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spannersuk
02-26-2005, 06:42 AM
Just had this months CAR magazine (UK) drop through the door with 3 pages of official IS250 pictures. It looks amazing watch out BMW Merc et al. Exterior sleek with a unique style (handsome unique not challenging unique) Interior is an interesting mix of wood and aluminium not my cup of tea lets hope there will be a choice of all aluminium or at least a black wood. This should shake up the compact executive class a bit. Just wish I had a scanner.

The Water Is Poison
02-26-2005, 07:03 AM
can you scan it?

Top Secret
02-26-2005, 07:08 AM
Read his post buddy - he said himself he didn't have a scanner. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 07:26 AM
wonder what month this issue is, most likely March or April

Chickpig
02-26-2005, 07:28 AM
Take photos with a camera and post post post!

VVTL-I
02-26-2005, 07:50 AM
I just went out and looked for that magazine, no luck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> .............I need to find someone with it, if so then I will take some pics..

against the wall
02-26-2005, 08:38 AM
and u cant find it on car magazine's site cuz they havent updated it since their november issue <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
02-26-2005, 08:38 AM
OOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGG! BEAUTIFUL!<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.aidanjpadden.clara.net/img/newis/newis3.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.aidanjpadden.clara.net/img/newis/newis2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.aidanjpadden.clara.net/img/newis/newis1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

against the wall
02-26-2005, 08:40 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>thats all i can say

spwolf
02-26-2005, 08:59 AM
looks damn cool to me!

T.B.
02-26-2005, 08:59 AM
Nice and sleek design, more agressive than current one, but nothing special. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I've expected a bit bolder and more exciting design - like of current Lexus concept cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Certainly <B>NOT</B> worth of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> or <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">. Definitely of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> , but nothing more.

spwolf
02-26-2005, 09:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice and sleek design, more agressive than current one, but nothing special. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I've expected a bit bolder and more exciting design - like of current Lexus concept cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Certainly <B>NOT</B> worth of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> or <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">. Definitely of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> , but nothing more. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>you certainly cant see the lines clearly, probably because phone camera shots and magazine folding itself... Nevertheless, without being offensive, it looks bolder and more exciting than new 3 series... by far :-).

Krypton
02-26-2005, 09:08 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> This thing looks even more amazing than the first IS which is a feat itself

T.B.
02-26-2005, 09:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>you certainly cant see the lines clearly, probably because phone camera shots and magazine folding itself... Nevertheless, without being offensive, it looks bolder and more exciting than new 3 series... by far :-).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>To each its own. I like 3er more. <br>Lines are very much exposed. The prominent and sharp shoulder line ala BMW 1er is clearly seen. As they are sharper hood lines / creases ala 3er.<br>It's nice and aggressive design, but I've expected much more. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Chickpig, what the article in Car mag says about 2006 IS' engines and other new features?

Chickpig
02-26-2005, 09:12 AM
i don't have the mag, its just photos floating around other forums. clublexus, is300.net etc.

SV
02-26-2005, 09:38 AM
well, i can't judge too well from the pictures, but from what i can see it looks good; i can't wait for better pictures.<p>also, i'm in the USA, and i go to barnes & noble to get my CAR, but they still only have the january issue <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> maybe they've stopped getting them, but i really want to get this issue when it comes here!

spwolf
02-26-2005, 10:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>To each its own. I like 3er more. <br>Lines are very much exposed. The prominent and sharp shoulder line ala BMW 1er is clearly seen. As they are sharper hood lines / creases ala 3er.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sorry, but Toyota's have had "prominent sharp" should lines for a long time now... from Celica, Rav4, even current Corolla has it (5 door)... IS looks nothing like an BMW, and personally it is much better that way :-).<p>As evolution of design, this IS is much stronger evolution that what BMW did with 3 series and is certainly more daring design. Obviously you are ok with conservative approach to 3 series, so I dont know why you then expect Lexus to make IS concept-like outrageous...

nismo
02-26-2005, 10:14 AM
Not bad... good job Lexus. I like the body of the car and the rear. I'm not really sure about the headlights and the foglights but besides that a nice redesign... it actually looks like a luxury car now. I think the 3er looks just as good outside but this actually has a nicer interior.<p>I hope they made the bumpers more durable, because the current IS crumples up in any accident and is extremely pricey to repair..

VVTL-I
02-26-2005, 10:30 AM
I will reserve judgement until I see some decent photos of it, so far it looks somewhat like what I expected..

Krypton
02-26-2005, 10:49 AM
Correct me if im wrong but didnt the first IS/Altezza create the clear tailights, then why doesnt this have them even though this looks better without them

Charger
02-26-2005, 10:51 AM
am I the only one that cant see the pics?

Krypton
02-26-2005, 10:52 AM
no, i cant see them either, but they were working before

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 10:57 AM
i can't see it<p>you should know how painful this is for me.

Charger
02-26-2005, 10:58 AM
I found the pics(at least I think these are the same ones)<br> <IMG SRC="http://tinypic.com/1y3i3r" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://tinypic.com/1y3i85" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://tinypic.com/1y3i9i" BORDER="0"> <br>source: CAR<p>I like it so far but I need better pics

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 10:59 AM
well that is the most beautiful thing<p>The headlights are very similar to the concept<p>It has some clues from the GS too; it's perfect<p>the interior looks beautiful and i am so happy it has dual exhaust<p>can you subscribe to CAR magazine in the USA? does the magazine have a lot of these official pictures before they are revealed? is it worth it? what's their website?<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 10:05 AM 2/26/2005</i>

knihc2008
02-26-2005, 11:04 AM
looks kind of odd. interior looks like they took a GX interior and put it in; not to take anything away from the GX interior but its definitely not sports sedan design. the back is nice. the sides a little plain. but that front looks awfully weird. the only thing i can see it has in common is are the front side air dams. that's it!

JBlair
02-26-2005, 11:05 AM
Its a surprisingly odd amalgamation of GS, LFS and LFC. The front is almost too bland, while the rear is the worst rip-off of the BMW 5 series that could be imagined. From what I can make out of the interior, it looks a lot like a cross between thew new Ford Fusion and the old Mazda Protege; that is to say, not original. The 3er is definitely better than this from what we can see so far. Too bad Lexus didn't go all the way..........

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 11:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lexus Fans mom!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You're going to get grounded for 2 weeks at least. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>what?<p>anyways...the taillights are kind of expected from the sketch in the spy shots section

knihc2008
02-26-2005, 11:17 AM
the more i look at the back, the more it screams corolla and ES to me. ughh.

syclone
02-26-2005, 11:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i can't see it<p>you should know how painful this is for me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>not nearly as painful as actually looking at the hideous car in the pictures. what the heck happend to lexus, i used to love their designs, but for me its been all downhill since the new sc

T.B.
02-26-2005, 11:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>As evolution of design, this IS is much stronger evolution that what BMW did with 3 series and is certainly more daring design. Obviously you are ok with conservative approach to 3 series, so I dont know why you then expect Lexus to make IS concept-like outrageous...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>New BMW 3-series design a conservative approach??? Sorry, but I don't think so. Now when 3-sereis comes without "controversial" trunk lid opening ala 5, 6 & 7-series that makes it conservatve? Com'n ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Please look at the pics below and you'll see a very dynamic yet mature design that btw looks much sleeker than the new IS. New IS is kind a bloated (like a new GS) ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.sportbilen.se/bilder/bildspel/bmw3serien/bmw3serie001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.sportbilen.se/bilde...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/9.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/9.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/12.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/12.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/16.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/16.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/23.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/23.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/29.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/29.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/30.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/30.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/33.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/33.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/38.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/38.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/45.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/45.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/45.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopower.se/prov/3serien/bilder/46.jpg</A><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 2:21 AM 2/27/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 11:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>New BMW 3-series design a conservative approach??? Sorry, but I don't think so. Now when 3-sereis comes without "controversial" trunk lid opening ala 5, 6 & 7-series that makes it conservatve? Com'n ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Please look at the pics below and you'll see a very dynamic yet mature design that btw looks much sleeker than the new IS. New IS is kind a bloated (like a new GS) ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>it is conservative b/c there are not drastic changes like the IS<p>personally I don't think the 7 series and 5 series are as bad as people make it out to seem in regards to design...I personally really like the design of the 6<p>

Tidal
02-26-2005, 11:40 AM
That's nothing special really. It looks better than most Lexus do, but again, imo, that's not too difficult. An overall pleasant shape, the profile and back somehow reminds me of the Mazda3, and the front is the way the GS should have looked like. Was expecting ( much ) more.

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 11:41 AM
what does the altezza look like? is that the european version of the IS?

T.B.
02-26-2005, 11:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>it is conservative b/c there are not drastic changes like the IS<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, the evolution / changes might be a bit less drastic in comparison to IS evolution, but that doesn't qualify an E90 design as conservative. No way! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>When you'll see E90 beside E46 in person, you'll realize the change is quite drastic. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 11:45 AM
conservative means that it is not drastic or risky and that is what happened w/ the 3 series...i wouldn't say it is a bad move, it just is<p>I am not bashing it b/c I think that 3 series does so well that it would have been stupid to drastically change it. However, I do kind of wish that it was more drastic so it could be a little bit more interesting, personally

krampits
02-26-2005, 11:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>New BMW 3-series design a conservative approach??? Sorry, but I don't think so. Now when 3-sereis comes without "controversial" trunk lid opening ala 5, 6 & 7-series that makes it conservatve? Com'n ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Please look at the pics below and you'll see a very dynamic yet mature design that btw looks much sleeker than the new IS. New IS is kind a bloated (like a new GS) ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>What's wrong with you people? If the new IS had borrowed something of the design of other opponents, (like 3 series or A4), everybody would say that lexus cheated. They created something new and fresh and you say that you like others designs better. Well, nobody asked you to buy the new IS. If you like the 3er better, go ahead and buy it. You can do nothing to persuade anyone here that his or her taste about car designs are not good. <br>Personally I think that the new IS has its own personality. Something that other manufacturers designs lacks of.<br>

VVTL-I
02-26-2005, 11:50 AM
Tail lights are very similar to the new Mazda 3 5-door.

