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Gian86
02-08-2005, 10:00 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/X06BU_LU002.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/X06BU_LU006.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/X06BU_LU013.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/X06BU_LU015.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/zX06BU_LU008.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/zX06BU_LU010.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/zX06BU_LU016.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/zX06BU_LU021.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/zX06BU_LU027.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autoweek<p>Buick has some ambitious and aggressive plans for its LeSabre replacement.<p>How ambitious? Try Toyota Avalon or Lexus ES 330 territory.<p>How aggressive? Try a price point north of the $26,725 LeSabre and a move into the entry-luxury segment.<p>As the third vehicle in Buick's self-described product transformation, the Lucerne is a re-engineered and restyled sedan that Buick hopes can attract a new buyer.<p>"We expect the Lucerne, along with the LaCrosse and Terraza, to appeal to many new customers and account for approximately 75 percent of Buick sales," says Buick general manager John Larson. "We're in the process of rolling out one of the most aggressive product programs in Buick history."<p>Buick, and the LeSabre, could use a shot in the arm. LeSabre sales have dropped 21.4 percent during the last three years, from 145,304 in 2001.<p>With an infusion of ride and performance technology, and the addition of a V-8 engine, Buick says the front-wheel-drive Lucerne offers a better mix of technology and sophistication.<p>Buick will push the Lucerne's exterior design, premium interior and overall quietness when it brings the vehicle to market in the fourth quarter this year.<p>Among the changes this year:<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Lucerne will be the first Buick to offer Magnetic Ride Control, a handling system that uses magnetically charged particles suspended in fluid to continuously adjust the fluid's thickness to varying road surfaces and driving characteristics. The result: less body roll during cornering.<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Lucerne is the first Buick car to offer V-8 power in a decade. The V-8 features a 4.6-liter, 32-valve dual overhead cam engine estimated at 275 horsepower. A 3.8-liter V-6 is also available.<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Buick will provide six standard airbags on the Lucerne, including a dual-stage driver air bag, side-impact and side curtain air bags. Also included is a dual depth front passenger airbag that deploys to either a reduced depth or increased depth depending on the position of the seat and severity of impact.<p>Source: Automotive News<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 3:12 PM 2/9/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
02-08-2005, 10:05 PM
275 hp out of a V8 , i know torque will be more, but the Avalon is movin that out of an engine w/ 2 less cylinders and 1 less Litre<p>Buick is the established brand here tho, no way can the Avalon move it out of the way<p>styling is as anonymous as it is lame tho, rear looks good, thanks to their theft of the audi style chrome bar on the trunk <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

ohme467
02-08-2005, 10:13 PM
Aw man, are those the new Impala headlights on this New buick?

Gian86
02-08-2005, 10:16 PM
I had to say Buick and GM done so well on exterior, mostly styling. But didn't done well on interior of Lucerne because of dashboard looks which is mostly steering wheel looks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 3:34 PM 2/9/2005</i>

Cozz
02-08-2005, 10:16 PM
I see a little of Nissan Sentra in the front. The over all looks are better than before but not that much better. Interior looks like a 100% improvment but the radio area needs help.

ricerammer
02-08-2005, 10:30 PM
yes. GM is pretty keen on parts sharing.

cadil-benz
02-08-2005, 10:56 PM
<br>Sure the back looks like a cross between a Phaeton and a TSX and the front looks a tad to rounded to be considered beautiful, but overall this is the best looking sedan outside of Cadillac that GM has produced in the last ten years.<p>I can actually see a person under 50 driving this and people choosing it over an Avalon or ES330. This is the first Buick other than the long dead Riviera that I would consider good looking.<p>By the way, does anyone else think that in some pictures the front end looks like an M45 with the creases rounded off?

