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copic
02-09-2005, 07:30 AM
First official pic on Autobild.de<p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63908.jpg" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
02-09-2005, 02:42 PM
For me I don't see any reason for this car, the A-class already has enough space to be considred as either an mpv or a golf rival. The B looks so generic beside the clever looking A-class. I guess the MB engineers just had excess spare time.

Krypton
02-09-2005, 02:45 PM
its the version if the A class thats coming to the US. Us citizens seem to like things bigger, I still dont like it but its better to be hit by excursion in this than a A-class

SV
02-09-2005, 04:26 PM
i like it, but the space between the headlights and the grille is bigger than i expected

spwolf
02-09-2005, 04:46 PM
i like it.. profile does look a bit like that new honda mid-mpv in europe, doesnt it?

Ascariss
02-09-2005, 05:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SLR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its the version if the A class thats coming to the US. Us citizens seem to like things bigger, I still dont like it but its better to be hit by excursion in this than a A-class</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes this is the B class that is slated to appear in the US, but MB has delayed the introduction of the B class to the US market, but Canada and mexico will go as schedualed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

1994MBE500
02-09-2005, 11:44 PM
Any word on base price for the B in Cdn$ ?? <p>It will have to be quite a bit less than the C Coupe ($36450) to make it attractive, IMO.

Ascariss
02-10-2005, 12:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>1994MBE500</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any word on base price for the B in Cdn$ ?? <p>It will have to be quite a bit less than the C Coupe ($36450) to make it attractive, IMO. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It would have to be under 30, because no one will buy it for 3er prices, 34800 for 320i base, not much but still more than the B class. Maybe around 27k to 28.5k.

skoochythatone
02-10-2005, 05:25 AM
Tomorrows edition of Autobild will feature the official pictures, or at least it looks like they got them:<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/63936.jpg" BORDER="0">

carrera4
02-10-2005, 05:26 AM
A bunch of official pics<br>from <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63996.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63997.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63998.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63999.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64000.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64001.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64002.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64004.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64006.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64007.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64008.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

Cozz
02-10-2005, 06:02 AM
I like the side profile along with the interior. The front and rear needs some work. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It seems it won't come to the US because of the doller/Euro difference.

Chickpig
02-10-2005, 07:40 AM
great and nice as expected. But the interior doesn't seem so high in quality from these pictures. But i'm sure it'll be good with hi reso pics. I also wish to see this car with wood.

badman
02-10-2005, 08:48 AM
The exterior design seems really bland, especially the rear. :/ Interior looks okay, although the steering wheel seems really chunky. I do like the panorama roof though. :D

Blackraven
02-10-2005, 09:06 AM
The steering wheel looks like the one on the new M-class. Looks really old-fashioned (like those cars from the 50s). I don't get it on why MB chose to put ugly old-fashioned steering wheel design. If that would be the case, it might not be an MB anymore but more like a buick from the late 60s.<p><br>The rest seems okay but do you guys think the Navigation system display/screen is to small???<p><br>or wait....<p>there are two screens, a bigger one and the one that's so small one.<p><br>I'm guessing the bigger one is for Navigation while the small screen is the standard one and the unit for those who aren't gonna buy GPS navi systems.

myredhotcar
02-10-2005, 09:11 AM
Almost makes the C-class obsolete. Finally mom gets a funky car to compliment dad's 3-series/&/or truck. Wait, does this car make too much sense for the average suv-lovin' suburban american mom? So aim it at the small business woman instead. (I like it.)

fubar
02-10-2005, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The steering wheel looks like the one on the new M-class. Looks really old-fashioned (like those cars from the 50s). I don't get it on why MB chose to put ugly old-fashioned steering wheel design.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since the B-Class is a compact crossover/mpv it shares the SUV steering-wheel like the M-Class and the R-Class. I agree that it looks a little clunky for a car of that size but I understand the logic. Im glad that it doesnt have a column gearshift like the M-Class.

carrera4
02-10-2005, 10:45 AM
from <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64076.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64077.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64078.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

Top Secret
02-10-2005, 02:08 PM
...wow. This car just looks incredible. More or less the BEST design MB has come up with in the last few years. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-10-2005, 02:37 PM
I think MB will definitely have a hit with this car. My only question is how will the car feel. Will it feel like it's bigger siblings (solid, tight and rich) or like your average small hatch?

spwolf
02-10-2005, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">great and nice as expected. But the interior doesn't seem so high in quality from these pictures. But i'm sure it'll be good with hi reso pics. I also wish to see this car with wood. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, it is an relativly cheap car, so it has cheaper materials than more upmarket mercs...<p>That profile looks a lot like Honda FR-V, interior is aggressive enough but back is less interesting as much as i see, since nobody wants to post back pics :-).<p>I dont see the point of it in the US, they simply cant make the pricing attractive enough to justify volume needed.

