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Blackraven
02-06-2005, 10:25 PM
The car is really nice IMO and one of the best that I've seen from Nissan.<p>Combining luxury and sportiness, the Nissan Fuga has a lot to offer.<p><br>Source: response.jp<p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1014/article64592_1.images/74152.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1014/article64592_1.images/74153.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1014/article64592_1.images/74154.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1014/article64600_1.images/74173.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1014/article64543_1.images/74067.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>With a car like this, the Nissan Fuga deserves to be sold in the Asia-Pacific market. I mean just having the Teana (a.k.a. Cefiro/Maxima) for this region isn't enough.<p><br>We need more.<p><br>Anyways, here was the press release article from Nissan's global website:<p><br>Nissan Releases Fuga Luxury Sports Sedan<p>Tokyo -- Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., today announced the domestic launch of the all-new Fuga, a luxury sports sedan. <p>The Fuga has been designed to express power, solidity and luxury. The result is a new high-quality sports sedan that combines elegance with a strong, powerful stance.<p>Highlights of the New Fuga: <p> Exhilarating driving from the latest VQ engines and advanced chassis <p> Best-in-class roominess with exceptional comfort and convenience features <p> State-of-the-art safety and convenience technology, including the first application of Intelligent Cruise Control with low-speed following capability<p>Exhilarating Driving:<p>The Fuga is available with either the next-generation 3.5-liter VQ35DE V6 engine or the newly developed 2.5-liter VQ25DE V6. The VQ35DE engine provides quick throttle response and smooth, powerful acceleration, bringing a new level of driving exhilaration to the luxury segment. The VQ25DE engine delivers linear torque with outstanding responsiveness owing to its higher intake and exhaust efficiencies. <p>Built on Nissan's advanced FM (Front Mid-ship) package, the Fuga was engineered to offer both supple ride comfort and superb handling, thanks to its increased body frame rigidity, a newly developed double-wishbone front suspension and new shock absorbers. The new shock absorbers incorporate a new dual-flow-path construction, the first of its kind in the world. <p>The models large-diameter 19-inch 245/40R19 94W tires also contribute to the cars ride comfort, while its Rear Active Steering (RAS) provides quick, agile response at low- to- medium speeds on winding roads. RAS also provides high stability when changing lanes on expressways without any after-sway. <p>The Fugas electronically controlled 5-speed automatic transmission with manual shift mode incorporates a newly developed synchronized engine speed control for responsive, sporty driving performance when shifting manually. The sedan also features a newly developed adaptive shift control that improves driving comfort by automatically selecting the optimum gear when cornering or when traveling uphill or downhill.<p>Interior Comfort:<p>The Fuga is more spacious than its competitors due to its 1,880-mm effective interior length. The result is more front/rear seat headroom and more rear seat knee room/leg room.<p>For added comfort, the model has been fitted with a new mild-flow air-conditioning system. The system has a special duct on top of the dashboard, which directs a gentle airflow rearward without striking passengers directly. At the same time, air-conditioned front seats discharge warm or cool air from the seat cushion and the seat back, further enhancing the vehicles comfort.<p>Other convenient features include a personal driving position memory system and a DVD-based TV/navigation system that is compatible with Nissan's CARWINGS telematics service. <p>The personal driving position memory system recognizes the driver on the basis of his or her Intelligent Key ID and automatically adjusts the driving position to the person's preference. <p>The new navigation system offers Nissans fastest-route guidance and CARWINGS 24-hour live operator service, a service first introduced on the all-new Tiida hatchback in September, and the first of its kind in the world. The system is easier to operate thanks to the adoption of Bluetooth hands-free call functionality. (Bluetooth and the Bluetooth logo are registered trademarks of Bluetooth SIG, Inc. of the U.S.)<p>To accentuate the models comfort and luxuriousness, special attention has been paid to detail, including the use of metallic highlights on the steering, shift knob and clock. The car also features a solar eclipse gauge illumination and an engine starter that hints at the car's powerful performance.<p>In addition, the Fuga has been fitted with a 5.1 channel, 14-speaker Bose surround-sound audio system, designed exclusively for the model. <p>The Fuga is available in five different interior colors to appeal to a variety of tastes. <p>State-of-the-Art Safety and Convenience Technology:<p>The Fuga is the first Nissan model to adopt Nissans Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC) system with low-speed following capability. Unlike conventional Adaptive Cruise Control, which only allows for high-speed following mode, ICC automatically switches between high- and low-speed following modes, reducing the drivers workload even in congested traffic. The low-speed capability maintains a preset distance to the vehicle ahead in the same lane, at speeds below 40 km/h. <p>The models crystal blue projector xenon headlamps improve driver visibility at night. The lamps have a wide illumination range and feature Nissans Active Adaptive Front-lighting (AFS) System, which changes the lamps beam direction when the driver turns at intersections.<p>Standard safety equipment on all Fuga models includes front-seat Active Head Restraints, dual SRS airbag systems for the driver and front passenger, and Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC). In addition, SRS side airbag systems for the driver and front passenger and SRS curtain airbag systems are available on all models as options.<p>The model also comes with a sensor-supported Intelligent Brake Assist system to help prevent collisions. The system sounds a warning and applies the brakes when the sensor determines that a crash may occur.<p>The model also features an improved shock-absorbing body that helps mitigate pedestrian head and leg injuries in the event of an accident.<p>Environmental Performance:<p>All Fuga models are certified as ultra-low emission vehicles (U-LEVs) because they emit 50% fewer nitrogen oxide (NOx) and non-methane hydrocarbon (NMHC) emissions than the levels mandated by Japan's 2005 exhaust emission regulations. <p>Models fitted with the 2.5-liter V6 engine are certified as achieving Japan's 2010 fuel economy standards plus an additional 5%, making them eligible for tax reductions under the governments Green Tax program.<p>Origin of the Fuga Model Name:<p>The model name comes from the musical term fugue, or "fuga" in Italian, referring to a musical composition with multiple interwoven melodies.<p>Sales Target: 2,000 units/month<p>Dealers Selling the Fuga: All Nissan dealers.<p>Price Range: 3,412,500 yen  4,935,000 yen<p><br>Source:<br><A HREF="http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/STORY/0,1299,SI9-CH180-LO3-TI1183-CI885-IFY-MC109,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nissan-global.com/E....html</A>