RetroJapan
02-08-2005, 11:05 PM
I really like the muted tone of the interior wood trim... It looks very nice... <p>The exterior is a little bland, and it seems like a combination of a lot of different cars (especially the Infiniti Q45 in the front and side profile)... With that said, it is probably the most modern looking Buick thus far, so hopefully the next generation of vehicles will be even better.. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RetroJapan at 10:13 PM 2/8/2005</i>

Nick
02-08-2005, 11:15 PM
nice lookin car...with the navigation the center stack should fill out quite nicely...it would be nice if it had the caddy's 3.6 as an option also...for a mid choice in between the 3.8 and 4.6...i'm glad its coming with magnaride, it should handle pretty well judging by that...

DoMiNo
02-08-2005, 11:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cadil-benz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>By the way, does anyone else think that in some pictures the front end looks like an M45 with the creases rounded off?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The lower grilles resemble it, yes... but for the most part the front looks like they threw a Buick grille on the Cobalt.<p>DLO looks good though, and I don't mind the back. interior is less than inspiring, but the faux wood looks better than in other GMs.

CarPenter
02-09-2005, 12:34 AM
ok from the A pillar back this car is kinda sweet even if the rear screams "acura" from a 89 integra to a 05 tsx, but gosh who approved that homely front end, its way too big, kinda like the boy in 6th grade that wore glasses 5 times bigger than his head ! and yes it does look like a cobalt on steroids, which is a sad statement cause there both major bad designs on the front ends ! shame on u bob lutz.

tyter1
02-09-2005, 05:01 AM
doors are almost the same<br>and also the rest ...<p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/VW/Passat2005/images/09.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...9.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/X06BU_LU002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...2.jpg</A><br>

Speedstick
02-09-2005, 05:59 AM
meh - ugly and boring. The front reminds me of a Spectra, or the new Rio or Accent or Elantra or something...<p>The lights look too big.

Speedstick
02-09-2005, 06:00 AM
And the back looks vaguely RSX-ish...

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 06:45 AM
looks better now, i see alot of the old extreme cab-forward Chrysler LHS sedan in this too

62Lincoln
02-09-2005, 06:51 AM
I'm disappointed with the big black box in the center of the dash, it looks cheap and out of place. It's hard to believe that this is the best interior GM could come up with for the target market. Nice vanilla exterior.

SV
02-09-2005, 07:06 AM
it looks more boring than in the leaked pictures, but i like it overall. what bugs me is why they couldn't have the 3.6-liter V6 engine be the base engine. when are they going to get rid of the 3.8? also, 275hp is unimpressive for a 4.6-liter V8, considering, like naga said, that the avalon has more hp with a V6. <p>the magnetic ride control is good though, that should overshadow the fact that it's still based off the lesabre's platform. i like the interior too. overall: good car, bad engines.

mzoltarp
02-09-2005, 07:15 AM
It's too bad the nose isn't a bit more aggressive and less blunt. The car has a good shape but it suffers from GM's blandness in the nose. From the A pillars back it's quite handsome. The nose is just ok.

knicks125
02-09-2005, 07:46 AM
I agree with Naga on the engine and the hp output and also the comments made by 62Lincoln<p>IMO, this car isn't very inspiring. Of course I could be wrong but this Buick is still going to attract the same crowd (those who always had Buick and/or GM), the design and the overall feel of the car are not going to have other people jumping up and down and wanting to buy this car ASAP.

Banker
02-09-2005, 11:03 AM
This is the best Buick in years. I neve thought I would say this, but even at 30 - I would enjoy having one. The V8 version of course.

knicks125
02-09-2005, 11:07 AM
it is more sportier than the previous Buicks...then again the same can be said for a lot of the new cars.

Charger
02-09-2005, 01:41 PM
Im actually impressed with Buick lately. They could have been a bit more creative with the front grille but I can live with that. Im not so keen on the back lights, they just dont seem very Buickish to me. Does anyone have the silver Lucerne pics that I saw on the live web cams?