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>What's wrong with you people? If the new IS had borrowed something of the design of other opponents, (like 3 series or A4), everybody would say that lexus cheated. They created something new and fresh and you say that you like others designs better. Well, nobody asked you to buy the new IS. If you like the 3er better, go ahead and buy it. You can do nothing to persuade anyone here that his or her taste about car designs are not good. <br>Personally I think that the new IS has its own personality. Something that other manufacturers designs lacks of.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I agree. Bravo.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
02-26-2005, 11:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's wrong with you people? If the new IS had borrowed something of the design of other opponents, (like 3 series or A4), everybody would say that lexus cheated. They created something new and fresh and you say that you like others designs better. Well, nobody asked you to buy the new IS. If you like the 3er better, go ahead and buy it. You can do nothing to persuade anyone here that his or her taste about car designs are not good. <br>Personally I think that the new IS has its own personality. Something that other manufacturers designs lacks of.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Overall design is reminiscent of all new BMWs (especially since this car is almost a carbon copy of the GS). We're criticizing because we can, and because Lexus can do better.

VVTL-I
02-26-2005, 12:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree. Bravo.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I am with you on that one.......... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

VVTL-I
02-26-2005, 12:07 PM
No matter where you go, you will always find Lexus haters. That's just the way it is, lots of folks out there just don't think that the top Japenese makers can design and engineer cars capable of competing with the Europeans, not that there is anything wrong with that.

krampits
02-26-2005, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Overall design is reminiscent of all new BMWs (especially since this car is almost a carbon copy of the GS). We're criticizing because we can, and because Lexus can do better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I totally disagree with you. If you ask me, every manufacturer can do better. If the design is reminiscent of all new BMWs, then what you can say about SAAB or VOLVO ? After all, a car isn't only a design. It's a machine that is supposed to do its job. BMW is one of the manufacturers that has serious problems creating machines that do their job. For me it's more important to give me a dependable product than giving me a good design.

JBlair
02-26-2005, 12:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I totally disagree with you. If you ask me, every manufacturer can do better. If the design is reminiscent of all new BMWs, then what you can say about SAAB or VOLVO ? After all, a car isn't only a design. It's a machine that is supposed to do its job. BMW is one of the manufacturers that has serious problems creating machines that do their job. For me it's more important to give me a dependable product than giving me a good design.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Examples please.........

krampits
02-26-2005, 12:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Examples please.........</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Examples of what?<br>If you meen about dependability, you just have to read some of the surveys out there...

VVTL-I
02-26-2005, 12:17 PM
1 question, what did the magazine say regarding engine specs? Surely it must have said something........... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Tman2
02-26-2005, 12:32 PM
The profile reminds me of a 4-door Scion Tc, paritcularly the C-pillar and the plain doors. The front bumper is kind of weak to me. Too reminiscent of BMW M-series bumpers. The rear is very 5-series... maybe its the combination of the cut of the tailights, the separate reflector, and the dual tailpipes. Overall, not as good as it could've been, but thankfully, not nearly as hideous as the LF-C I think this IS could really benefit from some side skirts.

krampits
02-26-2005, 12:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VVTL-I</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1 question, what did the magazine say regarding engine specs? Surely it must have said something........... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here in EU they had the IS200 kompressor that produced about 200 HP. I really hope they bring it again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
02-26-2005, 12:51 PM
well, before i said this looks great, and i still think so; but the headlights are bugging me a little. i just wish they could have made the inner edge parallel to the shape of the grille. oh well, this should be a great car anyway.

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 01:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here in EU they had the IS200 kompressor that produced about 200 HP. I really hope they bring it again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>all toyota inline 6 engines will be phased out in favour of V6s; just the way it is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
02-26-2005, 01:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Here in EU they had the IS200 kompressor that produced about 200 HP. I really hope they bring it again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>uhh ..<br>that was a Aftermarked TTE .. thing (215hp) <p>

KebabGud
02-26-2005, 01:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Correct me if im wrong but didnt the first IS/Altezza create the clear tailights, then why doesnt this have them even though this looks better without them</TD></TR></TABLE><br>because Toyota did not patent it.. so every ricer on the planet copied it..<br>its no fun anymore<br>(the bigges mistake Toyota ever did was to not take a patent on those..)<br>it looks like ****t on any cars other then the IS, Mazda6 and RX-8

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 01:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because Toyota did not patent it.. so every ricer on the planet copied it..<br>its no fun anymore<br>(the bigges mistake Toyota ever did was to not take a patent on those..)<br>it looks like ****t on any cars other then the IS, Mazda6 and RX-8</TD></TR></TABLE><p> its kinda hard to patent a design, just like how all companys have similar headlamp structure/designs

krampits
02-26-2005, 01:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>uhh ..<br>that was a Aftermarked TTE .. thing (215hp) <p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes it was. But in some countries it was placed by the delegators and they were giving you full waranty for that.

nismo
02-26-2005, 01:48 PM
I like how theres suppose to be 2 engines this time around (IS250/350). The base model shouldn't cost anymore than the current model (IS300)... <p>Wow, with this the New 3er, updated A4, and the updated G35 theres going to be stiff competition.

KebabGud
02-26-2005, 01:56 PM
there is 3 engines... (at first) <p>Naga Royal Guard: true.. but look at lotus.. they have patetnt on there designs.<p>Lexus Fan's mom!: Funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 02:00 PM
i agree, seems like automotive design is give and take, some offenders and offences more obvious than others; one big happy family :)

scorpio14
02-26-2005, 04:03 PM
WOW the car looks good...cant wait to see better pictures...BUT i dont know about the boot...it look VERY small...<p>The CAR magazine is also sold here in Australia...but i dont know when itll get here... i went to the Newsagency and they only have the January issue...i guess i'll have to wait a month or two<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scorpio14 at 12:07 AM 2/27/2005</i>

anonms
02-26-2005, 04:54 PM
It seems like a big collision of cues from Lexus cars and concepts. The rear windows kick up slightly, like the current IS and the shape kinda looks like that of the GS'. There's a bit of LF-C in the bumper.<p>If you look closely at the taillamps, it kinda flattens out near the license plate, kinda like that of the GS and RX as opposed to the Mazda3.

spwolf
02-26-2005, 05:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Overall design is reminiscent of all new BMWs (especially since this car is almost a carbon copy of the GS). We're criticizing because we can, and because Lexus can do better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>huh? they all do have 4 wheels but lets not overdo it... It looks nothing like BMW, Lexus's have very smooth lines while new beemeers have very sharp angles. GS looks nothing like 5 series nor does this IS look like 3 series.<p>New 3 series has Daewoo Lanos back lights, which is far easier to notice (i think they might be even interchangable) than some weird Lexus-BMW theory...<p>There is nothing wrong with criticism, but you have to base it on something, not just say it for the sake of saying it.<p>p.s. so far, we are sure of 2 extra engines for Europe - IS200, and IS220d (180hp, 400nm).

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 05:11 PM
IS 200 and IS 250 in europe?

T.B.
02-26-2005, 05:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VVTL-I</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No matter where you go, you will always find Lexus haters. That's just the way it is, lots of folks out there just don't think that the top Japenese makers can design and engineer cars capable of competing with the Europeans, not that there is anything wrong with that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not a Lexus hater. I'm just quite disapponted in Lexus. I've expected much more after LF- series of concept cars had been shown. The same happened when Audi Novulari was shown, but the production cars (A6, A4, A3 SB) were too bland. Lexus had an opportunity to come out with outsanding, bold and daring designs, but missed it. The same happened with Audi. Sorry to say, but IMO BMW and MB are way ahead in design language again, with Cadillac very close behind the German duo.<p>Yes, Lexus, Acura, Masseratti, Audi, Alfa Romeo etc. are very beautiful designs but they are not bold and daring, IMHO. <p>And the future is of the bold ones. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 1:37 AM 2/27/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 05:39 PM
BMW's success is undeniable, as much as the designs rub alot of people the wrong way, they sell - someone noted the 7 series overtaking the heavily rebated S classe in germany ( one facelift ahead too), if that isnt a proof of their new formula, i cant say anything really is.

Tidal
02-26-2005, 05:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IS 200 and IS 250 in europe?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>For what i've read, IS250, IS350 and IS220 Diesel, a new 2.2l 180hp engine to be presented in geneva in it's final form.

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 05:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For what i've read, IS250, IS350 and IS220 Diesel, a new 2.2l 180hp engine to be presented in geneva in it's final form.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>yeah, that was my understanding as well, not sure about the 250 or 220 in the US tho, but 325s are everywhere and that is the cited target

Flagship
02-26-2005, 06:02 PM
Im guessing the 3.5 l IS 350 engine will be the same as Japans GS 350 3.5 l engine, but with less hp. Something tells me that Lexus will make a performance IS or IS 460 GT in the future.<p>Please do not insult Lexus Fan because of his views on Lexus because when you insult him you are also insulting me. <br>