Top Secret
02-07-2005, 12:45 AM
This is just the Infiniti M right?

Hornbag
02-07-2005, 12:50 AM
What is the size class? And how do i pronounce Fuga? Very exxy tail lamps tho!

whipster
02-07-2005, 01:33 AM
I don't think it's the best Nissan, it's nothing special IMO.<br>And whatever happens, it won't be sold in Europe (too American/Japanese styling)

Spazmatron
02-07-2005, 02:50 AM
It surely will be sold in Europe. With Infinity badge starting with 2006-2007.

Blackraven
02-07-2005, 06:06 AM
Well, I absolutely like it (for a Nissan).<p>You get:<p>-7 colors available<br>-5 different seat colors <br>-3 dashboard trims<br>-19' inch wheels/rims as standard for both XV and GT variants<br>-14-speaker BOSE sound system w/ 5.1 & all those sound-enhanching stuff<br>-4WD variants are also available<br>-CARWINGS navigation service with Bluetooth (the first service of its kind)<p><br>You do get a lot of car in it.<p><br>I really like the shape of that steering wheel with the Nissan logo attached to it (instead of an Infiniti logo) which really gives an even more luxurious yet sporty kind of feel. Aside from that, you also have an Intelligent Key for each user. This key, aside from acting as your usual "lock-unlock" device, houses seat memory functions and also automatically adjust the steering wheel column's height based on the user's settings.<p>Overall, I find the whole car nice. No ugly design flaws or even an funny-looking steering wheel (like the Chevrolet Venture which has steering wheel shaped like a bar of soap <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> ) and packs tons of features which make it a truly unique car blending luxury and sport all in one vehicle. <p><br>The Fuga has won the 2005 RJC Car of the Year Award in Japan and has already received the Japan Good Design Award for 2004-2005.<p>And yes, this is a.k.a. the Infiniti M35/M45 in the American continent.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Blackraven at 9:26 PM 2/7/2005</i>

Laguna
02-09-2005, 08:02 AM
FUGA!?!?!?!. What kind of name for a car is that?. Joking. Very nice though. 4WD!?!?!?! Wow.

Santeno
02-09-2005, 11:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Laguna</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FUGA!?!?!?!. What kind of name for a car is that?.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Don't know what it means in Japanese, but in Spanish, the word fuga means escape, as in to run away. Kind of appropriate for a high end sports sedan if you ask me.

