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kuules
02-21-2005, 10:53 AM
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Dodger
02-21-2005, 10:57 AM
I think this is a nice little convert. The hood looks a little funny but that is about it. I also think the interior is pretty nice

Laguna
02-21-2005, 10:57 AM
I dont like it. Im not going to say its ugly because its not I just dont like it.

Ultomato
02-21-2005, 11:18 AM
Im digging the front, but the rear..they need to update it, maybe integrate the pipes into the rear bumper maybe?

Laguna
02-21-2005, 11:20 AM
Yeah i no what u mean

Charger
02-21-2005, 11:56 AM
Wow, thats better than I expected. But I wished they would have done something different with the back. This looks more like a refresh

Velocitas
02-21-2005, 12:02 PM
<br>Yes, I agree about the back. The front is nice and thankfully not too derivative of the RX-8.<br>

Redline
02-21-2005, 12:08 PM
Terrific and original looks, a good interior, and not a rediculously huge amount of power. Looks like Mazda managed to keep the spirit and soul in their little sports car. The interior isn't as small anymore, which I actually found to be a nice charm to it, kind of refreshing actually being close to the passenger rather than being a huge distance away from them like in most SUVs and a good few cars now. Oh well, they can't please everyone completely. The will probably fly off the dealer lots for the first few months. Should be interesting to see.

Fairsky
02-21-2005, 12:20 PM
You can see the influence of the Ibuki concept in the front (curved hood, oval lights), and in the cockpit with the central stack. <p>But the tail looks rather boring- too much like previous generations. I wish they had carred the themes from the front to the rear.

iakovos
02-21-2005, 12:37 PM
The back is identical... <br>the front is nothing to write home about..<p>... in short.. I expected more.... I don't like it....<p>But what is really annoying is that they tried to copy the BMW interior... which is not nice to begin with... if you are going to copy something .. at least copy something that looks nice...

Tidal
02-21-2005, 12:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iakovos</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>But what is really annoying is that they tried to copy the BMW interior... which is not nice to begin with... if you are going to copy something .. at least copy something that looks nice...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What? Where?<p>Like most of the people here, i like it, but that rear could be better. Maybe if/when they do a coupe...

Pedigreepaul
02-21-2005, 12:51 PM
I hope they do!<p>Btw.. this is the most beautiful and best designed bath tub I've ever seen.. And also the only one with lights on both sides and an interior.. I LIKE IT!

Naga Royal Guard
02-21-2005, 01:43 PM
mazduh miaduh: saving middle aged impotent men from suicide for over 15 years<p>

Fairsky
02-21-2005, 01:48 PM
Mazda has a much more competitve market to face than just a few years ago. I have no doubt that the Pontiac Solstice, and Saturn Sky- with their much bolder styling- will trump the MX-5 in both sales and media attention.<p>They needed to do something bolder to stay ahead of the pack. I fear this is just not it.

Redline
02-21-2005, 01:57 PM
I think you might be forgetting its cult following and its soulful character. It might no be as powerful or as exotic looking as those, but they're just European looking design fads, they'll fade away with the obsession of the "European" design and the odd tall headlight look. The Miata has a classic design that has staying power and is about the whole drive, not the short time between stoplights. There will be a good few converts, but overall the Solstice and Sky will end up stealing Miata customers about as much as the MR2 Spyder did.

Omar
02-21-2005, 02:53 PM
what the hell? the backlights look so crap

1966_GTO_
02-21-2005, 04:04 PM
I like the facelift but the rear looks too much like the previous model. I look at this as a large improvement, but I was hoping for a little more.