T.B.
02-26-2005, 06:02 PM
The problem of not enough daring and bold design is that it won't last long enough. Cars have a 5-7 year long life-cycle. Manufacturers have to design cars that will look fresh and bold even in 4 years. Why? The answer:<br>Even more and more manufacturers are aiming at more luxury and performance. Even VW, Fiat, Ford, Renault, Citroen etc. are putting wood and other high qualitative materials in their cars and equipping them with latest hi-tech features and performance engines. So the luxury brands (MB, BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Lexus etc.) have to bring out (beside hi-tech, qualitative materials and performance engines) long-lasting daring and bold designs to differantiate themselves more from the luxury wannabies. And here some luxury brands have been less successful than others. Some companies have just seen further in the future than others. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 2:12 AM 2/27/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 06:06 PM
bravo...thanks FLAGSHIP GT

krampits
02-26-2005, 06:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The problem of not enough daring and bold design is that it won't last long enough. Cars have a 5-7 year long life-cycle. Manufacturers have to design cars that will look fresh and bold even in 4 years. Why? The answer:<br>Even more and more manufacturers are aiming at more luxury and performance. Even VW, Fiat, Ford, Renault, Citroen etc. are putting wood and other high qualitative materials in their cars and equipping them with latest hi-tech features and performance engines. So the luxury brands (MB, BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Lexus etc.) have to bring out (beside hi-tech, qualitative materials and performance engines) long-lasting daring and bold designs to differantiate themselves more from the luxury wannabies. And here some luxury brands have been less successful than others. Some companies have just seen further in the future than others. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Tine at 2:12 AM 2/27/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>A new car design, as well said, should last 5-7 years. But, BMW has overall the same design for the 3 series for about 10 years. How much longer will it last ???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 06:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>A new car design, as well said, should last 5-7 years. But, BMW has overall the same design for the 3 series for about 10 years. How much longer will it last ???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well-stated...that's exactly what i was thinking<p>it has basically had the same design for the past 10 years...it's not a bad design...it's just old and worn out i think...it's nothing special

spwolf
02-26-2005, 06:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The problem of not enough daring and bold design is that it won't last long enough. Cars have a 5-7 year long life-cycle. Manufacturers have to design cars that will look fresh and bold even in 4 years. Why? The answer:<br>Even more and more manufacturers are aiming at more luxury and performance. Even VW, Fiat, Ford, Renault, Citroen etc. are putting wood and other high qualitative materials in their cars and equipping them with latest hi-tech features and performance engines. So the luxury brands (MB, BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Lexus etc.) have to bring out (beside hi-tech, qualitative materials and performance engines) long-lasting daring and bold designs to differantiate themselves more from the luxury wannabies. And here some luxury brands have been less successful than others. Some companies have just seen further in the future than others. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Tine at 2:12 AM 2/27/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>First of all - I dont agree with you at all, and I dont think you agree with yourself either. You say you like 3 series - well, what exactly is daring in 3 series? Absolutly nothing daring or bold there at all. It is slight evolution of 3 series with dullest back that reminds you of old korean sedans. Absolutly no chance was taken at its design.<p>As to the daring and lasting, those two most likely wont like each other. Most cars that were designed daringly, became boring after 2-3 years. Good example is 7 series - it looks pretty awful right now, and 95% of people approved of the facelift because it cleans up those "daring" lines.<p>Instead of daring, I think manufacturers should design beautiful cars. Beauty lasts far longer than extravagance because what is cool today is old tomorrow.

KebabGud
02-26-2005, 06:47 PM
i am starting to hope that the car in the magazine is the real car..<br>the more i look at it .. the more i like it..<br>can someone find a interior pic?<br>i hope the instrument cluster is as fresh as it is on the current one..<p>the biggest disappointment is the front.. it looks to high..<br>the currant is low at the front and high at the back..<br>this one is .. high<br>and the small grill vs the big mouth.. that does not work that well..<br>the angle of the lights and the grill is a bitt .. off..<br>and i dont like that the grill is lover then the lights..cant get a clear line at the front<br>i still like it better hven the grill is on the bonnet...<br>hate (i repat hate) when you get a line at the topp of the grill like that..<br>the rest.. i like..<br>notice the sharp korner at the window on the C-pillar..thats fresh<p>it looks like the car on <A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com</A> .. soo<p>PS: only the diesel and the 2,5liter will de at geneva<br>

spwolf
02-26-2005, 06:49 PM
P.S. IS200, IS220d and IS250 are confirmed in Europe for now. IS200 news was on lexus-europe.com. I am sure there will be IS350 in Europe as well.<p>I personally think that IS200 will be 4cl, for people in Europe who want cheapest version (since IS220d will be some 2k-3k more expensive) that doesnt spend lot of gas. Huge amount of people in Europe dont want anything to do 6 cyl engines due to fuel consumption...<p>As to other engines, from many sources it was confirmed than IS350 will have well above 300hp.<p>I would not be suprised if there is IS300 with 250hp for Europe, due to its better economy figures, but who really knows. From Lexus USA standpoint, they preffer small number of models for easier sales but in Europe Toyota has been trying to make their TPS work better for range range of models.<br>

KebabGud
02-26-2005, 06:58 PM
i cant find IS200 info on the site..<p>i have made it cleare that i vant a detuned 3S-ge in a IS200..<br>a perky 4cyl.. <br>look <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13990" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13990</A><p>

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 07:23 PM
we go from some domestic issues to arguing full-on about BMW, its a drastic improvement, but really...

Cozz
02-26-2005, 07:40 PM
I actually like the car. The new 3 series already looks old compared to it. Hopefully the new C-classe has something for it. I can see this doing real well in Europe.

Cozz
02-26-2005, 07:42 PM
And who's this "Lexus Fan's mom!" member? He/she isn't really his mom... but that doesn't mean he/she won't be my new *****. Come and play with me...

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 07:48 PM
hope theres some new body styles VERY soon :)

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 07:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And who's this "Lexus Fan's mom!" member? He/she isn't really his mom... but that doesn't mean he/she won't be my new *****. Come and play with me...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>c'mon, you dont really mean that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-26-2005, 07:54 PM
ill watch <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Cozz has a tradition for takin' care of 'em, hes quite the Pimp <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-26-2005, 07:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ill watch <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Cozz has a tradition for takin' care of 'em, hes quite the Pimp <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>j/k... Get in Naga, that'd be three of us, if Lexus Fan wants in, great! the more the better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-26-2005, 07:57 PM
Ill reserve my judgement for later<br>knicks125, i thought about responding to Lexus Fan's mom but its wasnt worth the effort, hes just some troll who has nothing better to do. Im surpirised he hasnt gotten banned yet

Top Secret
02-26-2005, 08:00 PM
Eh, nothing special I reckon. The front is ridiculous, the headlights overpower the grille and the bumper design is weird, looks very tall with its tall foglight housings. The rear; it's good - probably the best part about this car. I personally don't see the similarity between the 5 Series; maybe because it has wraparound rear lights? Please, heaps of other cars have that.<p>The interior...I can't see a decent pic so I can't elaborate, but from what I can see..bland, bland, bland and more bland.<p>All in all, it's not too good. I reckon the GS was better and I still think this car will get raped by the German brands. Lexus could have done a lot better I reckon.

knicks125
02-26-2005, 08:02 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I was just gonna have some fun but the person wanted to take it up a notch (on his reply) so I was like, what the hell<p>plus the person has no idea who he/she's dealing with <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-26-2005, 08:11 PM
at least everyone is on my side now...thanks for being against him

Kemble
02-26-2005, 11:31 PM
WOW....I just spent a good 10 minutes looking for real news about the new IS250 searching page after page in this thread and came across nothing new after the second page. Is it too much to ask to keep these rambling's in the appropriate forum? such as "opinions, discussions"??? thanks

Ascariss
02-27-2005, 12:12 AM
well looks like I am gonna have to spend the next 10 minutes cleaning up this damn thread. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>WARNING TO ALL take your opinions to the opinions section. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 12:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well looks like I am gonna have to spend the next 10 minutes cleaning up this damn thread. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>WARNING TO ALL take your opinions to the opinions section. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>we're sorry

DoMiNo
02-27-2005, 12:39 AM
Wow... my comment was completely relevant. Thanks for deleting it. At least Santeno gives me a reason.

Ascariss
02-27-2005, 01:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow... my comment was completely relevant. Thanks for deleting it. At least Santeno gives me a reason.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not Santeno am I? Next, deleting 20 or more posts one BY ONE BY takes too long, I have no time to write every single person a reason why their post was deleted.<p>11. All actions and decisions of the Admins and Global mods are final. The admins reserve the right too lock any post, reopen any post and edit out any inappropriate things in posts.<p>That is rule #11. I took the liberty of editing out the crap that had nothing to do with actual discussion on the vehicle. Discussions of styling and comparisons go in the opinions section. I already gave a reason before I deleted the posts, some posts might have gone missing accidentally, and for that I apologize. <p>Is it the responsibility of members here to stop argueing and move their discussion to the opinions section rather than argue it out here.

scorpio14
02-27-2005, 01:15 AM
So there is goin to be a IS220d, IS250 and IS350 and a hybrid model...<p>Is the IS220d only for the European Market or will it make it too lets say Australia... <p>I wonna c best pics of the interior... i was hoping to c somethin more GS like in the interior BUT 4 some reason it looks more Toyota MARK X like... <p>I cant wait to c the Wagon, Coupe and Convertible version of the IS series

spwolf
02-27-2005, 06:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i cant find IS200 info on the site..<p>i have made it cleare that i vant a detuned 3S-ge in a IS200..<br>a perky 4cyl.. <br>look <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13990" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13990</A><p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>It was cleaned up - intially they said: "New IS200 to be shown at Geneva".<br>Of course, I am sure you know there wont be 3S-GE series of engines in new IS :-)<br>You can always swap them... hehe

spwolf
02-27-2005, 06:22 AM
I am not sure if this was actually posted here before, but here are standard features of IS in the USA and optional ones:<p>EQUIPMENT & FEATURES<p>Standard Equipment<br>- SmartAccess with push-button start<br>- Optitron Instrument Cluster<br>- Power Tilt/Telescopic Steering Wheel<br>- Steering-wheel-mounted Cruise Control, Audio and Display Controls<br>- Bluetooth® technology<br>- 10-Way power seats with memory for driver and passenger<br>- Wood and/or Metal trim interior<br>- Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control<br>- Mini Plug accessory connector<br>- Illuminated Scuff Plates on door sills<br>- AM/FM/CD, 13-speaker audio system<br>- Ten airbags, including a first-in-segment double knee airbag<p>Optional Equipment<br>- Ventilated Front Seats with multistage fans<br>- Touch Screen-Voice Activated DVD Navigation System<br>- Mark Levinson Premium Surround Audio System<br>- Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)<br>- Intuitive Parking Assist<br>- Rain-sensing Windshield Wipers with Headlamp Washers<br>- Power rear-window sunshade<br>- XM® Satellite Radio capability<br>- Lexus Pre-Collision System (PCS)<br>- Intelligent Adaptive Front Lighting System (I-AFS)<br>- Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management System (VDIM).<p>----<p>Notice how IS is actually step ahead even GS, just check its options. You can easily see that GS was designed one or two years before IS. This equipment list is for US of course, expect that IS200 will have less standard features in Europe to make it cheaper - consider that lower level 3 series and A4's have steel wheels, and manual back windows in base equipment. IS will be better than that standard... If it gets equipped like "base" Avensis (for most markets), it will have actually all those features standard :-).