Blackraven
02-10-2005, 07:54 AM
350 GT-FOUR and 350 XV-FOUR models are the 4WD models for the Fuga.<p>and<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Don't know what it means in Japanese, but in Spanish, the word fuga means escape, as in to run away. Kind of appropriate for a high end sports sedan if you ask me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually (from the press article on my first post),<p>"Origin of the Fuga Model Name:<p>The model name comes from the musical term fugue, or "fuga" in Italian, referring to a musical composition with multiple interwoven melodies."<p>

Laguna
02-11-2005, 07:39 AM
Thanks for telling me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Blackraven
02-20-2005, 06:17 AM
Some added info. <p>The 4.5 V8 variant will be released sometime this year (possibly 2nd quarter of 2005).<p>

Tidal
02-20-2005, 07:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Spazmatron</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It surely will be sold in Europe. With Infinity badge starting with 2006-2007.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In Russia it will, but in the rest of Europe we will have to wait until 08 or 09, when they get the v6 diesel working. Which is a shame, this car looks great, and that interior is amazing. Imo the fact that it does have a strong non-european personality is what makes it work.

Blackraven
02-21-2005, 05:15 AM
Will this new V6 diesel be developed in partnership with Renault like what they did with the new HR15DE and MR20DE engines?

Tidal
02-21-2005, 08:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will this new V6 diesel be developed in partnership with Renault like what they did with the new HR15DE and MR20DE engines?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes. Renault will use them in the next gen Laguna, the Espace and the new upscale suv their planning to release, Nissan will get it for the Murano and Infiniti for where ever they want to put it in. I don't know if this was engineered keeping a diesel engine in mind, but the next gen G-cars and FX suv's should be.<br>

Laguna
02-21-2005, 08:46 AM
Really???? Where did you get this info from?????

spwolf
02-21-2005, 04:55 PM
FUGA/M looks really nice, except at the back... those lights are way too big, remind me of some old Mitsu's...

Laguna
02-22-2005, 09:25 AM
Oh no. Why do they do that??????????????????????? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
02-22-2005, 09:47 AM
I just can't help but hate this car. There are a few things I would like to list... What is with that line thats supposed to divide upper and lower part of the car? -It's really sharp strting out at trrhe taillight, then smoothens out and is completely gone by the front door. Then it reappears again on the front bumper. <br>It's also tall like the G35 sedan, which I actually like but this is also really heavy looking. <br>Eccessive chromein the interior... surrounding wood too much- it makes it look like they couldn't manage to make a small spacing between the dash material and the wood, so they had to insert chrome inbetween, eventhough that might not be true. <br>Next to the M and the GS, the A6 and 5er are like freakin' dancers IMHO. <br>Props for making their own C-pillar design evnthough I don't like the way itlooks either.

knicks125
02-22-2005, 10:43 AM
although I have competely opposite views/opinions than what you just offered, I do respect your opinions, even when most of what you said are wrong and are just ignorant opinions.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Next to the M and the GS, the A6 and 5er are like freakin' dancers IMHO.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>and how do you make that happen? what are your basis?

carmaniac
02-22-2005, 12:07 PM
Well I test drove the M35x and the M45 Sport yesterday and I must say it's an extremely nice vehicle. For the price it's blows the competition out of the water, at less the $50k USD for the M45 Sport, BMW, Mercedes, Audi or even Lexus can't even come close. <p>But even if you put the price aside, this car has everything it needs and more to compete in this segment. While the handling may not be as good as the class leading 5-series, it's very close. The interior is up to par with Audi, the engine is smoother than the E-class, it's technological features matches that of the new Lexus GS. It may not excel in any one field, but does place all the good atributes of the competitors in a great package that costs less.<p>It's also no glorified G35 Sedan either, the M has it's own character. Its suspension is sporty, but not too hard. The ride is excellent. Even the AWD M35x handles very well despite the higher ground clearance.<p>Downsides:<p>-The Infiniti Control (ie iDrive), takes a bit of getting used to, altho there are redundant controls as well.<p>- It only comes in an automatic transmission. But I found the tranny shifts quickly, and in the Sport versions it does not shift at redline for you, it just bonuces off the rev-limiter.<p>- The Bose Sound system is not as good as some I've heard, although it is packed with a lot of features like Centerpoint and Surround Sound. Maybe DVD-Audio would sound better on this system.<p>- The suspension has a bit of squat under hard acceleration, but it translates into a very smooth ride even on the Detroit roads here.<p>Overall I think it's an excellent car and I would gladly buy it over the competition!

knicks125
02-22-2005, 12:16 PM
Now that I agree...well said. I would take a M over its German competitors any day. As I said in another thread, it's not what brand the car is, it's not what the badge shows in the front grille, and it's not what price you pay for the car, it's the overall factors, and the M, as well as other Asian cars put their competitors in the dust (or blows them out of the water <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
02-22-2005, 12:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">although I have competely opposite views/opinions than what you just offered, I do respect your opinions, even when most of what you said are wrong and are just ignorant opinions.<p>and how do you make that happen? what are your basis?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>They just aren't so fat as this motherFUGA! I was only talking about the look and have not driven the car. The trunk on the GS is only like 6 inches long, and it looks ok, but I personally don't like it that way...<br>Dancers are elegant, not phat. Get it?

