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AU297
02-09-2005, 08:10 AM
Toyota is set to unveil the FJ Cruiser @ 7:15AM February 9th, 2005! (Today)<br>I'll post pictures after the press conference!

RetroJapan
02-09-2005, 08:27 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/fjcruiser/images/Toyota_FJCruiser_121.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/fjcruiser/images/Toyota_FJCruiser_015.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/fjcruiser/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/fjcruiser/images/Toyota_FJCruiser_076.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: Autoweek

Laguna
02-09-2005, 08:30 AM
Is this FJ Cruiser going to be real? Or is it just a concept?

RetroJapan
02-09-2005, 08:34 AM
Nope, this is the real deal... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This is the concept:<p><IMG SRC="http://images.usatoday.com/money/gallery/toyota/fj-cruiser-concept.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundomotor/especiales/2003/01/detroit/imagenes/novedades/toyota_fj_cruiser_g.jpg" BORDER="0">

carrera4
02-09-2005, 08:39 AM
it's seems to be fake...

AU297
02-09-2005, 08:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carrera4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's seems to be fake...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It's the real deal. It is a year away from sales. From the press conference they said the exterior is production ready!!!... they are finalizing the interior (and didn't show it). Pricing is still yet to be determined but they said we would be shocked how low it will be... It is based off of the 4 Runner platform and yet the wheel base is shorter. It will be available in manual and auto. Have a rear locking diff. Expected production for the first year is in the 40 thousands.

Tidal
02-09-2005, 08:47 AM
And people complain about the Element... This thing is hideous. First car i see that actually should have been toned down from the prototype. The side view is horrible, those back lights look like overgrown pimples, and the detailing on the bumpers... eeek. And on top of all that, it's a Toyota, so we will have to see them for ever and ever, as they will never die and go to car hell where they deserve to be. But that's just my opinion, i'm sure some people will like it. At least for it's practicality.

RetroJapan
02-09-2005, 08:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And on top of all that, it's a Toyota, so we will have to see them for ever and ever, as they will never die and go to car hell where they deserve to be.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol That's really funny.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But yeah, I actually disliked the FJ Cruiser concept, but the production model looks a lot better IMO... The proportions aren't as weird, and it just looks overall a lot cleaner...

RepairmanJack
02-09-2005, 08:50 AM
The more people that say it's ugly the better it is for me, cause I'm getting one as soon as they are available. Oh, and it has a 4.0 litre.

AM2
02-09-2005, 09:17 AM
To carry the FJ name... shouldn't it have a higher ground clearance and larger wheel wells? <p>I mean the asian market Fortuner SUV (a more affordable relative of the 4Runner and LC Prado) has a higher ground clearance.<br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-11339-216915-1494/fortuner1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Other than the FJ Cruiser's low ground clearance.... it looks fine in a retro/rugged way.<br>

ndjan
02-09-2005, 09:29 AM
Here's some more info:<p>CHICAGO, Feb. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Toyota unveiled the all-new FJ Cruiser sport utility vehicle (SUV) at a press conference today at the 2005 Chicago Auto Show. The overwhelmingly positive response to the FJ Cruiser concept, developed two years ago, prompted Toyota to launch a production version of the SUV. The all-new production model retains much of the design details of the original concept.<br>"The FJ Cruiser effectively fills a gap in the Toyota lineup which was once our core heritage -- capable, affordable and durable vehicles that are youthful, fun-to-drive, aggressive and tough," said Don Esmond, senior vice president and general manager, Toyota Division. "The FJ Cruiser will deliver true off-road ruggedness, image and performance at a very low price, making it highly accessible for a large volume of young buyers."<p>The final production design of the FJ Cruiser was a joint project by Toyota Motor Corporation and Calty Design Research, which developed the original concept vehicle shown at the North American International Auto Show in 2003. Chiseled from nearly a half-century tradition of tough off-road performance provided by the legendary FJ 40, the original 4Runner, and 4x4 compact pickups, the FJ Cruiser was developed as a basic, capable and affordable off-roader aimed specifically at young buyers with active outdoor lifestyles.<p>The FJ Cruiser takes on an authentic functional form, yet adopts several styling cues from the original FJ 40. Some of these cues are notable on the front end by its wide grille with "Toyota" logo badging, round headlights, and offset combination lamps. Additional inspiration can be found through its upright windshield and white cap roof. Traits are also noticeable in the rear with wrapping rear corner windows. The modern shape of the FJ Cruiser is woven into a compact package set on a wide track, producing enhanced stability and a powerful stance.<p>Utility features include a two-part rear hatch with flip-up glass, black overfenders with mudguards, and silver painted bumper extenders, mirrors, door handles and skid plate. Easy rear passenger entry into the two-door SUV is achieved with rear access doors.<p>Power is supplied by a 4.0-liter V6 engine, generating 245 horsepower and 282 lb-ft. of torque. The engine is paired with a five-speed automatic transmission on both 4x2 and 4x4 configurations and an available six-speed manual on 4x4 models.<p>The five-passenger FJ Cruiser rides on a modified 4Runner platform and features 17-inch steel wheels and four-wheel disc brakes. Just like all of the SUV's in Toyota's line-up, the FJ Cruiser will be equipped with the Star Safety System which includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and traction control (TRAC), an anti-lock brake system (ABS) with electronic brake-force distribution (EBD) and brake assist as standard. All 4x2 models will come with a standard automatic limited slip differential (ALSD).<p>The tough and straightforward theme of the FJ Cruiser is extended to the interior with a cabin designed specifically for basic functionality and flexible utility. The instrument panel features an exterior color trim, adding to its sophisticated, handcrafted appearance. The faceplate with round inset instrumentation communicates a mechanical appearance. The steering wheel and center-mounted shifter, and attached-look door panels feature tool-like simplicity. The rear seats fold flat, creating ample cargo space and maximum usability.<p>The interior will be equipped with an array of standard convenience features including air conditioning, AM/FM CD audio with six speakers, tilt steering wheel, four cupholders, passenger seat back pocket, and an upper dash-mounted map/glove box.<p>Additional optional equipment includes 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels, rear differential lock, electronic four-wheel traction control (on 4WD models only), running boards, rear sonar backup assist, front seat-mounted side airbags and front- and rear-side curtain airbags, daytime running lights, power outside mirror with image lights, cruise control, AM/FM CD audio with a six-disc changer, equalizer and eight speakers, leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio controls, multi-information display, exterior color door insert panels, privacy glass, and rear wiper.<p>"Toyota is responding to the needs of a new generation of buyers with a modern interpretation of a Toyota classic, combining Toyota heritage with the safety and refinement requirements of today's market," said Esmond. The Toyota FJ Cruiser will reach Toyota dealerships in early 2006. <p> TOYOTA FJ CRUISER VEHICLE PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS<p> POWERTRAIN<p> 4.0 Liter V6 - 245 hp /282 torque<p> 5-speed automatic<br> Available 6-speed manual in 4x4<p> DIMENSIONS (inches)<p> Overall Length: 177.6<p> Overall Width: 74.6<p> Overall Height: 70.9<p> Wheelbase: 105.9<p> Ground Clearance: 9.6<p> Wheels: 17 inches black steel wheels w/full size spare<br> Available alloy wheels (5)<p> Tire Size: 265/70R17<p> Towing Capacity 5,000 lbs.<p> Seating Capacity 5<p>

AXIS
02-09-2005, 09:32 AM
SUPRISINGLY, I really like it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> but for some odd reason I keep thinking of HOTWHEELS or TONKA toys every time I look at it

spwolf
02-09-2005, 09:37 AM
heh, pretty damn awesome concept going straight into production.<p>4.0 GR series engine with 245hp and some 280 lbs of torque, 5 speed auto standard on both 2wd and 4wd options, plus 6 speed manual optional on 4wd...<p>Freakin awesome that you will be buy something like this from Toyota.. bland huh? heh.<p>As to ground clearance, I doubt you can judge it properly with pics, it wont be smaller than 4Runners for sure and there will be an TRD off road package of course...<p>As to the heritage, no offense... But Toyota started with FJ, and their 4x4's have huge following around the world... Various versions of Land Cruisers have gathered hundreds upon hundreds of best 4x4 awards around the world.<p>It seems they set an lower sales goals that are easy to obtain for an niche vehicle... Problem with retro cars like Thunderbird, PT Cruiser was that it was either unusable or they simply wanted too much sales (PT).

spwolf
02-09-2005, 09:55 AM
ground clearance is 9.6 inches which is bigger than 4runner's by 0.5/0.7 inches, and of course off-road package will make it larger if you really need it.<p>Car itself is not that big, it should be lighter than 4runner with 4" smaller wheelbase and some 10"+ less lenght...

lawandorder360
02-09-2005, 10:01 AM
Now the real question/discussion starts...how much $$$$?

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 10:09 AM
its just so odd, its not so retro, but i dont know how well the package would carry in the market, if its cheap

bolita
02-09-2005, 11:48 AM
This will definitively eat into Wrangler territory!<p>I liked the original FJ, and as this production version is virtually identical to the concept it is not much of my liking.<p>However, you have to give Toyota credit for launching this.<p>40K per year... for sure they'll hit that volume! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
02-09-2005, 01:39 PM
I dont see this as being a hit. I would actually be embarrassed to drive this. I didnt think they would make it so similar to the concept <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 01:41 PM
its so silly looking, like a scion that snuck into the truck assembly; reminds me of the end of half life 2

VVTL-I
02-09-2005, 01:48 PM
Wow, that truck is hideous........... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> The competition must be laughing their heads off..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
02-09-2005, 01:48 PM
I'm so baffled by this thing that I don't even know what to say about it...