Dodger
02-09-2005, 01:55 PM
These new Biucks are such a departure from the normal Buick styling. The front could be a little more inspired. I think the back end could pass for a Volkswagen. The interior is nice, almost identicle to the new DTS though. The steering wheel really craps on the interior for me.

spwolf
02-09-2005, 04:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the best Buick in years. I neve thought I would say this, but even at 30 - I would enjoy having one. The V8 version of course.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really? it looks pretty bland, front and back dont look like they would fit on same car, interior is 90's GM stuff, V8 with 275hp and 4 speed AT? V6 with 205hp?<p>LaCrosse looks much, much, much better if it has to be GM...

Charger
02-09-2005, 04:38 PM
Buick.com has silver Lucerne pics. It looks much better in silver.

Roadster44
02-09-2005, 06:09 PM
Not bad, but needed a bit sharper front end with more interesting headlights as well as different rims.

Bluesman
02-09-2005, 08:15 PM
I think this is decent looking car, not too strong, not to subtle. Perfect for cover the bases of older and middle aged buyers, which is the target here. I'd be interested to give it a serious look if comes with black leather in the CXS. I can't imagine why it wouldn't.<p>Does anyone know when they'll publish more details?

62Lincoln
02-10-2005, 04:20 AM
With the news of the cancellation of the Bonneville, does this car strike anyone as essentially a reskinned Bonny?

AM2
02-10-2005, 06:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> also, 275hp is unimpressive for a 4.6-liter V8, considering, like naga said, that the avalon has more hp with a V6. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well, I guess they are reserving the stronger Northstar V8 for Cadillacs.

Nick
02-10-2005, 10:10 PM
here's a pic of the interior with dvd/nav...<p><IMG SRC="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_chicago/0502_buick_lucerne_01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>found here <A HREF="http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_chicago/0503_buick_lucerne" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automobilemag.com/a...cerne</A>/

Buster
02-10-2005, 11:23 PM
I can clearly see why Toyota fans are so worried about this car. Unfortunately for them, the Lucerne completely overwhelms the Avalon. The Buick is attractive and has v8 power. The interior is exactly what older poeple want. Simplicity. One look at the Avalon's interior would scare anyone. This Buick is just the thing to enter middle age in understated class.

LEXUS FAN!
02-10-2005, 11:29 PM
phaeton taillights?<br>cobalt headlights?

Nick
02-10-2005, 11:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can clearly see why Toyota fans are so worried about this car. Unfortunately for them, the Lucerne completely overwhelms the Avalon. The Buick is attractive and has v8 power. The interior is exactly what older poeple want. Simplicity. One look at the Avalon's interior would scare anyone. This Buick is just the thing to enter middle age in understated class. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The avalon interior even scares me...I mean, while it looks like it has quality materials, it just seems overwhelming or something...something doesn't flow right or look right with it...

knicks125
02-11-2005, 04:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can clearly see why Toyota fans are so worried about this car. Unfortunately for them, the Lucerne completely overwhelms the Avalon. The Buick is attractive and has v8 power. The interior is exactly what older poeple want. Simplicity. One look at the Avalon's interior would scare anyone. This Buick is just the thing to enter middle age in understated class. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd have to disagree with your arugment there, and I wouldn't go that far to make such a bold statment. The new avalon might be built with a lot of neat stuff inside, but it might finally take off and get attentions from a whole different target group, vs the Lucerne, which is still going to attract the same crowd. By no means Toyota buyers should be worried at all, this Buick is very much underpowered, for a v8; although it is sportier than many other buicks we have seen, it's still a car, as you labeled, for "older people". Personally I wouldn't take either of the two, but if I was in the market for one, I would certainly picked the Avalon over the Lucerne. Forget the engine size and power, the styling, the features, the refinement and just the overall feel of the car make the Avalon more attractive than the Lucerne. For 30k, I would feel much better in a Avalon, among other factors I pointed out before, luxury (premium). Of course for 30k I would get a TL or a G35, but that's another story <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
02-11-2005, 11:19 AM
Yeah I disagree too.. this fails in comparison with the Avalon. Don't even bring up the V8 because it has less HP and drinks more gas than the Avalons V6. GM should have put better engines in this car... what a shame. In styling its not bad, definately an imrpovement but I wouldn't consider it any better than the Avalon at all..