Flagship
02-22-2005, 02:01 PM
I personally love this car, its about time the Japanese made the new GS and M. Some people want to be different from everyone else and that what this car is all about. People now have the chance to go Infiniti/Lexus instead of Mercedes/BMW and see how good the Japanese really are.<p>However the one huge bad thing about the Infinity M35/45 is the resale value. In N.Y used Infinities are cheap. For example one Infiniti dealer was selling a 2002 Infiniti Q45 with 30,000 miles on it for only $30k. The 2004 used FXs go for around 30k and the 2004 G35s go for 25k <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

carmaniac
02-22-2005, 02:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>They just aren't so fat as this motherFUGA! I was only talking about the look and have not driven the car. The trunk on the GS is only like 6 inches long, and it looks ok, but I personally don't like it that way...<br>Dancers are elegant, not phat. Get it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>when you look at the Fuga/M in real life it actually looks smaller than most of its competitors. The Audi A6, Merc E-class and Lexus GS all look "fatter" than the M. In fact, the GS's rear 3/4 view looks massive compared to the M.

knicks125
02-23-2005, 06:12 AM
carmaniac is correct, M is not "phat" (BTW, RS, do you know what phat means?)<p>Flagship GT, the resale value on infinitis are actually pretty good, i think...consider that the 1st yr depreciation is always the largest <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-23-2005, 08:33 AM
actually, Fuga/M is actually some 100lbs heavier than competition :-)...so it is...

RS
02-23-2005, 08:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carmaniac</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>when you look at the Fuga/M in real life it actually looks smaller than most of its competitors. The Audi A6, Merc E-class and Lexus GS all look "fatter" than the M. In fact, the GS's rear 3/4 view looks massive compared to the M.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>No way the A6 looks fatter than any of its competitors. Believe me, it can be measured. I agree with the GS looking massive, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> did I say any different? But still the GS is a really good looking car, just not my personal taste. I did not say anything about size. <br>knicks125, this is the second time you correct my grammar even though you know what I meant. You wanna tell me the meaning of that word in the 3 other languages that you fluently speak?

knicks125
02-23-2005, 09:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">knicks125, this is the second time you correct my grammar even though you know what I meant. You wanna tell me the meaning of that word in the 3 other languages that you fluently speak?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I had a good clue what you meant but not really so I just asked for some clarification...no need to be fiesty about it...actually i do speak 3 other lanuages, funny you should mention <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW...this whole argument started b/c you made a judgment (serveral) that weren't entirely correct, please true up before you make the car sound like it's terrible in every other way

Santeno
02-23-2005, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They just aren't so fat as this motherFUGA! I was only talking about the look and have not driven the car. The trunk on the GS is only like 6 inches long, and it looks ok, but I personally don't like it that way...<br>Dancers are elegant, not phat. Get it?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I have actually seen the New GS and the Infiniti M45 practically side by side, and the GS is definitely the more substantial looking car.

Andre
02-23-2005, 07:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I personally love this car, its about time the Japanese made the new GS and M. Some people want to be different from everyone else and that what this car is all about. People now have the chance to go Infiniti/Lexus instead of Mercedes/BMW and see how good the Japanese really are.<p>However the one huge bad thing about the Infinity M35/45 is the resale value. In N.Y used Infinities are cheap. For example one Infiniti dealer was selling a 2002 Infiniti Q45 with 30,000 miles on it for only $30k. The 2004 used FXs go for around 30k and the 2004 G35s go for 25k <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That sounds about right really... G35s start new around 31k, considering most cars suffer a 10% drop in value when you first drive it off the lot, and about $1500 a year after that until it is (or would be in a normal circumstance) paid off. Considering a 2004 G35 is a year and a half old...<p>1500 x 1.5 = 2250<p>31,000 x 0.1 = 3100<p>3100 + 2250 = 5350<p>31,000 - 5350 = $25,650 for an "average" 2004 G35<p>---------------------------------<p>Now, the 2002 Q45 started at about $52,000. It was not a popular model, so double the depreciation rate, they want to move those suckers<p>a 2002 is 3.5 years...<p>$52,000 x 0.1 = $5200<p>$1,500 x 3.5 = $5,250 <p>5200 + 5250 = 10,450 x 2 = $20,900<p>$52,000 - $20,900<p>$31,100 for an "Average" 2002 Infiniti Q45<p>------------------------------------------<p>*Average would be 10,000 miles a year, minor paint blemishes (wear and tear), no accidents, a clean and well kept (though not necessarily showroom quality) interior<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 7:25 PM 2/23/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
02-23-2005, 07:44 PM
the GS's interior looks like a corolla compared to the M45

