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Charger
02-09-2005, 05:41 PM
<br>source: kia<p><i>Modified by Charger at 7:16 PM 2/9/2005</i> <p><br><IMG SRC="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0PAD3AnQRjQAqeYZKjqkZY7oxr0g0jghFwUSvATE8IhATK2xDv H1GVgz7TRM0PQtaPVbwrF3TbaijThgpXU4mkLSxmfyWiZjf/KIAa.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 8:26 PM 2/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 8:27 PM 2/9/2005</i>

SV
02-09-2005, 06:13 PM
i love those door handles...of course, it was already obvious from the spy pics and official sketches that it would get those door handles.<p>the front looks to be the weakest point of this car. the hood slopes TOO much, and the grille is awful <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>overall, though, it seems nice, but i'm gonna reserve my final judgement on the styling until i see more pictures. also, the spy shots indicate that the interior will be nice too; this will definitely be competitive with the best in this class.

Krypton
02-09-2005, 06:47 PM
i agree, the inrerior looked good but the front is a strong point, as long as the price is low im sure theyll sell

against the wall
02-09-2005, 08:28 PM
hating those door handles... makes the car look like it has 1 door on each side. the car besides the handles is eh

DoMiNo
02-09-2005, 09:02 PM
<I> <B>BLAH</B> </I>!!!<p>Can someone say "last-gen Odyssey" with a poorly-designed mix of Ford and Toyota upfront? Because that's exactly what this thing reminds me of. If Kia is going to steal some minivan sales, it won't be with this. Door handles I don't mind, though.<br>

alexr15
02-09-2005, 09:14 PM
I doubt most mininvans are sold because of their inspiring styling.

DoMiNo
02-09-2005, 11:10 PM
Doesn't mean they can't <I>TRY</I> to give it a little personality. Sheesh.

hunbin11
02-10-2005, 07:07 AM
Found this.... <br><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1108044003.jpg" BORDER="0">

hunbin11
02-10-2005, 07:09 AM
ENGINE/DRIVETRAIN<p>Type <br>3.8-liter V6, aluminum block and aluminum heads <p>Valve gear <br>DOHC, four valves/cylinder <p><br>Horsepower (hp @ rpm) <br>240 @ 6,000 (estimate) <p>Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) <br>250 @ 4,500 (estimate) <p>Transmission <br>Electronically-controlled five-speed automatic, overdrive <p><br>SUSPENSION <p><br>Front <br>Independent: MacPherson<br>struts with coil springs, stabilizer bar <br>Rear <br>Independent: Multi-link with coil springs, stabilizer bar <p>STEERING<p><br>Type <br>Power-assisted rack-and-pinion<p>Turns-to-lock <br>3.51<p>Turning circle (curb to curb) <br>39.6 ft.<p><br>DIMENSIONS (in) <p><br>EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS (in) <br>Wheelbase <br>118.9 <p>Track (front/rear) <br>66.3 / 66.3 <p>Overall length <br>202.0 <p>Overall width <br>78.3 <p>Overall height <br>69.3 <p>Ground Clearance <br>6.57 <p>INTERIOR DIMENSIONS (in) <p><br>Headroom (front/middle/rear) <br>40.9 / 39.8 / 38.3 <p>Shoulder room (front/middle/rear) <br>63.2 / 65.3 / 60.5 <p>Legroom (front/middle/rear) <br>41.7 / 40.9 / 34.0 <p>Hip room (front/middle/rear) <br>59.2 / 65.9 / 50.1 <p>Interior volume <br>172.27 cu ft <p>Passenger volume (front/middle/rear) <br>63.46 / 62.50 / 46.31 cu ft <p><br>BRAKES <p>Type <br>Hydraulic, vacuum power-assisted w/ABS and EBD <p>Front <br>11.7-in vented discs <p>Rear <br>11.9-in solid discs <p><br>WHEELS & TIRES <p><br>Tires <br>225/70R16 T<br>235/60R17 T <p>Wheels <br>6.5J x 16, steel<br>6.5J x 17, alloy <br>

knicks125
02-10-2005, 07:11 AM
overall a very nice car...good power, good styling, both the interior and the exterior looks great...nice find hunbin11

Banker
02-10-2005, 07:23 AM
So far, the interior looks great, the rear looks ok, but I don't like the nose. It reminds me too much of the old Nissan/Mercury minivans. Hopefully the Huyndia version will have a nicer nose on it.<p>Any more pics of the interior? I like the finish on the wood trim. I'm sure it is fake wood, but at least it isn't shiny.

carrera4
02-10-2005, 08:37 AM
from <A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com</A><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/2Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/3Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/5Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/7Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/4interior.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>

MrMGMan
02-10-2005, 01:03 PM
I'm really quite impressed with this. Everything about it looks upscale, without even the merest hint of it being a budget car, despite the fact it will doubtless be sold at bargain bin prices. I'm quite keen on the styling as a whole, and I love the door handles. I even like the grille, which injects some individuality into the otherwise rather generic nose, without veering into the ungainly, but without doubt, my favourite part of the design is the interior - everything looks well designed, neatly integrated and of a high quality. Even the fake wood looks almost acceptable without being garish or overly shiny and cheap. Even the steering wheel and instrument binnacle looks rather handsome.<p>Kudos to Kia, they're certainly coming up with the goods at long last. First the Sorento, then the Picanto, then the new Sportage, and now this. No doubt it will <B><I>EASILY</I></B> hang onto its position as the UK's best selling large MPV.<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MrMGMan at 12:12 PM 2/10/2005</i>

Player4
02-10-2005, 01:18 PM
I like it, its very well done from Kia to be able to fit Honda's and Toyota's standards and i guess that is a really good thing. The styling isnt the best or the modernest. Starting from the nose it look quite weird maybe its because of the headlights because they are narrow and pointing upwards, the rear is really nice tho i like it it reminds me of the Sportage and its kinda SUV'ish. The interior is quite surprising looks vey well done and yea its nice, but i just find the center stack to be overcrowded with buttons.<p>