krampits
02-27-2005, 06:59 AM
I thought that Intelligent Adaptive Front Lighting System (I-AFS) was on the standard equipment list !!

krampits
02-27-2005, 07:35 AM
Found new photos out there. One of them is about the interior. I don't know if these were allready posted somewere else.<p>[<IMG SRC="http://img223.exs.cx/img223/9725/is065tn.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img223.exs.cx/img223/9526/is0076ko.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: <A HREF="http://www.is300.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.is300.net</A>

KebabGud
02-27-2005, 07:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It was cleaned up - intially they said: "New IS200 to be shown at Geneva".<br>Of course, I am sure you know there wont be 3S-GE series of engines in new IS :-)<br>You can always swap them... hehe</TD></TR></TABLE><br>i know they must have a small engine alternativ to sell i europe..<br>and the only engine that fits is a 3s-ge :P if you detune that to ... 180hp or somthing.. it whould be perfekt! <br>i hope they read this thread :P I WANT A petrol 4cyl IS .. but NOT with those crappy 2liters from the avensis and stuff.. i want a 3s-ge IS ..<br>(and im gonna buy one to .. Altezza RS200 baby!.. ok it might be the old modell.. but it cool)<p>

knicks125
02-27-2005, 08:57 AM
Ascariss, I think I should take some of the fault since I was involved in both, but they stuck it out there for me and everyone else, I guess we couldn't resist the temptation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Although in my defense and in the defense of others, one person was playing a sick joke, and we just wanted to protect one of our members; the other person was arrogant and kept telling us about how great BMW was (like it and he was the king of the road), how BMW was above all and nothing else mattered, at least those were his intentions. We should have ignored those two but we felt it was our rights to set them straight, and I guess we took it a little to far and made our discussions irrelevant to this thread; personally, I also had a rough day since it was the first of many days I had to work on Saturdays. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> I feel those two should be warned, at the least, for starting the whole mess and flood this thread with pages and pages of irrelevant posts.<p>Regardless, on behalf of everyone who was involved in this, we apologize for our action.

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 11:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Although in my defense and in the defense of others, one person was playing a sick joke, and we just wanted to protect one of our members; the other person was arrogant and kept telling us about how great BMW was (like it and he was the king of the road), how BMW was above all and nothing else mattered, at least those were his intentions. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks<p>and those above pictures aren't official<p>the interior might be but i don't think the CGI's are

Tidal
02-27-2005, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>i know they must have a small engine alternativ to sell i europe<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not so sure. The diesel, although more expensive, would fill the lower end of the market better than a 2.0l gasoline engine imo. Faced with a choice between both, most people would go for the diesel, and i get the feeling their thinking the same way. If people really want a gas engine, they'll have to go for the 250. I might be wrong though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-27-2005, 12:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm not so sure. The diesel, although more expensive, would fill the lower end of the market better than a 2.0l gasoline engine imo. Faced with a choice between both, most people would go for the diesel, and i get the feeling their thinking the same way. If people really want a gas engine, they'll have to go for the 250. I might be wrong though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>it cant fill lower end of the market better if it is more expensive, can it? :-). 220d s more of an competitor to 250, in both price and performance...

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 12:36 PM
got rid of the chronograph-type gauges, they could have redeveloped them but o well

Tidal
02-27-2005, 02:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>it cant fill lower end of the market better if it is more expensive, can it? :-). 220d s more of an competitor to 250, in both price and performance...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe in performance, but the price has to be lower, the same way a BMW 320d is less expensive than a 325i. And you know the 320d sells much better than a 320i, altough it is more expensive.

tek2k
02-27-2005, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well that is the most beautiful thing<p>The headlights are very similar to the concept<p>It has some clues from the GS too; it's perfect<p>the interior looks beautiful and i am so happy it has dual exhaust<p>can you subscribe to CAR magazine in the USA? does the magazine have a lot of these official pictures before they are revealed? is it worth it? what's their website?<p><i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 10:05 AM 2/26/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><br>that's just YOUR opinion since you are LEXUS FAN! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>it looks horrible. it looks like a mazda 3 sedan.

tek2k
02-27-2005, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VVTL-I</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tail lights are very similar to the new Mazda 3 5-door.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>the whole side profile is similar to the mazda 3 sedan

KebabGud
02-27-2005, 02:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Maybe in performance, but the price has to be lower, the same way a BMW 320d is less expensive than a 325i. And you know the 320d sells much better than a 320i, altough it is more expensive.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>but the 316i and 318i both have higher sals numbers then the 320d (and 318d)<br>

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 02:41 PM
it seems like not many people are fond of it right now, but i am going to wait until it is actually debuted with good official photos before i can judge what the general opinion is on the car.

Tidal
02-27-2005, 02:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>but the 316i and 318i both have higher sals numbers then the 320d (and 318d)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Do they? I find that very strange, diesels completely dominate this market segment ( i'm not doubting you, just find it strange ), and I think Lexus would prefer to attack a bigger share of the market. But, as i said before, i'm not sure they wont do a smaller gasoline engine.<br>

knicks125
02-27-2005, 03:29 PM
can we please drop this whole comparison betwenn lexus and bmw? We all saw what happened yesterday. this is a thread strictly about lexus, don't bring bmw and other non-related items in here

Tidal
02-27-2005, 03:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can we please drop this whole comparison betwenn lexus and bmw? We all saw what happened yesterday. this is a thread strictly about lexus, don't bring bmw and other non-related items in here</TD></TR></TABLE><p>BMW was used as an example, not as a direct comparison, to a possible sales strategy Lexus might follow in Europe. Also, i think the conversation has kept a much more polite tone that the one that took place yesterday. <p>And btw, this car IS supposed to compete with BMW, MB, Audi and a hole lot of other cars, so comparisons will be made, and as this is a forum, people, as long as they follow certain guidelines, should be able to express their opinions.<p>Just my 2 cents though, it's all good. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

knicks125
02-27-2005, 04:01 PM
cool and I agree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-27-2005, 04:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Do they? I find that very strange, diesels completely dominate this market segment ( i'm not doubting you, just find it strange ), and I think Lexus would prefer to attack a bigger share of the market. But, as i said before, i'm not sure they wont do a smaller gasoline engine.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, thats why they will have an diesel engine... Nevertheless, 316, 318, and 320 probably sell a lot better than 325 in the Europe. While Lexus does not want to go as downmarket as BMW, they still need 2.0 4cly engine for both ppl that want the cheapest option and people who dont like diesels. 6 cly engine sales are probably less than 20%-30% for BMW in Europe...<p>Thats why Lexus will have IS200 and for the god sakes, for 4 days they said it on their site "New IS200 unveiled at Geneva" so it is going to happen for sure, no doubts or discussions.<p>Lexus could also do IS180 and IS200d, offer their cars with steel wheels, manual windows and casset player to match BMW/Audi offerings and raise sales, but that wont happen.

spwolf
02-27-2005, 04:35 PM
p.s. I am not disagreeing with you, if they had to choose between IS220d and IS200, I am sure they would sell only IS220d... but they dont so IS200 will give them some 20%-30% extra sales.<p>I can tell you right now that our Avensis sales in Europe, are around 30% 1.8 engine, 50% 2.0d engine and 20% 2.0 engine.<p>If I had to guess from my sales experience, if all engines had full availability (and I am sure diesel will be in shortage at start), I would say some 40% sales for IS220d, 30% for IS200 and rest for IS250 and IS350... As time goes, and ppl start looking into IS more, % of IS220d will probably just rise.<p>But also keep in mind that at this small of an car, gas engines are still decent choice... It is GS that will be severely hurting due to no diesel (and RX)...

Tidal
02-28-2005, 01:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But also keep in mind that at this small of an car, gas engines are still decent choice... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's not that small, but you do have a point there. I guess that in some markets in Europe this is still a medium size car, and i forgot that even if diesel sales are 50, 60 or 70% of the mix, that still leaves a lot of cars and market for the gas engines <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
02-28-2005, 04:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">got rid of the chronograph-type gauges, they could have redeveloped them but o well</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, this is just a CGI, so Lexus still has a chance to redeem itself.<p><br>Meanwhile, it looks like Lexus is planning on universalizing the interior design, or at least the center stack shape.

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 04:27 PM
these are photos, interor too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

krampits
02-28-2005, 04:45 PM
It seems that those photos from CAR magazine were showing the real thing. Look at the rims of the car they are going to show tomorrow in Geneva...<p><IMG SRC="http://img214.exs.cx/img214/6069/woda0mtc2nnm0mtnkzmqzmxk1nde3d.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img166.exs.cx/img166/192/woda0mte4nnm0mtnkzmqzmxk1nde3d.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img166.exs.cx/img166/443/woda0mtmznnm0mtnkzmqzmxk1nde3d.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: <A HREF="http://www.is300.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.is300.net</A>

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 04:57 PM
nice one krampits! tomorrow we should be seeing proper pics :)

krampits
02-28-2005, 05:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice one krampits! tomorrow we should be seeing proper pics :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I was wondering thought about that mirrors. Aren't they too high for being on the door or it's just my impression ?? Who knows... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2005, 05:20 PM
thanks...where did you get those pics?

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 05:21 PM
jesus christ, did you not see him post " <b> SOURCE:</b> <A HREF="http://www.is300.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.is300.net</A>" below the pics?

