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Ascariss
01-26-2005, 06:19 PM
Here are the first pics from autotelegraf.nl crappy quality as always.<p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//bmw7eroff01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//bmw7eroff02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>SOURCE: <A HREF="http://autotelegraaf.nl" TARGET="_blank">http://autotelegraaf.nl</A><p>some quick info:<br>730i:  86.900,-, 730Li:  91.900,- <p>740i:  94.100,-, 740Li:  99.100,- <p>750i:  103.100,-, 750Li:  108.100,- <p>760i:  161.600,-, 760Li:  168.900,- <p>730d:  87.500,- <p>745d:  109.500,- <br>Engines<p>730i: 2.996 cc, L6, 258 pk/300 Nm, 244 km/h, 0-100 km/h 7,8 sec. <p>740i: 4.000 cc, V8, 306 pk/390 Nm, 250 km/h, 0-100 km/h 6,8 sec. <p>750i: 4.799 cc, V8, 367 pk/490 Nm, 250 km/h, 0-100 km/h 5,9 sec. <p>760i: 5.972 cc,V12, 445 pk/600 Nm, 250 km/h, 0-100 km/h 5,5 sec. <p>730d: 2.993 cc, L6, 231pk/520 Nm, 238 km/h, 0-100 km/h 7,8 sec. <p>745d: 4.423 cc, V8, 300 pk/700 Nm, 250 km/h, 0-100 km/h 6,8 sec. <p>

Gian86
01-26-2005, 06:25 PM
well, i'm very sure this car's front end will look better but the back end will look more ugly than last one. I hope very soon some websites will fix those pictures up big time.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 11:37 AM 1/27/2005</i>

zwei Biere bitte
01-26-2005, 06:27 PM
The facelift looks... interesting. The front though looks like they designed it in one day, just kinda a quick fix. The back though seems a tad bit better. I'm looking forward to the high res shots as well as some interior pics... Hopefully they removed iDrive. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
01-26-2005, 06:28 PM
the front looks better, but if they kept the old lower air intake it would have looked better. the rear looks horrible from what i can see, can't wait for more official pictures.

Ascariss
01-26-2005, 06:43 PM
<A HREF="http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/products/highlights/7series/sedan/phase_1/main.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmw.com/generic/com...n.htm</A> <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
01-26-2005, 06:49 PM
looks more muscular in that short vid clip

Ascariss
01-26-2005, 06:50 PM
It does look better in the video, one more pic:<p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//bmw7eroff03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/_teaserpool/big/products/highlights_7series_sedan.jpg" BORDER="0">

The Water Is Poison
01-26-2005, 07:09 PM
wheres the video?<br>

RS
01-26-2005, 07:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>...DamagedProphet...</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wheres the video?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Here:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><A HREF="http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/products/highlights/7series/sedan/phase_1/main.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmw.com/generic/com...n.htm</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 08:30 PM
Awd is expected across the range

Charger
01-26-2005, 08:34 PM
Wow, Im actually impressed. This is a huge improvement over the previous model.

Kakairo
01-26-2005, 09:05 PM
So...why didn't it looks like this in the first place?

piokor
01-26-2005, 10:27 PM
Oh, wow, this is a great improvement, but I was one of those people that actually liked the pre-facelift. Any word on an improved iDrive system?

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 10:45 PM
yes, iDrive will be reprogrammed to dominate everything, according to some stuff someone posted earlier

Naga Royal Guard
01-26-2005, 10:55 PM
<IMG SRC="http://bmwtoyoko-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/images/photo/e39/e39m5y3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>quite a bit of resemblence for the lower bumper

Reppu
01-27-2005, 12:03 AM
I like it more than the pre-facelift. However i was expecting a sleeker front. I should have known that was not going to happen. The good thing is that it preserves the original theme without being the extreme design it was before.

Hornbag
01-27-2005, 12:28 AM
From what i can see i think it looks betta than the first. I love it, great job BMW. The front looks cleaner, and i just love the rear end, very tough yet luxurious lookin......i will have 2 thanks!

ll0ll
01-27-2005, 12:48 AM
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donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:06 AM
More pics<p><IMG SRC="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/200501270842437_new_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/01.jpg" BORDER="0">

donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:09 AM
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donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:10 AM
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donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:14 AM
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bm88
01-27-2005, 01:18 AM
I was really wanting to hate this facelift, but I do actually like it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It actually works really well, and does fit in a lot better with the rest of the BMW range now IMO.

donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:21 AM
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donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:23 AM
As you can see here Shadowline looses the rear chrome strip<br><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/20.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/17.jpg" BORDER="0">

donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 01:25 AM
The 2005 BMW 7 Series features a new look and an updated engine range. It will be officially launched at the Geneva Motor Show in March. <p>The bonnet, kidney grille, the headlights and the front air dam have all been revised and at the rear there is a new chrome trim strip, modified tail lights and the re-designed rear air dam. <p>The chassis and suspension of the BMW 7 Series has also been updated. <p>Furthermore customers will be able to choose from one standard suspension set-up and two suspension packages with different qualities and features. <p>The high-end Adaptive Drive suspension now combines Dynamic Drive with BMW's EDC-C continuously adjustable damper control system There is also the option of a Sports Package which combines the sports set-up of the suspension with Dynamic Drive. <p>Furthermore BMW has also refined the iDrive control system in an effort to make it more user-friendly. It features an optimised menu guidance, upgraded presentation of menus and direct access to the various entertainment functions. <p>Other new features include:<p><br>Xenon headlights and a headlight cleaning system now standard <br>White direction indicators are now also standard. <br>All BMW 7 Series now feature BMW's two-stage Brake Force Display. <br>The optional CD changer also comes with MP3 technology. <br>The BMW Assist telematics service as well as the BMW Online internet portal. <br>With the exception of the top-of-the-range V12 power unit in the BMW 760i, the BMW 7 Series features a largely new range of power units <p>Looking first at the models with an eight-cylinder petrol engine, the BMW 750i and the BMW 740i are replacing the former BMW 745i and BMW 735i. <p>The BMW 740d (not available in South Africa) is making way for the BMW 745d with its all-new eight-cylinder diesel engine, and the straight-six diesel power unit of the BMW 730d has been fundamentally revised and updated. <p>The entry-level BMW 730i (also not available locally), finally, now comes with the straight-six petrol engine featuring a composite magnesium/aluminium crankcase carried over from the BMW 630i. <p>Six-speed automatic transmission with Steptronic is standard on all models. <p>750i (replacing 745i): <p>V8 petrol engine with VALVETRONIC and double-VANOS. <br>4 799 cc <br>270?kW at 6 300 r/min <br>490?Nm at 3 400 r/min <br>0-100?km/h in 5.9 seconds <br>Top speed 250 km/h. <br>740i (replacing 735i): <p>V8 petrol engine with VALVETRONIC and double-VANOS. <br>4 000 cc <br>225?kW at 6 300 r/min <br>390?Nm at 3 500 r/min <br>0?100?km/h in 6.8 seconds <br>Top speed 250 km/h <br>745d (replacing 740d): <p>V8 diesel engine <br>4 423 cc <br>220?kW at 4 000 r/min <br>700?Nm from 1 750 - 2 500 r/min <br>0?100?km/h in 6.8 seconds <br>Top speed 250 km/h <br>730d: <p>Straight-six diesel engine <br>2 993 cc <br>170?kW at 4 000 r/min <br>520?Nm from 2 000 - 2 750 r/min <br>0?100?km/h in 7.8 seconds <br>Top speed 238 km/h <br>730i: <p>New straight-six petrol engine <br>2 996?cc <br>190?kW at 6 600 r/min <br>300?Nm from 2 500 - 4 000 r/min <br>0-100?km/h in 7.8 seconds <br>Top speed 244 km/h <br>760i: <p>V12 with VALVETRONIC, double-VANOS and direct petrol injection <br>5 972?cc <br>327?kW at 6 000 r/min <br>600?Nm at 3 950 r/min <br>0-100?km/h in 5.5 seconds <br>Top speed 250 km/h

