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Charger
01-10-2005, 01:56 PM
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Player4
01-10-2005, 02:04 PM
<B>Honda Ridgeline Truck Unveiled at 2005 North American International Auto Show</B><br>All-new 4WD Honda truck will debut as 2006 model <p><br><I>Detroit 01/10/2005 -- <p>The Honda Ridgeline truck made its world debut today at the 2005 North American International Auto Show as American Honda Motor Co., Inc., announced plans for the launch of its innovative new truck at Honda dealerships nationwide in March of this year as a 2006 model. <p>Developed as a next generation truck, the Ridgeline takes advantage of an innovative new truck body construction and a steel reinforced composite bed to deliver true truck capabilities including half-ton hauling and 5,000-pound towing, along with next-generation truck styling, performance and packaging. The Ridgeline boasts the pickup truck segment's first four-wheel, fully independent suspension system combined with an advanced fully automatic four-wheel drive system to deliver superior ride and handling versus traditional truck designs, and a number of exclusive new features including a Dual-Action tailgate and the industry's first In-Bed Trunk(TM).<p>"The truck market is evolving and we think Ridgeline is at the leading edge of the trend," said kazzoo Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "The Honda Ridgeline delivers all the capabilities of a truck with none of the traditional truck trade-offs. It combines Honda innovation, Honda engineering and Honda's commitment to environmental and safety leadership in a next generation truck package."<p>Highlights of the new Ridgeline truck include:<p>- Fully Integrated Closed Box Frame with unit body construction <br>- Next-generation styling with integrated cab and bed <br>- Steel reinforced composite bed with dual action tailgate and In-Bed Trunk <br>- Half-ton (1,100-pound) bed loading capability <br>- 255-horsepower 3.5-liter SOHC VTEC V-6 engine <br>- Standard 5,000 lb. towing capability <br>- Independent front and rear suspension <br>- Advanced VTM-4WD four-wheel-drive system <br>- Standard Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) and Traction Control <br>- Standard side curtain airbags with rollover sensor, front side airbags and ABS with Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD)<p><br><B>Fully-Integrated Closed Box Frame</B><p>Honda engineers developed a new truck body construction, a fully integrated truck frame with two longitudinal frame rails and seven high-strength steel cross members that create a fully boxed, deep channel, ladder frame structure fully integrated into the upper body of the vehicle. Body bending rigidity is more than 2.5 times stiffer than the best performing body-on-frame compact truck competitor and rear torsion rigidity is more than 20 times stiffer. Fully 93 percent of the Ridgeline's frame components are exclusive to this model.<p><B>Steel Reinforced Composite Bed with In-Bed Trunk and Dual-Action Tailgate</B><p>For hauling, the Ridgeline features a steel reinforced, five-foot, composite truck bed (6.5 feet with the tailgate down) designed to carry up to a half-ton of cargo. An exclusive new Dual Action tailgate features a high-strength steel frame and has the ability to flip down or swing out, providing easier access for loading and unloading of bulky cargo or loose materials such as gravel or mulch. Designed as the hub for Honda motorcycle, marine and power equipment product activity, the Ridgeline can haul a full-size ATV or two of Honda's largest off-road motorcycles. Due to its wide bed and minimal wheel arch intrusion, the Ridgeline can also carry 4-foot wide sheets of building material flat on the floor, something no other compact or mid-size truck can do. <p>Incorporated into the floor of the bed is one of the Ridgeline's most innovative new features: an In-Bed Trunk. Accessed by lifting up the hinged rear portion of the bed floor, the In-Bed Trunk features 8.5 cu.-ft. of secure, lockable and water resistant storage space. The spare tire is stored in a sliding tray inside the trunk and can accommodate a full-size spare tire.<p><B>Next-generation Powertrain</B><p>The Ridgeline's powertrain is designed for excellent all-around performance, including towing, with class-leading fuel economy and ultra-low (ULEV) emissions. Its high-output, 3.5-liter VTEC V-6 engine produces 255 horsepower and 252 lb.-ft. of torque. Unique in the class, the Ridgeline provides a standard 5-speed automatic transmission and fully automatic four-wheel drive system. <p>The Ridgeline's standard Variable Torque Management 4-Wheel Drive System (VTM-4WD) is designed for excellent all-weather handling, traction and off-road ability, and can transfer up to 70 percent of available torque to the rear wheels. The Ridgeline delivers EPA-rated fuel economy of 16/21 for city/highway driving and is the first pickup to meet stringent Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle (ULEV) standards in all 50 states.<p><B>Honest 5,000-pound Towing</B><p>In addition, the Ridgeline was designed to handle the kinds of towing and off-road duties most common to truck users. The Ridgeline has a long list of standard equipment geared for towing duties including transmission and power steering coolers, pre-wiring for trailer connections, a dual fan radiator, heavy-duty brakes and an exclusive fresh air intake system. This gives Ridgeline the ability to tow 5,000-pound loads with two passengers and their cargo, with only the addition of a trailer hitch.<p><B>Spacious and Versatile 5-passenger interior</B><p>Inside, the Ridgeline boasts a spacious, five-passenger cabin with interior space similar to that of a full-size truck, including the most generous rear seat legroom for a four-door pickup. The versatile second-row bench has storage space under the seat large enough to hold a set of golf clubs or other oversized items, and features a 60/40-split lift-up rear seat allowing for storage of even bulkier items like a full-size mountain bike. With its improved packaging efficiency, Ridgeline delivers all this space and utility in a more maneuverable and garage-friendly mid-size truck package. Other interior highlights include large and easy to manipulate audio and HVAC controls, a steering-column mounted shift lever and an available voice-activated navigation system.<p><B>Safety Leadership</B><p>In keeping with Honda's industry-leading "Safety for Everyone" initiative, all Ridgeline models come equipped with a long list of standard safety features including 4-wheel anti-lock brakes with Electronic Brake Distribution, side curtain airbags with rollover sensor and Vehicle Stability Assist with Traction Control. Unit body construction allows for dispersion of collision forces through more load bearing channels than a traditional body-on-frame design.<p><B>North American Development and Production</B><p>Honda R&D Americas' Ohio and Los Angeles Centers were responsible for the design and development of the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline is Honda R&D Americas' fourth light truck development following the Acura MDX, Honda Pilot and Honda Element. Production of the Ridgeline will be done by Honda of Canada Manufacturing. This is the fourth exclusive new light truck model launch by Honda's Alliston, Ontario, plant, beginning with the previous generation Odyssey and followed by the MDX and Pilot.<p>The Ridgeline will be available in three well-equipped trim levels, the RT, RT-S and RT-L. Standard features on all models will include a 5-speed automatic transmission; VTM-4WD; Vehicle Stability Assist with Traction Control; side curtain airbags; ABS with EBD; power windows, mirrors and locks; air conditioning; cruise control; lockable In-Bed Trunk; Dual Action tailgate and towing package. Pricing is not yet finalized, but is expected to be in the range of $27,000 to $32,000. Approximately 50,000 trucks are expected to be sold in the first 12 months.<p>Additional media information and photography is available at <A HREF="http://www.hondanews.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hondanews.com</A>. Consumer information is available at <A HREF="http://www.honda.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.honda.com</A>.<br></I><p><br><B>Releases:</B> <A HREF="http://hondanews.com/catID2137?view=t&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://hondanews.com/catID2137?view=t&page=1</A><br><B>Features:</B> <A HREF="http://hondanews.com/CatID2139?mid=2005011039475&mime=asc" TARGET="_blank">http://hondanews.com/CatID2139...e=asc</A><br><B>Specifications:</B> <A HREF="http://hondanews.com/CatID2140?mid=2005011039339&mime=asc" TARGET="_blank">http://hondanews.com/CatID2140...e=asc</A><br><B>Images:</B> <A HREF="http://hondanews.com/CatID2141?view=p&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://hondanews.com/CatID2141?view=p&page=1</A><br><B>Videos:</B> <A HREF="http://hondanews.com/CatID2135?mid=2005011040856&mime=asc" TARGET="_blank">http://hondanews.com/CatID2135...e=asc</A><p><br>Source: <A HREF="http://www.HondaNews.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.HondaNews.com</A><br>

sono81
01-10-2005, 02:06 PM
The sides of the bed are way too high! Besides that I like it

Player4
01-10-2005, 02:15 PM
I like this truck very much, and with the industry firsts im sure thats gonan get alot of attention just like the 1999 Odyssey did when it came out with the 3rd row Magic Seat. It has the biggest 2nd row legroom. Maybe its underpowered well its got the Odysseys engine and that was weird because i thought they were gonna put in the RL's enigine with 300hp etc.. <p>The styling is not as bad as i thought, i expedted it to be worse. But if i could make some changes those woould include the wheels change the design and make them bigger and also maybe some touches on the interior. I like that its a truck styling that is unique and its not like anyhting else on the road today.<p>All i have to say is Good Job Honda!! <p>I cant wait to see it in person!!!!

Outlander
01-10-2005, 02:25 PM
This things gonna sell really well with the folks that want a truck, but are never gonna use it to really haul anything. i.e the growing number of new truck buyers. I would say that Honda is gonna hit a home run. I think I might even get my cheque book out. I think its pretty cool.<p>Still has a stupid name though.

boston
01-10-2005, 02:50 PM
I don't see conquest sales from Frontier/Tacoma/Sportrack types. Round here the Element is clearly not in (its element) and rarely seen. <br>This is going to be the pound puppy that nobody likes

RuneSpyder
01-10-2005, 02:53 PM
Nobody really seems to mention the fact that this thing looks like a 3/4 sized Avalanche and that it's OBVIOUS Honda stole some of it's styling cues.