Player4
02-10-2005, 01:51 PM
<I><B>2006 Kia Sedona</B><br><B>ON SALE:</B> Late 2005<br><B>ESTIMATED PRICE:</B> about $20,000<br><B>BASE POWERTRAIN:</B> 3.8 liter, 240 hp, 250 lb ft V6; fwd, five speed automatic<br><B>CURB WEIGHT:</B> N/A<br><B>WHAT'S COOL:</B> Kia has been keeping tabs on the main players in the minivan segment and loaded the new Sedona with the critical elements - flat-folding third-row seat; horsepower in the mid-200 range; roll down windows in the sliding doors; optional power operation for the sliding doors and liftgate; and the full complement of airbags. Even though the new Sedona is bigger than the model it replaces, Kia says the 2006 model will weigh less than its predecessor.<br><B>WHAT AUTOMAKER SAYS:</B> "Already a popular choice for buyers looking for value, quality and safety, the completely redesigned minivan will offer more horsepower than its predecessor and will be substantially larger in all key dimensions, providing more passenger room and versatility."</I><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z17Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z17Sedona.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...a.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z21Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z21Sedona.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...a.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z47Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z47Sedona.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...a.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z16Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/z16Sedona.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...a.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.AutoWeek.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.AutoWeek.com</A>

Charger
02-10-2005, 01:53 PM
Ill take the drawing that was shown earlier.

Banker
02-10-2005, 02:48 PM
The interior looks great. KIA managed to offer a third row fold flat seat that doesn't have the annoying hooks on the side wall like the 2000-2004 Honda and the current Ford and Mercury vans.

autodanse
02-10-2005, 03:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So far, the interior looks great, the rear looks ok, but I don't like the nose. It reminds me too much of the old Nissan/Mercury minivans. Hopefully the Huyndia version will have a nicer nose on it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ha! I knew that nose looked familiar.. overall definitely impressed by this one, though.. good job, kia <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-10-2005, 03:18 PM
The interior looks really good and the exterior is typical kia, the price is going to sell this

jro4566
02-10-2005, 04:08 PM
So far, it's a notch above the CSVs for me. Kia did a good job on this one, even though it doesn't look that great.

anonms
02-10-2005, 04:43 PM
Looks like Kia implanted Toyota's third-row seat into an updated interior with an exterior that improved except for the front end.<p>I like the door handles. <p>If the nose were more truck-like, then this would look more like an SUV than GM's CSVs, IMO.

Andre
02-10-2005, 08:38 PM
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DoMiNo
02-10-2005, 08:50 PM
This vehicle will excel at nothing. Good thing it will be cheap. But that estimate of "under $20,000" I don't quite believe.

JBlair
02-10-2005, 08:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This vehicle will excel at nothing. Good thing it will be cheap. But that estimate of "under $20,000" I don't quite believe.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It lands already ahead of all domestic entries, save for the DCX minvans, and will offer almost all of the same features as some of the other Imports for less. I'd say thats excelling at a lot. If I had to guess, I'd say that this will start at $19,995 and move up from there. That way Kia can appeal to a part of the minivan market which has all but been abandonded by the more established players.

eps
02-10-2005, 10:42 PM
how do you know it won't excel at anything? Have you personally driven this van?

DoMiNo
02-10-2005, 11:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>eps</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you know it won't excel at anything? Have you personally driven this van?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No I have not personally driven the car, but I'm simply stating the obvious. The styling is generic, an awkward bricolage of minivans past; the interior is functional but it doesn't set itself apart in any way (except, perhaps, the matte finish on the fake wood). It may have decent power but like the previous Sedona it will probably weigh MUCH more than its competitors, and will probably get worse gas mileage, too. <p>And then there's the "Kia stigma," as I like to call it, which continues to repel (American) buyers from the brand (even though their sales do continue to grow).<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 6:18 PM 2/11/2005</i>

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 12:16 AM
I agree with DoMiNo. I would prefer to pay the extra money and get a good looking and great driving Oddessy. But most soccer mums just want a to b transpost, so it will sell like hotcakes...

DoMiNo
02-11-2005, 12:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with DoMiNo. I would prefer to pay the extra money and get a good looking and great driving Oddessy. But most soccer mums just want a to b transpost, so it will sell like hotcakes...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dunno man... some soccer moms these days are pretty vain...

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 12:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I dunno man... some soccer moms these days are pretty vain...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
02-11-2005, 09:32 AM
I wonder how much less this will weigh. Kia keeps saying it will weigh a lot less (which isn't hard considering that the current one weighs 4800 pounds), but hopefully it will get down to where the Odyssey and Sienna are in terms of weight.

knicks125
02-11-2005, 09:42 AM
4,799 is my guess...that's a lot less <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
02-11-2005, 09:49 AM
Why does KIA have a dual zone air condition and new Sonata doesn't?

r0b
02-11-2005, 10:52 AM
The dash looks fine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/special1107914492.jpg" BORDER="0">

JBlair
02-11-2005, 11:02 AM
Those silver painted controls look so much better than the black ones.

spwolf
02-11-2005, 11:10 AM
of course they do... interior looks interesting, of course without the wood :-)... Exterior is not up to par...<p>Hopefully they will improve the safety

knicks125
02-11-2005, 11:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hopefully they will improve the safety</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sedona has five stars in crash safety rating, tested by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), so why do they still need to improve safety, it's already at the top, they can't really get anything better than five stars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Of course, I'd expect nothing less than five starts on the 06 version <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

hunbin11
02-11-2005, 01:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those silver painted controls look so much better than the black ones.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think that silver interior is for only domestic (Korean) model. The current domestic model are coming with silver interior. I do not know why, but think they believe that silver interior would not work in the States.<p>The picture below is the interior shot of current domestic Sedona (Carnival).<br><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-B_00457102.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 12:54 PM 2/11/2005</i>

spwolf
02-11-2005, 03:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sedona has five stars in crash safety rating, tested by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), so why do they still need to improve safety, it's already at the top, they can't really get anything better than five stars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Of course, I'd expect nothing less than five starts on the 06 version <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i thought we talked about this already? Sedona got one of the worst reviews ever in EuroNCAP:<br><A HREF="http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=5&id2=167" TARGET="_blank">http://www.euroncap.com/conten...2=167</A><p>But i guess Sedona might crash differently in the US afterall, at least thats your line of thinking apperantly... Who cares about some stupid european tests while we are in the US, right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
02-11-2005, 03:56 PM
remember: different tests, different standards, different countries, different cars, the US version may be better built, or maybe because the steering wheel is on the left there is not the "**" tank pressing against it, yadda yadda yadda. so really, we should not be arguing EUROncap vs NHTSA at all anywhere.