Chickpig
01-27-2005, 01:43 AM
<IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/04.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/07.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/11.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/14.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/21.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>hmm somehow this design seems to be aging very quickly already. The side profile doesn't like as nice as the pre facelift version. What's up with the new steering wheel, weird shape. but the interior still looks very high in quality. Front deisgn is ok but the bumper design is a bit too chunky for a high-end luxury car. Rear lights still not my taste.

Gian86
01-27-2005, 01:57 AM
More pics<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/9013.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/9014.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/9015.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/9016.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/9017.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/9020.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6877410.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6877411.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autoweek.nl<p>As i first saw the facelift 7-Series in better quality. I start to like it as the last 7-series sold now.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 8:26 PM 1/27/2005</i>

bm88
01-27-2005, 01:57 AM
I have to agree about the steering wheel.<p>Think I have seen it on a pre-facelift version, but I believe it was part of a sports package or something.

donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 02:16 AM
The steering wheel is just the pre-facelift "Sport" steering wheel

T.B.
01-27-2005, 03:20 AM
Look, they have added buttons for AM/FM and MODE (radio, CD, MP3, etc) on a dash for a direct access to these functions. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/27.jpg" BORDER="0">

The Water Is Poison
01-27-2005, 03:36 AM
This looks awesome. Is it just me or does the profile of the car remind you of the 5er

Reppu
01-27-2005, 03:50 AM
The new steering wheel might look weird, but not more than the 'four arms' one of the current model. <p>The interior somehow shows that the original premise of the i-Drive was wrong: keep the dashboard clean from buttons. However, it's a cool system, a great show-off and useful for those hidden functions you don't need to adjust when driving.<p>The back, i love it, that's all i can say. The front......still don't know, i think i will never make up my mind about that. Better than the previous one though.

donnaleeao
01-27-2005, 04:02 AM
As I said the steering wheel isnt new, its the old SPORT steering wheel<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by donnaleeao at 11:49 PM 1/27/2005</i>

Gio
01-27-2005, 04:43 AM
It's definitely better, but that boot still looks lopped on with no thought at all...<p>Still, I'm no longer ashamed to be a big Beemer fan.<br>Thanks Bangle or von Hooydonk, or whoever did this

Chickpig
01-27-2005, 05:31 AM
High reso:<br> <IMG SRC="http://img164.exs.cx/img164/2184/7serie0lw.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://img164.exs.cx/img164/7932/7serie18am.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: gcf forums

spwolf
01-27-2005, 06:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look, they have added buttons for AM/FM and MODE (radio, CD, MP3, etc) on a dash for a direct access to these functions. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/BMW/7Series2005/images/27.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks better! I bet next revision will have few more audio buttons as well :-).<p>I think it looks considerably better than before - in fact, exterior looks much, much better for me. More like BMW!

Omar
01-27-2005, 07:20 AM
Cool. BMW's are back to being beautiful <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-27-2005, 07:21 AM
The rear is nice, but somehow it starts to lose its presence from the previous model. The front is hideous and doesn't help the looks. Tbe front I can say has lost its presence and looks sissy like. The grill is not bad, but the lights ruin the entire story and as does the lower bumper. It looks cheaper than the 1er's bumper. lol Oi BMW what did you do. <p>Wonder if Bangle or Hooydonk was responsible for this, if they were, lol morons.<p>Pre-facelifted for me. The only thing that will drive sales is the new engines, especially the diesels. I don't think they made the I-drive easier to use.

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2005, 07:43 AM
the front looks like a jack-o-lantern<p>they have been testing this for quite a while now, any sign of Awd?

Chickpig
01-27-2005, 07:50 AM
Facelift and new engines for BMW 7er: Seven UP<br>On 9 April the introduction on the market of the modified 7er-Reihe begins. The changes at the BMW flagship concern not only the body Design, but also equipment, operation, engines and chassis tuning.<p><br>Scarcely three and a half year after the sales start the 7er-Reihe is all around refurbished. Because not least the new AUDI 8, in addition, the new edition Mercedes s-class announced for autumn of this yearly exert pressure on residents of Munich the Topmodell.<p>Outward recognition characteristics of the gelifteten 7ers are beside that power cathedrals in the hood and the white turn signals the stylistic retouchings at kidney, headlights and front apron. More strongly outlined surfaces with new chrome border, changed tail lamps and modified apron coin/shape the tail.<p>The interior is to shine with materials with high order. The i-drive-Bedienkonzept was deslagged as well as improved in the menu guidance and the screen representation.<p>In addition the 7er offers extended equipment now. Xenon light, two-stage brake lights and headlight washer are with all models standard. Adaptive curve light gives it optionally. The when desired available CD change-over switch is now also MP3-faehig. Beyond that are a digital TV receiver, four new outside -, three new pad colors as well as two newly 18-Zoll and a new 19-Zoll-Felge as special equipment available.<br>Up to the V12 a completely new engine program<br>Still there are more innovations within the drive range (see also table). With exception of the V12-Motors in the 760i/Li (445 HP, 600 Nm) all engines are modified or completely new.<p>With the eight-cylinder versions the models replace 750i/Li (4.8 litres, 360 HP, 490 Nm) and 740i/Li (4.0 litres, 306 HP, 390 Nm) to the 745 i/Li (4.4 litres, 333 HP, 450 Nm) and the 735 i/Li (3.6 litres, 272 HP, 360 Nm).<p>The past 740d (3.9 litres, 258 HP, 600 Nm) is replaced from the new 745d (4.4 Liter-Vollaluminium-V8, 300 HP, 700 Nm) with particle filter and Piezo Einspritztechnik.<p>With the six-cylinders it brings the 730d with three litres capacity now on 231 HP (before 218 HP) and 520 Nm (500 Nm) torque. Also this turbo-Diesel is equipped with Piezo injection and particle filter and fulfilled like the V8-Turbodiesel now the EU4-Abgasnorm (before EU3).<p>New basis six cylinder Benziner is the 730i/Li from the 6er in magnesium aluminium building method with three litres capacity, 258 HP (predecessor 231 HP) and 300 Nm torque.<p>Depending upon Motorsierung all new 7er is equipped with more efficient brakes. In addition the rear trace was widened by 14 millimeters. BMW cuts the uncontrolled growth with the chassis options by reduction of the options on three variants ex factory: Series chassis, Highend chassis (adaptive drive) and sport chassis.<p>The prices for starting from March the orderable new 7er are enough from 61.500 euro (730d) to 117,300 euro (760 left). Equipment-settled they remain constantly.<br>source: automotorundsport