Blackraven
02-24-2005, 05:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the GS's interior looks like a corolla compared to the M45 </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your right about that. I think the Lexus GS is focused more on features rather than the design of its interior. <p><br>As of the moment, I would only consider GS 350 and GS 430 (to be sold in Japan starting August this year). By that time, the 4.5 engine would be available in the Nissan FUGA so that the competition will be as close as ever.<p><br>Ain't going for a 300 anyways.

Santeno
02-24-2005, 10:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the GS's interior looks like a corolla compared to the M45 </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Don't let appearances fool you naga, pictures can be misleading. In the flesh the M45's interior actually feels a bit more plasticky and sparse than the GS'. from a styling point of view, the M45 is far more original and attractive though. The Lexus' interior might have a more generic design but it is actually much better executed and a far richer place to be in than the nissan's. IMO it is comparable, and in some cases superior, to anything comming out of germany these days (and in many ways superior to even the LS' interior - not the SC though). As I've said before I have seen both vehicles in the flesh, so my opinions are from personal experience.

Naga Royal Guard
02-24-2005, 10:22 AM
yeh, i just dont get how the GS's dashboard which is entirely plastic can match the infiniti's which has large plates of wood; but ive yet to see either car so i just might have to take your word on it :)

Santeno
02-24-2005, 10:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeh, i just dont get how the GS's dashboard which is entirely plastic can match the infiniti's which has large plates of wood; but ive yet to see either car so i just might have to take your word on it :)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It might be plastic, but like in Audi interiors, it's really, REALLY, nice plastic.

RS
02-24-2005, 01:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <br>BTW...this whole argument started b/c you made a judgment (serveral) that weren't entirely correct, please true up before you make the car sound like it's terrible in every other way</TD></TR></TABLE><br>ok, I realize I haven't listed any of positive sides of the car in my "review", like the wood and. But that is because I said that I would like to list the particluar reasons why I don't like it. Anyway, I will stick to my opinions. I also want to see it moving to have a better look at the line that's supposed to divide upper and lower part of the body because that and the C-pillar just don't seem to "flow".<br>

carmaniac
02-24-2005, 01:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Don't let appearances fool you naga, pictures can be misleading. In the flesh the M45's interior actually feels a bit more plasticky and sparse than the GS'. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to disagee with that. The M Sport versions that have Aluminium trim do feel a bit "sparse" and cold, but the ones with the wood trim feel much warmer and less "plasticky" compared to the new GS. The use of glossy wood in the GS may add to that.<p>But overall I like the M's interior much better than the GS.

carmaniac
02-24-2005, 01:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>No way the A6 looks fatter than any of its competitors. Believe me, it can be measured. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The A6 can easily be mistaken for an A8...Although the dimensions may indicate differently, the squareness of the A6 compared to its competitors contributes to the illusion.

RS
02-24-2005, 02:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carmaniac</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The A6 can easily be mistaken for an A8...Although the dimensions may indicate differently, the squareness of the A6 compared to its competitors contributes to the illusion.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>someone has said a short while ago on this forum: "is it me or is the A6 really round?". A lot of ppl agreed and you don't know what you're talking about. Have you seen them stand next to one another? The A6 is like a curvy trapezoid next to a square(A8).<br>"squareness"? The A6's roof for example, is like a dome. <br>I'm sorry for you that your perception on car design is so shallow and I don't know where you got the idea that the A6 is square except by looking at headlights and taillights which is not enough to judge/describe a whole car.<br>Sorry I repled in this manner, but it got me really pissed off, even though I try to ignore comments that appear ignorant to me.<p>edit: the A6 looks more like a '97-'99 Chrysler Sebring than the A8, in my opinion.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RS at 11:52 PM 2/24/2005</i>