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carrera4
01-17-2005, 08:43 AM
from <A HREF="http://www.fiatautopress.ch" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fiatautopress.ch</A> seen at <A HREF="http://www.autopareri.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopareri.com</A><p><IMG SRC="http://img23.exs.cx/img23/1456/croma16po.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img23.exs.cx/img23/8236/croma28ss.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img23.exs.cx/img23/5263/croma33af.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2220/targa0er.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by carrera4 at 12:41 AM 1/18/2005</i>

whipster
01-17-2005, 09:28 AM
I'm not a big fan of this design although it was created by Giugiaro himself <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>In press this car is called "Fiat Large". I hope this name will change, as Fiat Small changed name to Fiat Gingo and then Panda.<p>If we believe Fiat's assurances, this car will start a new epoch of quality and reliability. Hope it's true, because Fiat's cars' sell still brings losses. "Large" is built on Opel Vectra platform, which is first effect of Fiat & GM cooperation.

SV
01-17-2005, 09:40 AM
it's ok, but i wonder if giugiaro knew that cars don't look like jellybeans anymore <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV3 at 2:52 PM 1/17/2005</i>

carrera4
01-17-2005, 09:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>: wHiPsTEr 2005 :</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In press this car is called "Fiat Large". I hope this name will change, as Fiat Small changed name to Fiat Gingo and then Panda.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>as the press release and the plate say, it's called Croma

Ascariss
01-17-2005, 10:14 AM
I don't know, is there a market for this thing in Europe? The looks are mediocre and nothing groundbreaking, and is it a wagon or MPV? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I won't judge from these pics since they look a bit "fakish" and I prefer to see it in more natural light, plus the interior as well.

sono81
01-17-2005, 10:28 AM
I think it´s good looking, but I´d rather see this as a sedan. Maybe with the trunk door like the original Croma or the Citroen c5

KaRaceR
01-17-2005, 10:30 AM
i usually like fiats(stylo,punto etc) but this one does not look that good and it does not fit the fiat badge dome how

r0b
01-17-2005, 10:34 AM
Doesn't look much like a FIAT! It's like the new Daewoo (chevrolet) design! Hope the quality will be better!

Man with no name
01-17-2005, 11:02 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Is FIAT makes deliberately ugly cars?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

-Peter-
01-17-2005, 11:34 AM
its quite nice IMO. At least its not as bland as Stilo. There is few design-elements that make it look almoust good. I just dont know if there is enough buyers for this thing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

FRENCHY
01-17-2005, 12:15 PM
The car must be very tall, because its length is 4m70 and it's hard to believe when you look at these pictures ...<p>one thing is sure, Fiat did not spend much for the pictures ... <p>another thing is sure, Giugiaro failed to make this thing sexy, original or at least italian ...<br>remember, this car was so ugly it has already been restyled ... by Giugiaro who tried to do its best with what was first a potato on wheels ... the result is not that bad, with nice wheels and chrome door openers ... <br>let's wait to see to interior ....

sono81
01-17-2005, 12:24 PM
Some of the interior chops reveals a high quality designed interior. I guess this came to share the Opel Signum buyers, but the Opel looks a lot better than the Fiat, and the interior is great. Let´s wait to see this Fiat interior...

[AP]adiweb
01-17-2005, 12:27 PM
Oh, I've got the new song of the Croma's tv advertisement in my head ! Let me sing it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><I>DAEWOOOO, DAEEEEWOOO<br>Croma's comin and we wanna go home !<br> This car looks like rotten bananas<br>Croma's comin' and we wanna go home !</I> <p>Just a bit of a music lesson in here!<br>(melody and interpretation of that bad remix from Harry Belafonte - Banana boat song)<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