Velocitas
02-09-2005, 01:48 PM
<br>I like this, but I need to see it in some other colors. That blue is somewhat nasty.<p>Going by Tacoma pricing, I would think that this will start somewhere around $20k for a base and option up to close to $30k.<br>

Flagship
02-09-2005, 02:05 PM
Three windshield wipers thats unheard of. Dam Toyota trying to be better than everyone else having 3 wipers instead of 2 DAM U TOYOTA DAM U <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> ......BUT Since its a Toyota i will have to buy one. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Velocitas
02-09-2005, 02:20 PM
<br>Here are a couple of very quick and sloppy photochops to see what this looks like in other colors:<p> <IMG SRC="http://s92409244.onlinehome.us/images/fj1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://s92409244.onlinehome.us/images/fj2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://s92409244.onlinehome.us/images/fj3.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://s92409244.onlinehome.us/images/fj4.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>

Kemble
02-09-2005, 02:26 PM
TO ALL YOU NONBELIEVERS...this is awesome. I think i may trade in my ZR2 for one of these. Its got horsepower, off-road capability, and an edge. Its gonna sell, just ya'll wait. I want one in black. <br>

Player4
02-09-2005, 02:26 PM
<B>2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser</B><p><I>All-New Toyota FJ Cruiser Sport Utility Vehicle World Debut - Chicago -- February 9, 2005 -- Don Esmond, senior vice president and general manager, Toyota Division, unveils the all-new Toyota FJ Cruiser sport utility vehicle for media at the 2005 Chicago Auto Show today. "The FJ Cruiser will deliver true off-road ruggedness, image and performance at a very low price, making it highly accessible for a large volume of young buyers," according to Esmond. Power for the five-passenger FJ Cruiser is supplied by a 4.0-liter V6 engine that generates 245 horsepower and 282 lb-ft. of torque. The Toyota FJ Cruiser will go on sale early 2006. (Joe Wilssens photo) For more information contact John Hanson at 310-468-4718 or Julie Alfonso at 310-468-4625. </I><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020938471_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020938471_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020938452_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020938452_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020938414_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020938414_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020251273_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200502/WKA2005020251273_pv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA20050...v.jpg</A><p><IMG 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piokor
02-09-2005, 03:22 PM
Oh my gosh, I love this car. I can see this being very popular a la Beetle or PT Cruiser. If they price this in a similar fashion to the Element, I might actually get one since I'm going to be replacing my current car with an SUV.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

bolita
02-09-2005, 03:29 PM
Is this a US only model?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>By the red only tail lights... looks that way<p>Also, what about the inisde?? I think I may get claustrophobic in the rear....

Velocitas
02-09-2005, 03:36 PM
<br>One more chop. I really like it in this color. If anyone has any color requests or other angles you'd like to see in these colors, just let me know:<p> <IMG SRC="http://s92409244.onlinehome.us/images/fj5.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>

spwolf
02-09-2005, 03:52 PM
yea its cool... an if it ends up being light and quick, it will be an monster... Tacoma with same engine, same gearbox does 0-60 in less than 7 sec!<p>Its just an coolest thing I have seen in a while...

SV
02-09-2005, 04:07 PM
wow, i really like this. however, it's a bit too over-the top in that blue color (and to believe i'm saying that about a toyota); if i were to buy one i'd get it in a more subtle color, like silver or maybe black. i hope the interior will be completely different that the concept's though; i hated the concept's interior.<p>there are two problems with this, though: the upright windshield could make a ton of windnoise, and the huge c-pillar will be a problem. otherwise though, i commend toyota for this, i'd like to see someone call toyota boring now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

VexedandGlorious
02-09-2005, 04:13 PM
and theyre proud of what..........<p>looks ultimately strange, but i guess it will sell.<p>at least toyota has guts.

piokor
02-09-2005, 04:29 PM
I'd get it in Black, Silver or White. Those are the only colors I would get for any car...

LEXUS FAN!
02-09-2005, 05:19 PM
i kind of like it...i would never get it though<p>they really really stuck to the concept...the only thing they changed was the toyota symbol to "toyota."<p>is that a signal thing on the back of the side mirror?

SMG
02-09-2005, 05:31 PM
anyone have interior shots?

SV
02-09-2005, 05:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone have interior shots?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>no, toyota is still working on the interior, so there won't be any interior pictures for a while.

SMG
02-09-2005, 05:55 PM
i wonder why they dont have any interior pics seeing they had this in there press release:<p>The tough and straightforward theme of the FJ Cruiser is extended to the interior with a cabin designed specifically for basic functionality and flexible utility. The instrument panel features an exterior color trim, adding to its sophisticated, handcrafted appearance. The faceplate with round inset instrumentation communicates a mechanical appearance. The steering wheel and center-mounted shifter, and attached-look door panels feature tool-like simplicity. The rear seats fold flat, creating ample cargo space and maximum usability.<p>

ToronadoGT
02-09-2005, 06:49 PM
Wow. This is to Toyota what the VehiCross was to Isuzu. So much for Toyota being a grandpa's car. I hope Toyota has the balls to make the rest of their lineup like this; edgy with plenty of interesting design. But, I hope Toyota ditches the three wipers (it's different enough, you know) and I hope rear visibility is better than first impression. Lets hope prices are low and affordible; it's caught my eye. <p>Kick this up Toyota and you'll kick some ass. (Kick some ass. Kick, kick, kick some ass. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-09-2005, 06:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>no, toyota is still working on the interior, so there won't be any interior pictures for a while.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>are you being sarcastic

SMG
02-09-2005, 06:56 PM
i know i posted this already just wondering if anyone knows why<br>i wonder why they dont have any interior pics seeing they had this in there press release:<br>The tough and straightforward theme of the FJ Cruiser is extended to the interior with a cabin designed specifically for basic functionality and flexible utility. The instrument panel features an exterior color trim, adding to its sophisticated, handcrafted appearance. The faceplate with round inset instrumentation communicates a mechanical appearance. The steering wheel and center-mounted shifter, and attached-look door panels feature tool-like simplicity. The rear seats fold flat, creating ample cargo space and maximum usability.<br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 07:02 PM
wait a few days, maybe something will come out

JBlair
02-09-2005, 07:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know i posted this already just wondering if anyone knows why<br>i wonder why they dont have any interior pics seeing they had this in there press release:<br>The tough and straightforward theme of the FJ Cruiser is extended to the interior with a cabin designed specifically for basic functionality and flexible utility. The instrument panel features an exterior color trim, adding to its sophisticated, handcrafted appearance. The faceplate with round inset instrumentation communicates a mechanical appearance. The steering wheel and center-mounted shifter, and attached-look door panels feature tool-like simplicity. The rear seats fold flat, creating ample cargo space and maximum usability.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Interior trim isn't completely done yet, hence the heavily tinted windows and lack of pics.

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 07:08 PM
and you are 100% certain about that assertion? im sure he would like to read the same official info you did <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
02-09-2005, 07:25 PM
wow, retro looking suv that looks great just like original Land Cruiser. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
02-09-2005, 07:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>are you being sarcastic</TD></TR></TABLE><p>no, as jblair said, they're still working on the interior trim.

Tarpon
02-09-2005, 07:39 PM
This thing looks hot! Is it supposed to slot between the RAV4 and the 4runner, or the 4Runner and the sequoia? Personally (If the FJ turns out to be extremely capable) I see it competing with the H3. I can't wait to see interior pics. i hope they keep the retro feel on the inside. I like it, but I think it might be cooler if there was more window on the sides (Looks like a huge blind spot).

RetroJapan
02-09-2005, 07:43 PM
I know these are pretty bad resolution, but here are two caps from the Toyota press conference where the interior was briefly shown (albeit in illustration form)<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/retrolax2/PDVD_037.bmp" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/retrolax2/PDVD_039.bmp" BORDER="0">

SV
02-09-2005, 08:09 PM
thanks retrojapan...well, this is better than the concept, which was too...odd...for my tastes. i can just imagine this being all hard plastic though

JBlair
02-09-2005, 08:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and you are 100% certain about that assertion? im sure he would like to read the same official info you did <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I talked to SpotSeller, who was there when they unveiled it and heard them say that. I think thats a good source, huh...................

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 08:16 PM
very good, so good that you didnt say that in the first place :)

DoMiNo
02-09-2005, 09:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm so baffled by this thing that I don't even know what to say about it...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Me too... I... I mean I just....<p><br>My only question is why? I mean Toyota is so conservative... this really throws me for a loop. It... It just... I mean... wow!<p>I'm torn between ecstacy and revulsion at the moment. I don't know whether I adore it and MUST own one or whether it's the ugliest, gimmickiest thing I've ever seen. <p>I need... a drink.

Dodger
02-09-2005, 09:19 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> Feel better now? Does it make it look any better?

Velocitas
02-09-2005, 10:36 PM
<br>I'm not so sure about that interior. Have to see it in person, I guess. So far this thing is pushing all the right buttons, though. I want one. :)<br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 10:38 PM
you have a supra turbo and you want this odd truck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
02-09-2005, 10:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Me too... I... I mean I just....<p><br>My only question is why? I mean Toyota is so conservative... this really throws me for a loop. It... It just... I mean... wow!<p>I'm torn between ecstacy and revulsion at the moment. I don't know whether I adore it and MUST own one or whether it's the ugliest, gimmickiest thing I've ever seen. <p>I need... a drink.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, Toyota's trying to be rid of (or at least reduce) their convervative styling image, so i don't see what's the problem with releasing this.<p>Especially considering the timing. It's going to be for MY2007; retro for Toyota's 50th in the US. Makes sense, since the Land Criuser was one of their first few vehicles in the US.

DoMiNo
02-09-2005, 11:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> Feel better now? Does it make it look any better?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't know... mainly because I'm not sure if it looked bad in the first place! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyway, you guys think this thing is gonna be expensive? Seems like it would be, given the details...

spwolf
02-10-2005, 12:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't know... mainly because I'm not sure if it looked bad in the first place! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyway, you guys think this thing is gonna be expensive? Seems like it would be, given the details...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>shouldnt really... between Rav4 and 4runner... well i guess due to "low" volume it could be closer to 4runner than Rav4... +24-25k. Just an assumption. If it is anything below that, they will make killing on it.

Monkey
02-10-2005, 06:43 AM
Again, I come to think of the Element. The door style, the possibility of a flexible interior...<br>And this one can go offroad.

AM2
02-10-2005, 06:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ground clearance is 9.6 inches which is bigger than 4runner's by 0.5/0.7 inches, and of course off-road package will make it larger if you really need it.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was just wondering why there is very little clearance between the tires and the wheel arches... The 4Runner, Prado(sibling of the GX470) and the Asian market Fortuner SUV seem to have more space for suspension travel in their standard forms.

spwolf
02-10-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I was just wondering why there is very little clearance between the tires and the wheel arches... The 4Runner, Prado(sibling of the GX470) and the Asian market Fortuner SUV seem to have more space for suspension travel in their standard forms.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats more like an design feature really, your suspension doesnt work that much - not even on our Prado's. Lot of ppl complain how Toyota's cars usually have too big wheel arches :-).

DaDesign
02-10-2005, 11:41 AM
I dont know about this, it still looks too much like a concept,

knicks125
02-10-2005, 11:50 AM
it's not a concept...this is the production car...although it is still quite a way from hitting the dealers

Velocitas
02-10-2005, 11:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you have a supra turbo and you want this odd truck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I need something to drive in the snow. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-10-2005, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I need something to drive in the snow. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeh, i heard the mkiv has good wet road traction, but not snow on those kind of tires<p>the 4wd version of this will have a 6 speed manual tho, should be fun <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RetroJapan
02-10-2005, 02:55 PM
A few other color choices that I chopped:<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/retrolax2/grey_fj3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/retrolax2/hunter_fj2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/retrolax2/darkbeige_fj.jpg" BORDER="0">

autodanse
02-10-2005, 03:06 PM
wow, that last one looks great. maybe toyota should have debuted this in a more realistic color since the truck itself is so out of the ordinary. definitely an improvement.