CalinG7
02-21-2005, 04:28 PM
Nice re-fresh............. wait........... what't that?........... this isn't a re-fresh?............... it's a whole new car?............. new platform, engines, nuts and bolts?.............. all new? <p>Oh, good plan then. It really worked for the completely new, high-tech Jaguar XJ that looked like a 1994 model so I guess it'll work for................ oh............ darn it all. <p>Nice interor, it does look inviting. And the overall desing isn't offenssive, just not very memorable. That legendary handling better still be there or the Solstice and sky will eat this alive.

spwolf
02-21-2005, 04:59 PM
it is pretty dissapointing car overall... You expect more from the company that got us 6, RX8, and 3...

ToronadoGT
02-21-2005, 05:04 PM
I expected more. To be honest, I'm dissapointed. Although I'll probably never buy a Miata, I beleve that Mazda owes the Miata fans a bit more in the styling department. (I wonder why they carred over the old ass of the previous Miata. It looks dated and a last minute add on compared to the rest of the car.) But, as far as the interior goes, it's execelent. <p>To tell you the truth, I beleve GM has got this thing beat with the Solstice and Sky. Although the interior of those two cars may be less in some respects, the styling is more classic and memorable. The Miata has gone from a memorable classic to a new age piece of steel. Which isn't a bad thing really, but when you compare it to the previous generations, you see that this car will become dated quickly. <p>To put it simpily, this thing is dissipointing and confusing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
02-21-2005, 05:32 PM
That's the nicest car I've seen in a while. I couldn't expect less from Mazda, but then again this exceeds my expectations. It looks awesome in the back, even better in the rear and sexy inside. That's all that needs to be said!

Gian86
02-21-2005, 06:09 PM
Not bad, i'm starting to like it more soon because of interior and design looks on MX-5.

taskbearer
02-21-2005, 07:46 PM
I think the designers nailed it on this one. Mazda seem to be following the same route as porsche...evolutionary not revolutionary. MX5's cult following is nearly if not as strong porsche. Before comparison to the solstice and sky, lets wait for a full comparo when these three shooters drilled to the last bit. <p>Seeing from photos, the MX5 looks smaller than the competition from GM and that would help it in the weight department. If I remembered correctly GM released the weight of the solstice as 1300kg at last year's NAIAS. Thats the same as mazdas RX8 and theres no way mazda would make the MX5 as heavy as the RX8.In fact the car is only 10kg heavier than before which would make it about 1100kg.You know weight is very important when it comes to cars like this. <p>I'm counting on the MX5 to outhandle GM's new babies.........oh and if I did not say it earlier..........I LOVE THIS DESIGN!! <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by taskbearer at 6:56 PM 2/21/2005</i>

anonms
02-21-2005, 08:11 PM
I hate roadsters, but I like the Miata's appearance inside and out. Especially the altezzas.

JBlair
02-21-2005, 08:19 PM
It almost seems as if the body was designed from the outset to include a coupe configuration.

Hornbag
02-22-2005, 12:41 AM
I love it. Everything. It looks like a cross between an RX-8 and an MX-5, which is a good thing...

Fafa
02-22-2005, 04:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anorexorcist</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I expected more. To be honest, I'm dissapointed. Although I'll probably never buy a Miata, I beleve that Mazda owes the Miata fans a bit more in the styling department. (I wonder why they carred over the old ass of the previous Miata. It looks dated and a last minute add on compared to the rest of the car.) But, as far as the interior goes, it's execelent. <p>To put it simpily, this thing is dissipointing and confusing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Thank you for expressing my opinion with your text (althoug i don't really like the interior, I think it's really overdone)<p>Maybe that's because I loved the Ibuki concept and I thought they would follow this simplicity way... but I don't think that they can repeat the succes of the first design with just a refresh (and with all this new and interesting roadsters coming)<p>I hope the european version had several serious changes... althoug I don't think so.

Speedstick
02-22-2005, 06:50 AM
And they said it wouldn't look like the Ibuki concept.... LIARS!<p>It's nice, but I was sorta wishing for something more sleek and sporty after seeing the RX8 front mock-ups.<p>Ah well - looks like a Miata, and keeps the look of the original. That being said, it looks even more feminine than the last one.