MrMGMan
01-17-2005, 01:11 PM
Another thoroughly gutless and un-Italian design from FIAT Auto. When will they realise that the reason they sold so many cars in the 1980's and 1990's was because they were obviously Italian to look at? They really do seem to have lost all their design confidence. First the cheap Golf knock-off that was the Stilo, then the ill-advised mid-term facelift of the Punto, and now this. I see absolutely nothing in this car that would make you think its an Italian product, and certainly nothing that identifies it as a FIAT.<p>While I'm on a rant, has anyone noticed the influence of 4x4/SUV styling on the cars general stance?<p>Let's hope that this year's new Punto is a bolder, more obviously Italian design.

ajprice
01-17-2005, 01:50 PM
This looks nothing like a Fiat, its a bit anonymous really, doesn't look like anything. Apart from the Panda, which I like, Fiat design has lost it recently.

Man with no name
01-17-2005, 02:49 PM
Fiat's cars are already old before being launched...<p>My opinion is that Fiat needs 10 years to launch a car instead of 4 years for all others car makers !<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
01-17-2005, 06:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know, is there a market for this thing in Europe? The looks are mediocre and nothing groundbreaking, and is it a wagon or MPV? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I won't judge from these pics since they look a bit "fakish" and I prefer to see it in more natural light, plus the interior as well.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It'll make a popular Taxi in Rome.

Gian86
01-17-2005, 06:10 PM
this new croma looks alright. I love rear side looks. I hope the sedan version of Fiat croma comes out soon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
01-18-2005, 12:57 AM
Did someone say this was based on the Vectra?

carrera4
01-18-2005, 01:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know, is there a market for this thing in Europe? The looks are mediocre and nothing groundbreaking, and is it a wagon or MPV? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> I won't judge from these pics since they look a bit "fakish" and I prefer to see it in more natural light, plus the interior as well.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They claim this car is a crossover like the pacifica...<br>They're working on it from several years ago and it had many re-designs, that's why, I think, it looks already old and not too new.<p>High powered version with AWD will come in the future.<p>I think it's success will be related to its price too, however I'll wait to see it in the flesh...

whipster
01-18-2005, 05:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know, is there a market for this thing in Europe?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Fiat hopes so although Croma was popular ONLY in Italy.<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did someone say this was based on the Vectra?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes I said that it is sharing platform with Vectra.<p>And now for everyone criticizing design: these pictures look like computer renderings for me. Remember that we don't really know how Large / Croma really looks like.

Reppu
01-18-2005, 07:25 AM
More info from <A HREF="http://www.solomotor.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.solomotor.com</A><p>Length: 4,75 meters<br>Width: 1,77 meters<br>Heigth: 1,60 meters<br>Wheelbase: 2,83 meters<p>Engines:<br>gas 1.8 16v 130 hp <br>gas 2.2 16v 150 hp <br>diesel 1.9 Multijet 120 & 150 hp <br>diesel 2.4 Multijet 200 hp <p>Pretty good figures i think<br>

MrMGMan
01-18-2005, 09:19 AM
The petrol engines sound like they're a mix of Fiat and GM units.<p>The 1.8 16v with 130bhp is probably the same unit they use in the Punto HGT and Barchetta, while the 2.2 16v with 150bhp most likely comes from the Vauxhall/Opel Vectra.

iakovos
01-18-2005, 11:00 AM
It definately looks better than the Opel Signum it is based on.... and the interior is a lot nicer too (trust me about this ) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> ... the front could be a little bit more agressive though...<p>The real question is whether there is really a market in Europe for this car... which is really a cross between a Stationwagon and Crossover ?<p>The problem with daring styling in FIAT is the old Multipla.... They got that car so wrong from a style point of view they are afraid to try ANYTHING even remoterly daring...