Outlander
01-10-2005, 03:00 PM
RuneSpyder, I see what you are saying about the styling. But I think it will look better on a mid-size rather than a full-size. But one thing the Honda will have going for it is that it won't be a gas swilling, unreliable tank like the Chevy is.

megadethmartyr
01-10-2005, 03:17 PM
Honda Exec:<br>"I would like to introduce the Ridgeline!"<p>*promptly goes and hides knowing they just introduced the most useless truck to ever come to market. Realizes as well they are using GM styling cues which makes them more boring than Honda's usually boring styling*

1966_GTO_
01-10-2005, 03:21 PM
I think Honda did enough to distinguish the Ridgeline from the Avalanche. I'll take the Avalanche over this any day. The grill is ugle and the way the rear quarter starts high and slopes down looks rediculous. Nice try, but Honda missed big on this one.

AXIS
01-10-2005, 03:36 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> Wouldn't it make more sense to have the tailgate swing down as opposed to sideways? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
01-10-2005, 03:55 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> looks like a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0"> The front looks good and if the high line of the bed were lower it would look better and probably more functional becuase then you could put a big peice of wood flat instead of it on a slant

anonms
01-10-2005, 03:57 PM
A side-opening tailgate?

Player4
01-10-2005, 04:05 PM
Heres how the tailgate works.<p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011040578_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011040640_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011040599_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011040619_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>And this is the In-Bed Trunk<p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011046753_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011039086_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011039108_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011039130_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i.tnpv.us/pv/2005/01/10/HON2005011039151_pv.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Player4 at 6:14 PM 1/10/2005</i>

Fangorious Reborn
01-10-2005, 05:18 PM
the wheels look so tiny......

Dan J.
01-10-2005, 05:18 PM
I l ike some of the new features the trunk in the bed idea is a good one. It looks better in the red color than silver but I'm still not a fan of the overall design. I 'm sure it will sell well and be reliable it is a Honda after all. Time will tell if the American public likes it?

DrPetrus
01-11-2005, 02:02 AM
Is this an american-only product or will it be sold in Europe as well?

TeeDi
01-11-2005, 03:57 AM
I don't like that at all!!. It look's too much like a Chevrolet Pickup. I think it will take people a while to get used to a Honda Pickup, like me.<p>I'm too used to Honda producing small car's, family car's and SUV's.<p>

Dodger
01-11-2005, 06:27 AM
What is the deal with the tailgate not meeting up with the side of the bed? It looks unfinished that way. Even though the styling is nothing groundbreaking, people are still going to buy this. I think it will be distinctive on the road and people who want a midsize and not a regular old truck will buy it. It looks the best in the red color.

syclone
01-11-2005, 09:04 AM
it looks... hungry.<p>i think honda is on the right track, but the honda logo just looks weird on the back of it. i think a new logo and typeface for their trucks might actually help that. perception can go a long way.

fubar
01-11-2005, 10:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fangorious Reborn</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the wheels look so tiny......</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do you expect, it's a Honda.

spwolf
01-11-2005, 04:07 PM
Does anyone knows what kind of sales are they expecting from this? If they say 50,000, that would be slightly pushing it but doable but anything more than that is laughable per my opinion....

megadethmartyr
01-12-2005, 03:57 PM
I love the little placement ads for it I have seen on a few auto site. One actually used the word "rugged". HAHAHAHAHA! I truly hopw they don't try and use that as a marketing tool. That thing is as "rugged" a Geo Metro (okay it's a strech, but you get the idea)

_PiCASSO_
01-24-2005, 06:52 PM
Not sure if you can see this image taken by my friend:<p>[UPDATED: Will host the image myself... so much for dotphoto]<br><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/tribus-HondaRidgeline.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>But this Honda is HIDEOUS! It looks like Pontiac Aztecs close cousin...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by _PiCASSO_ at 3:40 AM 1/25/2005</i>

anonms
01-24-2005, 07:10 PM
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Naga Royal Guard
01-24-2005, 07:12 PM
hah, wonder what the GPS screen in a BMW says: <p><i><br>..Cheat on Boss' EX...<p>..Cheat on Friend's EX...<p>..Cheat on My own EX...</i>

The Water Is Poison
01-24-2005, 07:29 PM
Only thing I like about this car is taht it has a watertight trunk under the bed.

JBlair
01-24-2005, 08:59 PM
They claim the tailgate design is new, but I believe they are 'forgetting' the fact that the bad Envoy XUV had it first. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by JBlair at 10:25 PM 1/24/2005</i>

Soul Man
01-24-2005, 09:33 PM
actually im pretty sure ford offered it first back in the day on one of its wagons (i want to say country squire) first, but i could be getting my facts confused.

KaRaceR
01-25-2005, 09:44 AM
i really like that i think that it is better than the new H3

spwolf
01-25-2005, 08:13 PM
Well I just read that they are expection 50k sales per year, with possibilites of up to 80k. 50k seems allrite - seems like something thats niche enough to be doable.<br>It is not something to oppose normal pickup trucks though.<p>I just dont get its primary public - why would you buy an pickup that aint a pickup?<br>Its is not that poweful either, it is not that big but it is fairly heavy...<p>I dont get it. Why not build an real pickup?

megadethmartyr
01-25-2005, 08:33 PM
Nissan had high sales hopes of the Titan too...

Naga Royal Guard
01-25-2005, 09:22 PM
nissan ( rather Goshen) has mice running around in his head

Cozz
01-26-2005, 05:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Outlander</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RuneSpyder, I see what you are saying about the styling. But I think it will look better on a mid-size rather than a full-size. But one thing the Honda will have going for it is that it won't be a gas swilling, <b>unreliable tank like the Chevy is</b>.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Really?, I'm not a Chevy fan at all but I thought the trucks is what kept them from being a lot lower in JDPA. I have worked on tons of them and never heard of anyone having issues.

Cozz
01-26-2005, 05:52 AM
PS. This thing looks like crap. Copy of Chevy with Isuzu styling. Those doors remind me of Isuzu.

Andre
01-26-2005, 03:05 PM
Carlos Ghosn is his name<p>And the Titan is actually doing very well now, it just got off to a bad start because the Redneck americans weren't willing to give up the keys to their Old Chevys.

spwolf
01-26-2005, 05:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Carlos Ghosn is his name<p>And the Titan is actually doing very well now, it just got off to a bad start because the Redneck americans weren't willing to give up the keys to their Old Chevys.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, not really. Sales went up - incentives, different models (lower base pricing) but not a lot. Certainly, they are still a lot less than what Nissan expected and only reason is not that "rednecks" dont like import trucks. Thundra, an 5 yr old model now, sold 40% better than Titan. Nissan did not hit an home run with this one and is still selling at 20% less than what their estimates were.<p>On the other hand, Quest has been distaster... sales dropped off even while they scrambled to do every trick on the books to boost them. Quest is now selling at only 35% what their lower estimates were... There has to be a lot of free production time in that factory!<p>What Honda did is built an niche car with "low" estimated sales. I really dont believe they built an new car with only 50,000 sales in mind (per year), I bet thats their shareholder excape tactics :-). We will see, it is not as awful as an Quest, but is it as good as Titan is in its category? hm.

turbonium959
01-26-2005, 07:24 PM
Well, I would disagree with some who say that this will sell. It will, but not for long. I believe its going to suffer the same way Element does right now. However, I do agree with some about styling. It look just like the Avalanche, only a bit smaller. And as far as hauling, I would not want to haul much with this truck. It only has a V-6 that makes 255bhp, and can only haul 5000lbs. Jeep Liberty can haul 5000lbs with the V-6 making only 210bhp. Also, Nissan V-6 in Pathfinder and Frontier have more power, and haul a lot more. And its a shame really Honda never developed a good V-8 like Toyota and Nissan did. I think Honda has no chance at all with this truck getting into the same category with the Big Three trucks, as well as trucks from Nissan and Toyota. If you want to sell trucks/SUVs, you need a full line-up, and that is what Honda does not have.

Player4
01-29-2005, 02:20 PM
High Resolution Pictures:<p>2006 Honda Ridgeline Photo Gallery<br><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=314670" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...14670</A><p>2006 Honda Ridgeline Photo Gallery Page 2<br><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=316115" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/articles/v...16115</A><p>Several Photos from '06 Ridgeline Press Intro (High-Res)<br><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=323704" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...23704</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.vtec.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net</A>

ToronadoGT
01-29-2005, 02:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They claim the tailgate design is new, but I believe they are 'forgetting' the fact that the bad Envoy XUV had it first. <p><br><i>Modified by JBlair at 10:25 PM 1/24/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, the '63 Studebaker Wagonarie had it first (along with the XUV's rear roof)... and that was some 35+ years ago! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

ToronadoGT
01-29-2005, 02:34 PM
Will this truck be a best-seller for Honda? Probably. Will it steal sales from the Ford Ranger and possibly the Chevy Colorado. It could. Will it be able to haul a large trailer or your ATVs or Ski-Doos? No. Will it steal sales from the Dodge Ram and Ford F-150? Not in this lifetime pal! <p>This Honda, being based on a paltry minivan-sourced platform, will not be able to haul anything if you don't select the top of the line model with AWD. (FWD vehichles have trouble hauling anything up a hill, let alone the grade of a speed bump.) It doesn't have a V-8, so real truck affectionados will not buy this thing, they'll only run past them with the noses (and mullets, probably) held high in the air. I think everything but the drivetrain works with this Honda. Back to the drawing board, Honda.