Fairsky
02-22-2005, 09:27 AM
Two things would have made this design even better.<p>1. On the Ibuki concept the curved hood scoop continued under the windshield and onto the dash- linking the exterior oval design with the interior. That would have been a fantastic detail on the production model.<p>2. The tail and trunk look inconsistant with the hood and nose. The oval shape is repeated in the front of the car (lights, grill, and hood), but the theme is absent from the tail... at least in an obvious form. Where the Ibuki (love it or hate it) had a consistant theme. This MX-5 only goes half way.

Charger
02-22-2005, 10:10 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_1_1s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_1_2s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_1_3s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_1_4s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_2_1s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_2_2s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_2_5s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_3_2s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_4_1s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_4_2s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Exterior_4_3s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_1_1s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_1_2s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_1_3s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_1_4s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_1_5s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_1_6s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_2_1s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_2_2s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_2_4s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/Interior_2_5s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: autoweek

Uberwagon
02-22-2005, 01:23 PM
This is an instant classic. Some will critique the rear or tail light treatment for not changing much but that is an asset: There is a consistency from the first one launched in 1989 to this all new one, from front to back, which communicates that this can be only one thing: Miata.<p>If its handling mirrors those before and the weight is kept light, this will certainly be a cult hit and a classic for years to come.

syclone
02-22-2005, 02:23 PM
im just so underwhelmed and very disappointed. maybe it was the rx-8 mockups, maybe the ibuki, maybe the arrival of the solstice/sky but i just expected something a bit more exciting. not a crazy design like sky, because that wouldn't be keeping with the previous mx-5 generations, but something to differentiate it a bit more. interior, at least definitely looks like a big improvement. the tan leather one reminds me of the g35 for some reason, which is a good thing. i think one major thing this has going is that it doesn't look too much like a smaller rx-8. glad to see some companies aren't going the same sausage different sizes route completely.<p>one final thought, the grille definitely looks like it belongs on a jaguar.

piokor
02-22-2005, 04:41 PM
This is exaclty what I expected, which I'm not sure if it's a good thing. But I do know one thing, I would take this over a Solstice or a Sky.

nismo
02-22-2005, 06:57 PM
Real nice... not as feminine lookin'. Mazda definately made the perfect mix of the old with the new. Looks bulkier and the interior reminds me of the older BMWs but in a good way.

nstreet16
02-22-2005, 07:26 PM
I dunno like many other people here.... its like we waited all this time just for this?! Its bland. Nothing i would ever get.

Hornbag
02-23-2005, 12:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nstreet16</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dunno like many other people here.... its like we waited all this time just for this?! Its bland. Nothing i would ever get.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nothing you would ever get or nothing you cant ever afford?

spwolf
02-23-2005, 04:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Nothing you would ever get or nothing you cant ever afford?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>since when was Miata expensive? You will be even able get an 12(?)hp version in Europe...<p>I understand that Mazda lovers like it, but compared to RX8, this looks like something designed out of hobby.... Definetly not ever lasting design like old one...

Top Secret
02-23-2005, 05:18 AM
12HP version? Where did you hear that?

Santeno
02-23-2005, 09:43 AM
I've always been a HUGE Miata fan, and I love it that mazda has always stuck with evolution rather then revolution when it comes to this car. The new one looks like it incorporates much of the same good ness and easily recogniseable styling of the previous two gens, while at the same time giving the car a certain maturity it lacked in it's previous iterations. Does anyone know how much bigger this is than the previous models? Judging from that profile view, either the driver is really small, or tha car has grown noticeably.<p>Oh and has anyone else noticed how the rounded outline of the stereo controls and the two round vents above it look surprisingly like a mickey mouse set of ears?