JBlair
02-11-2005, 12:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah I disagree too.. this fails in comparison with the Avalon. Don't even bring up the V8 because it has less HP and drinks more gas than the Avalons V6. GM should have put better engines in this car... what a shame. In styling its not bad, definately an imrpovement but I wouldn't consider it any better than the Avalon at all..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is something to be said for the allure of saying your car has a V8 though. Comparisons for power aren't really that accurate either, because this V8 probably makes more power lower in its rev range, as well as making more torque. Each appeals to different sections of people, and the Avalon is trying to move into a different group.

LEXUS FAN!
08-01-2005, 05:00 PM
<A HREF="http://www.buick.com/lucerne" TARGET="_blank">http://www.buick.com/lucerne</A>/<p>it's nice, but for what is in the market, i have other preferences

knicks125
08-01-2005, 07:20 PM
Lexus Fan, agreed totally. With the number of choices out there in the same class, this unfortunately would be placed low on the list.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:38 AM 8/2/2005</i>

AM2
08-02-2005, 04:23 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/images/articles/102508" BORDER="0"><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>2005 TOYOTA AVALON LIMITED</B><br>ON SALE: Now<br>BASE PRICE: $34,080<br>POWERTRAIN: 3.5-liter, 280-hp, 260-lb-ft V6; fwd, five-speed automatic<br>CURB WEIGHT: 3600 lbs<br><B>0 TO 60 MPH: 6.6 seconds</B> (mfr.)<br>FUEL MILEAGE (EPA combined/AW observed): 25.3 mpg/19.6 mpg </TD></TR></TABLE><br>-edmunds<br>seems quick for a large V6 powered car...

knicks125
08-02-2005, 05:38 PM
Although this is not such a big market, as compared to midsize or compact, the competition is still tough.<p>While this car looks pretty good, both interior and exterior, there are at least three large cars I can think of right now, off the top of my head, that Buick/GM should defn. keep an eye on the competition:<p>Toyota Avalon - V6 280hp<br>Nissan Maxima - V6 265hp<br>Hyundai Azera (coming soon to NA) - V6 265hp<p>All uses V6s pumping out 265hp+<p>Buick Lucerne - V8 275hp

Bluesman
08-06-2005, 07:59 AM
I've been watching for this to be released. All the ordering codes and options for the new Buick are finally out.<p><A HREF="http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2006&regionID=1&divisionID=4" TARGET="_blank">http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASA...nID=4</A><p>Enjoy!

Bluesman
08-06-2005, 02:01 PM
Just some quick observations:<p>1) Black leather is only available on the CXS<br>What's up with that! I can get black leather on an Impala LTZ and the SS, why not the CXL Lucerne?<p>2) Stabilitrack only available on the CXS<br>Not a major problem but should be available for both the sporty CXS and CXL luxury models.<p>3) No telescopic steering column.<br>Hey, it's available on the LaCrosse..........<p>4) Tuxedo blue/shale leather<br>Hmmmmmmm????? Not sure what that is.<p>5) Black leather IS availble for all the color options with on CXS, which is unusual but welcome news.<p>My major disappointment is the black leather availability and the ever present "why the 3800 engine?".

megadethmartyr
08-07-2005, 09:56 PM
Kinda looks nose heavy. Visually it looks like it'll plow corners. Nothing coming out of Buick is going to change their current and future customers. If they build it, the blue hairs will come.