ToronadoGT
02-10-2005, 04:53 PM
Hey, wait, I just noticed the rear demi-doors. Hey, this could kinda preserve the 2-door SUV. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> To me, all SUVs should be 2-door vehicles; although not practical, it makes them a lot more athletic-looking and, I hate using this word to describe an SUV, sporty.

anonms
02-10-2005, 05:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>shouldnt really... between Rav4 and 4runner... well i guess due to "low" volume it could be closer to 4runner than Rav4... +24-25k. Just an assumption. If it is anything below that, they will make killing on it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it'd be a tad bit mroe expensive than a comparable xTerra.

DoMiNo
02-10-2005, 06:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>shouldnt really... between Rav4 and 4runner... well i guess due to "low" volume it could be closer to 4runner than Rav4... +24-25k. Just an assumption. If it is anything below that, they will make killing on it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would be amazed if they kept it that low. I see it as a specialty vehicle... not necessarily something to fit into their lineup.

Santeno
02-11-2005, 08:32 AM
According to the press release:<p>"the FJ Cruiser was developed as a basic, capable and affordable off-roader aimed specifically at young buyers"<p>If that is the case, I would expect it to be pitched agains the likes of the X-terra, liberty and wrangler crowd. If I had to guess I would think that pricing for a 4x4 model would be somewhere around $20K.

spwolf
02-11-2005, 11:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">According to the press release:<p>"the FJ Cruiser was developed as a basic, capable and affordable off-roader aimed specifically at young buyers"<p>If that is the case, I would expect it to be pitched agains the likes of the X-terra, liberty and wrangler crowd. If I had to guess I would think that pricing for a 4x4 model would be somewhere around $20K.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>huh? 4x4 4runner chasis with 4.0V6, more equipment than Rav4 and cheaper than Tucson? How exactly will that happen? Not to mention it is an niche vehicle... Similary equiped Xterra with similar standard features (SE) starts at 26k...<p>Anything lower than 25k would be an miracle...

Santeno
02-11-2005, 11:30 AM
the 2004 3.3 Ltr v6 Xterra XE with 4x4 costs just under $20k. There is a 4 cyl model XE that starts at $18,400 (I think it's 4x2 though, but with a 4x4 option for more money).<p>The 2005 Xterra S starts at $20,800 (4x2) with a 265HP 4L V6. With 4x4 it's $22,900. <p>I'm pretty sure that Toyota can easily match those numbers. Esapecially when they are using a platform that has been amortising for several years, as opposed to Nissans (which is only 1 year old).

Velocitas
02-11-2005, 12:56 PM
<br>RetroJapan: nice work. This shape does do a whole lot better in more subtle colors.<p>Naga: The only word for the mkiv in the snow is "suicide". The Canadian cars had a "snow" mode for their traction control, but even then there is a point where the snow is deeper than your ground clearance.<p>I'm thinking this FJ with a six speed, plus whatever the TRD off-road package is, plus a TRD Supercharger could end up being a very fun package. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> I like the fact that it's shorter wheelbase than the 4Runner, and is styled "uniquely". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> One of my good friends has a Hummer H2, and it would be nice to have something that looks almost as outrageous. Not to mention that it would be sweet to go off-roading and have some video of a little Toyota pulling the Hummer out of a ditch somewhere. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-11-2005, 03:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">According to the press release:<p>"the FJ Cruiser was developed as a basic, capable and affordable off-roader aimed specifically at young buyers"<br>.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>aimed at young buyers whos parents drive $60k+ cars

spwolf
02-11-2005, 03:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 2004 3.3 Ltr v6 Xterra XE with 4x4 costs just under $20k. There is a 4 cyl model XE that starts at $18,400 (I think it's 4x2 though, but with a 4x4 option for more money).<p>The 2005 Xterra S starts at $20,800 (4x2) with a 265HP 4L V6. With 4x4 it's $22,900. <p>I'm pretty sure that Toyota can easily match those numbers. Esapecially when they are using a platform that has been amortising for several years, as opposed to Nissans (which is only 1 year old).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Obviously xterra's pricing went up with new version?<p>actually if you check your figures at depth, you will understand that S version of Xterra is much poorer equiped that what FJ should be according to Toyota... So with only power windows/doors, and VSC Xterra S 4x4 costs 26k for an 5 speed auto. And according to Nissan's website, Xterra's manul transmission will be scarcely available (probably only for special orders).<p>And more comparable Xterra with an Offroad package will cost 27.5k for 4x4 5 speed auto. This is only with base options, nothing extra.<p>And this is for an worldwide car, which should get 3x times sales around the world than US only, niche FJ. How do you expect that FJ "SHOULD" be some 7k cheaper than Xterra?<p>BTW - I am not saying that I dont hope that the pricing will be less than 23k for decently equipped 4x4 BUT i dont think that it "SHOULD" be.

Santeno
02-11-2005, 04:22 PM
Touche'

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 05:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DVieira</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And on top of all that, it's a Toyota, so we will have to see them for ever and ever, as they will never die and go to car hell where they deserve to be.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can already tell me and u will get along well. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-11-2005, 05:42 PM
when the FJ debuted TOYOTA put a picture of the FJ on the screen...there is a picture on autospies of it

Naga Royal Guard
02-12-2005, 07:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Not to mention that it would be sweet to go off-roading and have some video of a little Toyota pulling the Hummer out of a ditch somewhere. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats what Land Cruisers are for, rescuing broken down Land Rovers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0">

The Water Is Poison
02-13-2005, 05:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its so silly looking, like a scion that snuck into the truck assembly; reminds me of the end of half life 2</TD></TR></TABLE> I didnt get to finish it cause Valve sucks! lol

bolita
02-14-2005, 11:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thats what Land Cruisers are for, rescuing broken down Land Rovers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What a low blow... I don't know if that is a fair statement any more.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-14-2005, 04:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What a low blow... I don't know if that is a fair statement any more.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol :-).

Naga Royal Guard
02-14-2005, 05:00 PM
with Ford at the helm of Land Rover, i would imagine so<p>i dont hate LR or nothin :)

DoMiNo
02-14-2005, 06:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with Ford at the helm of Land Rover, i would imagine so<p>i dont hate LR or nothin :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow... Ford has sort of revived that company, I'd say. I give them credit for that. Granted the RR was under BMW, but look at the LR3! That truck is going to take Land Rover to better places...

Naga Royal Guard
02-14-2005, 06:14 PM
yeah, ford is putting the $ down for the Range Rover Sport; guess i was bein a bit hard on them :(

boston
02-14-2005, 06:49 PM
Naga Naga naga.....Toyotas for rescuing Land Rovers.....Never seen that happen as Toyotas can't go off road. All I've rescued is Jeeps, Hummers and a 15,000lbs dually<p>Ok Fords doing one helluva lot better with LR than BMW becuase unlike BMW Ford was smart enough not to buy the Car division that has since the late 60s sucked out of every pocket it could find any profit the others were making, starting with Land Rover. <br>Thank god for BMW engines as the Old Rover V8 is very long in the tooth, rough, etcetc. BMW diesels are some of the best in the world.<br>The Ford/jag engines are wonderfull and their speedy arrival has been crucial. With the 06 Freelander (how long until Ford steals that name?) we'll se Ford 3.0 V6 engines and Diesels taking over. <br>Confess the Volvo transverse V8 has me wanting to see that engine shoehorned into a Freelander...<br>But then I <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> and just a little <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> sometimes

Naga Royal Guard
02-14-2005, 06:59 PM
Camrys and Supras dont go offroad, thats right - i forgot

spwolf
02-15-2005, 05:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camrys and Supras dont go offroad, thats right - i forgot </TD></TR></TABLE><p>blah, land cruiser is just camry suv, cant go off road dude... whats wrong with you? All those sheiks are driving Toyota's because of the brand image!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

Velocitas
02-16-2005, 01:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>blah, land cruiser is just camry suv, cant go off road dude... whats wrong with you? All those sheiks are driving Toyota's because of the brand image!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh no you di'int! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

knicks125
02-16-2005, 05:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All those sheiks are driving Toyota's because of the brand image!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE> <p>please seek help <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

bolita
02-16-2005, 07:11 AM
There are still some good Toyota Off Roaders for emerging markets but I am sure that there are still more old LR in these markets than Toyotas still running. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-16-2005, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are still some good Toyota Off Roaders for emerging markets but I am sure that there are still more old LR in these markets than Toyotas still running. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually sinced LR priced itself out of the lower end of the market long ago, you would probably be wrong about that statement. My experience with toyota in many parts of the developing world is that people prefer them mainly because of long term quality, low maintenance costs, and sheer volume of parts available from multiple sources. While I'm sure that doesn't holdtrue for every part of the world, I think that you might find that to be the case (for toyota and other manufacturers) ever more so.

Naga Royal Guard
02-16-2005, 10:05 AM
i thaught LR has cheaper base models for the rest of the world too, esp developing countries ?

bolita
02-16-2005, 11:20 AM
Despite the fact that Toyta parts are much cheaper and readilly available than LR parts the big issue with older Toytas in humid markets is rust a factor LR is more or less immune due to use of aluminum.<p>Additionally, Ibit of trivia...I found out that older LR also last longer than similar Toyotas due to the simple fact that LRs are extremely slow thus hard to damage. Toyotas are much more powerful and faster thus liable to getting damaged by negligent drivers moreso than LR... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

spwolf
02-16-2005, 01:05 PM
it is really hard to see old land rovers in developing countries, maybe some really old defenders but nothing new. Japanese trucks have much better reliability and reputation there.<p>P.S. aluminium? I was not aware that defenders and old lr's used aluminium by large, if any... In fact, cost of repairing bent aluminium would be extremly prohibitive for any true off road vehicle.

CalinG7
02-16-2005, 01:16 PM
Defenders are made completely out of aluminum as far as I know, but that's the only model. The others are conventional steel.<p>Love those off-roading Supras, though.