Chickpig
01-27-2005, 07:53 AM
27.01.2005 - Munich still applies the black-and-white principle: Either the large flagship from Bavaria pleases, or it does not please. After the Facelift in April 2005 this decision might fall more with difficulty. Nevertheless: The 7er keeps further its independent character, its "unmistakable operational readiness level", how BMW calls the provokante exterior. The substantial innovations after the beauty OI: The hood gets salient of power cathedral, kidney, headlight and front apron was easily revised. At the tail fall the new chrome border, changed rear lights and the modified apron in the eye. All in all the Bavarian works now less klobig, makes however further a muskuloesen impression.<p>So much to the new optics. Many more new is it shown under the hood: With exception of the twelve-cylinder all aggregates are completely new. The "core engines", thus the eight-cylinders (73/74), with which world-wide over 60 per cent of all 7er are ordered, make place for the new 740i/750i-Motoren with 306 and/or 367 HP. Thus the achievement, consumption rises however remains nearly constant, promises BMW with the entrance model 730i comes the Reihensechser with 258 HP, well-known from the 6er (630i), to the employment, with the self fuzes makes in the future the old 740d place for the 745d (300 HP), and which became six cylinder Diesel of the 730d revised (now 231 HP).<p>Also the chassis was developed further: The rear trace is broader 14 millimeters, in addition three options are available. Beside the new series chassis there is adaptive drive "against surcharge", which suppress a wanken in curves nearly completely as well as is to improve the self-guidance behavior. The sport package as the third option sets clearly on driving dynamics. Also to disputed iDrive tinkered engineers: Owing to an optimized menu guidance the a button operation for all important cockpit functions is in the future more user friendly - and is thereby hopefully also without EDP knowledge to be programmed<p>Start of the revised 7er is on 9 April 2005. Standard are then xenon light and headlight washer on board, in addition there is white turn signals and the two-stage stop light. Four new outside -, three fresh pad colors, two 18-Zoll and a 19-Zoll-Felge stand additionally on the price list. The prices begin the Topmodell 760i with 61.500 euro for the 730d (so far 59,500 euro), cost further 111,900 euro<p>source: autobild

ll0ll
01-27-2005, 08:39 AM
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JBlair
01-27-2005, 09:14 AM
Is the actual trunklid shape different? It looks like they remolded it to make it more like the 6er's.

ll0ll
01-27-2005, 11:39 AM
I think the shape has been slightly changed.<p>old:<br><A HREF="http://img186.exs.cx/img186/5994/bmw-back-2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img186.exs.cx/img186/5994/bmw-back-2.jpg</A><p>new:<br><A HREF="http://img186.exs.cx/img186/6238/bmw-back-1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img186.exs.cx/img186/6238/bmw-back-1.jpg</A>

Krypton
01-27-2005, 11:44 AM
the only part i didnt like about the old one was the front, the car looked like it was high but now they fixed it, i like the whole thing. Good Job BMW

AM2K
01-27-2005, 12:39 PM
I'm definately liking this new facelift... the main concern for me always was the front lights and rear lights, and these have been changed for the better... especially the near rear light design which looks nice. Better than looking like an added on aftermarket rear strip!

Santeno
01-27-2005, 01:16 PM
I'm sorry but I just can't get excited over this. I can't believe that soooo much hype was being generated by this facelift. It's basically the same thing (styling wise) only a little more dumbed down so as not to be too offensive. The sad part is thatto me, it looks more like a Pontiac Bonneville than ever. BMW, I love your engineers, but your designers need to go back to Wal-Mart.

LEXUS FAN!
01-27-2005, 02:28 PM
how come these changes were not in the spy shots?

knihc2008
01-27-2005, 03:04 PM
hmm, i can breathe now. the 7er has gone from being ugly to bland. at least it's not ugly, right?<p>hooray for more buttons on the dashboard, which seem like a correcting fix for the complexity of idrive.

T.B.
01-27-2005, 03:30 PM
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1966_GTO_
01-27-2005, 03:44 PM
I like it but those taillamps are not doin' it for me. I am glad they kept it clean and classy and I love everything but that rear...

Nuvolari
01-27-2005, 03:47 PM
Am i the only one who says: The 'new' 7series looks really ugly <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> . It looks swollen and has this gaping wide open 'eyes' / headlights i don't like at the 1series, too. The front has absolutely no contour, it's much too rounded and looks outdated by now. Where are the sharp lines the 5series or the new 3series have on their fronts?<br>I began to like the 'old' version, especially the rear. The new one looks very boring, this rearlights don't fit to the very sculptural form.<br>It looks as if BMW regrets the step forward they took with the new design direction and now they row backwards very fast...<p><br>BTW: Is it so hard to indicate the source of pictures, articles... ?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Nuvolari at 3:02 PM 1/27/2005</i>

RS
01-27-2005, 03:54 PM
I didn't like the old one's head lights coz they reminded me of Frankenstein's monster and the rear trunk was just too bulky.<br>I liked the front bumper of the old one though...<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RS at 5:13 PM 1/27/2005</i>

zwei Biere bitte
01-27-2005, 04:06 PM
They were. Huckfeldt got the rear lights right (So did Ascariss), and I believe there were a few other CGIs that matched. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, does this iDrive version 8 way direction? It looks like that in the interior picture, and I thought BMW had made the move to only 4 direction iDrive knob...