knicks125
09-22-2005, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FOR RELEASE: 2005-09-22 <p><I>CONTACTS</I><p><B>Buick Announces Pricing for All New 2006 Lucerne</B><p><B>DETROIT</B>  General Motors Buick division announced manufacturers suggest retail prices (MSRPs) today for the all-new 2006 Lucerne entry luxury sedan with base MSRPs ranging from $26,990 to $35,990. Lucerne pricing reflects GMs Total Value Promise, targets comparably-equipped import competitors, and should have a positive impact on comparison shopping, particularly on the Internet. <p>"Lucerne is Buicks most premium and elegant model, said Buick General Manager Steve Shannon. While not a replacement, Lucerne is contented and packaged to cover a price encompassing both LeSabre and Park Avenue while squarely taking on competitors. <p>With premium content, a compelling safety story  including six standard air bags, dual-stage driver air bag, segment-first dual depth front passenger air bag  and a strong value story, Lucerne is a strong proof point for Buicks Total Value Promise. <p>Standard on every Lucerne are Onstar, QuietTuning  Buicks exclusive process to eliminate unwanted cabin noise  and a four-year/50,000 mile warranty. In addition to a great line-up of standard features, Lucernes exterior styling, spacious interior and nimble ride and handling position Lucerne to win over competitive owners and Buick loyalists alike, added Shannon. <p>Lucerne will be available in four models: CX, CXL V6, CXL V8, and CXS. Each MSRP listed includes a $725 destination charge. <p><B>Buick Lucerne CX  $26,990 </B><p>The most aggressively-priced model in the lineup, Lucerne CX is powered by GMs 3800 Series III V-6. Lucerne s starting MSRP is $460 below the current LeSabre and comes with significantly more content  including an enhanced warranty, traction control and additional airbags. When adjusted for equipment, Lucerne CX is priced more than $2,200 below a comparable 2005 LeSabre. <p>For consumers who pre-shop on the Internet, Lucerne will stand out. For instance, Lucerne s starting MSRP is $5,960 below the 2006 Lexus ES. <p><B>Buick Lucerne CXL V6 $28,990</B> <p>With 17 premium painted aluminum wheels, the CXL V6 offers leather seats, a leather-wrapped steering wheel and power passenger seat. <p><B>Buick Lucerne CXL V8  $30,990 </B><p>Lucerne CXL V8 shows an unparalled value among V8 luxury cars. With an MSRP of $30,990, the Lucerne CXL V8 offers a 275 horsepower Northstar V8 that can go head to head against high end imports like the Lexus GS and Infiniti M, both with MSRPs which start above $45,000. StabiliTrak, GMs electronic stability enhancement system that helps maintain vehicle control during certain low-traction driving conditions like ice, snow, gravel, wet pavement and uneven road surfaces, is available on CXL V8 models. <p><B>Buick Lucerne CXS  $35,990 </B><p>The performance-oriented Lucerne CXS comes standard with the Northstar V8 and features 18 wheels. Lucerne CXS is the first Buick to offer Magnetic Ride Control, paired with StabiliTrak, to enhance overall ride performance. This system uses magnetically charged particles suspended in a synthetic fluid to continuously adjust the fluids viscosity to varying road surfaces and driving characteristics. The system has quicker response than conventional valve-damping systems, while providing exceptional vehicle control and increased tire contact with the road surface. <p><B>Full complement of comfort and convenience features</B> <p>Lucerne has a complete range of comfort and convenience features available befitting Buicks premium image, such as heated/cooled front seats; factory-installed remote start; Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist; rain-sensing windshield wiper system; the first heated windshield washer fluid application in its class; a nine-speaker, 280-watt Harman Kardon audio system; six-disc in-dash CD changer with MP3 capability; and DVD map navigation. More information is available at media.gm.com. <p>Production of Lucerne starts in fourth quarter 2005 at the Detroit-Hamtramack manufacturing facility. That plant placed third in North/South America in the 2005 J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study. <p>Following the Buick LaCrosse midsize sedan and Terraza crossover sport van, Lucerne is the third new vehicle in Buick's refreshed portfolio in just over 12 months.<p><I><B>CONTACT(S): </B></I><br>John Wray<br>Buick Communications<br>313.665.1478</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nodnarb
09-22-2005, 11:15 AM
While I've got to acknowledge that the engines are a bit disapointing (they should have used the supercharged 3900 and the 300HP Northstar), I still think it will be a hit, relatively speaking, given the price. And I don't think that the V8 will be as disapointing as we thought, given the recent SAE shake-up.