scorpio14
02-11-2005, 06:02 PM
WOW its got REAL wood on the dash.....im suprised even cheap cars are gettin it and companys like BMW (i think they still do) etc still use the plastic wood grain efects on their cars<p>The car looks too American (dont like it) BUT if i had to buy a People Mover i would probably have this near the top (unless Toyota replace the Avensis Verso and Estima (Tarago) soon)

knicks125
02-11-2005, 06:35 PM
spwolf, I noted your point, but as andre pointed out, different countries have different test standards, so unless a certain car does horrible, or great <B>everywhere</B>, there is no point to bring up the quality issue b/c we have members from all over the world. In some countries the rating might be good, while in others it might be terrible, so the only time worthly of bring up this issue is when a car score similar (good or bad) all over the world, not when various scores can be mentioned.<p>The only reason I brought it up is because you started first. I respect Europe's test, but I don't live there, so as long I continue to reside here, I will continue to go by the ratings here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> again no disrepect to Europe's test standards

LEXUS FAN!
02-13-2005, 11:37 AM
the door handles freak me out<p>i would prefer sienna or oddyssey

hunbin11
03-05-2005, 07:36 PM
I found this information in Edmunds.com. FYI.<p> 2006 Sedona Sedona caravan Oddesey Sienna <br>==============================================<br>length 202 194.1 200.5 201 200 <br>width 78.3 74.6 78.6 77.1 77.4 <br>height 69.3 69.3 68.6 70 68.9 <br>wheelbase 118.9 114.6 119.3 118.1 119.3 <br> <br>cargo 147 128 168 145 149 <br>hp 240(est) 195 215 255 230 <br>tq 250+(est) 218 245 250 242 <p>Just for comparison <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>BTW, any news on Hyundai minivan?<p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 6:42 PM 3/5/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 6:42 PM 3/5/2005</i>

knicks125
03-05-2005, 08:02 PM
good info there <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>as for the hyundai minivan, all i know is that it's going to be called entourage, which I think is a great name, its minivan is going to be longer than the new Sedona - so LWB, and probably based on the same platform that would be used on the Kia concept that was shown in Detroit, what was called again, it's not coming to me...let me check on that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>oh probably due out in late 06 as a 07 model

Soul Man
03-05-2005, 09:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good info there <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>as for the hyundai minivan, all i know is that it's going to be called entourage, which I think is a great name, its minivan is going to be longer than the new Sedona - so LWB, and probably based on the same platform that would be used on the Kia concept that was shown in Detroit, what was called again, it's not coming to me...let me check on that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>oh probably due out in late 06 as a 07 model</TD></TR></TABLE><br>do you mean the hyundai portico concept?<br>how do you know itll be bigger, frankly, ill be surprised if it is, considering that the sedona is already one of the biggest now in the class.<br>also, wouldnt the hyundai minivan be based off the saem platform as the sedona?<br>

Hornbag
03-05-2005, 09:51 PM
I thought the next MPV from Kia (the Entourage) would be a smaller Focus C-Max sized car?

Soul Man
03-05-2005, 10:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought the next MPV from Kia (the Entourage) would be a smaller Focus C-Max sized car?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>well maybe the entourage name will only be used on a large minivan in the NA market while the rest of the world will see it on a small mapv

knicks125
03-05-2005, 10:17 PM
The entourage name will be used by Hyundai, not Kia. I believe Hyundai has already trademarked this name in many markets. That said, I am pretty sure it would be used on Hyundai's new minivan but not certain.<p>Dooey, regarding your question about why I think the Hyundai minivan would be bigger than Kia's new Sedona. Oh, just a hunch, as Hyundai lineup is usally bigger (and more powerful) than its sister products, so that much I am sure. The platform I was thinking about was the Kia Mesa concept, and I heard when it was unveiled during NYIAS that it is nearly production ready and would be possibly shared by the Hyundai minivan. I doubt the portico, as it is still a concept, very much a concept, although it is wave of the future <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-05-2005, 10:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The entourage name will be used by Hyundai, not Kia. I believe Hyundai has already trademarked this name in many markets.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep, trademarked 5/26 & 8/25 of last year (2004) for Hyundai Motor America & Hyundai Auto Canada, repsectively <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
03-05-2005, 11:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yep, trademarked 5/26 & 8/25 of last year (2004) for Hyundai Motor America & Hyundai Auto Canada, repsectively <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>But, Hyundai owns Kia, so it could be for both. Hyundai Motor America and Hyundai Auto Canada include both the Hyundai and Kia brands. When a name is registered for Dodge, DCX is the company that does that. So I wouldn't use that as your reason.<p>Although, I'm not disagreeing with you, I too think that the Entourage name will be used as a Hyundai model, possibly their Minivan.