VexedandGlorious
01-27-2005, 05:28 PM
Looks sportier.<p>nice i love it

Flagship
01-27-2005, 06:02 PM
This redesign is a huge improvement, I really like it. However this will never measure up to the pre-2001 BMW 7 series (*sob*). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

hakkinen
01-27-2005, 07:19 PM
It is just a step backwards. I totally agree with Santeno and Ascariss.<p>@ndreas

lawandorder360
01-27-2005, 07:44 PM
I just have to say...those wheels on that black 7er are ABSOLUTELY<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

Designo
01-27-2005, 07:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nuvolari</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>BTW: Is it so hard to indicate the source of pictures, articles... ?<p><br><i>Modified by Nuvolari at 3:02 PM 1/27/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> Is it illegal not to???

Designo
01-27-2005, 07:51 PM
My main problem with this refresh is that it now seems like a modern (side profile) car that's now been mixed with really outdated headlights (so generic...) and odd tailights (IMO the rear looks REALLY wierd...) <p>I mean, the car looks fine (maybe not as aggresive/unoque as before), but it no longer looks as special on the road as it used to be (can't believe some change in the rear can make such a difference). I was more-or-less expecting sharper lines (like the rest of the BMW fleet, esp. the 6-Series, considering it's the 7's "sister"...) <p>Oh well...

turbonium959
01-27-2005, 08:08 PM
I cannot believe it took BMW this long to get a simple facelift! Headlights do have a better shape, and the front end does look more proportional. However, the front end still looks bulby, and not that big of a deal. Shame.

Roadster44
01-27-2005, 08:15 PM
I tried to like this car, I really did! But they managed to make it worse! The rear end makes no sense because those taillights have no proportions or any connection with rest of the car. At the front I do like the the new kindey grill which has more presense, but its all ruined by those headlights. It seems to me that designers wanted to do something different, but had no idea exactly what. So in the end we get this mix of Japanese style headlamps and a flavor of Pontiac Aztek. Yuck!

gkracer98
01-27-2005, 08:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lawandorder360</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just have to say...those wheels on that black 7er are ABSOLUTELY<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i'll drink to that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> ...every rim they have in the different pics look terrible. in fact, after the 745i came out in 02..they didnt have too many nice wheels. the nicest rims were from the 760Li IMO.

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2005, 08:38 PM
whats funny is BMW has a TON of rim offerings, but only the old 7er had the ultimate " M - Parallel" rim package which owned everything on the road

IcedG35
01-27-2005, 09:00 PM
BMW might as well bow down to the new S class. This car is a f*ckin mess.

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2005, 10:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW might as well bow down to the new S class. This car is a f*ckin mess.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>very well said, and everything will bow to the S class, its gonna be nin inch nails in the BMW coffin <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

ll0ll
01-28-2005, 02:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>turbonium959</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I cannot believe it took BMW this long to get a simple facelift! Headlights do have a better shape, and the front end does look more proportional. However, the front end still looks bulby, and not that big of a deal. Shame.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do you mean? As if bmw took all that time just for the exterior? You didnt read about the other modifications?

RikfromBelgium
01-28-2005, 05:40 AM
Funny how it's mostly guys with MB or something simular in their name, or well known BMW " dislikers " that are immediatly saying this car is a mess. You'll see, once on the road this car will. I have to say, the front was a little getting used to, even for me. It was different from what I was expecting. But after looking at some better pictures I find this car isn't better than the old 7 series. For me that is, but for the bigger public, this car will be an improvement. It will be accepted much quicker, and I think that was the goal for this facelift. <br>That and that amazing engine line-up will make this car an even bigger succes then the pre-facelift model.

Cozz
01-28-2005, 06:05 AM
The front is actually nicer, still a disaster, but nicer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I think this one is better overall, a much better look, nicer headlights. I don't know why they changed the front bumper that much, I don't think that was a major issue.

PBH
01-28-2005, 06:36 AM
I really dont kno wat to think about this car, I look at it, and its not bad, but I don't think... I want this car, its the same with the interior, I remember in 98 when the S-Class came out sitting in it at the British Motor Show thinking, wow this is great, I dont get the same feeling about this car when I look or sit in it, and thats something that BMW needs to fix in order to compete, don't get me wrong, its competent, its just needs to be more desirable... when I look at 5ers or 3ers I think wow... I cud quite happily have this car, but it doesnt work with this one.

RikfromBelgium
01-28-2005, 06:38 AM
I agree, I also iked the previous bumper more

turbonium959
01-28-2005, 07:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ll0ll</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What do you mean? As if bmw took all that time just for the exterior? You didnt read about the other modifications?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes, I did read about other modifications, but the facelift, in my opinion was the most important to BMW image. Since day one the new 7 series was shown, it received such a mixed response, and most of it was not good. So, BMW went for the facelift right of the way. It just seems to me that they put it on hold and decided to bring out exterior updates as well as interior and mechanical updates, you know, as a package. That way the marketing group has more to sell to the customer other than just a facelift.

Vatican
01-28-2005, 09:08 AM
I have no problem with the back, the old and the new. But those headlights, while being an improvement over the stupid first design, are still boring, Japanese, bland ... just disappointing. What's wrong with those people? can't they just do a simple, smart looking, elegant set of headlights any more?<p>It sounds like a minor detail, but in the case of a BMW it is not. Many of us bought BMWs in the past partly because we could not resist that sharp looking "face" BMWs had. Now they either look sad (6 series) ... develish clownish (5 series) or stuid (X3)<p>the only exception was the redesigned X5 which was just right

[AP]adiweb
01-28-2005, 10:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vatican</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now they either look sad (6 series) ... develish clownish (5 series) or stuid (X3)</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> well said dude, although i love the 6series and 5series designs, but not as bmw sadly...