Krypton
02-10-2005, 03:20 PM
The back looks a bit bland but that last pic of the red car looks nice, THe interior looks good but no wood

jro4566
02-10-2005, 04:07 PM
It looks fast while standing...I obviously like it.

syclone
02-10-2005, 04:46 PM
For me, its tempting to check out just on account of the roof. That the rest of the package aint too shabby just adds to it.

AutoSaurus
02-11-2005, 01:57 PM
According to this weeks AutoNews the B Class for the US is again dead until exchange rates are better. No release any earlier than 2007.<p>Quote: <B>Mercedes-Benz will delay the U.S. launch of the compact B class for at least a year because of currency and cost concerns. </B>

RikfromBelgium
02-13-2005, 05:37 AM
I like the looks, but it's too much Civic and not enough MB.<br>I'm not sure about the succes-rate this car will have. It's one tough segment it's competing in, so I hope for MB it won't have MB's prices, because that could be a problem.

spwolf
02-13-2005, 06:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the looks, but it's too much Civic and not enough MB.<br>I'm not sure about the succes-rate this car will have. It's one tough segment it's competing in, so I hope for MB it won't have MB's prices, because that could be a problem. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, I think it is more suited to its market than 1 series... It looks to be practical car with MB badge, unlike 1 series which is its complete opposite.

Cozz
02-13-2005, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the looks, but it's too much Civic and not enough MB.<br>I'm not sure about the succes-rate this car will have. It's one tough segment it's competing in, so I hope for MB it won't have MB's prices, because that could be a problem. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeh, a Corolla/Matrix/Civic 4-dr can be bought at just under $20,000...some of the best selling in the US. How is MB going to compete with a higher price and a loyalty grade that shines from the imports.

RikfromBelgium
02-13-2005, 11:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>well, I think it is more suited to its market than 1 series... It looks to be practical car with MB badge, unlike 1 series which is its complete opposite.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>true, but look at it this way: the 1 series gives its customer something new with the RWD and the sportiness, gizmo's new for the segment... <br>If it's practicality you want, there are already a lot of models in the B-class segment that will give you all you need for less money ( I expect the B-class to be priced higher than say a scenic )