VexedandGlorious
02-28-2005, 05:38 PM
Dont blow your top Naga, am i the only one that sees two kindney grilles under that cover?<br>(P.S. im not bashing the car)

Cozz
02-28-2005, 05:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Graffititech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont blow your top Naga, am i the only one that sees two kindney grilles under that cover?<br>(P.S. im not bashing the car)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's the new Pontiac G6!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 05:44 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img214.exs.cx/img214/6069/woda0mtc2nnm0mtnkzmqzmxk1nde3d.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>yeh, i kinda see it myself

VexedandGlorious
02-28-2005, 05:48 PM
thats really disturbing........ i almost though it was the new 3ER

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 05:50 PM
i guess the large lexus emblem is creating that line w/ the veil, they need to hurry and pull that thing off

KebabGud
02-28-2005, 05:51 PM
12:00 (cet) at <A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com</A> ..<br>be there!

VexedandGlorious
02-28-2005, 05:55 PM
Look at that shillouette, thats HOTT

Cozz
02-28-2005, 05:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Graffititech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats really disturbing........ i almost though it was the new 3ER</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Crap, I just noticed that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I wanna see her naked! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

krampits
02-28-2005, 06:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">12:00 (cet) at <A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com</A> ..<br>be there!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They are better informed. I think they are going to post the first pics. If you know Germans, evn better... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://euro.lexusownersclub.com/for...opic=4782&st=45" TARGET="_blank">http://euro.lexusownersclub.co...st=45</A>

KebabGud
02-28-2005, 06:16 PM
ehhh... its live on <A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com</A> ...<br>

krampits
02-28-2005, 06:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ehhh... its live on <A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com</A> ...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeap. You are right. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I'm sorry. I meant the first high def pics. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by krampits at 6:55 AM 3/1/2005</i>

The Water Is Poison
02-28-2005, 06:31 PM
thats 6 AM Eastern, 5 AM central, so on and so forth.

Charger
02-28-2005, 08:05 PM
heres a small pic <br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/9223_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A>

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 08:12 PM
bit larger i think<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9223_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2005, 08:17 PM
yes...the first pictures are coming...thanks for the larger pictures<p>so when i wake up the IS will have debuted...yay<p>i won't have to wait until after school...yay<p>btw...naga...you have been awfully rude to me lately<p>the official geneva site said the engine will be "With 2.5 litre petrol engine and 2.2 litre diesel engine."<p>i know it's old news, but it's just another source<p><br><i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 7:28 PM 2/28/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 7:29 PM 2/28/2005</i>

marswalker
02-28-2005, 08:24 PM
now the front end looks much better<br>

Gian86
02-28-2005, 09:01 PM
very nice design looks on the side of IS250. Madddd car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 09:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>btw...naga...you have been awfully rude to me lately<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>sorry bro i love ya <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2005, 10:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>sorry bro i love ya <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks...i appreciate it

knihc2008
02-28-2005, 11:56 PM
this car has a lot in common in the LF-A. i dunno why. maybe the grille and air dam shape. maybe the lack of rear arches.<p>something very LF-A about it. and not LF-C, unfortunately.

RetroJapan
03-01-2005, 12:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this car has a lot in common in the LF-A. i dunno why. maybe the grille and air dam shape. maybe the lack of rear arches.<p>something very LF-A about it. and not LF-C, unfortunately.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I also agree. I think a lot has to do with the basic placement of the grille. I wish the headlights had been a little more agressive like the ones that were on the LF-C... Kinda reminds me too much of the Solara from the front...<p>I like the overall proportions and side view, however... I'm looking forward to higher res pics... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 02:32 AM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9223_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>Im lovin' it<p>Cant wait till the revealing... will that be in 1.5hrs...thatll be 10pm Monday here... i wont sleep until after...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 10:22 AM 3/1/2005</i>

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 04:14 AM
2mins 30secs<br>

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 04:16 AM
1mins.....man im excited

Tman2
03-01-2005, 04:19 AM
Great find Scorpio! IS looks good. Fix the front bumper and there's not much else to complain about. Overall, I like the new IS. Contrary to popular opinion, this doesn't look like the Mazda 3. It's better looking.

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 04:24 AM
actually someone found it b4... lol..<p>Im watchin the Revealing...too much talking...SHOW THE CAR

Gian86
03-01-2005, 04:26 AM
hahaha, that's funny just now about designer's mic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Updated 1: Mad design and rear looks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

Tman2
03-01-2005, 04:28 AM
Blah.. blah.. blah... SHOW The car!!! :) (I'm wathcing it now too!!!! ) Cheers Scorpio!

Tman2
03-01-2005, 04:29 AM
Looks good so far!!!!!!

Tman2
03-01-2005, 04:30 AM
Damn photogs... get outta the way! I cna't see!!!

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 04:32 AM
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Chickpig
03-01-2005, 04:32 AM
Its just so beautiful!

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 04:33 AM
i love it....i c alot of LF-C in the front....mad... and GS from the side

krampits
03-01-2005, 04:34 AM
Really cool so far. Although the damn video is very low res...

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 04:35 AM
where are the official pics!

krampits
03-01-2005, 04:36 AM
Hello everybody BTW.

Tman2
03-01-2005, 04:40 AM
I likey!!! What a great addition to the GS!

krampits
03-01-2005, 04:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where are the official pics!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Trying to get them....<br>Did you also notice that there no dual exhaust ???

kuules
03-01-2005, 04:42 AM
<i>"New car equipped with first diesel engine for a Lexus model <br>2.2-litre four-cylinder diesel unit is most powerful in its class, producing 175bhp, and has class-leading torque output, 400Nm from 2,000 to 2,400rpm <br>Power, smoothness and refinement of operation meet Lexus’s exceptional standards <br>New IS also to feature new direct-injection 2.5-litre V6 petrol engine <br>Six-speed automatic transmission with paddle-shift gearchange to be offered on V6 <br>Superb handling and class-leading safety equipment <br>10 airbags as standard, including first-in-segment double knee airbag <br>Radar-controlled Pre-crash Safety System (PCS), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Intelligent Adaptive Front Lighting System (I-AFS) available <br>European sales to start in late 2005 <br>The new generation Lexus IS makes its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show, following the new GS as the second model to be created encompassing the Lexus new L-Finesse design principles. <p>The presentation of the all-new model also marks the arrival of Lexus’s first diesel engine, an all-aluminium, 2.2-litre four-cylinder unit that is the most powerful in its class with a maximum output of 175bhp. It also produces class-leading torque, with 400Nm developed between 2,000 and 2,400rpm. <p>The new engine meets Lexus’s exacting requirements in terms of power and refinement, offering exceptionally quiet and smooth operation with superb performance. <p>A new 2.5-litre V6 petrol engine with a stoichiometric direct injection system is also available for the new IS. This engine will be available with a six-speed automatic transmission with sequential paddle-shift control. <p>Superior body control, cornering grip and straight-line stability are hallmarks of the new IS, set to continue to be one of the best-handling sports saloons in its segment. It will feature class-leading safety equipment, including Lexus’s radar-controlled Pre-Crash Safety system (PCS), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Intelligent Adaptive Front Lighting System <br>(I-AFS). Ten airbags will be fitted as standard, including a first-in-segment double knee airbag. Performance, traction control and vehicle stability will be further enhanced by Lexus’s Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management System (VDIM). <p>The new generation IS will go on sale in Europe at the end of 2005 with the diesel model following in 2006."</i><p><A HREF="http://img176.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img176&image=lexis6iq.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img176.exs.cx/img176/6430/lexis6iq.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img176.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img176&image=lexis27rd.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img176.exs.cx/img176/3/lexis27rd.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>(C) Lexus Media UK

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 04:48 AM
BETTER INTERIOR THAN GS! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

RetroJapan
03-01-2005, 04:50 AM
Looks like the partially maintained the chronograph style for the gauges... :)

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 04:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>krampits</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Did you also notice that there no dual exhaust ???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>YES...and that aint good....CRAP...i wants Dual...MAYBE the V6 models get it...and the Diesel doesnt...<p>AND OMG the interior is FANTASTIC....i love it...just like i lonve the GS...go Lexus...

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 04:54 AM
GET MORE PICS!<br>can you send me THE HIGHEST RESOLUTION ones to chickpig@gmail.com?

kuules
03-01-2005, 04:58 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_07.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_08.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_09.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_22.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_24.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_26.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_28.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(c) autoweek.com<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by kuules at 1:09 PM 3/1/2005</i>

RetroJapan
03-01-2005, 04:59 AM
Definitely a baby GS :D

Tman2
03-01-2005, 05:01 AM
You guys on this forum ALL rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot believe you guys post hi-res pics within minutes of an official unveiling. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 05:03 AM
Interior is just too good! Better than 3er =)

RetroJapan
03-01-2005, 05:04 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_12.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_16.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_18.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_21.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: AutoWeek

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 05:06 AM
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Chickpig
03-01-2005, 05:14 AM
seriously this car looks so much more impressive and expensive than the new 3er! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
03-01-2005, 05:23 AM
I fully agree. The interior is an A+ (better than the GS) but the exterior lacks something. I agree with the rest, it's a baby GS.

krampits
03-01-2005, 05:26 AM
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Shrek
03-01-2005, 05:27 AM
This thing is beautiful I can't wait until it comes on sale

krampits
03-01-2005, 05:38 AM
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mzoltarp
03-01-2005, 06:14 AM
Throw in the Lexus V8 and the BMW 3 series is dead. The new 3 series is not a stunningly beautiful car. It's "nice" looking. The Lexus IS is just drop dead gorgeous. It's too bad that the GS's nose is such a misfire compared to the IS. This one is a home run.

Roadster44
03-01-2005, 06:18 AM
Not being a huge fan of Lexus I'm not crazy about front end styling, but rest of it looks absolutely stunning. As for interior. I love it!!! To me it looks way more appealing than interiors of 3-series, C-Class or A4. But you know what...I'd still buy the Bimmer.