Ghost_In_The_Machine
01-18-2005, 07:48 PM
Malibu Maxx/Opel Signum/Fiat Chroma<p>Next Saab 9-3 sporthatch

summersun54
01-19-2005, 06:18 AM
Pontiac g6..same long wheelbase...

spwolf
01-19-2005, 10:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iakovos</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It definately looks better than the Opel Signum it is based on.... and the interior is a lot nicer too (trust me about this ) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> ... the front could be a little bit more agressive though...<p>The real question is whether there is really a market in Europe for this car... which is really a cross between a Stationwagon and Crossover ?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats exactly where the problem is. Signum isnt selling well at all, why would this car sell better? Why would anyone buy this over Vectra for example? Even if they lower the price to match Vectra's (which is significantly lower than Signum), there is not enough reasons to buy this type of car.<p>My thought is that they probably know it is an niche vehicle and they dont plan to sell many of those... Question remains why dont they build Vectra-like vehicle that can generate significantly better sales for them and sales is what they need.<p>They dont need another reason to give record incentives to their customers.

Reppu
01-20-2005, 12:13 AM
Exactly. I just can't see this car being a success, even in relative terms. Another bluff might terminate the brand and even the whole group, and if i had to trust my future in this car i would be most worried.

summersun54
01-20-2005, 08:20 AM
Fiat wont bet their comeback on this car. Bigger cars dont sell well for Fiat. But it looks nice. <p>The punto replacement is critical for fiat and the next multipla as that is still an odd car.. A smaller 2-door city car based on the trepunio is essential to revive style in their range and improve their image massively. A funky little city car/smaller car than the panda with style and charm would do wonders for Fiats image and long-term survival<br>A large car in launched, as a 3-box saloon would not sell with a fiat badge so an alternative had to be found, it establishes Fiat in a market they have been absent from for over a decade maybe over time they will pad out the range.. <br>I thing they are fu**ed no matter what they do in this market the market is dying as it is and a Fiat badge wont help..<br>But here is to hoping <br>

storm
01-20-2005, 05:18 PM
Will the new croma be avaible in a five door like the old model or is it just an estate?

Dal
01-20-2005, 05:20 PM
its not an estate lol, its a crossover type vehicle, like the opel/vauxhall signum

DoMiNo
01-20-2005, 05:49 PM
This car is laughably anonymous. It's like one of those "any-cars" you find in a video game like Grand Theft Auto, or something like that. That gouge out of the rear fender is a futile attempt at personality, and I can honestly say my respect for Giugiaro has fallen after seeing this car. Someone at Fiat needs to remove his head from his.... well... you know.<p>I am so cynical today! :(

DoMiNo
01-20-2005, 05:55 PM
Oh so THAT'S where he found the inspiration for that weird rear flank treatment. Silly Giugiaro...<p><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Subaru/100399443/030318-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2003/Subaru/100076812/009900-E.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>(Source edmunds.com)

-Peter-
01-21-2005, 01:51 AM
you can find that wierd flank much closer<p><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/spinaroundtown/04.chevrolet.malibu.maxx/04.chevrolet.malibu.maxxlt.r34.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Malibu Maxx<p>also the "normal" malibu has that flank

DoMiNo
01-21-2005, 01:57 AM
GAG. <I>That's</I> the one I was thinking of.

Laguna
01-21-2005, 03:32 AM
It looks quite short for some reason.

carrera4
01-21-2005, 04:25 AM
guys take a look to the old Fiat regata... that's were Giugiaro took the flank-rear arch design<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/regata_weekend_200.jpg" BORDER="0">

Laguna
01-21-2005, 04:33 AM
looked at it. LOL. It so crap

carrera4
01-21-2005, 05:26 AM
it's from the 80's

Laguna
01-21-2005, 05:42 AM
really

DoMiNo
01-21-2005, 10:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carrera4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">guys take a look to the old Fiat regata... that's were Giugiaro took the flank-rear arch design<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/regata_weekend_200.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Worst inspiration car EVER

DoMiNo
01-21-2005, 10:36 AM
I can't believe we dignified this car with three pages of discussion

Chicho
01-21-2005, 06:53 PM
Why? Regatta was released in 1983; its a long time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
01-21-2005, 08:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chicho</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why? Regatta was released in 1983; its a long time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The dark ages of automotive design