RENCO
01-29-2005, 09:16 PM
What is a 1100 lb bed loading capability? Its not the payload, thats 1549 lb.

RENCO
02-03-2005, 06:37 PM
Price released<p><A HREF="http://hondanews.com/CatID2135?mid=2005020356829" TARGET="_blank">http://hondanews.com/CatID2135?mid=2005020356829</A>

nismo
02-03-2005, 09:44 PM
$27k is a little steap for this, what were they thinking? I doubt this truck will have a second gen... it'll probably just fade in and out of the market.

islandbeef
02-04-2005, 10:46 AM
I wonder if it comes with a grenade launcher? :)<p>IB Out

Andre
02-04-2005, 06:40 PM
Insane Diego, LMAO<p>This is actually one city I could see people buying this truck in. Lord knows the Element and PT cruiser have done way too well, there isn't much you need a "real" truck for except for construction sites and areas like Ramona, (Red Neck Capitol of the County <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) and Riverside. Beyond that, a lot of people have more money than they know what to do with.<p>Welcome IslandBeef

TeeVeeR
02-06-2005, 06:24 PM
Hmmm. this car is a paradox. On one hand, it's a Honda, which means good quality stuff. On the other hand, it's not that attractive, on the outside atleast. We all know Honda can design a better car [new civics look nice]. I like Honda's, but I don't see this as a big seller for them.

1966_GTO_
02-06-2005, 08:31 PM
I saw the Ridgeline in person today at the Philly Auto Show. It didn't look any better in person, but it seems to be well built and practical. I wouldn't buy one, but I don't think it will have trouble selling.

LEXUS FAN!
02-07-2005, 10:03 PM
i saw the first commericals during the super bowl...and I REALLY like them...they're design is original and beautiful<p>the front is awesome...i love the grille

Blackraven
02-07-2005, 10:48 PM
It's a big vehicle (well, this is what I can expect from American-style vehicles).<p>This truck should replace the old 60s pickup trucks that Iraqi terrorists are using right now. <p><br>I don't know if I'll ever like it. At most 50:50. Perhaps due to its size and bulkiness. This is also probably the reason why I think the Ford Expedition is too damn huge on Philippine roads and should be removed/scrapped from Ford Philippines' vehicle line-up. <p>Big-size cars like those mentioned above should only stay in North America (US and Canada) and have no place elsewhere. <p><br>Mid-size vehicles are still okay such as the Honda Element and Ford Explorer for they can still fit on our local parking spaces. Those cars can stay here in PH.<p>

Santeno
04-06-2005, 10:39 AM
Here is a BRUISING review of the ridgeline from Edmunds:<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=105241?tid=edmunds.h..insideline.promo.2 g.*#3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...g.*#3</A>

megadethmartyr
04-06-2005, 11:08 AM
Once again, this is not a truck. It doesn't matter how you package it, it's not a truck, at least (at the risk of sounding sexist) a man's truck.

AM2
04-06-2005, 12:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a big vehicle (well, this is what I can expect from American-style vehicles).<p>This truck should replace the old 60s pickup trucks that Iraqi terrorists are using right now. <p><br>I don't know if I'll ever like it. At most 50:50. Perhaps due to its size and bulkiness. This is also probably the reason why I think the Ford Expedition is too damn huge on Philippine roads and should be removed/scrapped from Ford Philippines' vehicle line-up. <p>Big-size cars like those mentioned above should only stay in North America (US and Canada) and have no place elsewhere. <p><br>Mid-size vehicles are still okay such as the Honda Element and Ford Explorer for they can still fit on our local parking spaces. Those cars can stay here in PH.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Blackraven, for a pickup its not as big as you think it is... not unless you consider the Toyota Hilux huge.<br>Its similar to the size of the Hilux but is about 4 inches wider.<p>Honda Ridgeline<br>Dimensions:<br>Length: 206.8 in<br>Width: 76.3 in<br>Height: 71.2 in<br>Wheelbase: 122.0 in<p>2005 Toyota Hilux<br>Dimensions:<br>Length: 206.9 in<br>Width: 72.25 in<br>Height: 71.25 in<br>Wheelbase: 121.5 in<p>By the way, the Honda Element is a compact... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

kevinb120
04-08-2005, 11:10 PM
Its hard to say if Americans will go for something this silly looking who wish to get into the truck-sized vehicle market. With all the 'real' trucks with crew-cab variants from just about every other major automaker, and the great looking 06 Sport trac on the way(not to mention the plethora of crossovers), I highly doubt this will make any noticeable dent in the truck market #'s. I still don't understand buyers of the Element, everyone's favorite 'point-and-laugh vehicle now that the Aztek is gone, so I guess SOMEONE may buy it???. This thing makes an Avalanche look kinda-sorta decent <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
04-09-2005, 01:26 AM
It's hard not to concede that the styling on the Ridgeline and Element are...questionable. But if I may, something needs to be said about these cars and probably Hondas in general: They are built from the inside out. Engineering and smart design first. <p>The Ridgeline is simply a brilliant innovation in pickup engineering and packaging. Having driven one extensively, I can tell you that NOTHING in the pickup market handles like it. No pogo-jiggle, no porpoising. Just a normal, car-like sporty ride. And the odd looking thick pillars: Those are a functional necessity. Without added reinforcement, a unibody pickup that can actually take corners is not possible. The open box out back has to be reinforced.<p>Same thing with Element - Once you get how flexible the inside is, you get why it's so ugly on the outside. There IS a reason it's so boxy, after all: Pure functionality. It doesn't suit everyone, but then it isn't supposed to.

megadethmartyr
04-09-2005, 01:33 AM
It's not a functional truck. I not even sure I feel comfortable calling it a truck. Until Honda learns truck buyer want V8 or V6 with some grunt, a suspension that can handle TRUCK duties, they aren't going to be a player in this segment. REAL trucks could give a crap about mother earth. Unless Honda decides to get serious, they should call this a lesson learned and just stop it.

Uberwagon
04-09-2005, 02:04 AM
So you're suggesting that a truck (okay "vehicle") with more functional storage and luxury than they know what to do with, that carries five passengers and two motorcycles, tows 5000 lbs., that they can't keep in stock, is selling for sticker and is bringing non-Honda buyers into the franchise for the first time should just be stopped? <p>Wow. Genius. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Uberwagon at 2:17 AM 4/9/2005</i>

megadethmartyr
04-09-2005, 10:38 AM
I assure you a typical truck buyer won't even blink at this thing. Turck buys don't care about a car like sporty ride, they something that has power, ability to go where ever they might need it to go, things the Honda doesn't have. But if you must call it a truck, I must find a female versino of the word truck so it is appropriate. Oh, I got it, Ridgeline.

Lakeshow23
04-09-2005, 04:21 PM
Why is it that Isuzu gets rocked in many reviews for having side opening tailgates on Troopers, but I'll betcha Honda will get praised for side opening tails. I'll be checking these reviews closely...

spwolf
04-09-2005, 06:17 PM
well it certainly wont make dent in pickup sales since their sales goals are so low. So it might fill out some niche that they were looking to fill.<p>Element is facing lower sales though, and has been steadly dropping month by month, so it is hardly doing good...

Uberwagon
04-09-2005, 09:01 PM
Mega, you clearly haven't driven it. If you had, you'd know that it's a LOT more competent than it's odd looks and brand name might indicate. As spywolf said, it's a niche product. It's not meant to topple the F-150. It's made for an urban/suburban professional making around $90k who commutes, goes snowboarding in the Sierras and picks up home improvement stuff at Home Depot on the weekend. If you live in the middle of Nebraska, where drivers are EXTREMELY dogmatic about domestic trucks, you simply may not see the opportunity for different kinds of trucks and mindset of different buyers that exists in other parts of the country. <p>I'm driving one all next week. Will share a review if anyone's interested.

kevinb120
04-10-2005, 08:07 AM
It's interesting to see a vehicle you have to try to figure out how you could possibly justify it being the right one over all the others. I love all the talk about 'innovation' from Honda where they cant even make a dedicated platfrom for anything other then just rehashing the civic and accord..... I don't think any company has ever been so universaly <I>overrated</I>. They have a civic right now that fell out of populartity with the youth buyers and a blandly styled accord thats winning no hearts right now. Honda needs an injection of style and innovation fast. Sticking nav units in compact cars is not innovative.

SV
04-10-2005, 08:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kevinb120</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's interesting to see a vehicle you have to try to figure out how you could possibly justify it being the right one over all the others. I love all the talk about 'innovation' from Honda where they cant even make a dedicated platfrom for anything other then just rehashing the civic and accord..... I don't think any company has ever been so universaly <I>overrated</I>. They have a civic right now that fell out of populartity with the youth buyers and a blandly styled accord thats winning no hearts right now. Honda needs an injection of style and innovation fast. Sticking nav units in compact cars is not innovative.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>there are a lot of people that would disagree with you, me being one of them. however, one thing that i think is overrated about hondas is the interior quality. sure, it's above-average, but apart from the accord, all their cars have hard-plastic dashboards (if i remember correctly when i sat in them at an autoshow). i just rode in an acura MDX the other day, and it had a hard plastic dash. i know, it's a minor detail to quibble about, but in a $30,000+ car you'd think they could put in a nice soft dashboard like all of its competitors.<p>otherwise though, hondas are very capable cars, and they are innovative despite what you may think. honda is one of the best engine-makers in the world for one thing, and they're also leaders in hydrogen and hybrid technology.