Naga Royal Guard
02-16-2005, 01:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Love those off-roading Supras, though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that cast-iron block sure comes in handy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Flagship
02-16-2005, 02:58 PM
In the USA 90 % of the people who drive LRs never let the thing off the pavement plus the LR3 is the same thing as a Toyota 4 Runner and Land Curser with a $47,000 price tag in New York, they can both do the same things but Toyotas are Toyotas and everyone hates Toyotas. <p>The reason why Ford owns LR is because they can use them to pull Explorers and Navigators out of the mud instead of using them Toyotas.

JJGittes
02-17-2005, 08:51 PM
To the photoshop pro who did the above pics, how about some in various colors with the roof in the same color as the body? In other words, dump the white roof. Thanks, and very good work!

Naga Royal Guard
02-17-2005, 10:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the USA 90 % of the people who drive LRs never let the thing off the pavement plus the LR3 is the same thing as a Toyota 4 Runner and Land Curser with a $47,000 price tag in New York, they can both do the same things but Toyotas are Toyotas and everyone hates Toyotas. <p>The reason why Ford owns LR is because they can use them to pull Explorers and Navigators out of the mud instead of using them Toyotas. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>screw ford and LR, the G-unit Classe kills any LR anyway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

summersun54
02-18-2005, 03:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it is really hard to see old land rovers in developing countries, maybe some really old defenders but nothing new. Japanese trucks have much better reliability and reputation there.<p>P.S. aluminium? I was not aware that defenders and old lr's used aluminium by large, if any... In fact, cost of repairing bent aluminium would be extremly prohibitive for any true off road vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It would be defenders you would expect to see in developing countries and they would hardly be new ..<p>the defender has an image and reputation for beinbg butet proof..go anywhere, the ability to bounce off gate posts instead of having to get out to open the gate....they are east to fix, the basic design is ancient but they keep on trucking,.. they were the back bone of many an army for years and still, are..<p>

bolita
02-18-2005, 08:43 AM
There are also lots of new onews from European Community Aid organizations.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

creon448
06-16-2005, 07:56 AM
<br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-16994-367607-11848/2006ptcruiser.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...r.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-16994-367607-11849/2006ptcruiserconv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...v.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-16994-367607-11850/2006ptcruiserinter.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...r.jpg</A><p>Source: Autoweek.com

JBlair
06-16-2005, 07:57 AM
Holy crap! The exterior is just 'okay', but the interior is amazing! (except for the window switches)

Redline
06-16-2005, 09:11 AM
Interior looks good, but the front end looks awful now. Too bad the had to mess with it too much.

FordRules
06-16-2005, 09:21 AM
Chrysler sure does like those lights

SV
06-16-2005, 10:57 AM
the interior looks great, but that was never really a weakness. the outside still looks good but isn't really better or worse than before IMO <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV at 6:06 PM 6/16/2005</i>

nismo
06-16-2005, 11:14 AM
Looks good. Perfect timing with the Chevy HHR being released soon and IMO the PT looks better even though its older.<p>Will the 2006 PT be getting new engines?

knicks125
06-16-2005, 12:12 PM
i don't know...the interior doesn't do much for me. To me, the interior looks like a 50s car, was this done on purpose? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> among other things, the shifter espeically, just looks weird and out of touch (to me). I like the execution of the interior but not the styling. Just my opinion, I much prefer the current PT.

bolita
06-16-2005, 01:38 PM
I like the evolution of the interior being more modern but maintaining its retro looks but the exterior can be hardly considered a face lift IMO.<p>

anonms
06-16-2005, 01:46 PM
Everything besides those horrible misplaced window switched and really ugly steering wheel looks wonderful.<p>I like the revised front end. The old one just looked weird, especially up close.

JBlair
06-16-2005, 01:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the evolution of the interior being more modern but maintaining its retro looks but the exterior can be hardly considered a face lift IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Why? They changed everything that was feasible. (grille, headlamps, intakes, rear bumpers and lights, and the entire interior). The doors are the most expensive exterior parts of the vehicle and rarely change during the facelift.

Naga Royal Guard
06-16-2005, 02:24 PM
floating console, not bad

against the wall
06-16-2005, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga- Captain Funko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">floating console, not bad</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hah it does look like its floating

Charger
06-16-2005, 03:45 PM
WOW, very nice. The front end looks much better and the interior is amazing. Cant wait for more pics

Andre
06-16-2005, 04:03 PM
ARGH, I know where they shot those two exterior pictures... almost exactly. WHY can't you guys get me this info AHEAD OF TIME?<p>I prefer the old one myself... and that's not saying much.

Charger
06-16-2005, 04:40 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.ptcruizer.com/ptpix/2006-pt-cruiser.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source:ptcruizer<p> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/7f6ece0b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/skidsmadawg96/C2006_010high__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source:dcx

Monkey
06-16-2005, 05:57 PM
I may be looking a bit too analytically at this, but a facelift like this could have taken them about 1 hour of time to figure out.<p>The only rear end difference I see is the white replacing the yellow on the tail-lights.

Charger
06-16-2005, 06:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I may be looking a bit too analytically at this, but a facelift like this could have taken them about 1 hour of time to figure out.<p>The only rear end difference I see is the white replacing the yellow on the tail-lights.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The bumper is also different. It doesnt look "added on" like the old one.

Rymanrph
06-16-2005, 07:08 PM
I actually like having the switches in the middle. Took a little bit to get used to, but since my sunroof control is in the middle too, it makes sense. I'm not a huge fan of the new wheels; I always loved the five spoke GT wheels.

Gian86
06-16-2005, 07:36 PM
For me: PT Cruiser's front end looks okay, i love the grille's look but not the headlights. But the interior looks much better, more like retro-modern look.

Santeno
06-17-2005, 06:58 AM
IMO, while the facelift works with this car and in someways remedies some of it's stylistic shortcomings (mainly the body colored center console and the goofy bumber that bisected the grill), I can't help but think that this is the facelift that should have occurred a few years ago. PT Cruisers just arent the must have items they once were, and to be honnest, I really don't think that the facelift does enough to differentiate this vehicle from last year's model. I'm guessing therer might be a slight bump in sales as a result of this, but they will quickly return to their current trends.

mzoltarp
06-19-2005, 05:55 AM
The facelift is a total why bother. To the average Joe it will look the same as all other PT Cruisers.

galv
09-04-2005, 07:47 PM
its an okay facelift, but not a very effective one like the facelift jeep did with the liberty a while a go.

scorpio14
09-05-2005, 01:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The facelift is a total why bother. To the average Joe it will look the same as all other PT Cruisers.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Im with u there man... and those crome alloys.... well i dislike cromes on any car....

LEXUS FAN!
09-13-2005, 04:27 PM
I searched, but nothing came up...<p>here is a small, vague interior shot<p><A HREF="http://tinypic.com/do4g42.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://tinypic.com/do4g42.jpg</A><p>and more pics here<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178564" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...78564</A><p>btw...i saw one of these covered in black...at first i didn't know what it was, so i started thinking of future SUVs from Honda, Nissan and Toyota (since all 3 HQ were near there)...and I realized that it was too big to be a CR-V, so i remembered the FJ...i tried turning around to follow it, but i lost it

against the wall
09-13-2005, 05:23 PM
i dunno y but i really love this suv. any pics of a black one?

scorpio14
09-13-2005, 05:31 PM
I think the only colour thats been shown on this car is the Blue... i cant remember seeing any other colours

SV
09-13-2005, 05:33 PM
i like this car, but i would rather have one in a slightly less standoutish color, like black or silver. still, it's nice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
09-13-2005, 06:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i like this car, but i would rather have one in a slightly less standoutish color, like black or silver. still, it's nice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yea but the standoutish color goes with the standoutish suv

Bounce
09-14-2005, 07:40 AM
Here's one in black I Photoschopped up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.y2kelly.com/images/DerekPix/do4g8k-black-df.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Another in red.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.y2kelly.com/images/DerekPix/do4g8k-Red.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>Modified by Bounce at 7:45 AM 9/14/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bounce at 8:23 AM 9/14/2005</i>

Kemble
09-14-2005, 09:34 AM
No all-terrians?!?! what? why did they take those off. i hope its an option.

SELLER
09-14-2005, 09:47 AM
This thing lifted.. with huge 37"+ tires will look pretty awesome

Hornbag
09-15-2005, 03:48 AM
Wait, isnt this thing a concept? Will it replace the current 79 series in Australia?

Kemble
09-15-2005, 01:21 PM
Well, i inspected a bunch of pictures because I was a little upset about the whole "all-terrains" issure...and here's what i discovered...<p>Toyota actually put out <B>2</B> CONCEPT FJ Cruisers. Although only officially recognizing 1 concept, the release of the 2007 FJ at the 2005 Chicago Auto Show was not the real deal.(kinda like MB putting out the GST---&gt;Vision R---&gt;then the real R-Class with very little changes from the Vision R)<p>Looking at the pictures above, there are minute differences to the bumper and rear view mirrors. The pictures of the rear illustrate my point even more.<br><IMG SRC="http://toyota20032004.free.fr/images/japon/toyota/2003_fj-cruiser_7.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/fjcruiser/images/Toyota_FJCruiser_015.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://tinypic.com/do4g8k.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.cardesignnews.com/employment/advertisers/images/fj-cruiser.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://trucks.about.com/library/graphics/07_fj_cruiser_flrear.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://tinypic.com/do4gf6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>You can see differences to the rear setup (license plate, tire mount, aluminum finishes)<p>Its no really big deal but I just wish they wouldn't have done away with some of the cooler cues I liked.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Kemble at 1:26 PM 9/15/2005</i>

StevenZoz
09-15-2005, 01:38 PM
has anyone else noticed the 3 windshield wipers on it!? that can't be production... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

SHEPO
09-15-2005, 01:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has anyone else noticed the 3 windshield wipers on it!? that can't be production... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>nope, its production alright <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
09-15-2005, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>koenigseggccr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>nope, its production alright <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>WTF?? How can that be production?! there's nothing else like it... thats crazy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
09-15-2005, 04:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>WTF?? How can that be production?! there's nothing else like it... thats crazy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>its crazy car all the way... standard V6 with 240hp and available 6 speed manual with 4x4...

against the wall
09-15-2005, 05:14 PM
and theres nothing on the road that looks like this. which is a good thing cuz a lot of cars on the road today look like other cars. claps for toyota...lol.

knicks125
09-15-2005, 05:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I searched, but nothing came up...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You didn't look hard enough <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> It's alright...it was hiding and didn't want to be found <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13772" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13772</A><p>Most pictures posted in the above link were what we saw in Chicago this year!<p>Combining both threads <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:41 PM 9/15/2005</i>

StevenZoz
09-15-2005, 05:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>its crazy car all the way... standard V6 with 240hp and available 6 speed manual with 4x4...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>then with all these extras what's the price gonna look like? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
09-15-2005, 05:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You didn't look hard enough <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> It's alright...it was hiding and didn't want to be found <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13772" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13772</A><p>Most pictures posted in the above link were what we saw in Chicago this year!<p>Combining both threads <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:41 PM 9/15/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>sorry...<p>i searched FJ Crusier...and then i just searched FJ, and nothing came up<p>what did you search?<p>thanks :)

Rugbyplaya91
09-15-2005, 05:57 PM
it's so weird it's so ugly, but i can see myself driving this, i would get the honda element first though.

knicks125
09-15-2005, 05:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>sorry...<p>i searched FJ Crusier...and then i just searched FJ, and nothing came up<p>what did you search?<p>thanks :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't be sorry...it wasn't your fault...<p>the other thread (this one now) had not been posted in ages so it was automatically archived. Items in archive sections can be found the same way as regular searches, just make sure you change the data set (search parameters) from <I>Recent content</I> to <I>Archived content</I> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
09-15-2005, 06:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't be sorry...it wasn't your fault...<p>the other thread (this one now) had not been posted in ages so it was automatically archived. Items in archive sections can be found the same way as regular searches, just make sure you change the data set (search parameters) from <I>Recent content</I> to <I>Archived content</I> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh that makes sense...that's why things don't show up a lot of times<p>i'm glad you became mod...your awesome

scorpio14
09-16-2005, 04:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wait, isnt this thing a concept? Will it replace the current 79 series in Australia?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Definetly not replacing the current 79series here.... I doubt itll ever come here... BUT i hope whatever replaces the 79series has a similar front-end as this... coz itll work nicely.... well somethin like that.