jim07044
02-23-2005, 10:03 AM
Am I the only person disappointed by the 160 hp engine rating? In this day and age when Chrysler is installing V8 Hemi engines is many of its cars & trucks, Ford's new Mustang GT Convertible with a 300 hp V8, Pontiac GTO with a 400 hp V8, Nissan/Infiniti pushing 298 hp V6 engines in many of its cars -- all, by the way, at affordable prices -- why does Mazda insist that the Miata remain lowly underpowered to maintain its "heritage" of fun-to-drive and affordable? Especially being a sports car, horsepower performance is very important to potential customers these days, and there are many more choices to choose from now. Even the "old" Honda S2000 has 240 hp and is due for a redesign soon, no doubt with more power. And, yes, I have owned a 1999 Miata so I know what I'm talking about... it was fun to drive, but I always wished for the ability to smoke the tires every now and then, or feel rocket-like thrust during acceleration (and no, I don't want to install a high-maintenance third-party turbo kit as a solution).<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by jim07044 at 5:11 PM 2/23/2005</i>

Santeno
02-23-2005, 10:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jim07044</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Am I the only person disappointed by the 160 hp engine rating? In this day and age when Chrysler is installing V8 Hemi engines is many of its cars & trucks, Ford's new Mustang GT Convertible with a 300 hp V8, Pontiac GTO with a 400 hp V8, Nissan/Infiniti pushing 298 hp V6 engines in many of its cars -- all, by the way, at affordable prices -- why does Mazda insist that the Miata remain lowly underpowered to maintain its "heritage" of fun-to-drive and affordable? Especially being a sports car, horsepower performance is very important to potential customers these days, and there are many more choices to choose from now.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>This criticism has been made of mazda since practically the begining. Mazda's response has always been that the MX5 is not a sports car, but rather a touring car and a drivers car. It's supposed to be a superbly balanced machine made for spirited driving (preferably through the twisty stuff). It is not intended to be an all out sports car and they have purposely avoided turning it into such. If you want one however perhaps they can interest you in a nice RX-8 (or a used rx-7).

jim07044
02-23-2005, 10:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you want (a sports car) however perhaps (Mazda) can interest you in a nice RX-8 (or a used rx-7).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sports cars don't have 4 doors (RX-8). I guess I'll have to wait for a future RX-7 Convertible...

jim07044
02-23-2005, 11:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Mazda's response has always been that the MX5 is not a sports car, but rather a touring car and a drivers car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats interesting. Here's how Mazda describes the Miata from its very own website:<p>"The MX-5 Miata's 1.8-liter DOHC engine and its accompanying transmissions are utilized only by the Miata, so they have been designed and tuned strictly for the unique performance needs of a sports car."

JBlair
02-23-2005, 11:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jim07044</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sports cars don't have 4 doors (RX-8). I guess I'll have to wait for a future RX-7 Convertible...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But above you just named a Chrysler 4-door with a Hemi as a sports car. And why do you need 2 posts to say what you did.

Tidal
02-23-2005, 12:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jim07044</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sports cars don't have 4 doors (RX-8)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do you call an Evo, an Sti, or a M5 then? Mum-mobiles?<p>Anyway, there will probably be a Mazdaspeed version of the miata, for those who want more power. Also, V6 and V8 engines are expensive, need more space and take more fuel. It really would't be a miata would it?<br>

Redline
02-23-2005, 02:44 PM
The interior looks much better in black, I still wish it was a little smaller, but I really like it. I kind of like the current generation better, but I'd still buy one.

Buster
02-23-2005, 03:48 PM
I am a big fan of bulges. The Miata's hood is nicely stuffed. The headlights are nice, too. The rest of the car is underwhelming. It just does not look all new. That is probably it's biggest shortcoming. Fresh competition is on the way. Unfortunately, the Miata is all been there, done that.

jro4566
02-23-2005, 04:35 PM
If you're worried about power, just wait a year or so until the MAZDASPEED version comes out. Pocket rocket motoring at its finest...