VexedandGlorious
04-10-2005, 03:04 PM
i agree and disagree, hondas are only "bland"(iyo) in america, in europe and asian, they are very exciting and wierd lookingcars, the european Accord makes the american on look like a sissy and make it oil its sheetmetal.

Lakeshow23
04-10-2005, 05:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Graffititech</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the european Accord makes the american on look like a sissy and make it oil its sheetmetal.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>IMO, I'd trust a Honda for reliability. No doubt. But it's a tossup between Honda and Toyota for boring designs (Toyota greatly improved this the last two years), and Honda has gotta take the cake in terms of OVERpriced cars. The best looking Honda out, right now, under 30k is the Accord Coupe. Too bad my neighbor spent nearly 30k... for the <b>4 banger!!!</b>. Yes it has leather, yes it's fully loaded and sexy... but VTEC just ain't good enough for that price range. I'd argue my neighbor was ripped off. And Civics are also overpriced.

megadethmartyr
04-10-2005, 09:22 PM
You mean you wouldn't pay nearly $20K for a Civic? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

dopey1
04-16-2005, 10:38 PM
I would never buy a Civic..the Mazda 3 is just so much sportier, at least styling wise. Its interior is just incredible, the civic's interior is so ancient... and the plastics are crap... I don't know why people praise Honda's interior quality so much, their stuff is as bad as GM's and GM's isn't even that bad anymore, as evident in the Cobalt ( the G6 and the Malibu plastics are rubbermaid-looking still).

anonms
04-17-2005, 09:56 AM
After sitting in a Ridgeline (inside a dealership while my mom's CRV was getting it's first oil change *please no CRV fire....*), The Ridge'ine's interior sucks.<p>The interior in my mom's CRV is quite nice, same for the Odyssey. However, the Ridgeline had better not be a sign of things to come. The dash is pretty much an expanse of style-less hard plastic. It makes the Camry's dash look sleek and sexy.

anonms
04-17-2005, 09:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You mean you wouldn't pay nearly $20K for a Civic? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My mom wanted to pay $21K for a Civic hybrid instead of $27K for a Prius (I was on her side until I found out that the Prius in particular was fully loaded).

the_saint
04-22-2005, 01:03 AM
I love hondas<br>but I really think they should have spent more time improving their current lineup instead of creating this ugly truck.

Vector
04-22-2005, 10:02 AM
I have worked with Honda in the past. They made this truck because their core segments are eroding. People do not buy sedans, hatchbacks and coupes like they once did. Trucks are a growing segment and one that makes much more money. It may be ugly but people are buying them.

ndjan
04-22-2005, 10:54 AM
The Camry's interior is hugely regarded as being a pretty classy place to be. <p><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Toyota/100395315" BORDER="0"><p>As for the Ridgeline, I think it looks attractive enough, especially for a pickup, but the center sliding console is chintzy and complex.

the_saint
04-22-2005, 10:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vector</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have worked with Honda in the past. They made this truck because their core segments are eroding. People do not buy sedans, hatchbacks and coupes like they once did. Trucks are a growing segment and one that makes much more money. It may be ugly but people are buying them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What are you talking about?<br>Sedan sales, coupes etc are still up. Honda had an all time record in passenger car sales last year; even Daimler Chrysler did very well with the 300C sedan. If honda wants to enter the truck market then maybe they should make a real truck which the ridgeline is not.<p>Maybe the reason their core segments are eroding is because their designs have remained Dull and insipid for the last 10 years.

JBlair
04-22-2005, 11:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the_saint</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What are you talking about?<br>Sedan sales, coupes etc are still up. Honda had an all time record in passenger car sales last year; even Daimler Chrysler did very well with the 300C sedan. If honda wants to enter the truck market then maybe they should make a real truck which the ridgeline is not.<p>Maybe the reason their core segments are eroding is because their designs have remained Dull and insipid for the last 10 years.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, sales of the Civic were down so much that Honda had to institute incentives to try and get sales up. Sales of the Accord were also down, at least compared with previous years.

nismo
04-22-2005, 01:01 PM
Yep, the Civic sales are down and the Accord sales are flat... Thats why the next Civic is suppose to be more stylish and have more character and the Accord will have a new rear end for model year 2006. Sorry but lets not compare the cobalt to the Civic... though its a vast improvement compared to the Cavalier it fails in comparison to the Civic. I went to check the Cobalt out and the interior was hard as a rock, though I must say well designed. <p>SUV and Truck sales have come to a stand still, its not going nor down. So manufactures actually have to make them nice to win market share... As much as I don't understand the Ridgeline it definately is selling well in my area..

Vector
04-22-2005, 02:11 PM
Saint, your information is incorrect. Honda and others are struggling to sell sedans. 300C is an exception. Others on this board have pointed out that sedans no longer sell at profit too. Trucks are well-known to make more money which has sustained the domestic companies. Most manufacturers are changing their business models to reflect this. Honda is slow to market but is adapting by introducing Ridgeline.

the_saint
04-22-2005, 05:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vector</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Saint, your information is incorrect. Honda and others are struggling to sell sedans. 300C is an exception. Others on this board have pointed out that sedans no longer sell at profit too. Trucks are well-known to make more money which has sustained the domestic companies. Most manufacturers are changing their business models to reflect this. Honda is slow to market but is adapting by introducing Ridgeline. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1007?mid=2005010455134&mime=asc" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hondanews.com/CatID...e=asc</A><p>No my info is not incorrect sedan sells are doing just fine..<br>Yes honda may be doing badly in civic sales but that has nothing to do with the sedan or coupe market. that has to do with there high price for an outdated design. <br>Toyota and nissan car sales are also doing fine so I guess they are both exceptions just like the 300c?<p>I am not trying to debate the issue all I am saying your statement about "sedans, hatchbacks and coupes not selling like they once did and people are getting trucks" is incorrect. yeah some manufactures are going down in sales but that has nothing to do with people shifting over to trucks. maybe you meant to say "hondas sedans, hatchbacks and coupes are not selling like they once did" <p>and if honda really wanted to enter the truck segment maybe they should have built a real truck something big like the titan. this thing is not aimmed at a real truck guy its aimmed more at the metrosexual/nontruck guy who does weekend home repairs. you would think honda would make the interior more pleasing to the eye.<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by the_saint at 11:28 AM 4/23/2005</i>

Uberwagon
04-25-2005, 02:24 AM
Gosh, I sure hope this doesn't turn into a flame fest but Vector was right. <p>Premium sedans are doing okay but the rest are in distress and are predicted to delicne. The market share of passenger vehicles has been in steep decline for years, mostly due to the explosive popularity of trucks and SUVs. The Honda link is unfortunately already dated: Their car sales are plummeting this year (yes, probably old product). Toyota and Nissan cars are selling well right now due to two major factors: They're stealing (and have stolen) share from the domestics (and in recent months Honda) and they are willing to lose some money on their cars to make money on the trucks (this is mostly Toyota but Nissan doesn't make very much on their Altimas). But, they can amortize their car platforms by building car-based trucks so (as someone wisely pointed out earlier) they can still make money on poor segments.<p>But the bottom line is that Honda sees the writing on the wall and has been very busy changing their business plan to reflect the market shift toward trucks which no longer works in their favor. They're a VERY conservative company in some respects and this niche of the truck segment was much more comfortable for them as a smallish independent company: Low risk, low volume (50k units). If it doesn't work, no big deal. If it does, they simply ramp up production, which they are doing now. In any case, they identified an underserved segment, built the Ridgeline to serve it with an existing platform and are now making money to reinvest in developing new product.<p>Perhaps a "proper" truck for the rest of the buyers? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> We'll see. But having driven the truck for a week, I was impressed with its offroad capabilities and power. It's worth a drive before dismissing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-25-2005, 05:57 AM
incorrect uberwagon...the_saint is correct about cars being up, especially asian automakers...<p>Year-to-date (thru. Mar. 05)<p><B>Car: 1,782,844 vs. 1,778,378, up 2 percent</B><p>Truck: 2,109,354 vs. 2,132,005, up 0 percent<p>Big Three vehicle: 2,250,340 vs. 2,313,427, down 1 percent<p><B>Asian vehicle: 1,408,967 vs. 1,351,863, up 6 percent</B><p>European vehicle: 232,891 vs. 245,093, down 4 percent<p>Total vehicle: 3,892,198 vs. 3,910,383, up 1 percent