AM2
09-16-2005, 10:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's so weird it's so ugly, but i can see myself driving this,</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Toyota could have done better... it has a bit of that Korando feel to it, only better. <br><IMG SRC="http://www.autocity.com/reportajes/ssangyong_korando_kj290_11_2004/img/inicio.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Other than North America, where else will they sell/export this SUV?<p>

Naga Royal Guard
09-17-2005, 10:03 AM
maybe aus, maybe not

spwolf
09-17-2005, 12:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga- Captain Funky</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe aus, maybe not</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it will be US boundy only... only US market can swallow crazy vehicle like this.<br>It is completly crazy and completly cool what Toyota did with FJ, quite easily it will be the coolest SUV on the market (Commader? hah!)

Naga Royal Guard
09-17-2005, 03:12 PM
i dunno, i could see this doing alright in aus

sashok
09-17-2005, 10:18 PM
So would this be somewhat of a competitor to the Nissan XTerra? I was hoping Toyota would put out a competitor to the X, but this thing just looks so funky-surfer-beach boy-like, idk...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by sashok at 6:18 AM 9/18/2005</i>

spwolf
09-18-2005, 05:51 AM
i am pretty sure this will be quite unique. People would buy it because if it, not because it goes under some class.<p>Pricing wise, it is supposed to be attractive as well.

AM2
09-18-2005, 08:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think it will be US boundy only... only US market can swallow crazy vehicle like this. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I think one of the main reasons that could prevent this SUV from being sold outside North America won't be the styling but maybe the engine options... <br>Does anyone know if Toyota plans to manufacture a diesel version for other export markets? Toyota currently has a D4D Common Rail Turbo Diesel that can drop in easily, its currently being used in other Toyota SUVs and pickups.<br>

spwolf
09-19-2005, 01:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I think one of the main reasons that could prevent this SUV from being sold outside North America won't be the styling but maybe the engine options... <br>Does anyone know if Toyota plans to manufacture a diesel version for other export markets? Toyota currently has a D4D Common Rail Turbo Diesel that can drop in easily, its currently being used in other Toyota SUVs and pickups.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>since it is using Prado/4runner chasis, there shuld be no issues with putting in diesel engines... All depends if Toyota is serious about selling it overseas, which i doubt... this will be an cool toy for US market, one with 4x4, V6 and 6 speed manual... sounds like fun...

spwolf
09-22-2005, 08:19 PM
p.s. projected 30,000 sales make it an niche vehicle, almost...

Dodger
09-26-2005, 06:46 PM
Pics of FJ doing some serious offroading (also one in yellow).<p><A HREF="http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/fj_cruiser/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.com/vehicles....html</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
09-26-2005, 07:14 PM
No interior pictures... : (

tavrvs
09-27-2005, 06:11 PM
I didn't see this posted earlier in the thread- there is one pic of the dash on the photos page of autodeadline.com <A HREF="http://autodeadline.com/Photos" TARGET="_blank">http://autodeadline.com/Photos</A> <br> Kinda small, though. Also there is an announcement that the production FJ Cruiser will be at SEMA.

Dodger
09-27-2005, 06:37 PM
Here is a more direct link to the pic:<p><A HREF="http://autodeadline.com/detail?source=&mid=WKA2005092755343&mime=JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://autodeadline.com/detail...e=JPG</A><p>

mrb83sxt02
09-27-2005, 11:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">floating console, not bad</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There are 3 pt's at a dealership on Gratiot ave. , in Michigan. The new Marine Blue is one. I have a few pics, including one of the new console, that appears to be floating in the PR pictures. I actually like the way this looks, compared with the new one, note the Lower Grill insert where the fog lamps are on the black pt pictured below.<p><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/centerconsole_sliding.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...g.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/marineblue_frt.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...t.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/marineblue_grill.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...l.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/89993760389_290_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...1.jpg</A><p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I may be looking a bit too analytically at this, but a facelift like this could have taken them about 1 hour of time to figure out.<p>The only rear end difference I see is the white replacing the yellow on the tail-lights.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Note the Rear Bumper looks to be more integrated into the rear wheel arches. Also the New Spoiler on the hatch. The latch to open the hatch in the chrysler emblem that lifts is no longer there also, it is like the TC with the little button instead.<p><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/marineblue_tail_spoiler.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...r.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/white_spoiler.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...r.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mrb83sxt02/black_front.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...t.jpg</A><p>These Pt's were already on sale, the tag in the front window was about $2000 less than the sticker price.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mrb83sxt02 at 2:16 AM 9/28/2005</i>

Andre
09-27-2005, 11:25 PM
Saw one of these on a truck with a Megacab Ram today, Ram was imposing, had to forcie myself to look hard (and nearly crash) to see if the PT was a facelift

scorpio14
09-28-2005, 12:43 AM
Interiors mad... except that blue cover on the centre concole... i hope thats a optional thing... id want a steel finish (like the rest of the interior) rather then that

Naga Royal Guard
09-28-2005, 12:46 AM
makes the HHR look like a silly imitation

GerjurdKing
09-28-2005, 06:32 AM
The front shot of the black one was what sold it for me. I think it looks great. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
09-28-2005, 10:12 AM
I'll have to know the price on this before passing final judgement on this. As I see it, vast expanses of plastic with parts bin pieces sprinkled throughout. So if the price is a steal, like, say, a Scion, then alright, but if they are wanting $25K for that, I'll take an X-Terra.

Nodnarb
09-28-2005, 10:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">makes the HHR look like a silly imitation</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd disagree. As has been debated in the HHR thread to a point nearing a lock, they are only the same in concept. And with the HHR being 5 years newer, that's where my money would go. But I'm sure most of you are already aware of this and don't care. But I'll leave it at that. <p>Those pics look better than the ones I'd seen previously. However, and this is just nitpicking, that pattern on the seats looks silly and the fabric is looks cheap, but it's hard to tell the second half for sure through just pics.

phoenix1
09-28-2005, 11:47 AM
what's up with these ugly shiny chrome wheels that Chryler and GM put on everyone of their vehicles. i hate them. they make the whole car look cheap.

SHEPO
09-28-2005, 12:14 PM
IMO, was ugly and still is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

ricerammer
09-28-2005, 01:36 PM
I like redesign. The front end looks much better. And the interior. Holy crap! That interior is AWESOME. Chrysler has done it again. I am really liking Chrysler's interiors.

syclone
09-28-2005, 07:29 PM
I don't like the way that the lower fascia is no longer a continuation of the rest of the front - that was always my favorite feature of the PT, and now it is gone. :(

LEXUS FAN!
09-29-2005, 10:21 PM
someone caught them testing w/ a Yaris<p><A HREF="http://www.zcamera.com/overspun/spy/toyotaspy.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zcamera.com/overspun/spy/toyotaspy.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1511049#post1511049" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...11049</A><p>i saw one of these about a month ago near HQ

FordRules
09-29-2005, 11:03 PM
I actually like this toyota.

salebg
10-03-2005, 09:18 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/images/uploads/large/fj-spy-2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/image...2.jpg</A>

knicks125
10-03-2005, 09:27 AM
Autospies steals yet another spy shot <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
10-03-2005, 10:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Autospies steals yet another spy shot <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe theyre were there too, same time the other photographer took the picture :P .... o well doesnt effect us.

Nodnarb
10-04-2005, 08:19 AM
Nah, it's identical. That's why it is so awkard looking, since they had to cut out his watermarks. Is there no way that anyone can start litigation against them to cease and decist? Sorry to threadjack, but this crap just gets old.

tosil
10-04-2005, 06:58 PM
My father used to drive an original FJ from the 70s I think, used to be a company vehicle back in Portugal, and he loved it... diesel, 2door, would seat 6, which is great for such a short wheelbase... those were the days. If I could afford it, i would buy him this one, we could go for a ride just like the good old days. Sorry getting kind of emotional right now, please carry on.....

StevenZoz
10-22-2005, 10:29 PM
will be at SEMA

ndjan
11-03-2005, 12:36 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I understand that these will be the colors it will be available in:<p>Sun Fusion (Yellow)<br>Black Diamond (Black)<br>Black Cherry (Dark Red)<br>Titanium Metallic (Silver/Grey)<br>Voodoo Blue (Light Blue)<p>Makes sense to have so few colors for a limited edition vehicle, however, I'm surprised that there are no camo colors like beige or green. Silver with a white-capped roof should be interesting, though.

StevenZoz
11-03-2005, 01:42 PM
this is only a limited edition? like the U.S. LR Defender from a few years ago?

spwolf
11-03-2005, 01:48 PM
it is not limited edition, it is just that they estimate around 30,000 sales per year.

anonms
11-03-2005, 05:40 PM
Of course. It's a niche vehicle that'll be launched in a very nice time frame. I'd safely assume that we'll be seeing a limited heritage-related edition soon after its release for either 2007 or 2008.

against the wall
11-03-2005, 06:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fDOOM!!!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course. It's a niche vehicle that'll be launched in a very nice time frame. I'd safely assume that we'll be seeing a limited heritage-related edition soon after its release for either 2007 or 2008.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>how much more heritage can they upgrade into this? the vehicle was launched celebrate the heritage of the fj40 so i wouldnt say they would do that.

anonms
11-03-2005, 07:36 PM
Well, Toyota could release an FJ Cruiser with special badges, special colors, special rims, special exterior garnishes, whatnot.

against the wall
11-03-2005, 08:30 PM
but those could just be updates.