Andrey
01-21-2005, 08:34 PM
It's hard times for Fiat right now...I don't like their design now

Chicho
01-21-2005, 08:49 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> Youre right Domino dark ages.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

MrMGMan
01-22-2005, 11:41 AM
Fiat have always been absolutely CRAP at designing big cars. The last Croma was a joint project with Saab in the 1980's and produced the Saab 9000, Lancia Thema and Alfa Romeo 164, all talented executive contenders. Fiat got it very wrong even then and produced the spectacularly turgid Croma. I really can't believe they've revived the name of a car that was so very poorly regarded in the 1980's and early 1990's. It would be much the same if MG Rover revived the Austin brand, and launched a car with the Allegro nameplate slapped onto it.

Gunfire
01-23-2005, 01:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MrMGMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fiat have always been absolutely CRAP at designing big cars. The last Croma was a joint project with Saab in the 1980's and produced the Saab 9000, Lancia Thema and Alfa Romeo 164, all talented executive contenders. Fiat got it very wrong even then and produced the spectacularly turgid Croma. I really can't believe they've revived the name of a car that was so very poorly regarded in the 1980's and early 1990's. It would be much the same if MG Rover revived the Austin brand, and launched a car with the Allegro nameplate slapped onto it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I sort of agree with this one (although old Croma was just plain, not ugly ---&gt; see new one!). A decent thing the old Croma had was that it was the first car to mount CommonRail Diesel Engines. <p>This is what the old Croma looked like: Former picture is from the first series (1985), latter from the most recent one(it went out of production in 1996!!)...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/croma_200.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/croma1xx.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>(Source: <A HREF="http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/croma.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/croma.html</A> <p>Can someone spot any relation with the new car?! Why resurrect the name!?<p>Furthermore:<br>Does Giugiaro REALLY need new spectacles? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> (I would have NEVER thought I'd say that one day)<p>What will it take to make FIAT build nicely designed cars??<p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Desperate Situation... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
01-23-2005, 06:47 PM
IMO the new croma doesn't deserve the criticism you all are giving it. okay, so the styling isn't the best out there, but it's not ugly. it's also based on the epsilon platform, which underpins many good cars (the chevy malibu; which, by the way, is the first midsizer from an american company that is competitive with the imports; the opel vectra; and the saab 9-3). overall this should be a pretty good car; let's just hope reliability doesn't screw it up.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV3 at 7:47 AM 1/24/2005</i>

Chicho
01-23-2005, 07:04 PM
I agree with you.<p>Reability poblems? Now theyre improve quality a lot and Fiat cars are like most. Actually its just lucky, i think.<br>

DoMiNo
01-24-2005, 02:32 AM
Chevy Malibu competitive with imports? What world do <I>you</I> live in?<p>However the light at the end of the tunnel for Fiat is that they've got the new Punto coming out! Oh... wait... no. Never mind. That one's awful too. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DoMiNo at 1:37 AM 1/24/2005</i>

Giannimann
01-24-2005, 03:25 AM
Hi all<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Have somewhere Pics from the Interieur?<p>Sincerly<p>Johannes<p>

SV
01-24-2005, 06:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chevy Malibu competitive with imports? What world do <I>you</I> live in?<p>However the light at the end of the tunnel for Fiat is that they've got the new Punto coming out! Oh... wait... no. Never mind. That one's awful too. <p><br><i>Modified by DoMiNo at 1:37 AM 1/24/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i'm talking about the current malibu. judging from the reviews i've read (consumer reports, car & driver, edmunds), the malibu is pretty capable. i trust consumer reports alot, and they tied it with the mazda6 and nissan altima in their ratings, and also rated it higher than any other american sedan.