knicks125
03-06-2005, 07:25 AM
Really, I was not aware of such, I had thought Hyundai and Kia would separately trademark their cars, my fault then <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

hunbin11
03-06-2005, 08:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dooey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>do you mean the hyundai portico concept?<br>how do you know itll be bigger, frankly, ill be surprised if it is, considering that the sedona is already one of the biggest now in the class.<br>also, wouldnt the hyundai minivan be based off the saem platform as the sedona?<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dooey. As you mentioned they are based on the same platform. It's been reported in many sourcese that Hyundai minivan will come in only long wheelbase version, and Kia minivan will come in both long and short version, which means upcoming Hyundai minivan will have approximately the same dimension as new Sedona introduced in Chicago autoshow (which is long version). I just wanted to know when it will be introduced and how similar it will be to new Sedona <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 7:23 AM 3/6/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hunbin11 at 7:25 AM 3/6/2005</i>

hunbin11
03-06-2005, 08:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really, I was not aware of such, I had thought Hyundai and Kia would separately trademark their cars, my fault then <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you were right. Although Kia is owned by Hyundai in Korea, their American branches have been run independently to each other. So, if the name was registered by Hyundai America, it should be for Hyundai. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-06-2005, 08:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hunbin11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Dooey. As you mentioned they are based on the same platform. It's been reported in many sourcese that Hyundai minivan will come in only long wheelbase version, and Kia minivan will come in both long and short version, which means upcoming Hyundai minivan will have approximately the same dimension as new Sedona introduced in Chicago autoshow (which is long version). I just wanted to know when it will be introduced and how similar it will be to new Sedona <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 7:23 AM 3/6/2005</i><p><br><i>Modified by hunbin11 at 7:25 AM 3/6/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was under the impression that the new hyundai minivan - entourage, would be designed under the same platform as the kia concept vehichle mesa, which is nearly production ready, and I think should hit the showroom about the same time as the new Hyundai minivan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Soul Man
03-06-2005, 09:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I was under the impression that the new hyundai minivan - entourage, would be designed under the same platform as the kia concept vehichle mesa, which is nearly production ready, and I think should hit the showroom about the same time as the new Hyundai minivan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>the entourage is a minivan, the mesa was a body on frame suv, it may be a platform close to production, but if hyundai wants to be competitive (and sproty) in the minivan market i would think they would avoid a body on frame platform.

knicks125
03-06-2005, 12:20 PM
and you point being...<p>are you saying that using mesa's platform can't make hyundai's minivan sporty and competitive? btw, a minivan is used as a people mover, it doesn't have to be sporty to be competitive.<p>there are no confirmations yet from hyundai about details of its upcoming entourage, i've only heard it from a leaked source, but as I said before, i am not 100% certain. I'd like to find out where you heard that the entourage would be built based on the sedona platform <p>thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-06-2005, 01:23 PM
Hyundai hasn't named the van yet. As previously mentioned, Kia is getting a long an short version. The Sedona should be out first, then Hyundai's. The new Sedona will be built of the same platform as Hyundai's van. The redesign(Sedona) and new van (Hyundai) were done side by side. I hate using this analogy but the will be like a Dodge van (bare bones(Kia)) compared to a Town and Country (Hyundai), more luxury apointments. I really think this will be the first joint model were you will see the different directions both comapanies are aiming for.

knicks125
03-06-2005, 01:26 PM
thank you mega, the answers i was looking for...appreciate your expertise as always <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
03-06-2005, 02:14 PM
<I>"Hyundai hasn't named the van yet. As previously mentioned, Kia is getting a long an short version. The Sedona should be out first, then Hyundai's. The new Sedona will be built of the same platform as Hyundai's van." </I><p>I wonder if Hyundai will change the name of their current van if it goes from RWD/4X4 to FWD. <br>...or could it be a parallel model and not a replacement?<br>Right now the closest thing they have to a minivan is a Chevy Astro style RWD minivan called Hyundai Starex or H1.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.motioncars.com/carchart/photos/hyundai_starex.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 5:21 AM 3/7/2005</i>

hunbin11
03-06-2005, 02:37 PM
Mega, do you know when Hyundai minivan will be introduced?

megadethmartyr
03-06-2005, 03:43 PM
current time table puts it out next year, during the summer.

Soul Man
03-06-2005, 04:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and you point being...<p>are you saying that using mesa's platform can't make hyundai's minivan sporty and competitive? btw, a minivan is used as a people mover, it doesn't have to be sporty to be competitive.<p>there are no confirmations yet from hyundai about details of its upcoming entourage, i've only heard it from a leaked source, but as I said before, i am not 100% certain. I'd like to find out where you heard that the entourage would be built based on the sedona platform <p>thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>youre right the entourage doesnt have to be sporty to be competitive, BUT, hyundai lately (with the exception of the new xg) appears ot be taking a moderately sporty path, and due to the fact that body on frame vehicles have a higher center of gravity they tend to have more roll. im sure hyundai could make a body on frame minivan and still be competitive, but a unit body design simply offers what the current minivan public is asking for, a carlike ride, with some crispness in the handling. It is much easier to achieve this goal with a unit body platform.<p>thank you mega for confirming my suspicions.

megadethmartyr
03-06-2005, 06:15 PM
Hyundai uses strictly unibody design on their vehicles are every U.S. SUV. Based on that, I whole heartedly expect the Sedona and Hyundai's van to be the same, meaning unibody. It adds to handling, better ride, as well reduces the chances of frame squeaks at higher mileage, for a few examples.

Fafa
03-07-2005, 04:31 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.nissanfanseite.de/Presage-2003-06.jpg" BORDER="0"><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I think they are too much similar, except that the Kia has (even) less personality.

piokor
03-08-2005, 03:51 PM
The Nissan looks so much nicer and crisper. Why can't they put a little more attention on the details?

SV
03-08-2005, 04:24 PM
how is there any similarity <I>at all</I> between those two cars, other than the fact that they're minivans and have four wheels? okay, the headlights are vaguely similar, but that's it.

alexr15
03-08-2005, 05:00 PM
I agree, they're both minivans with slightly similar headlights but that's about it...

hunbin11
03-08-2005, 05:14 PM
I, too, agree with sv and alexr15.

spwolf
03-08-2005, 05:23 PM
I really see nothing there... But if anyone cares enough to show pics of Ford Windstar, I think an decent point could be made :-)

Rugbyplaya91
03-08-2005, 06:14 PM
cheap minivan, cheap styling.. nothing out of the ordinary.. <p>a nice refreshment for the sedona

Roadster44
03-08-2005, 09:55 PM
Interior is bland and looks cheap.

Fafa
03-09-2005, 02:43 AM
The headlights is one of the few elements that can make the difference between two minivans, and there are so much possibilities that a vaguely similar headlights is a serious fault.<p>I agree with piokor 06, the Sedona is like an impersonal version of the Nissan.