RetroJapan
11-05-2005, 10:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">however, I'm surprised that there are no camo colors like beige or green. Silver with a white-capped roof should be interesting, though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hate linking to AutoLies, but here are pics of a green FJ @ SEMA:<p><A HREF="http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/auto-show-photos.asp?imageId=16429&galleryId=30" TARGET="_blank">http://shows.autospies.com/gal...Id=30</A><br><A HREF="http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/auto-show-photos.asp?imageId=16430&galleryId=30" TARGET="_blank">http://shows.autospies.com/gal...Id=30</A>

Dodger
11-05-2005, 10:34 PM
That spare tire looks like it leaves zero visibility out the back

against the wall
11-05-2005, 10:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That spare tire looks like it leaves zero visibility out the back</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i was thinking the exact same thing.

spwolf
11-06-2005, 08:47 AM
not really, look how smart the design is - there are rear quarter windows with minimal rear pillar and back window curves up slightly to the roof to give you more sight.<p>I also wonder what is that show car's spare tire - seems like bigger than 17", so with normal tire it will be nice.<p>I love the way this thing looks, I would dig this with diesel in Europe...

against the wall
11-06-2005, 08:53 AM
autolies reports a convertible version is on the horizon. dont know if its true or not but it sounds cool.<br>

Nodnarb
11-06-2005, 09:41 AM
Yes the D pillar might be thin, but the C pillar is massive causing a huge blind spot. Plus the tire does obscure a large portion of the rear window. Yeah, the glass curves up, but that isn't really going to give you more visibility out the back. You are still going to see tire in the back window. You're just going to be able to see a bit of sky or the top of the grille of a semi with the curve around the top.

Nodnarb
11-14-2005, 09:11 AM
While I still think it looks like a toy, this thing is a beast.<p><A HREF="http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1236" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fjcruiserforums.com...=1236</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Any truck that can tackle the Rubicon gets props in my book. Now if it is priced right, I'll give it a 2nd thumbs up.

Superfresa
11-14-2005, 02:17 PM
yuck! It's disturbingly ugly! It would've taken very little for them to make an awesome one.... but no, they had to keep it ugly... argh...<p>cant wait till this is measured up against the next defender though....

Petrol Head
11-14-2005, 03:22 PM
Yea, that will be a great battle. I hope they retain the ugly hardness of the original defender too. LR have thier work cut out though if they want to best the FJ in off road ability.

LEXUS FAN!
11-28-2005, 06:24 PM
I was going to Riverside,CA over Thanksgiving and we decided to go through the 74 Highway, which is a winding mountain road. When we were a couple of miles from the exit, I saw a yellow FJ crusier going right past me. It had no camo on. It was awesome. It looks AWESOME in person

spwolf
11-30-2005, 06:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was going to Riverside,CA over Thanksgiving and we decided to go through the 74 Highway, which is a winding mountain road. When we were a couple of miles from the exit, I saw a yellow FJ crusier going right past me. It had no camo on. It was awesome. It looks AWESOME in person</TD></TR></TABLE><p>my garage would like to see both FJ and Rav4 V6 in it :-)

sc43018
11-30-2005, 02:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Petrol Head</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea, that will be a great battle. I hope they retain the ugly hardness of the original defender too. LR have thier work cut out though if they want to best the FJ in off road ability.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>i dont know about that..... many people say that defenders are the best off-roading vehicles in the world, behind the military G-wagen. I seriously doubt the FJ will come close to the current defenders off-roading ability, let alone the next one (terrain response seems to be unmatched by any other SUV in terms of offroading) however, i still think this car will be a big hit in the areas were land rover appears to have a large gap (between the current freelander and disco 3)

spwolf
11-30-2005, 05:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sc43018</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>i dont know about that..... many people say that defenders are the best off-roading vehicles in the world, behind the military G-wagen. I seriously doubt the FJ will come close to the current defenders off-roading ability, let alone the next one (terrain response seems to be unmatched by any other SUV in terms of offroading) however, i still think this car will be a big hit in the areas were land rover appears to have a large gap (between the current freelander and disco 3)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well no, new FJ will be sold in USA only, no other markets at all. As to the defenders off road ability, hm. I dont think its off road ability is that awesome - any specially prepared truck will be better than standard versions. What Defender has on its side is that it is tough, rugged truck with great off road credentials. Although, outside of GB and few selected countries, old FJ and LC have much bigger reputation.

Superfresa
12-01-2005, 06:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well no, new FJ will be sold in USA only, no other markets at all. As to the defenders off road ability, hm. I dont think its off road ability is that awesome - any specially prepared truck will be better than standard versions. What Defender has on its side is that it is tough, rugged truck with great off road credentials. Although, outside of GB and few selected countries, old FJ and LC have much bigger reputation.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well specially prepared trucks are better offroad than stock ones. Just as specially prepared sports cars are better than stock ones. But the Defender is still arguably the best offroader of the lot, and despite the Land Cruiser having a stronger reputation on some parts of the world due to its lower price, you cant say that the LC is a better performer (Or you cant REALLY say that the Defender is a stronger performer either).... Both hold its own, next to the Jeep and the MB G class and the Hummer H1, as the worlds best offroaders... and thats a s far as we can go.<p>Now the question is, will Toyota keep its offroading name with this car... or will they become just another SUV....<p>A question that will be valid for the new defender as well, but Im pretty sure that LR has answered this question already....

Nodnarb
12-01-2005, 07:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Now the question is, will Toyota keep its offroading name with this car... or will they become just another SUV....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><A HREF="http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1236" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fjcruiserforums.com...=1236</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Any truck that can tackle the Rubicon gets props in my book. Now if it is priced right, I'll give it a 2nd thumbs up. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>

Nodnarb
12-15-2005, 07:39 PM
New photo gallery is up at FamilyCar.com<p><A HREF="http://familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaFJ/Photos.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaFJ/Photos.htm</A>

JBlair
12-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Wow, that interior looks like crap (especially for a toyota). At first glance, the materials look too cheap, the design is sub-par, and the overall atmosphere screams 'early 90s Chevy truck'. Hopefully its better than it looks, because otherwise this could bode badly for Toyota..........

against the wall
12-15-2005, 09:02 PM
wow, every time more pics surface the more i fall in love with this car. i just cant get over how awesome and modern it looks. hopefully itll get good mileage.

anonms
12-15-2005, 09:25 PM
I agree that it looks to be of cheap plastic construction.<p>: ( Let's hope appearances are decieving.

Chicho
12-16-2005, 01:46 AM
And this is only for US market, isn't it?

AU297
12-16-2005, 01:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow, every time more pics surface the more i fall in love with this car. i just cant get over how awesome and modern it looks. hopefully itll get good mileage. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really? I'm feeling the opposite... every new picture seems to be more dumbed down from the original concept.

SV
12-16-2005, 09:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, that interior looks like crap (especially for a toyota). At first glance, the materials look too cheap, the design is sub-par, and the overall atmosphere screams 'early 90s Chevy truck'. Hopefully its better than it looks, because otherwise this could bode badly for Toyota..........</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i have to agree, it's not too impressive...but i think that was toyota's aim. if you look at it, it looks like it could be the interior of a military truck, and i think that's the point. <p>i really like the outside though. i like this car for the same reason i like the nissan Xterra: it's a simple trucky SUV, although this car is perhaps a bit too flashy for my tastes outside..

spwolf
12-16-2005, 10:10 AM
yep, it is supposed to look like FJ. But I disagree that it looks bad though - for example, seats are pretty high quality seats and fabrics from Corolla Verso. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

ndjan
12-16-2005, 12:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New photo gallery is up at FamilyCar.com<p><A HREF="http://familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaFJ/Photos.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaFJ/Photos.htm</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for that. It seems like the interior is intentionally old fashioned a la jeep wrangler, but neccessarily cheap and quality.<br>Don't like the aftermarket style faceplate for the radio, but look at the sub! Also, I'm glad they kept the triple wipers and the auxilliary gauge cluster.

anonms
12-16-2005, 04:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AU297</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really? I'm feeling the opposite... every new picture seems to be more dumbed down from the original concept.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Have you ever seen the interior pictures for the original concept? It was HORRENDOUS.

cuisinek
12-26-2005, 05:43 AM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=108557/pageId=67603" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...67603</A>