Naga Royal Guard
01-24-2005, 06:58 AM
the new malibu is blocky looking, but its a very well built car; not as slick as a honda accord, but go sit in a pre-facelift impala and you can tell the difference <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Tommaso13
01-28-2005, 05:40 AM
<IMG SRC="http://sweb.cz/testpage/fiatcromauproad4wd6ag.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Gunfire
02-02-2005, 06:15 PM
Here you go for the <I>interieur</I> <p> <IMG SRC="http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/03Croma_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(Source: Quattroruote website)<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
02-02-2005, 07:01 PM
Is it sad that the only things I like about this car are the interior door panels? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
02-03-2005, 12:12 AM
I think the interior is extremely nice...

SV
02-03-2005, 06:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the interior is extremely nice...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>so do i, fiat seems to have taken big strides lately. i can't wait for everyone to say the chevy cavalier's interior was better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
02-03-2005, 07:05 AM
Looks different, I would have to examine the interior in person when it comes out, whenever that will be, I have no idea. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
02-21-2005, 06:04 PM
Here's another picture of interior on fiat croma<p><IMG SRC="http://img32.exs.cx/img32/8313/fiatcroma07s3qw.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img32.exs.cx/img32/1246/fiatcroma08s4la.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: autotitre.com<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gian05 at 1:09 PM 2/22/2005</i>

J-Gian
02-22-2005, 03:32 PM
It's impossible to see the pictures... I post those from <A HREF="http://www.autopareri.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autopareri.com</A><p><IMG SRC="http://img177.exs.cx/img177/4962/internocroma19pt.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img177.exs.cx/img177/8721/internocroma24ix.jpg" BORDER="0">

Gian86
02-22-2005, 05:43 PM
opps, i don't know why my pics are not avaliable. Thanks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

dio
02-24-2005, 03:44 PM
Man with no name said:<br><I>Fiat's cars are already old before being launched...<br>My opinion is that Fiat needs 10 years to launch a car instead of 4 years for all others car makers !</I><p>if those pictures have a VW logo instead of a Fiat logo that will make that car the most beautifull and sexy in the whole world... right???<p>and by the way... i dont think that you can found anybody around here that can teach Desing to Giugiaro.... but ok... have fun with your not funny vw <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>[ dio ]

Dan J.
02-24-2005, 05:00 PM
This is a nice looking interior but they went cheapo by leaving out the lock for the glovebox.

FRENCHY
02-26-2005, 01:39 AM
let's play now !!<p>Could one of you tell me ONE THING NEW this car will bring to the market ???<p>Do you think, the 450000 people who bought the first Croma who disappeared, ... oh dear ... 9 years ago, still own their car ?<p>Can we seriously think that these people who now own, laguna, passat, 406+7, even vectras, mondéos, will consider buying this Fiat ???<p>It's very funny to read that Fiat proudly remind us that 450.000 of the first Croma were sold !<p>Now that Toyota is about to represent 5 per cent of the european market, now that the French make good quality and good looking cars, now that so many monovolume and suv and 4*4 are on the market .... they think they will do it again ?<p>it's not funny in fact, it's stupid as everything Fiat did for years now<p>No family car during 9 years, two huge flops in two flourishing sector (multipla+stilo), a bad remake a their only recent success (punto 1), no more toys (No convertible new punto, no more Fiat Coupé (one of their best ever car), the prehistoric Barchetta fails to keep the faith alive .... and no new mini car, 20 years to replace the panda, no new 500 after having shown the very cute Trepiuno ... ouhhhhh<p>i said shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame; shame on you !!

jro4566
02-26-2005, 06:35 AM
Overall I like this car. The exterior reminds me of a Chinese car, but the interior definitely makes up for it.