Charger
02-23-2005, 04:50 PM
wow, I never noticed how dead on this chop was from Schulte<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autokampioen.nl/published/akm/content/afbeeldingen/toekomst/mazdmx5t_050223g-73534_enlarged_73635.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: autokampioen

chaserolls
02-23-2005, 06:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What do you call an Evo, an Sti, or a M5 then? Mum-mobiles?<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I call them sport sedans, along with many others I expect<p>Sports cars are typically impractical and uncomfortable with stiff suspension and competitive power outputs<p>The e36 m3 was a 'touring car', the e46 m3 is/was a 'sports car'<p>The miata is a touring car, it'd need stiffer suspension and more power to be considered more of a 'sports car' than a 'touring car'<br>

KebabGud
02-23-2005, 06:41 PM
the RX8 is not a sedan..<br>so its not a sport sedan..<br>remember.. the rear doors can only be used when the front door is open..<br>

spwolf
02-23-2005, 07:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>This criticism has been made of mazda since practically the begining. Mazda's response has always been that the MX5 is not a sports car, but rather a touring car and a drivers car. It's supposed to be a superbly balanced machine made for spirited driving (preferably through the twisty stuff). It is not intended to be an all out sports car and they have purposely avoided turning it into such. If you want one however perhaps they can interest you in a nice RX-8 (or a used rx-7).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you are correct. However, due to requirements of today's age, when you have 20k cars with more than 200hp and 30k cars with more than 300hp they should have planned higher powered version from the start.<p>That "excuse" was ok for an MR2 or Miata that were designed 6-7 years before, but I would hope that they do understand it today. That chasis deserves 200hp.<p>

Naga Royal Guard
02-23-2005, 07:42 PM
the MR2 Turbo wasnt no touring car tho <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

jim07044
02-24-2005, 09:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What do you call an Evo, an Sti, or a M5 then? Mum-mobiles?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sports sedans.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Anyway, there will probably be a Mazdaspeed version of the miata, for those who want more power. Also, V6 and V8 engines are expensive, need more space and take more fuel. It really would't be a miata would it?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Aftermarket turbo kits for the Miata routinely achieve 200-250 hp range, depending on boost and other settings. Are these variants no longer a Miata because they achieve higher performance?<p>I guess different people define the Miata as different things. To me, a Miata is small, light, and affordable. But the performance needs to be robust not meager. When Honda Accords and Nissan Maximas can out-accelerate Miatas, I think there is a problem. A V6 does not need to be too large or too heavy (i.e. VW VR6 can fit into a Golf engine bay) and engine management technologies have narrowed the fuel consumption gap between 4-cyl and 6-cyl engines (i.e. VW 1.8T 180-hp 4-cylinder engine is rated at 20/28 mpg, VW VR6 240-hp engine is rated at 19/26 mpg).<p>I think the real problem is that Mazda is not investing any or enough energy in developing/innovating new technologies for its products, while other car companies are and surpassing the "all show and no go" brands. Mazda only has the rotary engine legacy to its credit, and instead should be striving to achieve new performance and safety innovations for all of its vehicles.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>But above you just named a Chrysler 4-door with a Hemi as a sports car.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here is my original quote:<br>"In this day and age when Chrysler is installing V8 Hemi engines is many of its cars & trucks..."<p>Where do you see sports car referenced here? The context of the examples I listed was to demonstrate how other car companies are finding ways to raise the performance bar and keep prices reasonable. Many of these cars are seeing 50-100 hp gains at a time, while the Mazda sees 5-10 hp gains. Pretty lame, and now a economical disadvantage when the consumer can choose from a large array of high performance options within any given price tier.

JBlair
02-24-2005, 09:27 AM
From as far as we can tell, the engine is a lot more economical than the current engine, while making 20 more hp than the current engine. Add to that fact that the transmissions are now both 6 speed units, the performance should be much better than the current version.