Dodger
09-22-2005, 01:14 PM
Why will GM not expand the use of it's 3.6L V6? If I were them I would use that as the base engine instead of the 3.8L that they throw into everything

caarmike
09-22-2005, 02:03 PM
That is some great pricing, $26,000 for this level of car is a steal. It seems like overlaps with the Lacrosse though. Did employee pricing push most of the LaCrosse line below $26K

Nodnarb
09-22-2005, 03:02 PM
Quite bluntly, yes. And with Total Value pricing for '06s, the sticker will be topping out around there now.

dukedb9
09-22-2005, 06:34 PM
Oh! Damn. I saw "Buick L...." something and thought the discussion was about the Lacrosse. It even looks the same.<p>Scary.<p>Go job. But 10 years too late.

Bern
09-23-2005, 12:43 PM
<IMG SRC="http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00187/VW-Passat_187363g.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/lucerne/images/X06BU_LU006.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/www.autobytel.com/images/carcom/06_VW_Passat/400/06_VW_Passat_exrrpass342.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

SV
09-23-2005, 12:51 PM
i think they came out too close together to consider it deliberate...but you never know...there are so many cars out today that there are bound to be some that look similar anyway, though.

Nodnarb
09-23-2005, 01:46 PM
The Buick was actually shown first. However, comparisons were made then of how the back looked like a Phaeton, which there is a similarity. But given that the Passat has been a benchmark for clean design and interior quality, it isn't a bad thing if they look similar.

Ascariss
09-23-2005, 04:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV100</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think they came out too close together to consider it deliberate...but you never know...there are so many cars out today that there are bound to be some that look similar anyway, though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yup, i don't think buick, nor vw when out of their hand to copy each other, or whatever.

FordRules
09-23-2005, 04:38 PM
Awsome,I like it. The wood is amazing. I wish they put some wood beside the Radio though.

insidertrading1
10-12-2005, 10:35 PM
A V8 with only 275HP--what a waste! However, this car is attractive--for a Buick that is....

syclone
10-13-2005, 10:14 AM
ever hear of the word "torque?"

StevenZoz
10-28-2005, 05:44 PM
2 things:<p>Lucerne became available for build and price today on buick.com<p>and does anyone know the fuel economy for the v8?<p>[edit]: nevermind i found it; 19/26

knicks125
10-29-2005, 06:31 AM
The V8 fuel economy is actually 17/25<br>The V6 is 19/28<p>Compare to some of the competitors, the fuel economy is poor. The horsepower, as others have mentioned, is low, despite the torque and the big engines.

Arturo
10-29-2005, 12:42 PM
May I give my humble opinion as a non-North America? This car looks like sh**. Don't bring it to Europe, no one wants to be seen in it dead or alive ...

FordRules
10-29-2005, 02:30 PM
I love it,Should be RWD though!

hyundai kid
11-04-2005, 08:06 PM
The Azera and Avalon are going to eat this thing for breakfast

Bluesman
11-04-2005, 08:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Arturo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">May I give my humble opinion as a non-North America? This car looks like sh**. Don't bring it to Europe, no one wants to be seen in it dead or alive ...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not to worry, we feel the same about many European cars......<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
11-04-2005, 08:41 PM
i think the rear of the lucerne looks more like the phaeton than the passat.