MrMGMan
02-28-2005, 04:40 PM
Fiat's been at the 'Rover' pills. A fairly decent looking interior - certainly more attractive than the exterior - but spoiled by a few things:<p>The cheap, shiny looking fake wood (I assume its fake) liberally applied to the door panels, centre console and just above the glovebox, and the rather brittle looking black plastic used for the airvents.

summersun54
03-01-2005, 06:54 AM
has this car the the saab 9-3 electrics of the elipson plafrom it is based on ? thye saab esques ignition key..

iakovos
03-01-2005, 04:57 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/005.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...4.jpg</A><p>Maybe the FIAT Croma is not that pointless after all... I start to like it...<p>If it is good value, they may have a very interresting family car there<p>

Buster
03-01-2005, 05:39 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_geneva/croma/pages/IMG_1099.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...9.htm</A><p>The Croma looks so much better in blue.

J-Gian
03-02-2005, 05:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iakovos</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/005.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarlounge.net/ga...4.jpg</A><p>Maybe the FIAT Croma is not that pointless after all... I start to like it...<p>If it is good value, they may have a very interresting family car there<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Those are photos of the Croma 8ottoV, a prototype by Italdesign Giugiaro. <br>The motor is the V8 3.200 by Maserati<br>From <A HREF="http://www.quadrifoglio.ch" TARGET="_blank">http://www.quadrifoglio.ch</A><br><IMG SRC="http://www.quadrifoglio.ch/coppermine/albums/upload/2005/autosalon05/italhersteller/DSC00514.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.outrefranc.com/modeles/maserati/maserati_motore.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>

shifty
03-04-2005, 03:44 AM
To me croma looks like copy of old toyota avensis.<br><A HREF="http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=avensis5mb.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc...b.jpg</A>

shifty
03-04-2005, 03:48 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=avensis5mb.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2005/Fiat/005.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:34 AM 3/4/2005</i>

FRENCHY
03-07-2005, 09:29 AM
i spent my saturday in Geneva and i sat in and saw this new croma in the flesh ... <p>it IS not better in the flesh .. too high but not that roomy inside, a small boot in fact, divided in two parts (what for ? i don't know)<p>inside, no wood, even fake, it is paint !!! what a surprise !! no personality and nothing italian in this car ... yes , one thing is italian ... dredful vibrations of the door trim when you shut the door, some parts of the dashboard has already lost lost some of the "soft touch paint" (it's hard and grey under the beige soft paint ....)... after 3 days only....<br>another thing ... the whole design of the car finaly feels acceptable ... because of the beautiful wheels fitted on the exposed cars .<br>you'll probably want to know their size ? 19' !!!!<p>I can't wait to see the first Cromas in the streets with 16' or 17 ' wheels !! it is going to be a potato on wheels !!

spwolf
03-07-2005, 04:27 PM
Overall, I think most would agree it looks ok.<p>However, this is Europe, and car needs to look better than OK. Especially for Fiat who badly needs an hit car...<p>One question - is it so hard to realize that this car will NOT be an sucess? One look tells the whole story, now Fiat has some huge issues if in the whole darn company there is not an single person that will tell the same thing and make their voice heard.<p>Fiat is most certainly able to do much better things than poor variation bland...

Reppu
03-08-2005, 03:50 AM
All in all, they deserve what is happening to them. They just have not seemed to be able to create a hit car, something really good, for the last ten years.

iakovos
03-08-2005, 04:42 PM
I lot of bad management took place the last 10 years at FIAT , and it is only now they have sorted out the managment team and they have the determination to get it right.<p>Luca di Montezemolo and Sergio Marchionne who are leading FIAT, 2 years after the death of Agnieli are now making rapid changes to the entire company to get it back into profit.<p>The Croma may not do as badly as you think. It is a car aimed at the Italian family man who wants good quality, lots of space and value for money. Internal tests at FIAT show that the car is capable of achieving 5 stars in the euroNCAP crash test and they new FIAT-GM engines are<br>said to be very very reliable.<br>In short, the Croma can be a lot of car for your money. FIAT has learned that it is not style<br>that sells but reliability (Toyota) and build Quality (VW) and this car addressed both fronts.