Blackraven
03-10-2005, 01:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fafa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.nissanfanseite.de/Presage-2003-06.jpg" BORDER="0"><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I think they are too much similar, except that the Kia has (even) less personality. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Between the Nissan Presage and the Kia minivan on the right, I pick the Nissan.<p>In terms of design that is.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 05:36 AM
The comparison above is really bad, do you guys have to do a comparison everytime to make yourself feel better?<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interior is bland and looks cheap.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is a statement I've heard way too many times. Looks cheap doesn't mean anything...it's how it feels that counts (looks doesn't mean sh** and your eyes don't tell you every single true fact <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> ). You guys here put way too much emphasis on how the car looks rather than the useful of the car. In this case, it's a minivan, not a sports coupe.

Roadster44
03-10-2005, 09:55 AM
Right that's why new Toyota Sienna is a run-away success and one of its if not the most strongest selling points is the look, high quality feel of the interior...(not to mention practicality) which makes customers feel like they are in a Lexus.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 10:05 AM
I wouldn't go that far and say the sienna is a run-away when the success of the odessey, town and country, maybe quest is well noted (although quest has nice styling, safety is a big concern, there is another reason why styling isn't the judgment factor in deciding a car's fate).<p>At any rate, I think any decent minivan will have success in the minivan market. Proven by the above brands/models, the new Sedona, as well as the upcoming Hyundai minivan will do very well in this class <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
03-10-2005, 10:12 AM
Ford Freestar is a decent van...which is getting discontinued. Minivan market is very rough right now and unless your company has an outstanding product...its doomed to fail. Quest is not even doing well and its a good, but not a great product.

knicks125
03-10-2005, 10:32 AM
IMO, I never thought Freestar was that great of a product, but minivans such as Odessey, Sienna, Town & Country, Quest, and Sedona are great products made by some of the top automakers right now in the world.<p>NOTE: Chrsyler & Kia are affiliates of DCX & Hyundai, respectively.

AM2
03-10-2005, 11:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO, I never thought Freestar was that great of a product, </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Freestar is a heavily modified Windstar... and Chevrolet's Uplander is a heavily modified Venture... I read somewhere that the Uplander is doing ok... Is the Uplander actually doing better than the Freestar?

knicks125
03-10-2005, 12:23 PM
not sure about that, but i know uplander is doing okay...good looking car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
03-10-2005, 04:13 PM
Never THOUGHT Freestar was a decent product? Hmmm....I'm done.

Marlon_JBT
03-11-2005, 05:18 PM
If I'm not mistaken, DCX sold their stake in Hyundai.... so that is no more.

megadethmartyr
03-11-2005, 11:15 PM
DCX has NO stake in Hyundai. I would also suggest leaving the quest out of any "quality" comparisons. You could make a book out of the recalls on that thing. In a market where if you make a halfway decent van you'll sell them, Nissan has come up limping with that HUGE miscalculation. Maybe they should go back in with Mercury on that van thing...<br>DCX makes an average van that sells alot. You'll lose you ass trying to sell or trade it, but there's alot out there. Best van right now is Toyota, hands down. Ouch, that hurt

Roadster44
03-12-2005, 08:32 AM
Very very true. Quest has been a disaster to say the least...with recalls, interior fit and finish, lack of flexibility, styling and that center dash.<p>Although I'm pretty sure that facelifted model will address a lot of those concerns. Carlos Ghosn is not the man you'd want to disappoint so I'm sure he has laid out a plan.

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 02:18 PM
I just figure Nissan should take their lumps with the Quest and start redesigning it NOW! Nissan has done a great job of exterior design on their current lineup, but interior and exterior quality have gone done the tubes. The still have unbeatable engines and trannys though.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 06:46 PM
Mega those are some very ripe facts about Nissan. In case anyone doubts look at the number or quality issues that vehicle has had by checking out consumer's reports ownership survey and their own test of that vehicle. Windstar/Freestar whatever was never able/capable of competing with even DCX so why even bother making comparison with that brand?<p>If Kia/Hyundai do their homework carefully they shouldn't have any trouble selling up to thir quota. There's that "if" factor. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 07:38 PM
The way I see it, with vans and trucks, there is only so much you can do. Example, Detroit will never lose their grip on the truck market. Nissan and Toyota can't steal those customers. Van buyers on a budget will buy Dodge/Chrysler vans. These are the customers that live and die by incentives, no matter how horrible they are to resale and market value of the brands. Toyota and Honda sell their share of vans, but will never own the truck or van markets the way they are the front runners in the car markets. (BTW, Honda's "truck" is a joke). If Kia and Hyundai want to have sucess in the van market it is essential they make van that has wide spread appeal. note to Nissan: Vans CANNOT be segment busters, it doesn't work. They aren't sporty, they aren't power beasts, they are people movers in the purest sense. If you try and buck that trend you end up with, well, a Quest.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 08:05 PM
mega that was a straight up $$ post. Along those lines can anyone doubt why the GM's Aztec (reminds me of you *ss) was such a flop? Like you said mega why re-invent the wheel.

Top Secret
03-12-2005, 08:13 PM
Actually mega, I don't know about America, but here in Australia, minivans are decidedly getting a lot more driver-focused and more sporty e.g Honda Odyssey. Now, it seems a lot of other makers are copying the trend. So yes, minivans can be sporty.

Naga Royal Guard
03-12-2005, 08:15 PM
JDM minivans are pretty " funky" too, the mazda5 ( i think ) is a good deviation for the US market

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 09:26 PM
I was getting at what the majority of buyer are looking for in a van in their largest market for things as such. If they were truly sporty and a gotta have type vehicle the masses were lining up to get other than the sheer necessity, luxury brands would have them (no Chrysler doesn't count yet) because of market demand. The majority of van buyers would probably rather not have one, they buy them because 1) they need the seating 2)they need the cargo 3)they don't want to buy a tank. To sell a minivan, all you have to do is make a competant, SAFE, comfortable people mover. Toyota would most likely never refer to it's brand image as sporty, and neither should Honda. Mazda makes sense they market it as such, but a far capacities go, Mazda comes up well short of the competition. Should mention Ford should blow up every Freestar it has. Give up and just stick with the Freestyle.