Cozz
02-14-2005, 09:47 PM
Source: DCX Media<p><b>World premiere of the new B-Class at the Geneva Motor Show - a Mercedes-Benz in new dimensions<p>Stuttgart, Feb 14, 2005 </b><br>The Sports Tourer concept developed by Mercedes-Benz is entering series production: the new Mercedes-Benz B-Class, a Compact Sports Tourer of outstanding design, dynamism and dimensions, celebrates its world premiere at the Geneva International Motor Show.<br>With this new vehicle concept, Mercedes-Benz is once again asserting its role as the trendsetter among car brands and preparing the way for a young market segment with a promising future. The Sports Tourer meets the wishes of todays motorists for a car with generous space, exemplary comfort, excellent practicality, an exciting design and a high level of driving pleasure. The new B-Class takes the advantages of different vehicle concepts and combines them into an interesting and distinctive profile of its own: as a Compact Sports Tourer, the B-Class is a touring, family and recreational vehicle with incomparable added experience value in terms of design and dynamism.<p>One of the major advantages of the Compact Sports Tourer is the sandwich concept developed by Mercedes-Benz. Thanks to the space-saving arrangement of the engine and transmission partly in front of and partly beneath the passenger cell, the new B-Class offers the interior spaciousness of larger saloons and estate cars despite its compact external dimensions. The body has a length of 4270 millimetres, corresponding to the compact car class. Inside, however, the new Mercedes model offers more than other cars of comparable size in this segment in all comfort-related respects, e.g. shoulder-room, legroom and headroom.<p>Occupants in the rear benefit from the long wheelbase (2778 millimetres); this allows a distance between seats and generous kneeroom which almost matches that in the S-Class.<p>The B-Class also reaches new dimensions where variability and load capacity are concerned. Thanks to a height-adjustable load compartment floor, an asymmetrically divided, folding and removable rear seat unit plus an optionally removable front passenger seat, the Compact Sports Tourer is quickly and easily converted from a comfortable touring car to a practical van. Depending on the number and position of the seats, the load capacity can be increased from 544 to up to 2245 litres (with rear seats and front passenger seat removed). This corresponds to the load capacity of large estate cars. The maximum loading length is 2.95 metres.<p><b>State-of-the-art petrol engines with up to 142 kW/193 hp</b><p>High-torque CDI diesel engines and up-to-date petrol units meet the need of the Sports Tourer concept for effortless performance and a high level of driving pleasure. There is a choice of six four-cylinder engines with outputs ranging from 70 kW/95 hp to 142 kW/193 hp. The top-of-the-line B 200 TURBO is equipped with a new two-litre, four-cylinder engine which delivers a maximum torque of 280 Newton metres from as little as 1800 rpm thanks to turbocharging and intercooling, and maintains this value over a wide engine speed range up to 4850 rpm. This means that the most powerful of the Compact Sports Tourers accelerates from standstill to 100 km/h in just 7.6 seconds, takes the fifth-gear sprint from 80 to 120 km/h in 7.3 seconds and achieves a maximum speed of 225 km/h.<p><b>High-torque diesel engines with fuel consumption of just 5.6 litres per 100 kilometres </b><p>The diesel line-up is headed by the B 200 CDI with 103 kW/140 hp, which has a remarkably high torque of 300 Newton metres. The newly developed turbodiesel with common-rail direct injection accelerates the Compact Sports Tourer from nought to 100 km/h in 9.6 seconds, and from 80 to 120 km/h in 10.0 seconds (in fifth gear). The maximum speed of the B 200 CDI is 200 km/h. Despite this superb performance the fuel consumption remains below the six-litre mark at 5.6 litres per 100 kilometres (combined consumption).<p>The CDI models in the B-Class meet the stringent EU 4 exhaust emission limits even without a particulate filter, though Mercedes-Benz offers a maintenance-free diesel particulate filter system on request.<p>The new B 200 TURBO and the CDI models B 180 CDI and B 200 CDI are equipped with a six-speed manual transmission as standard. The newly developed, continuously variable AUTOTRONIC automatic transmission is optionally available for all engine variants of the B-Class.<p><b>Top-class technology for agile handling and outstanding safety</b><p>Innovations in the field of suspension technology have contributed greatly to a successful combination of agility, safety and comfort  with all these attributes enjoying equal importance.<p>The electromechanical power steering system generates its servo effect with an electric motor, varying it as a function of road speed. This means the servo action is greater at low speeds than at high speeds, thus making it easier to park or manoeuvre slowly. The parabolic rear axle is likewise a new development. It makes a major contribution to the stable, sporty and precise handling, as well as the excellent ride comfort of the new B-Class.<p>The improved Electronic Stability Program (ESP) now has a new, additional function: the STEER CONTROL steering assistance system. This operates in tandem with the electromechanical power steering system, providing the appropriate servo assistance in critical handling situations to help the driver stabilise the vehicle. When braking on road surfaces offering less grip on one side than the other the new, additional ESP function also helps with steering corrections and provides the driver with better road contact.<p>A further special feature included as standard for the Compact Sports Tourer is the selective damping system which adapts the shock absorber response to the current driving situation. A soft shock absorber configuration ensures a high level of ride comfort during normal driving, while maximum damping force is applied when taking bends at speed to give the B-Class maximum stability.<p><b>Typical Mercedes safety thanks to the sandwich concept</b><p>The patented sandwich principle, which achieves wonders where economy of space is concerned, is the centrepiece of the safety concept in the new B-Class. Intelligently arranging the engine and transmission in an inclined position partly in front of and partly beneath the passenger cell makes a greater effective front end length available for crash deformation. During a severe frontal impact the drive unit is not moved backwards towards the interior, but slides downwards along the likewise inclined pedal floor panel. Moreover, the sandwich concept has significant advantages in the event of a lateral collision because the occupants are seated approx. 200 millimetres higher  and therefore above the impact zone. This means that despite its compact exterior dimensions, the B-Class provides the level of occupant safety typically found in a Mercedes.<p>Two-stage front airbags, belt tensioners in the front and on the outer rear seats, adaptive belt force limiters, active head restraints, ISOFIX child seat attachments and head/thorax sidebags round off the standard occupant protection system.<p><b>High-quality materials and extensive standard appointments</b><p>The interior appointments likewise correspond to the high standard set by Mercedes Benz. The design and feel of the interior features complement each other, creating an atmosphere in which the occupants are immediately at ease to enjoy the high level of long-distance comfort. Standard specification includes air conditioning, a four-spoke steering wheel with multifunction buttons, an armrest between the front seats, power windows and tinted glass, plus high-quality trim of brushed aluminium on the centre console, tunnel and door panels.<p>Mercedes-Benz has grouped further design features which accentuate the sporty, elegant appearance or sporty attributes of the new B-Class into optionally available chrome and sports packages.<p><b>High technology from bi-xenon to THERMOTRONIC</b><p>High-tech systems from the Mercedes luxury class further enhance comfort and the driving experience in the new Compact Sports Tourer. Optionally available features include THERMOTRONIC automatic climate control, electrically adjustable front seats, leather upholstery and the COMAND APS or Audio 50 APS radio/navigation system. On request the standard projection-beam headlamps behind their clear lenses can be upgraded with bi-xenon technology, the Active Light System and a cornering light function.<p>A newly developed, panoramic louvred sunroof provides the occupants of the new B-Class with a unique open-air experience as an optional extra, and in its closed position it also contributes to the light, friendly atmosphere in the interior of the Compact Sports Tourer. The roof aperture is around two thirds larger than that of a conventional sliding roof. A fixed panoramic roof with a grey-tinted, 0.6 square metre glass panel is optionally available as an alternative to the sliding roof.<p>The new B-Class, the Compact Sports Tourer by Mercedes-Benz, will appear in the showrooms of Mercedes-Benz outlets and authorised dealerships in Europe in summer 2005.<br>