RikfromBelgium
01-28-2005, 12:19 PM
Check out the internetspecial on BMW.de, much better, more pictures <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
01-28-2005, 03:05 PM
They wanted to keep the "different" as one of the descriptions of 7er's style, but they just ran out of ideas with headlights. Its like they couldn't decide either to be concervative with it, or do something radical. In the end we got this... I think headlights should have been winder and less triangular on the inside. Rear end is a joke. I mean they could have made the idea work by making read end look a bit more 850-ish like.

jro4566
01-28-2005, 06:26 PM
It does look a lot better on the outside, but the interior design still looks too busy for me, even with the iDrive. Speaking of iDrive, thank goodness they kept it...&lt;I was worried&gt;

nstreet16
01-28-2005, 10:03 PM
i dunno whether to like this or loathe it.... i mean yes its a much needed improvement on the car... the front looks like an oversized 3 series coupe front light. but, its softer and not so ugly like... the rear looks like an inverted 3 series rear (referring to the lights). i dunno... its nice but then its not... i guess its one of those, HAS TO GROW ON YOU THING.

scorpio14
01-28-2005, 10:12 PM
I think its look far better then the Pre-facelift model....btw how many spokes are on these alloys???<p><IMG SRC="http://www.bmw.de/bmw_aktuell/innovation/img/bmw7er2005_04_700_400.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>IMO its too many

Chickpig
01-29-2005, 02:16 AM
I think the main problem with this car is that the design is not kept simple. It's just made too complicated, with so many additional lines, lights, curves. It's just too much that it's not really understandable.

skoochythatone
01-29-2005, 05:06 AM
Ok, I was really waiting for this facelift aswell. As much as I didnt like the previous 7-series because of its design, I got used to it. It represented BMW in a good way, even though it wouldve been my first choice in that segment(now try to guess what I would go for ;-) ).<br>But this facelift makes it less attractive, it doesnt stick out anymore. To me it looks bland, boring and not exciting anymore. It even reminds me of the 7-series before the current series(dont know the exact name..but it was long,wide and plain boring). <br>If BMW really took that long for this facelift, I hope that interior features make up for the design. I dont try to bash BMW, just stating my honest opinion, and it seems I am not the only one.

RikfromBelgium
01-29-2005, 05:15 AM
first it's too radical, than it's too boring. The masses sure are difficult to please <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

MUGEN
01-29-2005, 02:18 PM
Look better, compared with the droopy look of the previous one. Very Impressed! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Designo
01-29-2005, 08:35 PM
This car is looking more Japanese-ish, especially with the front headlight treatment. <p>IMO, BMW has turned an eye-catching, avant-garde design into a slodge-podge mess. They've essentially ruined their masterpiece. <p>I can understand (and would probably do so myself) tweaking the front (make it less sad and more 2006 3-Series/5-Series like "aggresive"), but it's the rear that's making me crazy. It looks like a mess there. I think the clean lines of the rear of the 2006 S-Class will stun and outshine the 7's..

piokor
01-30-2005, 01:32 AM
When scrolling quickly through the pics of the rear, the car reminds me of the new Avalon's rear...

Chickpig
01-30-2005, 06:53 AM
New vs Old:<br><IMG SRC="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/bm7790_41f8d27bbf138.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/bm7791_41f8d27bd5120.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: auto.cz<br>

skoochythatone
01-30-2005, 11:18 AM
Exactly! The masses are hard to please..and I think BMW will realize that the things they do with the 7-series once again will not please the masses..<p>Oh man..I cannot wait for the new S-Class to come out..its gonna smoke the 7-series in a second!..sorry..just had to say that..dont take it personal <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
01-30-2005, 11:52 AM
its funny - all this talk about how the new s will smoke the 7er, but nobody is making any prediction about how long. the 7er facelift is here before the new s-class has even been shown. im sure the s-class will sell much better than this 7er. Still, I think the reason this facelift is so subtle is that BMW is gearing up the next gen 7er to hit the streets sooner than most people think. The new s-class will own the 7er, but for how long?

spwolf
01-30-2005, 12:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Still, I think the reason this facelift is so subtle is that BMW is gearing up the next gen 7er to hit the streets sooner than most people think. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>not really, sales in this class are fairly low and constantly dropping due to premium SUV competition and there is no way BMW would want to spend all of that money to develop new car... As to S class, well 7 series has done unthinkable and beat it in Germany (every excuse such as old S class is just that - excuse) and MB dealers now have pretty large factory rabates for S class in the US as well.<p>Nevertheless, this class as it is, is an dying breed...

RikfromBelgium
01-30-2005, 02:00 PM
True, the pr-facelift, as radical as it may have been, has had the biggest impact in the segment than any 7 series before. And untill the new S arrives, which is still almost 10 months, this newer less radical and improved version will hurt them. It can be some don't like the design, it may be some like the S-class more and think it will smoke it. But for now, the 7 series is doing just that what so many thought it couldn't: taking over the segment.

Denali
01-30-2005, 04:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Nevertheless, this class as it is, is an dying breed...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i dont think so, long as movie stars, entertainers, and athletes, or rich people buy them by the 2, this class will never die,

DoMiNo
01-30-2005, 10:23 PM
God this is hilarious. I can't believe this "refresh" was shrouded in such secrecy. It's awful. Tweaking the headlamps, fascia, and rear end of this boat just makes it look ugly <I>AND</I> dated. And I don't say this maliciously, it's just that I had higher hopes for this car... in all honesty, I hope the new S-Class shreds this thing.

AllodoxaphobicJay
01-30-2005, 11:09 PM
Now if only they'd gotten rid of the Saab door handles...

shonguiz
01-31-2005, 03:15 AM
Are those V8 will be integrated to 5 series ?

Hornbag
01-31-2005, 04:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AllodoxaphobicJay</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now if only they'd gotten rid of the Saab door handles...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>EXACTUALLY! That was the only major problem i had with the car.

badman
01-31-2005, 06:14 AM
AMS just ran a poll regarding the 7 series facelift and curiously enough, no less than 62% felt that the facelifted car looked better than the pre-facelift version. 22% said the facelift didn't look better and 15% couldn't even see a difference.<p>I'm among those who feel that the new car is a step back in terms of design, but it seems the general public might actually like it more.

AM2
01-31-2005, 07:21 AM
Many may think it looks bland.... <br>I think it looks just Fine. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

2fastdre
01-31-2005, 10:33 AM
Mercedes is releasing a S65 AMG at the Chicago show in about 10 days. We knew that this 600+ hp sedan was coming, but does BMW have an answer? Do they care? I know that BMW always looked down on turbo and super chargers as a "cheap" or "cheating" way to make big horsepower. They should be able to find a way to tune the M5's V10 to make 550 or even 600 hp. That engine would make a fine M7.<p>BTW, Bentley Continental Flying Spur is coming out. It's also a high powered ultra luxury sedan. That segment is heating up nicely. Rolce Royce needs a little more power too. :)<p>Random thought: Isn't it funny how the Rolce Royce and Bentley were closely related in the past and now - not at all? RR - owned by BMW, and Bentley - owned by VW.<p>2FastDre.