LEXUS FAN!
03-12-2005, 09:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/rolls-royce/rolls_royce_phantom_2003_01_s.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autogaleria.pl/tape...s.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>what's the point of having a picture of the phantom?...:)<p>is it because they both have suicide door handles

Top Secret
03-13-2005, 01:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was getting at what the majority of buyer are looking for in a van in their largest market for things as such. If they were truly sporty and a gotta have type vehicle the masses were lining up to get other than the sheer necessity, luxury brands would have them (no Chrysler doesn't count yet) because of market demand. The majority of van buyers would probably rather not have one, they buy them because 1) they need the seating 2)they need the cargo 3)they don't want to buy a tank. To sell a minivan, all you have to do is make a competant, SAFE, comfortable people mover. Toyota would most likely never refer to it's brand image as sporty, and neither should Honda. Mazda makes sense they market it as such, but a far capacities go, Mazda comes up well short of the competition. Should mention Ford should blow up every Freestar it has. Give up and just stick with the Freestyle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, the Odyssey in Australia is the most popular minivan in Australia - and it doesn't even have a lap-sash seatbelt in the thrid row! So it must be doing something right with its more 'sporty' minivan.

megadethmartyr
03-13-2005, 12:14 PM
Brands throw the word "sporty" around way too much these days. I even heard an Echo called sporty.

knicks125
03-14-2005, 08:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Brands throw the word "sporty" around way too much these days. I even heard an Echo called sporty. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>YES...as every car is trying to be sproty more and more, espeically on minvans, but is it sporty for the consumers, that is a different story <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-14-2005, 03:55 PM
I am not even sure what sporty means anymore. Slap a spoiler on it and it's sporty!

deltaz
03-15-2005, 06:37 PM
"slap a spoiler on it and it's sporty."-mega LoL! Gawd that really rattles my kischkies when manufacturers do that crap. Like it's going to take off to the moon and back. Seriously I saw a spoiler on that Nissan mini-mistake and man it looked putrid. Even if it was afer-market it should be illegal. On the other hand sporty could be mean a generic term for a missing link in the design.<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-16-2005, 06:41 AM
don't know why some people think echo is sporty but i guess that's why we all have different views <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-16-2005, 10:46 AM
There is no way anyone with any amount of intelligence would ever call ANY van sporty. There aren't.

syclone
03-19-2005, 09:40 AM
i always thought this van was pretty sporty. then again, it is a one off with a v12<p><IMG SRC="http://www.planetboredom.net/pix/data/media/34/renualt_Espace_F1_Concept_1995.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>bot -<br>i dont think there is anything overwhelmingly great about the sedona, and i don't think that is the best on the market. still, it appears to be above average - definitely more convincing than the offereings from ford, gm, and nissan - and its quite a bit cheaper than the class leaders. it probably won't scare honda, as the new odyssey is great enough to attract its share of customers, but the others better watch out.

knicks125
03-19-2005, 09:40 AM
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megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 10:50 AM
The Sedona won't be a sugment buster by any means. But it's not intended to be. I would have to disagree on the new Odessy. The previous one looked much better. Honda seems to be getting quirky with their designs and it ain't pretty. They should go back to being boring, that way they don't get anymore "brilliant" ideas (ie:The Ridgeline)

Andre
03-19-2005, 11:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They should go back to being boring, that way they don't get anymore "brilliant" ideas (ie:The Ridgeline)</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>*GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSPPPPPP*<p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Trying to breath... that was too good. I'm actually surprised the Ridgline doesn't look half bad in person, and it was generating quite a bit of interest.. the way the Element did when it first came out. Problem is, the Element has been slowing down a lot now that the design is old.<p>Nah, Sedona has hit the nail on the head with this, it's not revoluionary, but it has most of the most desired features, it's name isn't stained for the most part (ok, K I A needs to be replaced, while Hyundai has worked their way up to respect... still <b>K</b>illed <b>I</b>n <b>A</b>ction isn't the best name for a car company)<p>I would def. look at it were I in the market for a minivan.

megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 11:40 AM
That's good, never thought of Killed in Action. Well, aparently the old sportages fit that well. I am anxious to drive a Ridgeline and see how it handles speed bumps. I bet it's a speed bump monster.

hunbin11
05-14-2005, 09:16 AM
KDM interior....<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=34501&page=1&select=&content=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...tent=</A>

knicks125
05-14-2005, 12:27 PM
wow...<p>i only wish if hyundai/kia can bring these over (hyundai's NAV first :-)

megadethmartyr
05-17-2005, 12:14 AM
Well, Hyundai's version shuold be out next summer/fall with the Tib. At least that is the surrent time table.

rasmien
07-02-2005, 03:06 PM
Nobody has any idea of Diesel engines for Europe?

himi
07-03-2005, 04:11 AM
The new sedona will have, (in S.Korea), two 2,9 litre wgt CRDI diesel engines. One will have 145hp and other 170 hp

hp1513
07-13-2005, 07:03 PM
<IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121241977.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121241977_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121242027.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121242027_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121242068.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hp1513 at 4:27 AM 7/14/2005</i>

anonms
07-13-2005, 07:31 PM
I might be alone on this, but I think "Kia Carnival" sounds much better than "Kia Sedona".

knicks125
07-14-2005, 06:11 AM
hp1513, great pictures.<p>Looks refined, stylish and rugged.<p>I want the Navi...

knicks125
07-14-2005, 06:25 AM
<A HREF="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200507/kt2005071419312111910.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://times.hankooki.com/lpag...0.htm</A><p>Unveiled in its home market, to come to the US in the fall<p><B>EDIT:</B> Official unveiling with pics...wish those girls come with the car, with at least one import <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200507/14/200507142302323939900090609062.html" TARGET="_blank">http://joongangdaily.joins.com....html</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 12:08 PM 7/14/2005</i>