PHYMB
02-15-2005, 12:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I also wish to see this car with wood. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here are some pictures of the wood you were looking for, as I was looking for it also... Looks more like the concept interior... Very nice!!! The aluminum and wood looks good, and there are some more pictures also....<p>I don't know how to copy the pics from a FLash video, so just watch it and you will see, and you can also pause...<p> <A HREF="http://www.mercedes-benz.com/mbcom/international/international_website/en/com/international_home/home/products/passengercars/vision/b_class_sportstourer.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mercedes-benz.com/m....html</A>

Player4
02-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Heres an email sent to me by Mercedes-Benz today....<p><I>As you may have heard, the U.S. launch of the Compact Sports Tourer Vision B (B-Class) has been postponed. We appreciate your enthusiasm for the B-Class and we'll keep you posted on future news and developments.<p>We also want to keep you in the loop on many of the exciting things going on at Mercedes. This year, we're launching two brand new models, the CLS-Class, the world's first four-door coupe, and the Grand Sports Tourer Vision R (R-Class), blending the best characteristics of a sport sedan, wagon and SUV in an entirely new category. In the spring, we'll also be launching the all-new 2006 M-Class. <p>We've also got some hot deals on our coolest cars going on right now. Through February 28th, we've got a great lease offer on a new 2005 C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan for just $349/month (for 39 months* with $3,399 total cash due at signing). With the C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan you get smooth, supercharged performance, sculpted bodywork and an ultra-responsive 6-speed manual transmission. <br></I>

ajprice
02-15-2005, 02:29 PM
Overall it looks a bit, ok very Honda FRV, the front end is a bit Peugeot 307 too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>Oh well.

velsatis
02-15-2005, 07:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>true, but look at it this way: the 1 series gives its customer something new with the RWD and the sportiness, gizmo's new for the segment... <br>If it's practicality you want, there are already a lot of models in the B-class segment that will give you all you need for less money ( I expect the B-class to be priced higher than say a scenic )</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are comparing a renault with a Mercedes? I mean, isn't it the point to have a superior car being in the same class? In which the B-Class clearly is superior.<br>Why don't you do the same comparison with the 1-series? An Audi A3, or a Golf, a focus, a C4, a 307, a C4, etc....because it as rear transmission? sorry but that's not enough in this class and with a plus of inferior interior room the 1-Series as big problems to insert in the class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-15-2005, 07:48 PM
i dont think people buy small cars such as the 1 series because they are looking for a roomy, spacious car

drugmirko
02-20-2005, 04:55 AM
<br>hmmm... been talking on local forum and we just wonder.... is there slight simmilarity or not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/honda/fr-v/03-large/2004-side-s.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/M/mercedes/b-class/03-large/05-s-st.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/honda/fr-v/03-large/04-side-s.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>pics from 4car