Superfresa
02-25-2005, 04:37 PM
About the Power outputs criticism:<p>This car is not meant to compete with "Sport cars" as such. It has something very important, of which I am very grateful to Mazda: It kept the idea of a fun little car to drive, even if IT IS NOT A SPORTS CAR. That said, It is generally confused with one because it is so fun and pleasant to drive, and so quick being a normal car that it can nearly classify as a sport car, but its meant to be a sporty driver's car.<p>Here's something else very important: It didn't join the (somewhat ridiculous) horsepower war. At mazda they understood that this isn't competing with anything, and that a car can improve without the need of a 5.9HEMI.<p>It is a fantastic conception of what a fun car should be. Think back to the 50s, with the MGs and so on. The Mazda Miata is the only descendant of this type of car (cheap, fun, pleasant to drive).<p>Think about it this way. It is either a Mazda MX5 or your regular 1.8 litre sedan. Which is more thrilling to drive?<p><br>On another note, that is one of the sexyest gear shifters I've seen (that's an important detail for me on a "drivers car")

Nick
02-28-2005, 12:08 AM
The miata is a neat car, and while it hasn't changed drastically in it's lifetime, it doesn't really need to...while more power would be nice, it wasn't meant to pull fantastic numbers, it was made to be a fun, sporty car to drive for crusing on PCH with the top down etc....I am sure the solstice and sky will compete just fine with it, and just remember, they both have the 2.4 ecotec rated at 170 hp, not positive on the torque numbers though...those are probably really the most determining factors in any of these cars really...the solstics and sky should handle fairly well and be able to keep up with the miata even though they are a bit heavier...i mean, when you think about it, they are on shrunken corvette chassis more or less...the interiors are nice on all of these cars, and the great thing about the solstice is that it has stayed almost 100% true to concept and it will still be available with several options included for under 20 grand...not quite sure on miata pricing...but all these cars will put up a good fight and it is about time the miata got some competition...the future of these roadsters should prove to be quite interesting...though if I had to choose any of the 3, my choice would be the sky, though that opinion is solely based on styling...

AM2
02-28-2005, 04:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>This criticism has been made of mazda since practically the begining. Mazda's response has always been that the MX5 is not a sports car, but rather a touring car and a drivers car. It's supposed to be a superbly balanced machine made for spirited driving (preferably through the twisty stuff). It is not intended to be an all out sports car and they have purposely avoided turning it into such. If you want one however perhaps they can interest you in a nice RX-8 (or a used rx-7).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mazda could easily add a turbocharged Mazdaspeed version in the near future with over 200bhp for those interested in sportier Miata... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Thats what they did with the 2004 Miata when they felt that the 140bhp 1.8 was too weak. They added a 178bhp Mazdaspeed version.<br>I<p><br><i>Modified by AM2 at 7:41 PM 2/28/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 7:42 PM 2/28/2005</i>

Gian86
03-01-2005, 03:15 AM
Photos from Geneva motor show:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/IMG_1103.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/IMG_1107.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/IMG_1108.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/IMG_1110.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/mx5/images/IMG_1113.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autoweek.com

Redline
03-01-2005, 06:12 PM
Anyone really interested should go to <A HREF="http://www.newmx-5roadster.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.newmx-5roadster.com</A>. Its one of Mazda's sites for the new MX-5. The documentary, while long, is fantastic, and seeing it in red at the unvieling without the weird camera angles makes this car look even more fantastic.

Gian86
03-01-2005, 09:29 PM
People in Melbourne will see this car at melbourne motor show tomorrow which means that melbourne will be the first in the world to see this car in public!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

bimmerdude2k5
03-10-2005, 09:06 AM
Look like Maxda tried making thier Miata look like a '6' or RX8. The headlights remind me of the RX-8.

Santeno
03-10-2005, 10:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bimmerdude2k5</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look like Maxda tried making thier Miata look like a '6' or RX8. The headlights remind me of the RX-8.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well it is based on the rx-8 architechture. Plus, having a bit of a family resemblance never hurt.