AM2
07-14-2005, 06:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I might be alone on this, but I think "Kia Carnival" sounds much better than "Kia Sedona".</TD></TR></TABLE><br>In the Korean website of Kia, it says Kia "Grand Carnival". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I've seen an old version and it says Carnival Park at the rear.

knicks125
07-14-2005, 06:38 AM
I don't think the name Carnival would work too well in the US, just my speculation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
07-14-2005, 08:17 AM
Any word on when the Huyndia version of this minivan will be introduced?

knicks125
07-14-2005, 08:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any word on when the Huyndia version of this minivan will be introduced?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Last I heard in Jan 06 which will go on sale but might be delayed. We will probably see the unveil date sometimes late fall/early winter ???<p>For those interested, here is the thread on the Hyundai Entourage:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=15429" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=15429</A>

03ggelement
07-14-2005, 03:55 PM
I'm curious about the 11-seat Grand Carnival it talks about. Does it really seat 11? If so, where did they find the extra space for the seats? Any pictures?

Miyka'el
07-14-2005, 04:28 PM
Here you go: <p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/image_view.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...w.jpg</A><p>Mike

Soul Man
07-14-2005, 04:44 PM
wow thats either a very big minivan or a very squished cabin, probably a combo of both

03ggelement
07-14-2005, 04:50 PM
^ Agreed! Thanks for the picture!<br> |<br> |<br> |<br> |

Cadillac_TheNewStandard
07-14-2005, 06:59 PM
Wow, eleven seats!?!? From what I've read, the next generation Hyundai/Kia minivans will only be sold here as long wheelbase models. I wonder if that mean's that we'll be getting the 11 seat version here in the states?...

knicks125
07-14-2005, 07:09 PM
The 11 seat is the Grand Carnival, the regular Carnival is the one that is sold here in NA as the Sedona and will be released sometimes this Fall. As for the idea of 11 seats, I just don't think that would happen here in NA. I think both the Carnival/Sedona and the Entourage would be sold with only three rows of seats, since space is quite a large factor for many minivan shoppers.<p>The entourage would be released with LWB only, that is confirmed. The Carnival/Sedona would then be released with both SWB and LWB.

Miyka'el
07-14-2005, 08:59 PM
No problem! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike

knicks125
07-15-2005, 07:00 AM
<A HREF="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200507/14/200507142302323939900090609062.html" TARGET="_blank">http://joongangdaily.joins.com....html</A><p>I will take mine with these four, and still two empty rows to spare (at least six more) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
07-15-2005, 09:56 AM
I like the interior. With those nice looking materials and ample room and seats, it kind of reminds me of the interior of a luxury yacht! Way to go Kia, but the front end is still a little odd looking. Everthing else is really really nice though.

knicks125
08-16-2005, 05:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AutoNews</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sedona <br>The redesigned Sedona minivan arrives in January in short- and long-wheelbase versions. The short-wheelbase models will offer a choice of a 3.3-liter or 3.8-liter V-6, while the long-wheelbase version likely will offer only the 3.8-liter V-6.</TD></TR></TABLE>

enron
08-17-2005, 01:48 AM
I don't like the interior dash setup. It looks way too clustered in one central area. I think it would look better if they laid it out more in a horizontal spread making the front interior area bigger and spacious. I wish they would design the interior dash area something like what the new honday odyssey.<p>The front looks like a cross between toyo sienna and the freestar.

Nodnarb
09-27-2005, 10:32 AM
<A HREF="http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_new_sedona_blow/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_n...x.htm</A> <p>It's going to "blow the doors off the competition." Or so they say.

nismo
01-22-2006, 01:04 AM
<A HREF="http://sedona.kia.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://sedona.kia.com/</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

jhaber
01-22-2006, 08:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Miyka┬Łel</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here you go: <p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/image_view.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...w.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Golly gee that's a lot of floor mats in there! And I love how the left rear interior panel is just hanging there, and how you can see the cutaway lines beneath the right rearmost seats... but damn, 11 seats, that's Econoline territory. Looks a hell of a lot more comfortable than that beast though.<p><br>What differentiates the Sedona from the Carnival? There's a pic of the Carnival in the Entourage thread with a different back end....??<p><br>*

knicks125
01-22-2006, 08:55 AM
The Carnival and Sedona is one vehicle, many parts of the world this van is known as the Carnival, and in NA, at least, it is called the Sedona.<p>The picture is the Grand Carnival, and correct, it seats 11, very rommy and nicely designed, I might add. Perfect for the ultimate road trip <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And the picture posted in the Entourage thread is the Carnival/Sedona photoshopped as the Hyundai Trajet, not certain though. Mike, correct?

jhaber
01-22-2006, 08:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jhaber</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What differentiates the Sedona from the Carnival? There's a pic of the Carnival in the Entourage thread with a different back end....??<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I did a little more research on this and it appears that the Carnival in this photo -- <A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...6.jpg</A> -- is a lot shorter than the Sedona in photos posted in this thread already. Look especially at the space between the taillights and the rear wheel, and the rear wheel and the door. Also, the hood is much more defined (and better-looking) on the Carnival than on the Sedona. My problem is that earlier in this thread or in the Entourage thread, can't remember which, there are pics of the new Sedona badged as a Carnival.<p>If someone could straighten this out for me that'd be swell. Not that my day will be made or broken by the dissemination of two or three Korean minivans, but still.<p>*

knicks125
01-22-2006, 09:34 AM
Other than some minor adjustments, it is the same car. The biggest difference I would say is that Carnival is the name sold at most markets, while Sedona is the name sold at some markets <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Carnival<p><IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121242027.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Sedona<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/2Sedona.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Carnival<p><IMG SRC="http://kr.img.dc.yahoo.com/b4/data/car/national1121241977_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Sedona<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/images/2.jpg" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
01-22-2006, 09:37 AM
Why does that site say arriving in February? I saw 3 on the dealer lot a couple weeks ago. I know the Tahoes started arriving on dealer lots about a week in advance, but this would be almost a month in advance.

jhaber
01-22-2006, 01:31 PM
Right-o, but then, what's this one? <p><IMG SRC="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/6.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>*

anonms
01-22-2006, 01:35 PM
Maybe it's a photochop-- an improvement for the front fascia, IMO, at that.

knicks125
01-22-2006, 03:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jhaber</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Right-o, but then, what's this one?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Photopshop - next Hyundai Trajet with Kia badges.<p>Ask Mike to be sure.