Dodger
03-01-2005, 06:38 AM
Wow, this car is fantastic. Everything flows great and the interior is awesome

SV
03-01-2005, 06:48 AM
those CAR scans didn't do it justice. wow, this car looks fantastic, i love it (alhtough the interior isn't my favorite design ever, it's ok) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

T.B.
03-01-2005, 07:03 AM
OK, it's a huge improvement over the old IS. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>It's going to be a nice car / package. The whole package is much closer to German cars now ...<p>But design wise ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> OK, it's aggressive, smooth, but ... a bit generic and bland. It might work for US market, but I'm afffraid it's too generic Japanese for European taste. It looks like just like other Japanese cars (Mazda - especially Mazda 3 sedan!!!, Honda / Accura, Nissan / Infiniti, Toyota, ...). It simply does not scream prestige like the German trio (BMW, MB, Audi) ... Interior maybe, but definitely not the exterior ... <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 3:51 PM 3/1/2005</i>

Reppu
03-01-2005, 07:14 AM
This is fantastic, but interior design is too japanese for me, i prefer the 3er. I wonder if it will be in the same price range than the 3er. Also, does anybody have info about external dimensions? It looks a lot bigger than the previous IS gen.

DeadFresh
03-01-2005, 07:28 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/pho_gallery_MZ3_ext19.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_07.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
03-01-2005, 07:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DeadFresh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/pho_gallery_MZ3_ext19.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/z2006%20IS%20250_07.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/retrolax2/GS_18.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Um.<p>I'd say it resembles the GS more than it does the Mazda3.

anonms
03-01-2005, 08:01 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I like the design, although I'd like it better if Lexus kept the chronograph gauges and the altezza lamps. I'd like it even more better if Lexus keeps the SportCross.<p>From this, I guess I can figure out exactly what's part of "L-Finesse"...<br>1- the grille (black and kinda curved with silver edge)<br>2- the overall side profile (short trunk lid and curved end of side windows)<br>3- taillamps (angry eyebrow-ish with slant downwards until a few inches away from license plate)<br>4- dash shape (or at least, the center stack)

LEXUS FAN!
03-01-2005, 08:13 AM
great car...it does kind of look like the mazda 3, but it also really looks like the GS<p>what is that toyota/lexus/scion press release site?

JBlair
03-01-2005, 08:18 AM
There's something oddly heavy-looking about this car. Although chunkiness in a design (especially in this segment) can be good, this car almost takes it too far. I don't like how much fender extends out after the edge of the headlights, the body almost looks too tall compared to the glasshouse and roof, and those side mirrors are absurdly large for the size of the car. The tumble home of the cabin is too steep, and the actual cabin itself is set too far in from the edge of the door metal. Some of the detailing is fantastic, such as the rear lights and the interior door panels. I do see some elements that were clearly pilfered from BMW, including the deeply sculpted lines on the hood that lead into the grille (straight of the 6er), and as much as I like them, the rear lights are uncomfortably familiar to the ones on the 5er. Comparisons to the Mazda 3 profile are surprisingly apt, because they do look similar.

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 08:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RetroJapan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like the partially maintained the chronograph style for the gauges... :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sorta, they got alot of complaints about it from the press<p>car looks fine tho <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>hopefully the additional body styles and engines will also be revealed in coming months<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 10:36 AM 3/1/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
03-01-2005, 08:35 AM
what is the chronography style?<p>and i too did think the side mirrors were very large, but i think it was the angles at which they were shot<p>and naga...i see you had a change of heart

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 08:38 AM
the old IS had chronograph style gauges where there were 3 small dials nested in the spedometer ( in this case: volt, mpg, engine temp i think ) and it looked like a watch, you can go on lexus.com and see it

LEXUS FAN!
03-01-2005, 08:39 AM
thanks naga<p>go to the General comments/questions to find a poll on the 3 er v IS

Blackraven
03-01-2005, 08:45 AM
Wow!<p>Those headlamps and foglamps look damn aggressive. The dashboard and illumination meters are quite unique. The infamous Toyota/Lexus "Start/Stop" button is also there. And the center console looks like it has clean design finish. Steering wheel looks good too.<p><br>But what I really like the most is:<p>-2.2 all-aluminum diesel engine kicks Honda's i-CTDI diesel engine's ass to the ground in terms of performance figures and maybe even in Fuel economy.<br>-Dual-tailpipe with a tailpipe on each side. Very sporty indeed<br>-Those wheels are so damn sleek. (reminds of me the Nissan Fuga/Infiniti M with those 19" sport wheels)<p><br>and my all time favorite:<p>-That gear shifter looks so damn SEXY, Seriously. <p><br>IMHO, that shifter really looks so NICE and aggresively sporty. Absolutely eye-catching and something even words can never express. IMO, it is the center of attention.<p><br>

JBlair
03-01-2005, 08:46 AM
I figured out why it looks so heavy; they don't have a black stripe running on the bottom of the car on the very edge. Its a design trick which almost every automaker uses because it reduces visual height and makes the vehicle look longer and not as tall.

Chickpig
03-01-2005, 08:47 AM
Autoweek:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/j_Z8L6902.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/j_Z8L6903.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/j_Z8L6908.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/j_Z8L6912.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/lexus_is/images/j_Z8L6916.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

Krypton
03-01-2005, 08:58 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> this car looks amzing, going to have to convince a few people to get this instead of a G35

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 09:02 AM
real photos are even better!

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 09:04 AM
<IMG SRC="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QQANAycTM2lnLUSfXJi5CmMKVqjxMLQw8la9vD*mT!Oy224a8 NGjUxyGScyYXyTC8VQ4f4CXKhBBX53rqPLy7Q3xJil*oSd51Tx GqyEhmv8/ISIS.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>vote here: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14168" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14168</A><p><br>

spwolf
03-01-2005, 09:17 AM
looks nice. I cant wait to see more REAL pics of exterior and interior, I have an feeling it will come together even better

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 09:25 AM
ye.. pics taken by "normal" poeple are better<br>

AXIS
03-01-2005, 11:33 AM
At first I was skeptical about the whole L-Finesse design but I have to admit I'm really loving this. And I am overjoyed to see the Altezza lights go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
03-01-2005, 11:36 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>/\ says it all /\<p>This is a GORGEOUS car, MUCH better than the 3er and G35 IMHO. If I had 30k to go blow I'd be at the Lexus dealer placing my deposit <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>One minor complaint though...<p>RED TAILLAMPS!!! Why no amber turn signals? Why are they disappearing?<p>(for those of you who don't know my eyes don't see Red, aka color blindness, so all I see are smoked taillamps. Amber turn signals are a breath of Fresh air for me... The gradual disappearance of amber turn signals SUCKS!!)

Andre
03-01-2005, 11:47 AM
I take it back, realizing that I believe red turn signals are illegal in Europe I looked closely and discovered the turn signals ARE amber, but the lenses are tinted Red<p>Still annoying to me

RetroJapan
03-01-2005, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toyota expects the new IS to help establish its premium brand in Europe, so it features a state-of-the-art diesel engine--the price of entry for any automaker serious about success in that market. Built at a new plant in Poland, the 2.2-liter, all-aluminum, direct-injection four-cylinder produces 177 hp and a hefty 295 lb-ft of torque, while the 2.5-liter, gasoline V-6 also features direct injection and pumps out 204 hp and 184 lb-ft. <b>Both engines can be mated to a six-speed manual transmission</b>, and the V-6 is also available with a six-speed manu-matic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_geneva/0503_lexus_is250" TARGET="_blank">http://automobilemag.com/auto_...is250</A><p>Is that a typo or are they really offering 6 speed manuals?

Andre
03-01-2005, 12:20 PM
I'd expect it too. I think not offering a six speed manny would REALLY hurt the IS considering both the G35 and 3er offer it<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 177 hp and a hefty <b>295 lb-ft of torque</b>, while the <b>2.5-liter, gasoline V-6</b> also features direct injection and pumps out 204 hp and </b>184 lb-ft</b></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know it's a diesel but Daaaaaaaaaaaammmnn<p>I think even the TDI I4 from the Passat only gets around 250 lb/ft

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 12:37 PM
the offisial press stuff says 6speed automatic and 6speed manuall.. <p>

Bluesman
03-01-2005, 01:01 PM
Yea, enough with the Altezza! I always thought they looked cheezy anway.....<p>I like the looks of this car, I especially like the new GS but then it's a bigger a car and that's what I want.<p>OK, first the new GS, now the IS. The ES is next and that's what I really want to see! I'll be curious how they blend L-Finesse with the current flavor of luxury and ride on that car, it's a bit bland as it stands. I hope I don't have to wait <I>too</I> terribly long..........Maybe late in 06'???

JBlair
03-01-2005, 01:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea, enough with the Altezza! I always thought they looked cheezy anway.....<p>I like the looks of this car, I especially like the new GS but then it's a bigger a car and that's what I want.<p>OK, first the new GS, now the IS. The ES is next and that's what I really want to see! I'll be curious how they blend L-Finesse with the current flavor of luxury and ride on that car, it's a bit bland as it stands. I hope I don't have to wait <I>too</I> terribly long..........Maybe late in 06'???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You have to wait until the next camry comes out, which should be in 1-2 years.

Andre
03-01-2005, 01:26 PM
Somehow I get the feeling Lexus may send the ES330 where Infiniti sent the I35, it just doesn't fit into the lineup any more.

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 01:52 PM
a FWD lexus just does not ... fit inn...<br>

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 02:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You have to wait until the next camry comes out, which should be in 1-2 years.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Camry is coming out first half of next year (im sure about that coz ive read about it alot) So the ES replacement should come by of 2006<p>MAN I LOVE THE IS... and yeah from what im seeing...the IS22d doesnt get the Dual Exhuast and the V6 models do... also im glad theyre still have 6speed manual in the line up...

Santeno
03-01-2005, 02:27 PM
I don't know man. The ES continues to sell in greater numbers than the IS. Sure this is a new model and apparently noticeably improved over the previous one (but let's hold off on judgements until we see some tests). Still Lexus has proven that there is a large number of folks out there who are shoping in this same price point, but who place a greater premium on conservative luxury. Besides, if its FWD performance you are concerned about, few manufacturers make as well balanced FWD platforms as toyota does. IMO, theys should continue to follow a similar business model and keep to alternate vehicles in the same price point.