AM2
03-10-2005, 11:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gian05</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People in Melbourne will see this car at melbourne motor show tomorrow which means that melbourne will be the first in the world to see this car in public!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Weren't the photos posted earlier of the new Miata/MX-5 from Geneva?<br>

DSC-OFF
06-01-2005, 08:00 AM
MX-5 Spec Miata<p><IMG SRC="http://www.seriouswheels.com/images/320-2006-Mazda-MX-5-Spec-Miata-RA.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Mazda-MX-5-Spec-Miata.htm" TARGET="_blank">More pics</A><p><br>MX-5 Limited<p><IMG SRC="http://www.seriouswheels.com/images/320-2006-Mazda-MX-5-Limited-SA.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Mazda-MX-5-Limited.htm" TARGET="_blank">More pics</A><p>Source: Seriouswheels

Redline
06-01-2005, 09:20 AM
Looks like another great spec racer, and another Miata with a special edition every year. I don't really like the chrome surrond in the grill of the limited, but the rest is awesome. Not to mention that spec is incredible. Is Mazda going to be offering a factory spec version of this one like they did the last generation?

Superfresa
06-01-2005, 09:33 AM
Does anyone have high resolution pics by now? Some should be available by now... I'd really like to see them...

DSC-OFF
06-01-2005, 09:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone have high resolution pics by now? Some should be available by now... I'd really like to see them...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Look up, there are lots from my last post

Superfresa
06-01-2005, 10:38 AM
Thanks, sorry I hadn't clicked because somehow I didn't see the link only the small pics....

kevinb120
06-01-2005, 02:16 PM
I have owned 2 first-gen Miatas and an RX7TT(93). I hate the rx8, and the 2nd gen MX5. I think it brings back enough of the elan-like MX-5 original to maybe win me back over. I like it a lot! It touches on a lot of the elements of the original(the successful one) miata and 'finishes' the incompleted boring look of the 2nd gen heavy miata. The second gen took a timeless car and made it invisible.

Uberwagon
06-01-2005, 10:34 PM
Yes, I checked with an insider at Mazda and, from what he says, they WILL be offering spec racers to customers. For anyone on this board with a few extra bucks and the urge to race, Spec Miata racing (first gen MX5's with stripped interiors, basic safety and suspension upgrades) is the best way to get into motorsport. It's affordable, competitive and the Miata rewards good drivers without punishing the bad ones too harshly (low horsepower means you have to carry your speed through the turns). And, with an SCCA license, you can even rent a well-sorted racer by the race or weekend! Check it out. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
06-17-2005, 07:21 AM
<A HREF="http://blog.mazda.jp/pre/blog/support/360/top.html" TARGET="_blank">360 degree view of MX-5 Mk3 Interior & Exterior</A><p><IMG SRC="http://blog.mazda.jp/pre/blog/support/img/img_process02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Mazda.jp<p>

Redline
06-17-2005, 10:16 AM
Wow, what a great looking car. Not that great of a 360 though. Awesome sound on those gauges, I hope thats real.

Rugbyplaya91
06-17-2005, 05:25 PM
so is that it, no more cars that are sold in the us have flip up lights?

Redline
06-17-2005, 06:55 PM
The generation before this didn't have pop-up headlights. Only the first generation did.