knicks125
04-25-2005, 07:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Source</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>Honda's 4th-Quarter Profit Likely Rose 36%, Helped by New Truck</B><p>April 25, 2005; Kae Inoue writing for Bloomberg reported that Honda Motor Co., Japan's third- largest carmaker, will probably report fiscal fourth-quarter net income rose 36 percent helped by the introduction of the Ridgeline truck in the U.S. and higher sales in Asia.<p>Honda's net income will rise to 101 billion yen ($944 million) in the three months ended on March 31, from last year's 74.1 billion yen, according to the median estimate of five analysts in a Bloomberg survey. Honda will report earnings on April 26 at 3 p.m. in Tokyo.<p>President Takeo Fukui, 60, introduced the Ridgeline truck in the U.S. in February, increasing U.S. truck sales 11 percent in the quarter and taking market share from General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. In China, where Tokyo-based Honda earns more money than any other Japanese carmaker, the company expects sales to rise 23 percent this year, helped by the introduction of the Odyssey minivan.<p>``Honda is benefiting from selling more light trucks including the Ridgeline, and the Pilot sport-utility vehicle in the U.S. and that's helping their earnings,'' said Atsushi Osa, who helps manage $110 billion at Sumitomo Mitsui Asset Management Co. in Tokyo. ``Honda also has an advantage in Asia, as it has bigger presence than rivals in China.'' He declined to say whether he holds Honda shares.<p>Sales<p>Honda's fourth-quarter sales probably rose 7.5 percent to 2.3 trillion yen, according to the Bloomberg survey. Operating profit, or sales minus the cost of goods sold and administrative expenses, likely increased by 9.8 percent to 151 billion yen, while current profit, or pretax profit from operations, probably rose by 28 percent to 136.4 billion yen in the quarter, they said.<p>Honda shares, which have fallen 1.5 percent this year, rose 0.2 percent to 5,240 yen in Tokyo at 10:10 a.m.<p>The yen strengthened against the U.S. dollar gaining 2.5 percent to an average 104.52 yen in the January-March quarter, while the yen weakened against the euro, losing 2.3 percent to an average 137.04 yen in the same period.<p>The carmaker's annual operating profit falls about 12 billion yen for every 1 yen that the Japanese currency strengthens against the dollar, 2 billion yen for every 1 yen gain against the euro, according to Credit Suisse First Boston analyst Koji Endo.<p>U.S. Production<p>Honda is expanding production at its Lincoln, Alabama factory, where it builds the Ridgeline, and will run the plant at full capacity, Fukui has said. Honda, which ranks No. 5 in the U.S., will have annual capacity of 1.33 million units in 2005, up from 1.22 million units in 2004. Building vehicles in the U.S. helps shield Honda from currency fluctuations.<p>``We can expect Honda's profitability to improve further this year as its Alabama factory will be in full operation and as it releases new models,'' including the redesigned Civic compact car, Honda's second-best selling model, said Shotaro Noguchi, an analyst at Mitsubishi Securities Co.<p>An 11 percent increase in truck sales in the U.S. in the quarter, helped offset an 8.8 percent decline in car sales as the Civic model neared the end of its product cycle. Honda's total sales in the U.S. declined 1.2 percent in the quarter to 308,182 vehicles.<p>Honda Executive Vice President Koichi Amemiya on Jan. 28 said the automaker would spend $860 million on incentives in the U.S., or $80 million more than it forecast in October, in the 12 months to March as it tries to bolster sales against expanding rivals Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co.<p>``In the U.S., the compact market is very competitive and all automakers are boosting incentives in that segment,'' Amemiya said. Sales of the Civic compact car, which is in the final year of its model cycle plunged 17.9 percent in the U.S. in the quarter.<p>Honda plans to add a new small car based on the Fit compact car in the U.S. in 2006 priced at less than $15,000, while Nissan will launch a new small car in 2007.<p>Full Year<p>Honda's full-year net income probably rose to 493 billion yen from 426.6 billion yen in the previous year, according to the analyst survey. Honda has forecast full-year earnings of 480 billion yen.<p>The automaker will probably post its fifth consecutive record earnings in the year ending in March 2006, with net income rising 3.9 percent to 512 billion yen, the analysts said.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the_saint
04-25-2005, 09:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gosh, I sure hope this doesn't turn into a flame fest but Vector was right. <p>Premium sedans are doing okay but the rest are in distress and are predicted to delicne. The market share of passenger vehicles has been in steep decline for years, mostly due to the explosive popularity of trucks and SUVs. The Honda link is unfortunately already dated: Their car sales are plummeting this year (yes, probably old product). Toyota and Nissan cars are selling well right now due to two major factors: They're stealing (and have stolen) share from the domestics (and in recent months Honda) and they are willing to lose some money on their cars to make money on the trucks (this is mostly Toyota but Nissan doesn't make very much on their Altimas). But, they can amortize their car platforms by building car-based trucks so (as someone wisely pointed out earlier) they can still make money on poor segments.<p>But the bottom line is that Honda sees the writing on the wall and has been very busy changing their business plan to reflect the market shift toward trucks which no longer works in their favor. They're a VERY conservative company in some respects and this niche of the truck segment was much more comfortable for them as a smallish independent company: Low risk, low volume (50k units). If it doesn't work, no big deal. If it does, they simply ramp up production, which they are doing now. In any case, they identified an underserved segment, built the Ridgeline to serve it with an existing platform and are now making money to reinvest in developing new product.<p>Perhaps a "proper" truck for the rest of the buyers? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> We'll see. But having driven the truck for a week, I was impressed with its offroad capabilities and power. It's worth a drive before dismissing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know that honda link is from last year. if you read my original post I said honda did well in sales<B> last year. </B>that is why I posted the link. I am not going to turn this into a debate but I still say Vectors statement about people are switching for cars to trucks is incorrect. the two of you are making seem as if soccer moms are trading in their volvo sedans for f-150s. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>the funny thing about the way trucks are categorize in sales figures is that mini vans and suv's are listed under truck sales. but regardless one would expect a new model/vehicle from a manufacture to generate high sales when it is first introduced so the numbers in that article does not suprise me. <p>So that has nothing to do with people switching from cars to trucks. Honda created the ridgeline so honda could enter the truck market; it had nothing to do with sedan,coupe,hatchbacks sales going down or people trading their coupes for dodge trucks.<p>Even in an interview the chief engineer of the ridgeline said honda wanted to enter the truck market for years, he said nothing about sedan sales falling.<br>this truck has been in rumors for the last three years so are you telling me sedan,sales,coupe sales, hatchback sales and sport car sale have been falling for the last 3 years that is why honda created this turck?? I don't think so.<p>that is why I disagreed with Vector post.. <br>anyway back on topic<p>I think the ridgeline looks like crap imo and if i wanted a real truck I would ook elsewhere. honda needs to get away from that gray hard plastic. <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by the_saint at 12:33 PM 4/25/2005</i>

Uberwagon
04-25-2005, 07:12 PM
Hi.<p>If you do a quick search, you'll figure out who I work for and why I know these things. I won't argue the points I've made anymore but, since this is an interesting discussion of Ridgeline's place in the market...<p>Soccer mom's actually HAVE traded in those Volvo's for F150's! Yes, this is a bit of of hyperbole but it is very true that a LOT more women drive SUV's and trucks than Volvos today. Remember, the car market works very slowly. Rather than look back 3 years (a quick product gestation cycle), think back, say, 10, 15 or even 20 years to see the big picture. That's where you really see the product trends. In that time, there has been MASSIVE change.<p>Quick note: The most reliable sales & share tracking service is, to my eyes, Polk. They break out sales by category and segment much better than those who consider minivans to be trucks, which we can agree is utter nonsense. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But I should mention and will affirm that many of those sedan, hatch and coupe sales really have gone away because of trucks. The hatch market in the US is very nearly dead at the moment. The coupe market is very sadly becoming an anachronism and seems to soften by the day. And sedans, which have not slid as much as the others, do not have the same share they once did. Where trucks were only 15% of the market about 20 years ago, they are now WELL over half of the market today, making it a tough time and a share-grab for manufacturers who depend on those waning segments (ie, Honda).<p>Which of course is why Honda decided to go ahead and build the Ridgeline. They did not make this decision in a vacuum, I assure you. It was only after a careful look at long-term pasenger car sales, share decline, segment projections and -- This is the big one folks -- *profitability projections* that this project (a radical one at Honda) was deemed necessary and was ok'd. <p>As for that engineer, he's a very cool character. He wouldn't dare bring up a chink in the armour of Honda's business plan for the benefit of an interview. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Regardless, the styling is a fair issue. I'd say it looks FAR better in person and drives light years better than any competitor but I don't hope to persuade any die-hards. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Hope this is interesting to you.

anonms
04-25-2005, 08:01 PM
It's a pity that Honda has horrible timing.<p><br>The horrendous interior doesn't help, either.

the_saint
04-25-2005, 08:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iHug Trees</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a pity that Honda has horrible timing.<p><br>The horrendous interior doesn't help, either.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>this is true <br>honda needs to update their interior styling.

anonms
04-25-2005, 08:14 PM
I'm just baffled as to what's going on in the minds of the designers over at Honda. It seems that the America-only stuff as of lately are horrible (the Odyssey, while not so horrible, could still use some work; the Ridgline is just horrendous and has a lack of style). The Japanese are still getting nice stuff.

DoMiNo
04-25-2005, 08:54 PM
Can you honestly say Hondas have <I>ever</I> been about style? Because quirky looks aside, this is a very compelling vehicle. It's the right sized truck for 90% of the people driving pickups in this country today, it oozes quality, and it's loaded with innovative features that make it a very viable alternative to the competition. It's clear that Honda put a lot of thought into making the Ridgeline functional, if not beautiful. <p>Moreover, while it may not be a paragon of power, I'm sure the engine is adequate, and probably far more economical than most other pickups.<p>And of course, "above all, it's a Honda." This thing is probably rock solid. Honda may be losing market share (as someone above claims) but their reputation remains untarnished precisely because of how conservative they are. I don't expect that to change.