summersun54
03-29-2005, 07:30 AM
I think Fiat are only looking to seel in the region of 20,000 a year.not a huge amount so it is not meant to be a volume player..who knows how it will do its a long time since there was a large fiat on the market and the stilo is not exactly flying off the forecourts.. <p>I wish Fiat mgt well in their endevors but really its the next punto and its varoius spinoffs that are presently crucial to their survival. also to get a production version of the trepuinio to the market ASAP and no more flaffing around small cars are FIATs future ..get them to the market and then work on the larger cars... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

iakovos
04-04-2005, 01:09 PM
Anyone knows when FIAT Croma goes on sale in Europe ?<p>BTW, the microsite in on, at <A HREF="http://www.fiatcroma.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fiatcroma.com</A>

carrera4
04-20-2005, 12:45 AM
official press presentation<br>article:<br><A HREF="http://www.quattroruote.it/auto/MondoAuto/attualita/visualizza_articolo.cfm?codice=35190&canaleuscita=-1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.quattroruote.it/aut...ta=-1</A><br>gallery:<br><A HREF="http://www.quattroruote.it/auto/MondoAuto/attualita/visualizza_articolo.cfm?codice=35190&pagina=41656&canaleuscita=-1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.quattroruote.it/aut...ta=-1</A>

FRENCHY
04-20-2005, 11:43 AM
As i said before ... this is a potato on wheels ... no style, nothing italian in this thing, it's bland.... it's a shame ! a new punto and a new stilo like this ugly thing and we will sadly say "good bye Fiat " as we sadly say now to Rover ...<br>i'm very sad because Italian know how to succeed some times, but it seems there is a malediction for Fiat these days ...<br>am i the only one angry about those people who are killing Fiat ?????

iakovos
04-20-2005, 12:20 PM
I think you miss something about this car...<p>A) it has the size of Subaru Forester (i.e. it is a lot bigger than it looks like)<br>B) it will cost low D-segment money, 20K+ euro , which is cheap.<br>C) It will have one of the best diesels ever 2.4 5cyl 200 BHP<br>D) Good aerodynamics cd 0.28<br>E) 9 Airbags.... (yes nine)<p>so, in short it makes for a good no-frills family car, with good quality, loads of room and safety.<br>

J-Gian
04-21-2005, 04:38 PM
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iakovos
05-24-2005, 02:51 PM
FIAT Croma goes on sale<p>prices and "build your own" just appeared on<br><A HREF="http://www.fiat.it" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fiat.it</A>

Aidan
09-07-2005, 02:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>odic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> wont give all info here, only the brand new site, you can check it out there<br><A HREF="http://www.fiatcroma.com/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fiatcroma.com/index.htm</A><p>cya<p></TD></TR></TABLE>

CosworthKid
09-09-2005, 05:02 AM
[QUOTE=FRENCHY]As i said before ... this is a potato on wheels ... no style, nothing italian in this thing, it's bland.... it's a shame ! a new punto and a new stilo like this ugly thing and we will sadly say "good bye Fiat " as we sadly say now to Rover ...<br>QUOTE]<p>This is your personal opinion and i respect it, many ppl would agree with you. Personally i think the Croma does not look bland nor boring. Yes, it is more conservatively styled than most new cars but that does not make it look ugly. Bare in mind that some people like their cars to have subtle design and in some countries people actually demand it. Also remember that people over the age of 50 also buy family-styled cars...also people under the age of 40 who again want more coservative designs. We cant expect all new cars to be made according to what younger people want or according to what looks hot and youthful. Take the Peugeot 407 for example: a lot of people i know find very weird and wouldnt feel confortable driving it..yes, its mostly the older or very serious type of person but still...those people exist too. As far as the Croma not looking Italian i also dissagree with that, it has a lot of classy Italian touches on it and it also looks very contemporary(in a conservative way). Not all Italian cars look like Alfa Romeos or Ferrari!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">