anonms
12-27-2005, 12:04 PM
<p>Toyota advances both the art and science of the off-road vehicle while recalling its own off-road heritage with the introduction of the 2007 FJ Cruiser sport-utility vehicle (SUV), available in March 2006.<p>The FJ Cruiser offers a youthful, contemporary spirit and employs the same state-of-the-art comfort, power, economy, safety, emissions and convenience technology available in other Toyota vehicles. As it does so, it provides optimized off-road capabilities, value and styling clues reminiscent of Toyota's famed FJ40 4x4 utility vehicle, sold in the U.S. from 1960 to 1983. The FJ40, which during its production life served around the world as the safari and expedition vehicle of choice, remains a desirable and collectable off-road vehicle.<p>"The FJ Cruiser effectively fills a gap in the Toyota lineup that was once our core heritage  capable, affordable and durable vehicles that are youthful, fun to drive, aggressive and tough," said Jim Lentz, group vice president and general manager, Toyota Division. "The FJ Cruiser will deliver true off-road ruggedness, image and performance at an affordable price, making it highly accessible and desirable to a large volume of young buyers."<p>The five-passenger FJ Cruiser was designed as a concept vehicle at Calty Design Research in Newport Beach, Calif. It was first seen at Detroit's North American International Automobile Show in 2003. Public and media reaction to the FJ Cruiser concept was so positive that the vehicle was slated for production using most of the same design parameters as the original concept. As an indicator of the vehicle's unmistakable family DNA, several of the FJ Cruiser's available color choices are reminiscent of the colors found on FJ40s.<p>Chassis and Suspension<br>The FJ Cruiser's tough, wide stance is based around a frame and front-and-rear suspension systems adapted from those found on the 120-Series Prado (Land Cruiser Prado in some markets). The frame is a boxed steel ladder-braced unit to which is mounted the FJ Cruiser's welded steel body. Independent front suspension, which offers a generous 7.87 inches of wheel travel for outstanding suspension articulation, is via double wishbones, the geometry of which is adapted for superior road feel and ride comfort. Tubular shock absorbers and an anti-sway bar also are employed.<p>A solid rear axle using a four-link coil-spring suspension system with a lateral rod, tubular shock absorbers and an anti-sway bar is employed. This system provides 9.1 inches of wheel travel. All 4x2 FJ Cruisers come standard with a virtual automatic limited-slip differential, provided and operated by an advanced traction-control system to enhance traction of both rear wheels in slippery driving conditions. An electronic locking rear differential with an eight-inch ring gear is available. The ring gear in the front differential of the 4x4 FJ Cruiser also measures eight inches. The front/rear differential gear ratio is 3.727:1 (5 A/T) and 3.909:1 (6 M/T). Finally, the disc-brake system uses ventilated 12.6-inch/front and 12.3-inch/rear rotors.<p>Steering is provided by a variable-ratio, hydraulically assisted rack-and-pinion system. Wheels are standard 17-inch steel, optional 17-inch, six-spoke aluminum. With the FJ Cruiser's standard 32-inch tires, ground clearance is a healthy 9.6 inches, 8.7 inches for 4x2. Approach and departure angles are 34 degrees/30 degrees for the 4x4 FJ Cruiser and 32/29 for the 4x2 version.<p>Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is 5330 (4x2) and 5570 (4x4), and maximum towing capacity with the optional Class Four receiver hitch is 5,000 pounds.<p>Engine and Transmissions<br>The FJ Cruiser is powered by a high-compression 4.0L (242.1 c.i.) V6 engine, a 24-valve, double-overhead-cam (DOHC) unit that produces 239 horsepower and 278 lb-ft of torque  nearly double the numbers produced by the six-cylinder engine of the FJ40. Many special engineering touches help make this engine a model of efficiency, power and smoothness. These include Toyota's Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) system; special lightweight pistons with resin-coated skirts to help reduce friction and noise; a two-stage, variable-length intake manifold, which improves mid-range to high-speed performance; newly designed 12-orifice fuel injectors; Toyota's Direct Ignition System (DIS), which eliminates the distributor and its associated wiring; and a lightweight electronic throttle. The EPA lists the FJ Cruiser's city/highway fuel-economy ratings at 18/22 mpg (4x2) and 17/21 mpg (4x4 automatic).<p>The quietness of the engine's operation comes in part because of special sound-absorbing material present under the engine cover. Its pleasing exhaust note, meanwhile, is shaped by a specially designed exhaust system that provides for efficient elimination of exhaust gasses with minimal backpressure. The FJ Cruiser's dual catalytic converters and its sophisticated fuel-delivery system help it meet the stringent LEV II/Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards.<p>A choice between an electronically shifted five-speed automatic transmission and a six-speed manual transmission is available for 4x4 models of the FJ Cruiser. (The 4x2 model of the FJ Cruiser is available only with a 5-speed automatic transmission.) The automatic transmission features Artificial Intelligence (AI) Shift Control, a system that automatically varies the transmission's shifting pattern based on road conditions and the driver's intent to provide optimal up- and down-shifting. It also employs Toyota's Flex Lock-Up Control, which is added to the basic locking torque converter.<p>Flex Lock-Up allows the clutch in the torque converter to maintain a half-engaged position, enhancing fuel efficiency and increasing the lock-up clutch's operation range. Of this transmission's five forward gear ratios, fourth gear is direct 1:1 and fifth gear is an overdrive 0.716:1.<p>This transmission is shifted via a sporty console-mounted, gate-type shift lever. In addition to being displayed on the shifter gate, shifter position also is displayed in the instrument panel.<p>The six-speed manual transmission is designed for lightness and shifting ease. Of this transmission's six forward gear ratios, fifth gear is a direct 1:1 and sixth gear is an overdrive 0.799:1. The shift pattern is the standard three-plane double-H, with Reverse in an additional plane to the far left and up.<p>The two-speed transfer case used in the 4x4 FJ Cruiser is the essential link that routes power from the engine through the transmission and to the front and rear axles. In standard-transmission models, it is the same full-time four-wheel-drive transfer case used in the V6-powered 4x4 4Runner. This transfer case features a Torsen limited-slip center differential with a locking feature and distributes the engine's power 40-percent/front and 60-percent/rear in most driving conditions. It changes this distribution percentage as needed, based on steering angle and wheel slippage. When locked, it distributes power, front to rear, on a 50/50 basis. The system helps make the FJ Cruiser less prone to tire slippage caused by changes in road conditions.<p>With automatic-transmission models, FJ Cruiser gets a part-time transfer case. When the transfer cases are in high range, their output ratio is 1:1. When shifted into low range, their gear ratio is 2.566:1. With the automatic transmission, the FJ Cruiser's crawl ratio is 33.76:1. With the manual transmission, the crawl ratio is 41.84:1, a fact that helped the FJ Cruiser traverse California's famed Rubicon Trail last September.<p>Comfort/Interior<br>The FJ Cruiser's interior features a dash that is bordered by upper and lower tubular forms, which frame rectangular-shaped flat panels. Control knobs are large enough to provide easy grip, even when wearing gloves, and switches for critical functions, including HVAC, audio controls and the optional locking rear differential, are mounted in the center dash panel within easy reach of the driver. With the optional upgrade packages, the front interior door panels are color-keyed to the exterior color.<p>A standard full gauge package, including speedometer, tachometer, amp meter, temperature gauge and fuel gauge, uses round, black-on-white dials and gauges for enhanced visibility. Warning lights monitor other functions, and an oil-<br>maintenance indicator notifies the driver when the FJ Cruiser's engine oil is due<br>to be changed.<p>Seating is especially adaptable in the FJ Cruiser. The driver's seat is adjustable in eight ways to help drivers of all sizes and shapes find their most comfortable driving positions. The passenger seat is adjustable in four ways. The rear seat is split 60/40, with folding (removable) bottom and back cushions that convert to a nearly flat cargo floor. Additionally, for 4x4 enthusiasts with young families, the FJ Cruiser uses Toyota's LATCH child-restraint system.<p>Because the FJ Cruiser is optimized for dusty, muddy driving environments, easy cleaning and maintenance are important elements of its interior. Seating materials are not only water-repellant, but also provide excellent ventilation. Seats are covered with a fabric backed by a special breathable resin coating to enhance the material's ability to shed liquids so that seats can easily be wiped down and cleaned. Even the stitched seams of the seat covers are treated with sealant to prevent liquids from penetrating the seams. Also as an aid to easy cleaning, the FJ Cruiser's floor surfaces are covered with an attractive gray rubber-like material.<p>From: pressroom.toyota.com<br>

anonms
12-27-2005, 12:05 PM
Design and Styling<br>Design features that hint at the FJ Cruiser's heritage are its front grille, which ties its two round, five-inch headlights together in much the same way the FJ40's headlights and grille were integrated; its hood and fender contours; and a rear-mounted and exposed full-size spare tire with an off-center license-plate-mounting location. Additionally, the FJ Cruiser employs a white roof cap and wrap-around rear side windows, which were FJ40 signatures.<p>The FJ Cruiser uses two main doors  one per side  but unlike anything ever seen on an FJ40, it also uses two access doors that open 90 degrees in clamshell fashion for easy rear-seat ingress and egress. Additionally, a swing-up glass hatch is incorporated into the side-hinged rear door. This opens independently of the rear door and helps accommodate longer items such as lumber or surfboards while keeping the rear door closed.<p>Wheel arches are angular and open to provide maximum clearance for the FJ Cruiser's large 32-inch tires at full suspension deflection. The arches are edged by flexible fender flares that resist damage during vigorous off-roading  and also resist damage from the doors of the vehicles beside which the FJ Cruiser might find itself parked during urban and suburban expeditions.<p>Safety<br>Dual-stage front driver and passenger advanced airbags are standard with the FJ Cruiser. Two rows of side-curtain airbags, as well as driver and front-passenger seat-mounted side airbags, are available as options.<p>As with all other Toyota SUVs, the FJ Cruiser is equipped with Toyota's Star Safety System. This includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Traction Control (TRAC), an Antilock Brake System (ABS), Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist.<p>Four-channel, four-sensor ABS helps prevent the wheels from locking under hard braking, while EBD distributes appropriate braking force between the front and rear wheels according to driving conditions. The traction-control system (TRAC) helps reduce tire slippage during slippery or challenging driving conditions, and the VSC system helps keep the FJ Cruiser on the driver's intended course by detecting front- and/or rear-wheel slide during cornering and attempting to control slide conditions via torque intervention and/or braking of individual wheels.<p>Interesting Details<br>A number of interesting and unusual features mark the thoughtfulness with which the FJ Cruiser was conceived and designed. For example, instead of the usual pair of front windshield-wiper arms, the FJ Cruiser uses three wiper arms to provide nearly complete coverage of the vehicle's wide windshield. Diffusion-type nozzles are used in the washing assembly to provide superior washing performance. The same type of diffusion nozzle is used on the rear-window washer.<p>As an aid to driver and front-passenger comfort, the floor angle in the footwell is set at 33 degrees to help those in the front seats maintain proper seating position.<p>The rear cargo area is equipped with cargo-net hooks, multipurpose grocery-bag hooks and sturdy, floor-mounted cargo tie-down anchor points. An AC115-volt 100/400-watt accessory connector socket is available.<p>Standard Features and Options<br>The 2007 FJ Cruiser is available in both two- and four-wheel drive andcomes with a long list of standard features. These include 17-inch black steel wheels with P265/70R17 tires, air conditioning, power windows and door locks, black water-resistant seats, a tilt steering wheel, four cup holders and two bottle holders, rear-window defogger; engine, transfer-case and fuel-tank skid plates; rear-door-mounted fullsize spare, tow hooks front and rear; and mudguards.<p>Three audio systems are available in the FJ Cruiser. An AM/FM/CD system with six speakers is standard. A Premium Audio FJammer AM/FM eight-speaker system that incorporates an in-dash six-disc CD changer is available as an option. Finally, the same FJammer Premium Audio system is available with a ninth speaker  a 7.9-inch subwoofer, powered by its own dedicated amplifier, incorporated into the right-rear panel of the rear cargo compartment. An on/off switch for the sub-woofer is located in the dash's lower-center switch cluster. An auxiliary jack also is located in the lower-center switch cluster to provide input for portable audio devices  i.e., MP3-like devices - and a 12-volt DC accessory socket is provided to power those devices.<p>The FJ Cruiser is equipped with a pair of NXT SurfaceSound transducers, which convert the vehicle's ceiling into a speaker diaphragm. It marks the first time this technology has been used in a motor vehicle. The result complements the conventional speakers elsewhere in the vehicle, creating a broad, omni-directional dispersion of sound.<p>Buyers can personalize the FJ Cruiser by selecting one or more of the following packages. A Convenience Package includes keyless entry, cruise control, power side-view mirrors with image lights, daytime running lights, privacy glass, rear window wiper; and rear parking sonar.<p>Upgrade Package One, which requires the Convenience Package, includes the following: A highly capable active offroad traction-control system, rear locking differential, multi-information display (compass, inclinometer and temperature gauge); Premium Audio system with in-dash six-disc changer, equalizer and eight speakers; 400-watt inverter, 17-inch alloy wheels, leather-trimmed covered steering wheel with integral audio controls and cruise-control function, metal-colored shift lever, and interior door-trim inserts keyed to the vehicle's exterior color.<p>Upgrade Package Two, which requires the Convenience Package and includes the content of Upgrade Package One plus the rear subwoofer.<p>FJ Cruiser separate options include side and curtain airbags; 17-inch alloy wheels, rear locking differential, and running boards.<p>Other available accessories include auxiliary driving lights, rock rails, roof rack, brush guard, taillight guards, sport exhaust system, receiver hitch and harness, wind deflector with off-road lights, a cargo mat and all-weather or carpeted floor mats.<p>Color choices for the FJ Cruiser include Titanium Metallic, Black Diamond, Black Cherry, Sun Fusion and Voodoo Blue.<p>Warranty<br>The 2007 FJ Cruiser is covered by Toyota's 36-month/36,000-mile basic new-vehicle warranty and applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60,000 miles and corrosion perforation with no mileage limitation.<p>From: pressroom.toyota.com