RikfromBelgium
01-31-2005, 10:35 AM
No, they won't make a +600Bhp 7 series because it is rather stupid and wouldn't fit in the BMW Filosophy of handling above Horsepower.

JBlair
01-31-2005, 11:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, they won't make a +600Bhp 7 series because it is rather stupid and wouldn't fit in the BMW Filosophy of handling above Horsepower. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Then how do you explain the 500 hp M5 and M6?

RikfromBelgium
01-31-2005, 11:19 AM
exactly, 500Bhp, not 600, not 612, not 627

DoMiNo
01-31-2005, 03:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2fastdre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>BTW, Bentley Continental Flying Spur is coming out. It's also a high powered ultra luxury sedan. <p>Random thought: Isn't it funny how the Rolce Royce and Bentley were closely related in the past and now - not at all? RR - owned by BMW, and Bentley - owned by VW.<p>2FastDre.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Woah, Captain Obvious.

DoMiNo
01-31-2005, 03:50 PM
Yea, I don't think BMW will compromise that "handling over horsepower" mantra, but it does seem like the obvious excess of the new M5 was aimed directly at placating those consumers won over by Mercedes' obsession with horsepower. They'll have to "keep up with the Benzes" whether they like it or not.

Reppu
02-01-2005, 12:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it does seem like the obvious excess of the new M5 was aimed directly at placating those consumers won over by Mercedes' obsession with horsepower. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haha, i never saw that way, but i think you're right, MB has a strange obsession with power outputs. LIke if having 627 instead of 550 hp would make a car any better, what a stupid filosophy. If we were talking about people instead of cars, some would say 'inferiority complex'.......

Top Secret
02-01-2005, 01:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">exactly, 500Bhp, not 600, not 612, not 627</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's actually 507HP and what do you say to the rumoured Z9 Supercar which will have a lot more power than the M5/6?

shonguiz
02-01-2005, 04:31 AM
No supercar for the moment at their plantproduct.

AM2
02-01-2005, 08:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Then how do you explain the 500 hp M5 and M6?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Even with fewer bhp, BMW can still be competitive. Mercedes cars are either fat/ lazy or both.... so they need more power....<br>

JBlair
02-01-2005, 08:04 AM
Thats a generalization that cannot entirely be backed up.......................

AM2
02-01-2005, 09:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats a generalization that cannot entirely be backed up.......................</TD></TR></TABLE><p>True, not all Mercedes cars are fat or lazy, but many of their models seem to be that way... <br>I just noticed that many of Mercedes' models use bigger engines compared to the BMW models it competes with to have similar performance....<br>318i 2.0 vs C200K<br>325i vs C240 2.6<br>Z4 3.0i vs SLK350<br>525i vs E240 2.6<br>330i vs C320<br>545i vs E500<br>M3 vs C55 AMG<br>M5 vs E55 AMG<br>745i vs S500<p>Mercedes resorts to bigger engine sizes or superchargers to compete with BMW's equivalent models with smaller engines.... <br>Like the muscle cars from the 60's <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
02-01-2005, 12:47 PM
bloody hell <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RAAAAC4Ux7Ae9*TpgfgA8H3xTgcdpfqTByvrQAqlOPKjrDHyD NEnti*Y2C6evewCntJ4FEnJm47JQPll1FB4*3mgGeupPpK1b7H A6osLCCA/image001.png?dc=4675508337447416766" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
02-01-2005, 11:36 PM
Kinda on the subject...Anyone think Jaguar is going about competeing all wrong with the XK?? While in a sensible world, it makes sense to cut weight instead of produce cars with excessive hp, most people are very caught up in the numbers. Even though the upcoming XK is supposed to be able to keep up with a SL55, due to its 500lb weight difference, 410 hp looks much less apetizing than nearly 500 hp.

CalinG7
02-01-2005, 11:46 PM
Good point. I think there are very few car/performance enthusiasts who buy these machines. Most can't tell you more than how much they paid for it........... bragging rights............ mine's bigger........

AM2
02-02-2005, 07:22 AM
I find it impressive that the large Jaguar XJR which has a 390bhp engine can accelerate as fast as other large sedans with bigger and stronger engines.

Santeno
02-02-2005, 11:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kinda on the subject...Anyone think Jaguar is going about competeing all wrong with the XK?? While in a sensible world, it makes sense to cut weight instead of produce cars with excessive hp, most people are very caught up in the numbers. Even though the upcoming XK is supposed to be able to keep up with a SL55, due to its 500lb weight difference, 410 hp looks much less apetizing than nearly 500 hp. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't think it is a problem with Jaguar's engineering choices, but rather with their marketing ones. What they should be doing is emphasizing the car's performance, and then rub it in that they can manage it with less HP.

DoMiNo
02-02-2005, 02:55 PM
I don't mind the horsepower wars... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> I say go for it, you silly Germans.

knicks125
02-02-2005, 03:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't mind the horsepower wars... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> I say go for it, you silly Germans.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Everybody is doing it, it's just not just the Germans...everyone is battling for who can produce the most hp (in respective classes, of course). To some hp is very overrated, hp alone doesn't mean anything.

DoMiNo
02-02-2005, 07:06 PM
They aren't the only ones doing it... but they're the ones pushing it to the brink of sheer absurdity. SL65, for example...<p>*but true, hp alone doesn't tell the whole story. Luckily, in MB's case, the torque is there as well. Unfortunately, so is the weight :(

Naga Royal Guard
02-02-2005, 08:19 PM
BMW has been reasonable about it, the M5's chassis and capabilities are everybit deserving of its 500+ V10 powerplant, it may look like a silver zuchinni, but its a really fast one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>the Phantom V12 is also "modestly" powered, compared to VW and Mercedes ( likely competitors <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> ) BMW has been behaving itself the most <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
02-03-2005, 12:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> BMW has been behaving itself the most <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Except for Chris Bangle! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-03-2005, 07:58 AM
i was ignoring how the cars look, because ive spent alot of time hammering BMW for that, it appears the market likes it tho :)

Santeno
02-03-2005, 08:31 AM
Amazing how much talk there was about this facelift before it came out, and now that everyone has seen it, the talk has practically died out...

Naga Royal Guard
02-03-2005, 08:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Amazing how much talk there was about this facelift before it came out, and now that everyone has seen it, the talk has practically died out...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you really hate this car dont you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
02-03-2005, 04:01 PM
Can't say that I'd blame him!

Reppu
02-04-2005, 12:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Amazing how much talk there was about this facelift before it came out, and now that everyone has seen it, the talk has practically died out...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That's because everybody is willing to love BMW. If you like driving, you just have to support BMW's concept about what a car is. The trouble is that you hate the most those who dissapoint you the most. If you don't give a damn about something, then you can hardly hate it, can't you?