Andre
03-01-2005, 03:03 PM
I'm not saying the IS will knock it out, but the new Avalon certainly expanded into its territory, like what Nissan did with the Maxima, it slid into I35 territory and they killed off the I35 once the Maxima took off. It seems to have worked for them, I don't think the ES fits in with Lexus anymore.<p>IS and ES are two different Machines, the Avalon is now better than the ES IMO... Bigger, better engine. I think the only thing people will buy the ES for instead of the Avalon is the badge.

Flagship
03-01-2005, 04:11 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> I must buy one now!!!!<p>Lexus needs the ES the IS covers $30k-K35, ES $32k-$38k, GS $42k-$54k and the LS $56k-$75K <br>If this is what the IS looks like i wonder how the new ES will turn out.

spwolf
03-01-2005, 04:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> I must buy one now!!!!<p>Lexus needs the ES the IS covers $30k-K35, ES $32k-$38k, GS $42k-$54k and the LS $56k-$75K <br>If this is what the IS looks like i wonder how the new ES will turn out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep, I bet new ES will get into even pricier category, up to GS entry prices - probably will be even larger, more luxurious and with 3.5L engine, with all the features from GS.<p>IS is for younger and ppl who want to feel younger, and get into luxury car segment.<br>ES is for the people who need large luxury car at lower price.<br>GS is an executive sedan.<br>LS is an executive luxury sedan.<p>It will actually work quite well...

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 04:22 PM
the ES was Lexus' first " bread and butter" car, i guess the RX has taken it for north america<p>i was surprised that Infiniti killed the i35, it still had the same doors as the old and beautiful maxima ( new one blowz) but the G35 has Awd and covers the price point very well<p>will be interesting to witness the sales shoving match b/w the IS and ES; its kinda like how 50 Cent threw " The Game" out of G-Unit very recently

AXIS
03-01-2005, 04:29 PM
IMO, unless Lexus is planning to make the next ES AWD, I think the closest anyone will get to a new ES is the 2005 Avalon. If Lexus is trying to reinvent themselves as a sportier brand, I dont think the cush factor of the ES will be necessary. With all the engine variations available with the new IS and GS they pretty much cover the gap left behind if the ES were to disappear.

Denali
03-01-2005, 04:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd say it resembles the GS more than it does the Mazda3.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>im with u on that, but it does got alittle mazada in it<p><IMG SRC="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QQANAycTM2lnLUSfXJi5CmMKVqjxMLQw8la9vD*mT!" BORDER="0">Damed imma miss those lights<br>

LEXUS FAN!
03-01-2005, 05:03 PM
OMG...i was watching the unveiling and it REALLY REALLY looks like the LF-S concept...I think that concept was also for the IS b/c the taillights are similar b/c they are high and the whole body structure is like that<p>actually the LF-S was probably a little bit of the GS and IS<p>yes the IS does resemble the GS more than the Mazda 3<p>also...you can watch the unveiling here<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com/about_lexus/news_and_events/geneva_4.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com/ab...4.asp</A><p>i hope this car is cheap...i wish i had enough money to get it...if not, the Scion xB is my second choice...it's quite a difference<p>THIS IS WHAT MT SAID<p>DEBUT: 2006 Lexus IS<p>Toyota is getting serious about Lexus. The previous IS was a rebadged Japanese-market Toyota. This all-new version has been designed from the wheels up as a Lexus, and it is planned as a deadly rival to BMW's new 3 Series. The big news for Europe is an all-new 2.2-liter I-4 diesel under the hood; diesels now account for more than 50 percent of all auto sales there. But U.S. spec IS models will all be powered by Toyota's new direct-injection gasoline V-6s. The 2.5-liter version delivers 204 horsepower (DIN), while the 3.5-liter will have about 280 horsepower. A new six-speed automatic transmission featuring sequential shift control will be standard. The IS will also be available with the VDIM integrated vehicle dynamics management system featured on the new GS, adaptive cruise control, and Toyota's radar controlled Pre-Crash Safety system. No fewer than 10 airbags are standard. And this time, the IS moniker will be spread across a full range of vehicles, including a convertible, to truly compete with the 3 Series<p><br>The IS 350 will have 280 hp? wow...i thought it was the 204, but i guess that was the IS250?<p>Also, so the diesal will only be for europe, right?

RetroJapan
03-01-2005, 05:07 PM
One more pic that hasn't been posted<p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0301/article68531_1.images/82497.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: Response.jp

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 05:11 PM
grrrr, now i want to see the additional bodystyles planned

JBlair
03-01-2005, 05:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OMG...i was watching the unveiling and it REALLY REALLY looks like the LF-S concept...I think that concept was also for the IS b/c the taillights are similar b/c they are high and the whole body structure is like that<p>actually the LF-S was probably a little bit of the GS and IS<p>yes the IS does resemble the GS more than the Mazda 3<p>also...you can watch the unveiling here<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus-europe.com/about_lexus/news_and_events/geneva_4.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus-europe.com/ab...4.asp</A><p>i hope this car is cheap...i wish i had enough money to get it...if not, the Scion xB is my second choice...it's quite a difference<p>THIS IS WHAT MT SAID<p>DEBUT: 2006 Lexus IS<p>Toyota is getting serious about Lexus. The previous IS was a rebadged Japanese-market Toyota. This all-new version has been designed from the wheels up as a Lexus, and it is planned as a deadly rival to BMW's new 3 Series. The big news for Europe is an all-new 2.2-liter I-4 diesel under the hood; diesels now account for more than 50 percent of all auto sales there. But U.S. spec IS models will all be powered by Toyota's new direct-injection gasoline V-6s. The 2.5-liter version delivers 204 horsepower (DIN), while the 3.5-liter will have about 280 horsepower. A new six-speed automatic transmission featuring sequential shift control will be standard. The IS will also be available with the VDIM integrated vehicle dynamics management system featured on the new GS, adaptive cruise control, and Toyota's radar controlled Pre-Crash Safety system. No fewer than 10 airbags are standard. And this time, the IS moniker will be spread across a full range of vehicles, including a convertible, to truly compete with the 3 Series<p><br>The IS 350 will have 280 hp? wow...i thought it was the 204, but i guess that was the IS250?<p>Also, so the diesal will only be for europe, right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That doesn't sound right for the 350. If Lexus uses the GS V6 (there's no reason why they wouldn't), it would have 245. Most of the other sites (i think autoweek was one of them), are saying 245.

Buster
03-01-2005, 05:30 PM
I like. The IS looks lithe and powerful. It seems like it is ready to pounce. The only thing I don't like are the Japanese generic taillamps. The interior is okay, but I would prefer something sportier to match the exterior. It is refreshing to not have to be challenged to enjoy a car.

The Water Is Poison
03-01-2005, 05:34 PM
Im kinda dissapointed they got rid of the signature cleared lights, then again, cant argue with results

Andre
03-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Remember the GS has a 3.0L Direct injection with 245. Toyota's 3.5L in the Avalon has 270 HP, so if there is an IS350 I could see it having 280 HP.<p>However, seeing as the other engines for the IS are Direct injection, the IS and GS are RWD while the Avalon is FWD, I see the IS getting the 3.0 direct injection, so another IS300 with 245 HP

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 06:20 PM
the new V6 line from Toyota can be used on both RWD and FWD cars..<br>in that ned line .. only the 2,5 and 3liter V6 has Direct injection .. and the 3,5 and 4liter does not .. but all 4 has Dual-VVTi<p>by the way .. the 3,5 is also to be found i the JDM GS 350<br>

spwolf
03-01-2005, 06:56 PM
and 350 in Avalon has 280 hp.<br>In the IS 350 (with Direct injection), quite few lexus sources have been quoted as "well above" 300hp, and currently 315 is considered favorite number...<p>There is no any word of IS300 so far, only IS220d, IS250, IS350...

anonms
03-01-2005, 07:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is no any word of IS300 so far, only IS220d, IS250, IS350...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's cuz there ain't gonna be an IS300 because there ain't a 3.0L GR-FE engine.<p>Though an IS400 is possible.... not likely, but possible...

DoMiNo
03-01-2005, 07:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>azumi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At first I was skeptical about the whole L-Finesse design but I have to admit I'm really loving this. And I am overjoyed to see the Altezza lights go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That makes two of us. This baby will sell BIG!!! The only odd thing is that kink at the rearmost portion of the DLO... but other than that I am incredibly excited about this car!!! The interior, in my opinion, is at least as nice as the GS. Can't wait to see it in person!

Tman2
03-01-2005, 07:34 PM
Me too Domino. The C-pillar kink was pretty bad to me... initially. Now that it has grown on me (less than a few days) I actually like it. When I first saw the profiule with the slab sidedness... I thought Tc.. then I realized the C-pillar was very RSX (I really hate the profile of that car- too pudgy).. but, the way the rear side window kinds upward, it's a sharper kink.... edgier and more stylish (to me). But the way the IS has grown on me in such a short time is amazing. I think when we all see the IS in a colour other than silver, we're really gonna flip!!!!!!

spwolf
03-01-2005, 08:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That's cuz there ain't gonna be an IS300 because there ain't a 3.0L GR-FE engine.<p>Though an IS400 is possible.... not likely, but possible...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>huh? I know there wont be IS300, which is why I said it, but what does that have to do with no 3.0L GR-FE engine? There is 3.0L GR-FSE in GS...

anonms
03-01-2005, 08:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>huh? I know there wont be IS300, which is why I said it, but what does that have to do with no 3.0L GR-FE engine? There is 3.0L GR-FSE in GS...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh yeah, huh. I forgot! Whoops! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Interesting.....Checking out some of the old trademarks (and some of the new), either they're changing their names so that they use the new 3.0, or they're using a new 3.5 liter. As for the IS, 315 is too much (heck 280 is too much). This thing shouldn't weigh that much more than the current one, so I would say 245 would be good, and 265 would be perfect!