spwolf
12-28-2005, 06:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cuisinek</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=108557/pageId=67603" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...67603</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>edmunds gave it pretty nice review. Sound system is tops too.

syclone
12-29-2005, 12:41 AM
Interesting note about that sound system is that it is the first mass-produced car to use NXT's new flat panel speaker system. Apparently, the inside of the roof is the speakers. (This company also supplies the technology to an NEC computer monitor where the screen itself is a speaker.) Good to hear that someone is actually picking up this technology (its been around for ages) - and even better that it actually works. Now if Toyota can get it into some more desirable vehicles...

jamez992
01-02-2006, 12:21 AM
Poor Toyota...what have they done??<br>I would be embarassed to be in this veichle.<br>They should have waited for the release of their competitions models, and see how they could of improved it.<p>oh well,<br>I wont be owning one

spwolf
01-02-2006, 03:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jamez992</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Poor Toyota...what have they done??<br>I would be embarassed to be in this veichle.<br>They should have waited for the release of their competitions models, and see how they could of improved it.<p>oh well,<br>I wont be owning one</TD></TR></TABLE><p>just out of curiousity, what would the competition be? Anyone else with 40 yr old FJ's?

Superfresa
01-02-2006, 06:10 PM
I suppose that the New Defender due 2009, the Jeep Wrangler due next year, and even its own Dodge Nitro...<p>However I dont think that waiting for them would have made any sense...

spwolf
01-02-2006, 06:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I suppose that the New Defender due 2009, the Jeep Wrangler due next year, and even its own Dodge Nitro...<p>However I dont think that waiting for them would have made any sense...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont think you got his point, but since it is pretty dumb point, no need of explaining it :-). Gimme diesel and I would dig it, otherwise still set on new Rav...

ndjan
01-02-2006, 09:10 PM
I'd say the Xterra is it's closest competitor, they're going for the same demographic... but it's not that close

knicks125
01-04-2006, 12:58 PM
US pricing annouced:<p><A HREF="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-04-2006/0004242628&EDATE=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-...EDATE=</A>

spwolf
01-04-2006, 04:38 PM
Pricing for the FJ Cruiser will reflect an excellent value when it<br>launches this spring. The FJ Cruiser 4x2 with a five-speed automatic<br>transmission will carry a base MSRP of $21,710. Pricing for the FJ Cruiser<br>4x4 with a six-speed manual will be priced at $22,890 while the 4x4 with a<br>five-speed automatic will start at $23,300.<p>- standard stuff includes a/c, vsc/trc/abs, 2x airbags, cd player, 240HP V6 engine... <p>Pretty nice pricing? Seems you will be able to get very nicely equipped 6 speed 4x4 for 25k.

ndjan
01-04-2006, 06:14 PM
Don't think anyone mentioned it yet, but you can configure an FJ on the Toyota website now<br>

cheongyei
01-08-2006, 01:42 AM
I saw several of these at the L.A. show yesterday, and I must admit that as "over-the-top" they seemed to be initially, they are actually compelling. And the pricing makes them that much more attractive. They are not at all luxurious. They are retro, including the rubber floor mats. But priced under $25K with a nice V6, they are priced to sell. Much rougher than even the Honda Element, but so creatively done that I could actually see this in my garage. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-08-2006, 03:32 AM
They sell in 4X2 Version too? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I would've expected better from one of the most respectable 4X4s out there. It also hints, I guess at part time only 4X4?

spwolf
01-08-2006, 04:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They sell in 4X2 Version too? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I would've expected better from one of the most respectable 4X4s out there. It also hints, I guess at part time only 4X4?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they sell RWD with LSD or 4x4 version, as it is traditional in US market... Auto is part time 4WD while Manual is full time 4WD. There is something for everyone here :-).

ndjan
01-08-2006, 12:59 PM
Actually, certain types of off-roading require 2wd, so it sorta makes sense.

LEXUS FAN!
03-23-2006, 04:37 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060322/FREE/60320009/1041" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/apps/p.../1041</A>

Miyka'el
03-23-2006, 05:54 PM
Hmm... this is interesting....<p>I was in Chicago a week ago -- one passed me on the highway. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I turn to muse, "Huh... I didn't know those were out yet."<p>Mike

Superfresa
03-23-2006, 06:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, certain types of off-roading require 2wd, so it sorta makes sense.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ROFL. Dont get a Cruiser to do powerlides! For everything else, I dont see the use of 2WD over 4WD, 'cept for about 1mpg fuel economy. If thats the case, dont get a cruiser either!

LEXUS FAN!
03-23-2006, 07:10 PM
yea...i saw 2 FJs on a truck to a dealership i assume on March 5

bolita
03-24-2006, 09:01 AM
Me too at the Austin Conv Center. They were parked in front. Look better in person than thru pix!

Bounce
03-24-2006, 09:23 AM
Drove an FJ yesterday. The Dealer had just got in a silver one. Ride height is similar to my Wrangler. But the ride was much smoother. The one I drove was fully loaded. It had a V6 engine, Automatic tranny and seemed to have a good amount of power. I took in on an rough unpaved parking lot with lots of bumps and it did very well. <br>I was very surprised at how tight the turning radius is. <br>All in all not bad.<br>

DoMiNo
03-24-2006, 02:02 PM
Aaahhh they had a ton of these at the dealer in downtown L.A... pretty much all colors. These things look great, and I'm tempted to check them out when the time comes for a new car... but I'm still not sold because an <I>Automobile</I> feature this month says the backseat is hard to get in even with the clamshell doors and once you're in, it's basically uninhabitable. Besides that, they said the fuel economy was dismal and the blind spots unacceptably huge. Just seems a little less practical than I'd hoped it would be... still an awesome vehicle though.

Naga Royal Guard
03-24-2006, 02:14 PM
i drove past a toyota dealer sunday and saw neither FJs nor the new Camry

WeTinh
03-24-2006, 03:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i drove past a toyota dealer sunday and saw neither FJs nor the new Camry</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats because they're all sold out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>People actually use the backseats?

nismo
03-25-2006, 12:28 AM
I saw a white one driving around in the parking lot at my job, you should have seen how some people just stared at it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> . I think its going to sell pretty good. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-25-2006, 01:33 AM
I saw one tonight and I was completely underwhelemed by it. The design is just awkward and clumsily done, and the proportions could not be more wrong. It'll sell, but Toyota missed an opportunity here.

vasia
03-25-2006, 01:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I saw one tonight and I was completely underwhelemed by it. The design is just awkward and clumsily done, and the proportions could not be more wrong. It'll sell, but Toyota missed an opportunity here.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What opportunity was that? The FJ has polarizing styling, which is a good thing, because it will carve out a loyal nice in the market. <p>It's just as capable, if not more so than the Xterra or H3. Plus there are tons of off-road aftermarket companies already working on add-ons and enhancements for it.

LEXUS FAN!
03-25-2006, 02:46 PM
i saw one driving in the street today...very nice

WeTinh
03-25-2006, 04:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What opportunity was that? The FJ has polarizing styling, which is a good thing, because it will carve out a loyal nice in the market. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>don't waste your time, he's a "4" man. either the fj or the new bronco....oh wait, what bronco?

JBlair
03-25-2006, 05:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WeTinh</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't waste your time, he's a "4" man. either the fj or the new bronco....oh wait, what bronco?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Excuse me??<br> <p>What I was saying is that Toyota had an opportunity to make a vehicle that actually looked GOOD, but they failed. Now, its not horrible looking, but the proportions are completely off.

mzoltarp
03-26-2006, 06:18 AM
I saw one on the freeyway yesterday. Toyota will sell a boatload of them. Why buy a highlander or a 4runner when you can have something that is actually cool and exciting?

WeTinh
03-26-2006, 11:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What I was saying is that Toyota had an opportunity to make a vehicle that actually looked GOOD, but they failed. Now, its not horrible looking, but the proportions are completely off.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its not supposed to look "good", the oddity, quirkiness is what makes an FJ unique from the 4runner/Rav4. At least they're not trying to make it look exactly like the old one like ford/chrysler/gm did with their mustang/challenger/camaro.

DoMiNo
03-26-2006, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What I was saying is that Toyota had an opportunity to make a vehicle that actually looked GOOD, but they failed. Now, its not horrible looking, but the proportions are completely off.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well in a way it pays homage to the original FJs... and I think it'd be reasonable to say that those weren't exactly sexy and well-proportioned either... IMO thinking of the FJ Cruiser in those terms is missing the point.

JBlair
03-26-2006, 07:00 PM
I've seen pics of the original FJs and they looked much more graceful (in a trucky sort of way) than the new one does.

WeTinh
03-27-2006, 06:57 AM
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jlaidler
03-27-2006, 09:37 PM
I love it. I have a Jeep Wrangler now, I am very interested in this except the roof doesn't come off. But I love it and they will sell every one at the price point they put on this.

LEXUS FAN!
03-27-2006, 10:25 PM
yea...it seems toyota has been putting prices lower than expected on a lot of their new cars...i was expecting the new RAV4, Camry and FJ to be a couple thousand dollars more expensive