Santeno
02-04-2005, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> That's because everybody is willing to love BMW. If you like driving, you just have to support BMW's concept about what a car is. The trouble is that you hate the most those who dissapoint you the most. If you don't give a damn about something, then you can hardly hate it, can't you?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You do know that I own a BMW right? and I love to drive it, but I DO NOT have to support what BMW's new crop of designers are doing to some of the most rewardingly engineered vehicles out there. I guess that by your comment and by the lack of activity on this thread, most peole just don't care too much about this car.

ll0ll
02-04-2005, 09:08 AM
The excitement of something that is coming is often greater then the arrival. In my younger days, weeks before my birthday i couldnt sleep because i was enxious for the presents. I think its the same thing/emotion..

islandbeef
02-04-2005, 10:45 AM
It's amazing how hard these guys are trying to re-invent the E38. It's only getting worse. <p>IB Out

Reppu
02-05-2005, 12:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I guess that by your comment and by the lack of activity on this thread, most peole just don't care too much about this car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We have the same ideas about the kind of excitement this car has generated: NONE. It's just a little easier for the average than before, but it leaves you with that feeling.....'that's all?'

BigjskylineR34
02-05-2005, 08:51 PM
i like the new overall look of the 7 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-05-2005, 08:57 PM
The only thing it needed was 5 series door handles and the simplified iDrive. Although the facelife does look better...

T.B.
02-23-2005, 04:49 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050223.007/2050223.007.Mini1L.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050223.007/2050223.007.Mini2L.jpg" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
02-23-2005, 06:26 AM
nice photo there but the main problem with this car is that it doesn't look good at all angles.

mc_blue
02-23-2005, 01:49 PM
A definate improvement - thumbs up I reckon.

Roadster44
02-23-2005, 04:08 PM
Improvement yes, but rear taillights should have been made with reverse lighs integrated into narrower upper part. Its hard to explain what I mean...sorry. <br>Front headlights should have been a bit wider and less curvy in the middle, also bumper doesn't look good either.<br>

PHYMB
02-24-2005, 01:03 PM
I think the reverse lights are integrated very well into that chrome strip. The reverselights are the white part on the tailights and looks good.. I think the front lights, and lower bumper look bad. THe lights are too bubbly.

Santeno
02-24-2005, 01:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PHYMB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the reverse lights are integrated very well into that chrome strip. The reverselights are the white part on the tailights and looks good...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Didn't MB do exactly that in the S-Class in the early 1990's?

Krypton
02-24-2005, 01:56 PM
i think so, i was looking at one today, it was parked outside of the classroom

Designo
02-24-2005, 07:43 PM
oh god... whenever i look at pics of this car, it's living having a living nightmare <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>the front is certainly an unflattering angle... <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I can live with the rear; the 7 has not turned a car that is not even remotely desirable for me to ever own...

SV
02-24-2005, 08:25 PM
although the front looks better and it's arguably an improvement, now it (ironically) looks dull. the rear is just a mess. IMO they would have been better off keeping the old taillights rather than these.

ll0ll
02-25-2005, 01:43 AM
The chrome strip only comes with the more expensive 7,doesnt it?

[AP]adiweb
02-25-2005, 04:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think so, i was looking at one today, it was parked outside of the classroom</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You should have looked at the blackbord <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Yep, as I said, the "improved" 7series looks worse than the original. I was never a fan of that E65, but just two days ago, a black 745i passed by and I thought: why the hell did bmw publish that awful facelift? I hope that my opinion will change after having seen the facelifted version in real life.

Krypton
02-25-2005, 05:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>@diweb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You should have looked at the blackbord <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Yep, as I said, the "improved" 7series looks worse than the original. I was never a fan of that E65, but just two days ago, a black 745i passed by and I thought: why the hell did bmw publish that awful facelift? I hope that my opinion will change after having seen the facelifted version in real life.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ehh, it was math, i usually finish my hw for the day before he starts the class, I like the new facelifted face but then i liked the old one as well

Ascariss
02-26-2005, 02:50 PM
<IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//7ernewface.jpg" BORDER="0">

JBlair
02-26-2005, 02:52 PM
Still testing? I wonder if they unveiled it before they actually finished testing the new parts.

Ascariss
02-26-2005, 03:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Still testing? I wonder if they unveiled it before they actually finished testing the new parts. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Cars test long after a car has been unvieled and even after production starts as well.

BMW rulez
02-26-2005, 04:46 PM
Thanks for the pic ascariss.<p>Looks beautiful so far, but I still prefer the current's rear end.

mc_blue
02-27-2005, 03:09 AM
Is that part of the Sport trim level - note the exposed exhaust pipes and alloys.

bastis
02-27-2005, 03:32 AM
It could be the new Alpina B7, because it is registered in the county, where Alpina resides.

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 05:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JONNY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the new 4.8l engine comming to replace the 545?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>interesting question, and I do think so, it might become the 550i <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
02-27-2005, 07:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>interesting question, and I do think so, it might become the 550i <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>or go back to 540i

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 07:35 PM
the smaller V8 for europe will be making the (series)40i cars

Tidal
02-27-2005, 07:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>or go back to 540i</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Or both. The 5-series as had two " normal " V8s in it's line up before.<p>As for the 7-series, and although i was never a fan of the old, i guess i had gotten used to the way it looked. And a black 760Li could even be considered extremely cool in my book. But this new one... i dunno. It seems to have lost the weirdness, but it still isn't a beauty, so to me it just feels kinda bland. a bit bloated even, especially from a 3/4 front view, like on the first official photo. Oh well, maybe in a couple of years i'll grow accustomed to them as well.

RS
02-27-2005, 07:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the smaller V8 for europe will be making the (series)40i cars</TD></TR></TABLE><br>so 360hp in the 5 series for North America? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> That's only 34 less than the E39 M5, isn't that too much?

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 08:30 PM
why not, the old M3's Hp numbers will be passed by garden variety E90s

RikfromBelgium
02-28-2005, 02:29 AM
The 745i will now be a 750i, 5 series will also get that engine. Maybe 6 series, but not sure.

mc_blue
03-03-2005, 09:49 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/previews/previews_story.php?id=54707" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...54707</A><p>First drive - albeit a bit short.

badman
03-04-2005, 10:56 AM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/65639.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/65641.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>Source: AutoBild</i><p>It looks pretty good in those pictures, great color too.