Rugbyplaya91
06-19-2005, 03:15 PM
haha oh i guess it didn't did it.. haha thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
06-23-2005, 09:51 PM
MAZDA ANNOUNCES PRICING INFO! And get this... it's <I>LOWER</I>.<p>Source: edmunds.com<p>KONA, Hawaii  The redesigned 2006 MX-5 Miata roadster will start at $20,995, including a $560 destination charge for the Club Spec trim with a five-speed manual transmission, when it hits the market in August, according to Mazda North American Operations. <p>That's a $1,663 price decrease from the base price of the 2005 model, which starts at $22,658.<p>Prices rise to $21,995 including destination for the 2006 Miata in MX-5 trim and $22,995 for the Touring edition. Both are equipped with a five-speed manual transmission. <p>Sport and Grand Touring models, with six-speed transmissions, start at $23,495 and $24,995. A top-of-the-line Limited model starts at $27,260, including destination. The Limited is equipped with a six-speed manual transmission and is available only in Velocity Red with a red or black leather cabin. Mazda says only 3,500 of these will be produced for sales worldwide, with the U.S. expected to get 750.<p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

ndjan
06-23-2005, 11:18 PM
Mazda has been doing an excellent job with the styling of the Miata over the years. It has always looked fresh, it has always looked good, it has always been both revolutionary and evolutionary, and it has always integrated the new design languages Mazda adopts. <br>You can always regonize the Miata, but you can always tell if it's been redesigned.<p>It successfully juggles timelessness and modernness.<p>The Miata should be the example that all car companies follow.

Redline
06-24-2005, 07:37 AM
Its good to see that they priced it right, they aren't simply going to give the Solstice a place in this class of cars are they? At least it means they're paying attention to it.

Superfresa
06-24-2005, 09:20 AM
Wow, an awesome car, and I would've never expected the price to be lower! That's amazing news! very cool indeed. One day I'll own one... hehe

SV
06-24-2005, 02:18 PM
wow, this may be a problem for the soltice/sky twins, although they should do well too. undoubtedly, though, mazda has a hit on its hands (although it would have sold strongly anyway) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
06-25-2005, 12:35 AM
Well, many cars like MX-5 are there both of geneva and melbourne motor shows few months ago at the same time but many car fans in melbourne did saw it first when this motor show opens few hours before geneva motor show also opens for public. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
06-25-2005, 09:33 AM
heh, nice pricing! And it has more equipment than base Solstice :-).

taskbearer
06-25-2005, 06:29 PM
The pricing has set this car for another world roadster domination. I appreciate what mazda has done with the car. They kept the best parts of the styling and took quality to a whole new level. The new MX-5s interior actually looks of higher quality than BMW Z4.<p>It nice for us to witness a car that replaces a legend in such a good way( the new S-class looks like another that is set to do the same). The BMW 5er and ford focus failed to match their predescors legendary status, but this car just hits the right notes. <p>We'll have to wait for roadtests to see if it holds up to what MX-5 enthusiasts are acustomed to.

syclone
06-26-2005, 02:14 AM
I'm really surprised at the pricing. I thought that with all the upgrades, especiially the interior, the base price would be around $25k and the Solstice would kill it in sales. This should be a very interesting one to follow. I really am happy that GM went ahead with the Solstice, but a Miata at the same price seems much more tempting to me. Like taskbearer said, we'll have to wait for some tests drives to see for sure.

spwolf
06-26-2005, 03:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm really surprised at the pricing. I thought that with all the upgrades, especiially the interior, the base price would be around $25k and the Solstice would kill it in sales. This should be a very interesting one to follow. I really am happy that GM went ahead with the Solstice, but a Miata at the same price seems much more tempting to me. Like taskbearer said, we'll have to wait for some tests drives to see for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>UK reviews are glowingly positive, perfect handling is mentioned many, many times... More space, modern looks, good engines, better dynamics, easy folding roof are positives while slightly cheaper interior plastics and high revving engine are slight negatives.<p>Got some of the best/most positive review I have ever read in UK magazines...

knicks125
09-08-2005, 07:36 PM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=107165" TARGET="_blank"><B>Full Test: 2006 Mazda MX-5</B></A><p>Just saw what it looked like the first US commercial - well done, great car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
09-30-2005, 08:21 AM
New Gallery Pics:<p><A HREF="http://www.autodeadline.com/Photos?Pop=Mazda&Model=MX-5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autodeadline.com/Ph...=MX-5</A>