54969" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?...54969</A>

Hornbag
03-14-2005, 06:14 AM
I have always liked this car...i dont know why, but i just do. I wish i could c it in real life tho...

r3vilo
03-14-2005, 01:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have always liked this car...i dont know why, but i just do. I wish i could c it in real life tho...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>believe me, it's very disappointing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">