drugmirko
02-20-2005, 05:01 AM
if you take away that BMW X5/3 rear end on Honda, that is... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
02-20-2005, 05:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You are comparing a renault with a Mercedes? I mean, isn't it the point to have a superior car being in the same class? In which the B-Class clearly is superior.<br>Why don't you do the same comparison with the 1-series? An Audi A3, or a Golf, a focus, a C4, a 307, a C4, etc....because it as rear transmission? sorry but that's not enough in this class and with a plus of inferior interior room the 1-Series as big problems to insert in the class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes I do compare them. And that's because they are the competition. Its room most people want in this segment, nut luxury or gizmo's. And the "lesser" brands will, and have already for many years, offer that for less money than this B-class. I'm not saying there isn't a market for this car. I just doubt it will be a big one, I think it will have some very strong competition. <p>I think I did compare the 1 series with it's segment, so that includes them all. And as was mentioned, that segment isn't all about space ( although with the seats down a 1 series is roomier than an A3 sportback )<br>You may think it has an inferior interior and problems getting in the segment, but most tests and salesfigures will prove you wrong on both points. Anyway, this topic is about the B-class.

husseindesign
02-20-2005, 08:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>hmmm... been talking on local forum and we just wonder.... is there slight simmilarity or not <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/honda/fr-v/03-large/2004-side-s.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/M/mercedes/b-class/03-large/05-s-st.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/honda/fr-v/03-large/04-side-s.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>pics from 4car</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Here we go again <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Look for a more original car to compare it to a Mercedes! That Honda is already a mix of several car styles.. A-class-like head lights.. Mercedes+BMW-like side.. need I say more?<br>And secondly it's not possible that any one of them copied the other, because the two cars were designed and developed at the same time, and should one of them have spied the other during that time them I think it's clear where the spies werel be positioned, isnt it?

Tidal
02-20-2005, 08:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yes I do compare them. And that's because they are the competition. Its room most people want in this segment, nut luxury or gizmo's. And the "lesser" brands will, and have already for many years, offer that for less money than this B-class. I'm not saying there isn't a market for this car. I just doubt it will be a big one, I think it will have some very strong competition. <p>I think I did compare the 1 series with it's segment, so that includes them all. And as was mentioned, that segment isn't all about space ( although with the seats down a 1 series is roomier than an A3 sportback )<br>You may think it has an inferior interior and problems getting in the segment, but most tests and salesfigures will prove you wrong on both points. Anyway, this topic is about the B-class.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Imo, they don't. I think the A-klass is a much better match for the 1-series, image and space wise. Yes, the 1 series is about the same size as a A3 inside, but that isn't brilliant, and it feels less spacious somehow. But, as Naga said, people don't buy the 1 series, or A3, or A-klass for their space. However, that will be a major point about the B-klass. While the 1-series focuses on youthfulness and sport, the B-klass is more family, comfort oriented. I do agree with your previous post were you compare it to a Scenic, and it is true that " normal " manufacturers have come a long way when it comes to the quality of their products, but if a cars value was all that is important, cars like the BMW 3-series or the Audi A4 wouldn't dominate their market segments. Image sells. If the car is basically a good valid car ( which i believe this to be ), AND as a star on the hood, it will do just fine.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DVieira at 3:54 PM 2/20/2005</i>

Cozz
02-20-2005, 02:20 PM
iPod your B-Classe!<br><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/83953005B586__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/83951905B585__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/83950805A584__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>10,000 songs at the touch of a button: Mercedes-Benz takes the iPod on the road<p>Source: DCX Media<br>

RikfromBelgium
02-20-2005, 02:22 PM
I read the pressrelease, and it said MB was the first brand to do this, but I thought the 1 series already had that option. Is this someting else, or did MB overlook that?

Omar
02-20-2005, 02:24 PM
well press releases always are biased...

Cozz
02-20-2005, 02:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I read the pressrelease, and it said MB was the first brand to do this, but I thought the 1 series already had that option. Is this someting else, or did MB overlook that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm, I don't know. I do know you can control the Ipod with the radio and wheel, how about the 1 series, same thing or only the Ipod?<p>They sell a kit here for the 3 series but it can only be controlled on the Ipod.

RikfromBelgium
02-21-2005, 01:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hmm, I don't know. I do know you can control the Ipod with the radio and wheel, how about the 1 series, same thing or only the Ipod?<p>They sell a kit here for the 3 series but it can only be controlled on the Ipod.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>don't know, Ill check it out

velsatis
02-25-2005, 05:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I read the pressrelease, and it said MB was the first brand to do this, but I thought the 1 series already had that option. Is this someting else, or did MB overlook that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Smart FourTwo already as this option since last year.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:21 PM 2/25/2005</i>

knicks125
09-15-2005, 10:56 AM
No plans for US to recieve the car just yet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2005/14/c9568.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.newswire.ca/en/rele....html</A> - hits showroom in Canada <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">