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 07:52 AM
This car I love! It's not as futiric as the old one. let's hope it's starts selling again. <p>Edit: I also want to mention that I am impressed by the diesel engines of this car. The old 730d had an impressive acceleration, so I can only imagine what the 745d can do. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Fcuke at 8:04 AM 3/28/2005</i>

erzhik
03-28-2005, 10:38 AM
I don't like it.. I think it is ugly.. The previous one was A LOT BETTER

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 11:51 AM
That's your oppinion, but you seem to hate everything that says BMW on the hood. Anyway; i think the old 7-series look abit futuric, as if the car was made in 2014, but the new one looks abit more "today", and I think it will do better. maybe we'll see a new 7-series, similare to the old one in a couple of years, when the world can handle it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

shonguiz
04-02-2005, 10:40 AM
Will be a stronger diesel v8 on this car ?

AM2
04-04-2005, 11:09 AM
2006 7-series<br><IMG SRC="http://img93.exs.cx/img93/9426/20067seriesfront6ye.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>2003 7-series<br><IMG SRC="http://img99.exs.cx/img99/1959/20037series7ut.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I know the pre-facelifted model had its unique look...<br>But the facelifted version fits just right... looks powerful and luxurious.<br>I like the new big grill, I thought the old grill was kinda small like the X3's grill.

[AP]adiweb
04-04-2005, 11:15 AM
I would drive both of them if I could only afford having one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0">

S600Miami
04-04-2005, 01:55 PM
Just saw the updated 750i and 760Li at the NY Auto Show and LOVED them. The tail lights look like they were initially designed for the car. The only thing I noticed was that the side angle of the trunk didn't seem to line up very well. Both of them looked as though they had been slightly popped open from the side angle but were definitely closed when looking from the rear (and trying to lift up to no avail).

mzoltarp
04-09-2005, 05:57 AM
The 7 series make over is so subtle that one wonders why they even bothered. At a quick glance it appears that they added some red plastic to the tail to tie it together. It's when you see them side by side, old and new, that the changes become apparent. That said, I still find the overall design to be odd and uninspiring. The 5 series looks a little better, but it really is too bad that the grace of the pre-Bangle 7 series was lost.

sc43018
04-13-2005, 07:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 7 series make over is so subtle that one wonders why they even bothered. At a quick glance it appears that they added some red plastic to the tail to tie it together. It's when you see them side by side, old and new, that the changes become apparent. That said, I still find the overall design to be odd and uninspiring. The 5 series looks a little better, but it really is too bad that the grace of the pre-Bangle 7 series was lost.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i agree, i think the prev-gen 7er was possibly the most luxurious yet sporty high-end lux sedan ever made. Having driven one, as well as an S-class, i can also atest to it's driving ability being quite on par for the competition of its time. I wish some of its essence was carried over, but i must admit, this 7er (pre-facelift & post-facelift) gets better every time i see it

Designo
04-13-2005, 10:41 PM
It seems like there's an awful lot of "damn if you do, damn if you don't" here to BMW's 7-Series...<p>

RikfromBelgium
04-14-2005, 10:20 AM
true

CalinG7
04-15-2005, 04:34 PM
I think the design changes are very obvious, and a great improvement over the 2005 7-series. I'm still not a fan of the rear, though it's better integrated, but I really like how they cleaned up the front, gettin rid of that choppy, awkward, messy grill and light cluster. Good job, and the engines sound awesome. I see this as backtracking by BMW management (and Bangle), though of course they would never say that.

spwolf
04-15-2005, 06:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems like there's an awful lot of "damn if you do, damn if you don't" here to BMW's 7-Series...<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>heh, and they told us back in 2001 (?) that we will get it after few years :-).<p>Facelift looks gazillion times better!

Mindless T
04-15-2005, 06:30 PM
This would be a good car if LS430 and A8 didn't exist...

Fcuke
04-16-2005, 03:47 AM
Beats the hell out of them. We've got nothing to fear. hehe.<p>Nah, Audi has got some good engines on their A8, but I wouldn't consider it when there is such a wondermachine as the 7-series. It has something of it's own, the luxury, the comfort, the looks, the image.

Klaus H.
04-21-2005, 07:27 AM
Hello,<p>my new 750Li here:<p><A HREF="http://www.hoeltken-kempen.de/BMW.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hoeltken-kempen.de/BMW.html</A><p>Best wishes<br>Klaus<p><br>

RikfromBelgium
04-21-2005, 10:23 AM
great car, congrats<br>

VexedandGlorious
04-21-2005, 11:40 AM
nice pics, but in the pic of the dash, what are those cords coming from the navigation system. theyre also in the sclass spy pic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

knihc2008
04-21-2005, 04:41 PM
now that i look at the facelifted 7er, the only thing that made the old one interesting to look at was the ugly, off-kilter grille, lower headlamps and tail. now that they've fixed it, the whole thing just looks.. boring. really, really boring.

the_saint
04-21-2005, 05:59 PM
those are not wires thats an eye glasses.<p><br>great pic Klaus

nismo
04-21-2005, 06:27 PM
I think this face-lift was well needed and well executed... the rear still looks weird to me though..

AM2
04-21-2005, 10:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now that they've fixed it, the whole thing just looks.. boring. really, really boring.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I think they still managed to retain some unique styling details...<br>Boring?<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/4136/4772/norm_30_750Li_2005_Eu.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/202/281/norm_1_S500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 1:51 PM 4/22/2005</i>

Nick
04-22-2005, 12:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sc43018</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree, i think the prev-gen 7er was possibly the most luxurious yet sporty high-end lux sedan ever made. Having driven one, as well as an S-class, i can also atest to it's driving ability being quite on par for the competition of its time. I wish some of its essence was carried over, but i must admit, this 7er (pre-facelift & post-facelift) gets better every time i see it </TD></TR></TABLE><br>yea, the E38 7 series was truly a wonderful machine...it still is to this day...my dad is still looking for a 2001 740i with the sport package...it's an awesome car...

LEXUS FAN!
04-23-2005, 07:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//7ernewface.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>so it is going to have chrome exhausts or not?

Klaus H.
04-24-2005, 01:12 AM
Hello,<p>no, OAL is the plate of ALPINA:<p>my car:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.hoeltken-kempen.de/BMW25.JPG" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Alpina:<p> <br><A HREF="http://www.7-forum.com/bild.php?bild=modelle/e65/alpina/alpina_b7_lci_03b.jpg&title=BMW%20Alpina%20B7&cpy=Alpina" TARGET="_blank">http://www.7-forum.com/bild.ph...lpina</A><p><br>Best wishes<br>Klaus