Bluesman
03-01-2005, 08:19 PM
Sorry Jblair, the new ES comes out in 2006. <p>It appears that the IS and GS would cover the segment but the ES plugs that hole in price point as already stated. I don't think Toyota would be wise to abandon that price range and they've already said they are working on a new ES.<p>By the way, ES stands for Executive Sedan folks...........

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 08:20 PM
i dont think there gonna Detune standard engines for the IS .. the 3,5liter is going to have 280 or more .. not less<br>i dont think Lexus is gonna give "acura" and Infiniti a window to be better then them in the US<br>

Soul Man
03-01-2005, 08:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont think there gonna Detune standard engines for the IS .. the 3,5liter is going to have 280 or more .. not less<br>i dont think Lexus is gonna give "acura" and Infiniti a window to be better then them in the US<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>i agree with them not letting acura and infinti beat them, but i dont think there going to want to beat themselves, i think lexus will stick it right about hwere infiniti is at with g35 with the hp on this if an is350 does come, im guessing 280-285, anymore and itd be a threat to the dominance of the gs, and even the LS, although i think most folks who buy the LS would really not be bothered much, i just dont see 315 happening.

Bluesman
03-01-2005, 08:30 PM
Here's what the names really mean according to the Lexus website.<p>What the U.S. Model Names Stand For <p>ES Executive Sedan<br>LS Luxury Sedan<br>GS Grand Sedan<br>SC Sports Coupe<br>RX and LX do not stand for anything, but are intended to convey the idea of luxury. <br>

knihc2008
03-02-2005, 12:14 AM
i bloody love this car. one of the things that makes the car especially nice are the super-tight cut lines. makes it look even slicker.<p>i worry about that silver dash. hopefully, it won't come out too cheap.

Hornbag
03-02-2005, 12:53 AM
Very nice<p>I love the out side, so nice, reminds me of a GS, when ur on a good thing, dont change it!!!!!<p>But.........the inside lacks the GS's appreal IMO.<br>4 sum reason it reminds me of a cadilac?

Reppu
03-02-2005, 01:30 AM
When is the diesel version on sale in Europe?. If it's on the 30.000 euros price tag it will be within my candidates. I wanted to buy this summer but it might be worth the waiting.

PlatForm
03-02-2005, 04:32 AM
beware BMW... Lexus coming to challenge your 5series..<p>btw, 5-series is the best car ever..

spwolf
03-02-2005, 04:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting.....Checking out some of the old trademarks (and some of the new), either they're changing their names so that they use the new 3.0, or they're using a new 3.5 liter. As for the IS, 315 is too much (heck 280 is too much). This thing shouldn't weigh that much more than the current one, so I would say 245 would be good, and 265 would be perfect!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that means you will be very happy with IS350 when it is unrevealed on Mar23rd :-)

Top Secret
03-02-2005, 04:40 AM
Why would an IS compete with the 5 Series?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The IS competes with the 3 Series, the GS competes with the 5 Series.<p>But all comparisons aside, I think I might be the only one in these forums who isn't over the moon about the looks of this car. I personally think the front is horrible - not proportionate at all: the headlights over power the grille, the grille is too short and tall, giving it a weird look, the front bumper in ridiculous, the foglight housings triangle layout only gives it the look of the 'tallboy' look and also makes it look too small widthways. <p>But, other than that, the rear does look good, although I still prefer the GS's rear. I don't have any complaints of the rear. But the interior - nice, but I think it lacks depth unlike the old IS. It looks more 'cheap' using its silver trim on the center console, unlike its predessecor where it used black giving it a more 'Euro' look. But how come this car has grab handles on the side while the GS doesn't?!<p>All in all; I think it's an improvement on the old IS, but it still lags behind its German competition, design-wise. I'll have to wait for magazine reviews on how the driving dynamics of the car is - but right now, I think Lexus could have done better.

krampits
03-02-2005, 05:22 AM
I really like the car. Definetely a great addition for the Lexus range. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>The only 2 thinks that we have to see now are, the market price that the car will hit the market and the engine choices that Lexus is going to offer. <br>For the first, I hope Lexus will realize that should make a very good offer for the car in order to secure a good position in the European market.<br>As for the second one, I don't know the weight of the car, (I've search enough the Internet but I've found nothing), so I hope the engines they've introduced thus far will give the car respectable performance in order to compete with its opponents.

Tidal
03-02-2005, 06:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When is the diesel version on sale in Europe?. If it's on the 30.000 euros price tag it will be within my candidates. I wanted to buy this summer but it might be worth the waiting.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Diesel sales are expected to begin in early 06.<p>Although i think the interior is nothing special to look at, the finish looks amazing. Much much better than the old one.<p>315hp does sound like a bit too much for the IS350, but i don't see why it can't have the Avalon engine. Remember, ( and there's a comparison coming up btw ) the 330i now has 258hp, and the C350 272hp. They have to set the bar at least as high as that.

Naga Royal Guard
03-02-2005, 08:32 AM
who said 315 in the first place? thats 15 more than their V8 power plant ( for one ) <p>was it motortrend (again) ?

spwolf
03-02-2005, 10:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who said 315 in the first place? thats 15 more than their V8 power plant ( for one ) <p>was it motortrend (again) ? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lexus tech ppl during introductions of GS and RX400h on dealer training events... Considering that same version of Avalon's engine, w/o direct injection develops 280hp in old man's sedan, it is easy to see how Lexus version in their "sporty" car will develop....more :-). <p>Preliminary dealer info in US that dealers received so far confirm IS250, IS25AWD with manual and 6 speed auto, and IS350 with 6 speed auto.<p>Car mags are, as usual, are completly off line so far...

KebabGud
03-02-2005, 11:09 AM
looks to be a big gap between IS250 and IS350<br> they need a 3liter too.. and a 2liter (I4) .. and one more.. bigger Diesel<br>yee.. <p>the best whould be<br>IS200 = I4.. round about 180hp.. Detuned 3s-ge or somthing like that<br>IS220 = Diesel I4.. 177hp<br>IS250 = V6 (what was the hp in taht? 205?)<br>IS300 = V6 and a diesel (245-250hp and 230-240hp in the diesel)<br>IS350 = V6 Between 280hp and 300hp<p>that whould make the IS a true competitor to the 3-series...<br>

krampits
03-02-2005, 11:17 AM
I've been doing some maths on that one. I agree with you about the 3.5 engine of the Avalon, but let's see the facts we have thus far. The new V6 direct injection engines that lexus uses for the new IS and GS, develops about 81 to 82 hp per littre. (GS300 develops 81.6 per littre and IS250 81.66). I wouldn't expect more than 85 to 86 hp per littre. If that's the case, then we should expect about 300 hp from IS350. we shouldn't forget that Lexus has also in mind the gas milleage... <br>I think that Lexus is going to rely on the car weight for the performance and not to the engine outputs.

spwolf
03-02-2005, 11:32 AM
I was expecting to see IS200, they might introduce it when the car is released.<p>IS300 wont happen because there is no sense to do it in Europe where people dont care about 30hp more, but care about fuel consumption. For most people, IS250 or IS220 will be more than enough. And IS350 will probably be like an flagship version that costs more and performs good for magazine testers.<p>Due to lower sales in Europe, even if Lexus sells 20,000 IS's per year, it does not warrant to have more than 6 different engine combinations (IS220d, IS250 - AWD, RWD, 6 speed, Auto, IS350 Auto).<p>That would be simply crazy to expect - 20k would double lexus sales and there are not enough dealers to cover that large gains.<p>As to the US, I dont see them having IS300 there either, there wont be that much of the price difference between different engines to warrant IS300. People who care about smooth sporty, or image, they could get IS250, people who care about wild sporty/image, get IS350 w/ over 300hp.<p>Basically, after those options, all that IS needs is +400 tuned version that can sell 500 per year yet provide "want" factor in people that will then buy IS250 or IS350.<p>If you were to ask me -<br>- IS200 4cl w/ 150-170 hp (and low gas consumption), 6 speed<br>- IS200d 4cl w/ 157hp (and 310 nm like upcoming Avensis), 6 speed<br>- IS220d 4cl w/ 177hp (and 400nm) and awd/AT variations<br>- IS250, awd, 6 speed, auto<br>- IS350, performance version<br>-IS460, wild image version<p>If you were to ask BMW, they would have IS160 IS180, and IS180d as well :-).<p>But non of these will happen simply because there isnt enough volume for so many combinations in +30 countries that all have different stocks and ordering process's. TPS will never work that good in such divided market.<p>I think that over 300hp is what could be expected. Japanese version of 2.5l engine makes 215hp, which would then make it 301hp for 3.5 version of the same engine. And some slight tune can make it better.<p>And also - dont be fooled with "small" hp numbers of 2.5l (IS) and 3.0l engine (in GS). IS2.5l engine makes same torque as upcoming BMW 325i engine (which is 3.0l engine actually). And US spec GS300 makes more torque than upcoming 330i (10lbs) even if 330 makes 10 more hp on the paper. And consider that same engine in Japanese Mark X and Crown makes 255hp....<p>At the end, it is just speculation, nobody knows but few Lexus execs... Who even knows if everything is finalized yet since no final specs are shown - until March 23rd (and who knows if that will be final as well)

spwolf
03-02-2005, 05:02 PM
p.s. Autolies has some at-show pics of IS, and it looks pretty nice. It has Euro interior - all back w/ black leather and it looks really good. Whole dash has some interesting material on it that makes it look really good and high quality. It is hard to see on other pics, but I have initially thought that interior is +3 with Exterior being +4, and now I am thinking of both being nice +4's.... IS220d is really an interesing option now.

anonms
03-02-2005, 09:01 PM
I'm thinking that the US'll probably get:<br>- IS220d<br>- IS250<br>- IS350<br>- IS420h<br>Hopefully, Lexus won't axe the SportCross.<br>The coupe and convertible versions would probably have the same engine and transmission and drivetrain choices.

Ascariss
03-02-2005, 09:33 PM
diesel in the US? how soon, I am not sure Lexus will do that move, I would imagine hybrid would be before the diesel.