Nodnarb
11-08-2005, 02:37 PM
A fair, and surprisingly positive overall review from Edmunds.<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=107882" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07882</A>

SV
11-08-2005, 04:45 PM
well, the park avenue was already a good car (i know most of you hate CR, but i personally trust them, and the park avenue was outrated only by the avalon, i believe, up until it was discontinued), so the lucerne was bound to be decent, at least in my opinion. it doesn't induce the "wow" facter of the 300, or similarly with the avalon (i was blown away by it, at least =P) but overall the lucerne seems to be shaping up to be a good car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
11-08-2005, 04:51 PM
Yea but 40 Gs for a loaded CXS!?!?!?

Nodnarb
11-08-2005, 05:09 PM
Where did you get $40K? The CXS is $35,900. A comprable Lexus ES330 is $36,515. Granted the Lucerne doesn't get as good of fuel economy as the ES330, but it does have a V8. A comprable Avalon has an identical sticker to the Lucerne. The pricing for what you are getting is fair, and comprable with the rest of the class.

knicks125
11-08-2005, 06:20 PM
While few buys a car with all options, let's just try it for fun:<p>A loaded Lucerne CXS will run a little over $41.6K; while a loaded Avalon would costs $37,505<p>Source: Edmunds<p>I left out the ES because I don't think it is fair throw into the comparison but that's just me...<p>Just between the Lucerne and the Avalon, I would have to pick the Avalon, based on various categories in which the Avalon outshines. Lucerne still is a good car nonetheless.

Bluesman
11-08-2005, 06:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where did you get $40K? The CXS is $35,900. A comprable Lexus ES330 is $36,515. Granted the Lucerne doesn't get as good of fuel economy as the ES330, but it does have a V8. A comprable Avalon has an identical sticker to the Lucerne. The pricing for what you are getting is fair, and comprable with the rest of the class. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well let's see....straight from the Buick website.<p>Here's one:<br><A HREF="http://www.buick.com/ws/nvlWindowSticker.bk?makeId=004&year=2006&modelId=298&postalCode=52753&pvc=424&mmc4HE69&VIN=1G4HE57Y96U128599&brand=&commercial=&mod=&type=&style=&searchType=&size=&isbp=true&gmbpManagerName=Steve%20Daly&gmbpManagerPhoneNumber=(563)%20263-5432&gmbpManagerFaxNumber=(319)%20263-6177&originatingBrand=DIVISIONAL&vehicleModel=/images/gmbp/11004/vehicle/2006/med/298_8555.jpg&map=&driveD" TARGET="_blank">http://www.buick.com/ws/nvlWin...riveD</A>=<p>And another one:<br><A HREF="http://www.buick.com/ws/nvlWindowSticker.bk?makeId=004&year=2006&modelId=298&postalCode=52753&pvc=424&mmc4HE69&VIN=1G4HE57YX6U128563&brand=&commercial=&mod=&type=&style=&searchType=&size=&isbp=true&gmbpManagerName=John%20Fisher&gmbpManagerPhoneNumber=(630)%20969-0022&gmbpManagerFaxNumber=(630)%20969-2678&originatingBrand=DIVISIONAL&vehicleModel=/images/gmbp/11004/vehicle/2006/med/298_8555.jpg&map=&driveD" TARGET="_blank">http://www.buick.com/ws/nvlWin...riveD</A>=<p>Load one up and you easily hit $40K.....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bluesman at 6:20 PM 11/8/2005</i>

Nodnarb
11-08-2005, 07:22 PM
I'm not trying to stir up arguement, but take away the 18 inch chrome rims and engine block heater, heated washer fluid, and special paint that aren't available on the Avalon, and you're right back in the same price range. Apples to apples. For what you are getting $40,000 isn't outrageous. Plus, with GM's eternal need to rebate, you won't end up paying anywhere near that.

nismo
11-08-2005, 09:14 PM
Saw this in person and I have to say I feel it looks better in pictures than in person. Its very long and slim, looks stretched. Put this styling on a Lacrosse size car and it would look way better.