Pavilion
04-27-2005, 12:35 PM
I would have to say that the Ridgeline is rock solid. The interior is clean and well thougtout IMO. I have read a couple posts that say they dont like the ridgeline because they arent used to the idea of a truck by honda, that reason is pretty lame. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> Think about it, honda has a very solid reputation of value and im sure that the newest addition to the lineup will only add to that perception. There is a small army of these things on the road already in my area and i expect to see more of them very soon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-27-2005, 12:50 PM
Well said, I couldn't put it any better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And as for the following two statements,<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Soccer mom's actually HAVE traded in those Volvo's for F150's! <p>But I should mention and will affirm that many of those sedan, hatch and coupe sales really have gone away because of trucks.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Incorrect <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And...<p>Incorrect <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-27-2005, 01:46 PM
One more,<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you do a quick search, you'll figure out who I work for and why I know these things.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How is this relevant to saint's post? So by telling us you work in the industry means you know everything and people like saint doesn't know anything??? I don't get it...<p>With all due respect for your profession, whatever that might be (I am guessing in the car industry), and not to be too rude, you are telling a lot of information the average consumers like us would tend to think otherwise, than what you have posted here (example below).<p>As for the Ridgeline, I think it's a very brave move for Honda and I expect this product to continue to do well, as it already has (from the source I posted earlier). When you put something like more people pick trucks over regular cars, that is just absurd. Go out on the street and count a random sample of cars - I would be surprised if you counted more trucks than cars. Remember, the stat I had in the previous page where it showed more trucks were sold over cars - those also include SUVs, minivans, crossovers, as someone has already pointed out in this thread.<p>Due us all a favor, you don't need to parade around your profession, none of us are impressed, and as a matter of fact, they don't help anyone other than yourself. But, if you can get us some correct information, then that would be more than helpful and welcomed. Thank you!

anonms
04-27-2005, 03:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you honestly say Hondas have <I>ever</I> been about style? It's clear that Honda put a lot of thought into making the Ridgeline functional, if not beautiful. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Functional doesn't have to equate to two blocks of unformed plastic meshed together.<p><br>But I wll concede that I love the Ridgline because of its minivan roots and how perfect it is for most of America. With so many superficial people in our society buying trucks out of vanity instead of need, this is perfect. Now people can be shallow without endangering people who drive lower cars, without hogging as much petrolium, and without screwing the air as badly.

Uberwagon
04-28-2005, 12:32 PM
Hypothetically:<p>Someone doesn't agree that a manufacturer made the decisions about this truck for reasons posted. And another person, an engineer who works at that company and who actually made some of the decisions, informs him why. How is this not relevant to his post or the Ridgeline thread? <p>I'm here to share some information about Ridgeline and explain why these companies do the things they do ("status" in the industry is an oxymoron). It's a point of constant speculation among the members and, judging from recent feedback, IM enquiries and email conversations I partake in with the membership about this truck, brand and industry, I think my input is valued.<p>Please respect my voice and consider that your point of view, from the confines of your location in NY does not represent the view of all here, or the entire market (counting cars on your street will not provide a quantitative analysis of the market). Some do want to know WHY these companies do what they do. <p>So here's some of that absurd information. <p>Light trucks (including minivans, about 9.5%), as % of industry sales:<br>2001 - 50.6%<br>2002 - 51.6%<br>2003 - 54.1%<br>2004 - 55.5%<br>2005 - 55.4%*<br>2006 - 56.0%*<br>2007 - 57.6%*<br>2008 - 58.0%*<br>2009 - 58.2%*<br>*projected (Global Insight, DRI)<p>"Women in the U.S. buy just as many full-size pickups as they do minivans." "More than 250,000 of each were bought by women during the first 11 months of 2004" -R.L. Polk<p>"Of women switching vehicles in 2004, about 19% switched to mid-sized SUV's (up from 14% in 2001) continuing the market trend towards trucks." -R.L. Polk<p>Segment % of GROWTH 2001-2004:<br>Full size pickups, +5.2%<br>Entry utilities, +39.2%<br>Compact utilities, +4.0%<br>Full size utilities, +12.5%<br>Luxury utilities, +64.8%<p>"Passenger cars, as a % of our industry, are now less than half of vehicles sold and continue to be on the wane." -R.L. Polk<br>

Vector
04-28-2005, 12:39 PM
I guess that settles that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I like having an industry insider on this board. Cheers! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Vector
04-28-2005, 01:16 PM
Forgot to ask: Uberwagon do you know if Acura will do a version of the Ridgeline? It looked like the data showed an upscale trend in the truck market. It would be nice to see a faster, better handling pickup along the lines of an Acura interpretation. Thanks!

Dodger
04-28-2005, 01:53 PM
I seriously hope that doesn't happen. The MDX and RDX are the farthest Acura should go into the truck market.

the cheddar
04-28-2005, 04:44 PM
Doh! Knicks125 gets dunked on! LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Dude, why WOULDN'T you want to know the facts from a guy who engineered the truck?! Personally, I am impressed that we have him here so, ahem, speak for yourself Knicks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I (secretly) like this thing. The F150 I owned was a turd and drove terribly. My problem with the Ridgeline is that the tires look too small. Honda does this with all their cars and it bugs me! What's up with that and will we ever see a V8? Anyone making Ridgeline camper shells?

knicks125
04-28-2005, 07:37 PM
Thank you for your thoughtful post.<p>I agree with most of your stat except for a keyword - projected. Four or five years ago, if you were to tell me that trucks are going to surpass cars I would fully agree with you. But, right now, it is simply not the case. Currently they are almost 50/50, with trucks winning by not that much but car sales are on the rise, especially due to the cost of gas price. And as speculated, it will continue to grow throughtout at least this summer, and the result will not be too good for the truck segment. Once again, please remember that the truck semgment includes both minivans and SUVS, which are not really trucks (actually they are not trucks in the first, espeically functionality), and those two types beforementioned take up a consider amount of total sales. So when you are exclusively counting trucks and trucks alone, they are behind cars, and that was the point the_saint was trying to make, and the point I am trying to back him up.<p>I look forward for your rebuttal, as I suspect would be good information <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>PS: I'm not as arrogant as you might think, yes some New Yorkers are very arrogant but please don't think of me that way, just based on the posts I have. I respect everyone, as I have been to every state and many countries around the world, some for pleasure, others on business

anonms
04-28-2005, 08:08 PM
I sure hope the truck market does not get any larger. With the pains in my left knee, I can't get into a CR-V without any problems. Damn, I'm gonna get my head bashed in by some dumb superficial soccer mom in an F-150 because climbing into tall trucks is too troublesome and painful.... *sigh*

the cheddar
04-28-2005, 08:12 PM
I would just like to add that share of market for cars is HUGELY swayed by rental cars and fleet sales. When you look at actual consumer registrations, full-size pickups have something like 28% of the market to mid-size cars 8% and dropping. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:21 AM 4/29/2005</i>

anonms
04-28-2005, 08:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the cheddar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would just like to add that share of market for cars is HUGELY swayed by rental cars and fleet sales. When you look at actual consumer registrations, full-size pickups have something like 28% of the market to mid-size cars 8% and dropping. What's so difficult to understand about that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Cars <i>were<i> losing sales. Truck sales lately have been slowing down.<p>Guess what? Despite the new energy bill, the world's petrolium supply didn't magically increase! Gas prices are bound to go up, no matter how hard Bush tries to do otherwise.<p>Hell, gas prices in Fremont have hit $3 (for premium) three or four times between Janurary and March of this year. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:23 AM 4/29/2005</i>

Pavilion
04-28-2005, 11:00 PM
I would love to see an Acura version. It would have to be quite different because the Ridgeline already stands out on its own (a simple rebadge would be no better than Ford/Mercury swap) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:22 AM 4/29/2005</i>

Uberwagon
04-29-2005, 04:08 PM
Knicks, please stop. Your opinion of sales is not supported by the actual figures. Recognize the facts, respect our opinions and move on please. Thanks.<p>There has been discussion of an Acura version but it won't happen. As you mentioned Pavillion, a rebadge won't do. Acura is in transition to move farther upscale and a pickup is not deemed right for them at this time. Honda is having trouble keeping up with demand as it is so if it does happen, it will be in the next gen.<p>Cheddar brought up an important point: Sedan sales are highly inflated by fleet sales (which bring values down, among other things). Actual consumer purchases (as tracked by Polk) reflect the reality of the market and that is a two or three to one difference.<p>There are camper shells coming.<br>

the cheddar
04-29-2005, 05:30 PM
Respect is important. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>An Acura version would be nice though. Perhaps some 20"s, drop it an inch, another 30 hp. That would be a sled!