Nurburgring
01-22-2006, 04:48 PM
That's the shorter variant for the Carnival. There have been a few spyshots of this a long tme ago. In Korea, this will definitely be sold along the Grand Carnival. Not a photoshop.

knicks125
01-22-2006, 06:04 PM
jhaber, did some quick research on this:<p>The real life pictures shown above above are not Carnival as I suspected, they are in fact Grand Carnival. So I guess the NA Sedona is getting the new styling minus the fourth row of seats. Can someone dig up the measurements of each? I am having a tough time finding them and my computer is acting up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> thanks!!<p><IMG SRC="http://www.koreawindows.com/userimages/Image/grand-carnival2.jpg" BORDER="0">

AM2
01-22-2006, 08:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Other than some minor adjustments, it is the same car. The biggest difference I would say is that Carnival is the name sold at most markets, while Sedona is the name sold at some markets <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Carnival name is mainly for the Korean market. Most export markets now use the Sedona name.

knicks125
01-22-2006, 08:49 PM
Thanks. This is the current Carnival (cough cough Sedona <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ) on sale at other markets, correct?<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mot.sk/Obrazke/Automobily/Kia/Kia_Carnival_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

anonms
01-22-2006, 09:37 PM
Indeed it is.

TeeDi
01-22-2006, 11:52 PM
Well I'm confused!! Not!!<p>In Australia, Kia has just released the all new model Sedona MPV, which in Australia, has been badged as the "Grand Carnival".<p>As well, Kia Australia will keep the current Sedona MPV, which in Australia is badged "Carnival", on sale in Australia as a price leader, for as long as they can keep importing the MPV from Korea.

AM2
01-23-2006, 04:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TeeDi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I'm confused!! Not!!<p>In Australia, Kia has just released the all new model Sedona MPV, which in Australia, has been badged as the "Grand Carnival".<p>As well, Kia Australia will keep the current Sedona MPV, which in Australia is badged "Carnival", on sale in Australia as a price leader, for as long as they can keep importing the MPV from Korea.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sorry, correction, Australia and many non-english speaking countries still use the "Carnival" name.<p>I believe the Philippines is the first asian country to switch to the Sedona name.<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 7:26 PM 1/23/2006</i>

knicks125
01-23-2006, 06:38 AM
So from a global standpoint, Sedona as we know it here, is essentially the new Grand Carnival release last yearfrom home market but without the fourth row; and Carnival is the one currently sold in some markets and pictured above on this page.<p>Correct?

AM2
01-23-2006, 07:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So from a global standpoint, Sedona as we know it here, is essentially the new Grand Carnival release last yearfrom home market but without the fourth row; and Carnival is the one currently sold in some markets and pictured above on this page.<p>Correct?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Sedona and Grand Carnival are basically the same minivan, different name and options for different markets.<p>The Kia Carnival in the photo above is the same as the recently disontinued 1st gen USDM Kia Sedona<p><B>2006 Kia Sedona</B><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autobytel.com/images/carcom/05_Chicago_AutoShow_Day2_021005/Edited_Day_2/Kia_Sedona/400/A1C2B0277.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><B>2006 Kia Grand Carnival</B><br><IMG SRC="http://www.globalautoindex.com/images/cars/2963/5236/norm_11_Grand_Carnival_2005_South_Korea.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>2005 Kia Sedona</B><br><IMG SRC="http://images.autobytel.com/view/aic/KIA/SEDONA/van/usa_2005_kia_sedona_van_4_x_exfrdrvr75_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>2005 Kia Carnival</B> aka Carnival II (still being sold in some countries)<br><IMG SRC="http://www.havanacarhire.com/images/car_images/kia-carnival.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>*Carnival II(previous gen USDM Sedona) is a facelifted version of the 1998/99 Kia Carnival.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.webmotors.com.br/_fotos/anunciousados/grande/225226320050819083344.jpg" BORDER="0">

Miyka'el
01-23-2006, 11:03 PM
I case some of youl have missed it, here's the SWB Carnival:<p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/004607_11.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/004612_12.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...6.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/004632_10.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...0.jpg</A><p>Mike

eightballsidepocket
01-24-2006, 06:04 PM
What's with the little air-scoop thingy on the hood of the 2005 Carnival?<p>Is it functional?<p>

Miyka'el
01-24-2006, 06:28 PM
I could be wrong, but I think that it's functional -- indicative of a diesel powertrain.<p>(Someone'll confirm or correct.)<p>Mike

goldsuv
01-25-2006, 09:02 AM
You are right. The scoop is for the turbo intercooler that sits just above the engine.

Bullsfan
04-18-2006, 06:12 PM
Kia Sedona got the safest rating in crash test from Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It is rated as the safest minivan. Honda Odyssey received marginal, Toyota Sienna received poor, and Nissan Quest received poor for whiplash protection. The Kia Sedona received the highest safety ratings for every category getting the "Gold Top Safety Pick."<p>GM minivans received the lowest marks because of rear seats being detached in a side impact! Ouch! <p>Here's a few links:<br><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/04/13/prius_crash_test/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/....html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060417/AUTO01/604170306/1148/rss25" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb...rss25</A>

Nurburgring
04-19-2006, 01:56 PM
Wow, KIA does have a power to surprise!

acura.007
04-19-2006, 03:25 PM
ya<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> but it looks more like the hyundai entourage!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> dont u think...the carnival<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Hybrid_23 at 6:01 PM 4/20/2006</i>

Nurburgring
04-19-2006, 03:27 PM
No the Entourage is actually a Sedona rebadge, Quentin!

acura.007
04-19-2006, 03:35 PM
o....whoops dont say ma freakin name out WILLIAM!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">