the_saint
04-29-2005, 06:41 PM
<br> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank you for your thoughtful post.<p>I agree with most of your stat except for a keyword - projected. Four or five years ago, if you were to tell me that trucks are going to surpass cars I would fully agree with you. But, right now, it is simply not the case. Currently they are almost 50/50, with trucks winning by not that much but car sales are on the rise, especially due to the cost of gas price. And as speculated, it will continue to grow throughtout at least this summer, and the result will not be too good for the truck segment. Once again, please remember that the truck semgment includes both minivans and SUVS, which are not really trucks (actually they are not trucks in the first, espeically functionality), and those two types beforementioned take up a consider amount of total sales. So when you are exclusively counting trucks and trucks alone, they are behind cars, and that was the point the_saint was trying to make, and the point I am trying to back him up.<p>I look forward for your rebuttal, as I suspect would be good information <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>PS: I'm not as arrogant as you might think, yes some New Yorkers are very arrogant but please don't think of me that way, just based on the posts I have. I respect everyone, as I have been to every state and many countries around the world, some for pleasure, others on business</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats exactly the point I was trying to make. just saying honda created this thing because people are now shifting from sedans,coupes,hatch back and sports cars over to trucks is generalizing and a ridiculous statement.<br>I keep seeing figures of new car sales being down but what about preowned car sales. not everyone who buys a vechicle buys a <B>NEW</B> car did it ever occured to any of you that maybe people are buying a 2003 or 2004 model.<br>vector and other say that women are trading in their sedans for trucks and I disagree. When the number of trucks on the road out number cars then I will agree, till then I say that is a ridiculous statement. I really don't care what industry some of you claim to be in that has nothing to do with what I see being driven on the road and the fact is I see more new/preowned cars being driven on the road than trucks, further more most (97%) of trucks I see are used by men or working contruction men not a soccer mom who trading in her lexus/benz for an F-150. Show me some data that says women buy more trucks(not suv's or minivans) than cars (new or preowned) then I will believe the statement.<p><br>there is nothing I hate more than internet know it alls that hate to have someone disagree with what they say. This is the reason I did not reply to his post because I knew if I did this issue would never rest and this is the reason I rarely post in other topics.<p>now back on topic<br>when did this thing go on sale?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by the_saint at 7:05 PM 4/29/2005</i>

the cheddar
04-30-2005, 12:48 PM
You and knicks125 can change the parameters of your argument all you like (now it's USED cars, eh?) but the facts do not support your limited view (your neighborhood in south florida isn't the auto market). Calling a Honda engineer who actually backs up his POV on the truck market with facts an "internet know it all" while supplying none of his own is a bit silly too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Please have something to say or go bicker on the Sonata thread. The Ridgeline was released in February I think.

Vector
04-30-2005, 03:20 PM
Saint Quote: "just saying honda created this thing because people are now shifting from sedans,coupes,hatch back and sports cars over to trucks is generalizing and a ridiculous statement."<p>Read that one again Saint. If Honda sees the share of market leaving their core products to a different segment, what do you think they're going to do? That's why they introduced CR-V, Pilot, Element and now Ridgeline. It's not generalizing, it's not ridiculous, it's just business 101. They didn't just "feel like" making a truck one day!<p>I have the same DRI data as Uberwagon. DRI reports mid-size sedan share of market dropping from 7.5 to 6.1 from 2001 to 2004 (including fleet sales to rentals). Pickups have 27% share of market today. Both Maritz and Polk report women shifting from passenger cars to SUV's and pickups. This is simple, simple stuff. <p>Look, it seems pretty clear to everyone but you and a certain argument-prone member why Honda built Ridgeline. And we have a guy from Honda telling us why and backing it up with numbers! So, it begs the question: Who's making the "ridiculous statements" here?<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yes, I believe Ridgeline was introduced in February.

the_saint
04-30-2005, 05:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vector</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Saint Quote: "just saying honda created this thing because people are now shifting from sedans,coupes,hatch back and sports cars over to trucks is generalizing and a ridiculous statement."<p>Read that one again Saint. If Honda sees the share of market leaving their core products to a different segment, what do you think they're going to do? That's why they introduced CR-V, Pilot, Element and now Ridgeline. It's not generalizing, it's not ridiculous, it's just business 101. They didn't just "feel like" making a truck one day!<p>I have the same DRI data as Uberwagon. DRI reports mid-size sedan share of market dropping from 7.5 to 6.1 from 2001 to 2004 (including fleet sales to rentals). Pickups have 27% share of market today. Both Maritz and Polk report women shifting from passenger cars to SUV's and pickups. This is simple, simple stuff. <p>Look, it seems pretty clear to everyone but you and a certain argument-prone member why Honda built Ridgeline. And we have a guy from Honda telling us why and backing it up with numbers! So, it begs the question: Who's making the "ridiculous statements" here?<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yes, I believe Ridgeline was introduced in February.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>DRI data <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <B>show me data excluding suv's and minivan sales that compare women buying trucks to sedans including preowned vechicles that shows women has bought more trucks than sedans in the last 1 1/2 years and I will agree with your orginal statement.</B> Yes I bring up pre-owned vechicles because I was never talking about new cars in the first place I was talking about all car. <p>If your entire argument that women are buying trucks(not suvs and minivans) rather than sedan is based on the fact that truck sale are doing good and car sales are down. <br>Then here is one for you DRI data shows motorcycle sales are up and truck sales are steadying out so am I to assume that women are now trading in their trucks for bikes. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Since you and this other fellow are industry experts Please provide me with the data and source for the highlighted section in my post and I will admit that I am wrong. as for you cheddar I never said that south florida represented the entire automobile martket <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> .however, I do travel from keywest to palm beach almost everday and the population of south florida represents over 5 million people who drive automobile so I would think if women were now buying more trucks than cars I would have seen some sign of it on the roads. IE when the 300C were selling well I saw them all over the place yes this is not scientific data but it is an indicator.<p>Yes I realized that the ridgeline went on sale because I went down to the local honda dealer today to look at it in person. IMO is looks even worst in person i'll post pics later I just don't like the way the bed looks, the fenders and the front etc etc.<p><br>

Vector
04-30-2005, 06:18 PM
Dude, who's arguing about women buying more pickups than passenger cars?! And used cars? Where did THAT come from?! Read the thread.<p>I believe this all started because you or knicks said Women buy more "Volvo wagons" than pickups, which is very definitely not the case. Pickups are simply a viable vehicle for women now and, as such, they are buying an increasing number of trucks and SUV's. That and the FACT that the passenger car share of market is shrinking and the truck share of market is growing is pretty much all I had to say.<p>So I got an idea: How about YOU go get some data for once and tell us all why the above is wrong (Not observations from your bedroom in Florida, real data). Nobody's here to argue YOUR points pal.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Vector at 6:49 PM 4/30/2005</i>

piokor
04-30-2005, 07:52 PM
Someone on the Autoweek.com forums posted this:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Benlikescars @ Autoweek.com</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Okay, freshly arrived June issue, and a comparison test has the Colorado LS, Dakota SLT, Ridgeline RTS, Frontier LE, and Tacoma SR5, with prices as tested ranging from $28.7k (Chevy) to $31.8k (Dodge), with the others priced between $30k and $31.6k.<p>They weigh 4090 to 4787, again Chevy to Dodge. Wild.<p><br>So, I already know that Chevy and Dodge ring up fifth and fourth, and I think the Tacoma got third, just from a preliminary flip-through going up the stairs.<p>So, who here thinks the Ridgeline won?<p>I bet it did.<p>The only reason the Nissan could prevail is 1) power, 2) power, 3) power, and 4) looks. I could see the Frontier being sportier to drive, also, but the Honda might handle decently also.<p><br>Time! To! Find! Out!<p>(drool.)<p><br>Okay...<p>The rankings, with my paraphrasing of the Highs/Lows/Verdict summaries (direct quotes will have quote-marks),<p>Fifth<br>Colorado LS<br>Highs, Meaty tires work well off-road, narrow body more maneuverable<br>Lows, "Rental-car interior decor, thrashy engine, upright rear backrest."<br>The Verdict, "It's a good thing it's cheap."<p>Hm.<p>Peruse text... "the Colorado's five-banger should have been the little engine that could. It wasn't." The Chevy got slowest for accelerating, etc., and got only 1mpg on their test more than the "speedy Tacoma" got.<p><br>Fourth, Dakota<br>(btw, these seem to all be four door 4wd loaded versions)<p>Highs, "sprightly handling (for a truck), adequate back-seat space, V-8 music makes it sound like a real truck."<p>I think the damn thing should have had a hemi, but hey.<p>Lows, too damn heavy, no 4-wheel ABS<br>Verdict, "a decent truck", no fulfillment with the wimpy, puny, disgustingly non-Hemi V8. Okay, so I exaggerated a bit with my own embellishment, they said "doesn't deliver on the promise of the segment's only V8 engine", but that was depressingly boring and I needed to say My Piece.<p>So, yeah, they liked the "deep V8 exhaust note", but it took 8.5 to 60, so there.<p>Surprisingly sharp through the lane-change, etc.<p>Oh, the four-wheel ABS was a $495 option, just tick it on the damn order-sheet, but maybe I'm just grousing.<p>Oh! Pleasant surprise:<br>The Dakota piece's last sentence is, "Our advice to Dodge is: Bring on the Hemi!" <br>There!<p><br>Third, Tacoma, got the largest pickup bed, kewl...<p>Highs, "Huge bed, sedan-like rear seat, gutsy grunt..." <br>Lows, "Floppy handling and sloppy steering" (Holy cow! That's a pity.) "sit on the floor front seating position", which, come to think of it, was the case for the previous Tacoma, also.<br>Verdict, "lots of truck utility here", needs a "better chassis."<p>0-60 in 7.1 seconds, with an automatic, nice!<br>"imprecise, wallowing suspension and numb steering," <br>s---, Tacoma by Buick, not cool.<p>ooh, powertrain specs page...<p>For Chevy, Dodge, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, respectively,<br>Torque: 225, 300, 252, 284, 282<br>Horsies: 220, 250, 255, 265, 245<br>Zeroto60: 8.7, 8.5, 7.9, 7.6, 7.1<br>CD's MPG: 16, 13, 16, 16, 17 (from a "600-mile trip")<p>Okay... let's see WHO GOT 2ND PLACE,<p>Runner up is...... (drumroll!) (I think the Honda won...)<p><br>OOOOOH!<p>Nissan got SECOND PLACE!<p>Holy Mackerel: Long Live The King, And Boy Is He Homely <p><br>wow.<p>Frontier<br>Highs, plush inside, "best steering of the bunch" <br>sportier! ah-ha!<br>Lows: "short on bed size and back-seat room" (bad for worker-types and families, oh well), and the roof rack whistles.<br>Verdict: "A little polish and poise go a long way."<p>So far, so good, "remarkably frisky", second-fastest to 60 (7.6), "composed, communicative, and even a little fun", unlike the others, ah ha... The Sporty One indeed.<p><br>so, wow.<p>Honda bagged it.<p>Highs: "Innovative trunk and useful tailgage" (I can hear the virtual howls as I type), "roomy rear seat, carlike handling." (yeah, "But it isn't a real truck!!!! etc.")<p>Lows: (drumroll) "A face no trucker could love."<p>Verdict, new vehicle "shakes up the playground -- and wins." <p>well, well, well.<p>"So, is the Honda a car or a truck? Not to sound like Bill Clinton, but that depends on what you mean by 'truck.' In fact [emphasis added] it's neither, and who cares anyway..."<p>C&D calls it "a new type of utility vehicle", whatever they mean by that.<p><br>(Car-based-ish pickup that could be an SUV but isn't...?)<p><br>clear communication between driver and road, "We're not talking sports-car feel here, but it's head and shoulders above its competitors. The Honda topped the chart in every subjective handling category."<p><br>wow!<p>Let the howlings subside, continue, pick up in volume, et al.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, according to the magazine, the five pickups were ranked like this:<p>5. Colorado<br>4. Dakota<br>3. Tacoma<br>2. Frontier<br>1. Ridgeline<p>Good Job Honda <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> !

the_saint
04-30-2005, 08:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vector</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, who's arguing about women buying more pickups than passenger cars?! And used cars? Where did THAT come from?! Read the thread.<p>I believe this all started because you or knicks said Women buy more "Volvo wagons" than pickups, which is very definitely not the case. Pickups are simply a viable vehicle for women now and, as such, they are buying an increasing number of trucks and SUV's. That and the FACT that the passenger car share of market is shrinking and the truck share of market is growing is pretty much all I had to say.<p>So I got an idea: How about YOU go get some data for once and tell us all why the above is wrong (Not observations from your bedroom in Florida, real data). Nobody's here to argue YOUR points pal.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>LMAO <br>Just as I figured <B>NO DRI Data</B> <p>Hmmm, I think you need to go back and read the thread. When you have said data/source to show me please let me know and again STOP including SUV"S we are talking about trucks. No one is arguing with you mister industry insider <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As far as I am concerned this issue is closed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> oh by the way I am in an office not a bedroom <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">.<p><br><B>Back on topic I think i'll go test drive a ridgline on monday to see how it runs. <br>I hate this truck but I love hondas so if it does well then good for honda. </B>

anonms
04-30-2005, 09:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, according to the magazine, the five pickups were ranked like this:<p>5. Colorado<br>4. Dakota<br>3. Tacoma<br>2. Frontier<br>1. Ridgeline<p>Good Job Honda <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> !</TD></TR></TABLE>Have you no common sense?<p>C/D is comprised of Honda-lovers, Domestic-dislikers, and Toyota haters.<p>They love Hondas so much that Hondas occupy 2 spots in their 5best <b>TRUCK</b> list (I believe Honda used to dominate all but the pickup spot). <p>And honsestly, does Honda make any trucks at all? No, it's just a raised Civic wagon and a minivan (and its' derivatives). I'm not saying Honda's "trucks" suck (my mom drives a CR-V and it's wonderful). I'm just saying that C/D is very biased.

Dodger
05-01-2005, 04:41 AM
They even admit that they are Honda biased.

Hornbag
05-01-2005, 05:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So, according to the magazine, the five pickups were ranked like this:<p>5. Colorado<br>4. Dakota<br>3. Tacoma<br>2. Frontier<br>1. Ridgeline<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wonder if they rate looks in Car and Driver! LOL, joke<br>Where is the F-150 in this comparisin? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
05-01-2005, 11:10 AM
The Ridgeline should do well with Kmart Cowboys. Howeve, truck buyer that use trucks as they are meant to be used (construction, farmers, etc.) won't give it a second look. Why? Because it's aq big car. There is NO ground clearence, weeny suspension, no grunt, and no true truck abilities. This will be great for someone that wants to run a seadoo down the the lake and that's about it. Great, it's got a interesting bed, but you take into an even slightly rough area, the underbody is done. BTW, yes, i did drive one. It's a nice car, having a bed technically makes it a truck, but that's where it ends. Honda, if you want to be taken seriously as a truck builder, here's where you start:<br>1) Body on frame- it makes it much more rigid and work worthy. <br>2) Screw mother earth. Build a V8, then you can compete.<br>3) Stop with the gimmicks. Trucks from mid-size to heavy duty have a purpose. This isn't a segment you can "shake-up". <br>I would be a fool to question Honda's car stragey because it works, but it won't work in any capacity in the truck segment. There is nothing there to make a loyal truck buyer to switch brands. Nissan did it with brute force. Toyota's finally getting it. Now Honda can play catch up. It's just a nice car.

anonms
05-01-2005, 03:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I would be a fool to question Honda's car stragey because it works, but it won't work in any capacity in the truck segment. There is nothing there to make a loyal truck buyer to switch brands. Nissan did it with brute force. Toyota's finally getting it. Now Honda can play catch up. It's just a nice car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think Toyota's method is charging in with brute force.<p>It seems Toyota slowly builds a reputation and, after providing uncompetitive but satisfactory (for comsumers) products, moving in for the kill. Look at the Sienna as an example.

LEXUS FAN!
05-01-2005, 04:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They even admit that they are Honda biased.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>every magazine admits their biases, especially toward MB and BMW

StuckInNYForever
05-01-2005, 05:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I wonder if they rate looks in Car and Driver! LOL, joke<br>Where is the F-150 in this comparisin? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>F-150 is a larger truck, like the Tundra, Ram, Silverado, etc. You might mean the Ranger. I would assume that either they automatically assumed that th eother 5 were better, or that they could not get one for testing for whatever reason. Who knows.

SV
05-01-2005, 08:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They even admit that they are Honda biased.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really, where have they admitted that? it's obvious of course, but still, i'd love to see them admit their glaringly obvious honda bias.<p>the ridgeline winning? hmm...if the point of the comparo was to see which was the better <I>truck</I>, then the ridgeline should have been in fourth or fifth place. honestly, i don't see how the honda could really be compared with the others, since it's not really for the same people (IMO, since it is car-based and all). still, it's no surprise the ridgeline won, C/D has done stuff like this before. in their last minivan comparo, the current sienna lost to the last-generation odyssey because the honda ranked higher in the "features and amenities" category. it's interesting to note that they tested a no-frills sienna CE and a loaded odessey EX, so it's pretty obvious they basically rigged that test from the beginning.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV at 10:24 PM 5/1/2005</i>

Hornbag
05-02-2005, 05:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> in their last minivan comparo, the current sienna lost to the last-generation odyssey because the honda ranked higher in the "features and amenities" category. it's interesting to note that they tested a no-frills sienna CE and a loaded odessey EX, so it's pretty obvious they basically rigged that test from the beginning.<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>What a terrible magazine! Then i supose every comparisin they do is crap...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>every magazine admits their biases, especially toward MB and BMW</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, but that doesnt mean they should win...WHEELS (aussie car mag) IMO do great comparisins (except a few...) especially the Europe vs Japan, where Japan won 3/4!

Uberwagon
05-02-2005, 10:32 AM
Unfortunately, magazines are at the mercy of manufacturer PR departments and third party car suppliers. They test what they can get. So it's really not the magazines who are asking for a $35k vechicle to test against a $25k one. And naturally, a "car" magazine will have different findings from a "truck" magazine. One is road, the other mud. Different priorities, different conclusions.<p>Mega, the Ridgeline is a total success so it seems there are segments of the truck market outside of farmers and construction workers. Honda is upping production to meet demand but it doesn't look like even that will cover it until sometime next year. The goal was modest; 50,000 units (typical Honda conservatism). As of now, it's looking to be on track for a potential of 90,000 annual and the dealers are getting top dollar. That's share of market that is coming from somewhere and, to even the cynics' eyes, represents real-world marketplace success.<p>Regardless of what makes a "real truck" this was not and never will be made for the farmers in Nebraska (my family farms there). Those are Cummins Rams, F-350's; Work Trucks. This is just a different target entirely. Recreational haulers, professionals, outdoor enthusiasts, etc. The boxed frame is much stiffer than a rail frame and the performance is comparable (8 sec 0-60). But I don't think it'll ever convince guys like you until the next gen... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Saint: The thread explains everything about the share shift from cars to trucks quite well, which is all that is being argued here. If you want data, please simply read my post again or, better yet, bring some of your own. I'm not using staff hours for my little internet forum habit! But, if you still don't get the explanation of industry share, feel free to IM me any time.

Vector
05-02-2005, 12:07 PM
My brother just bought a Ridgeline this weekend. It is truly the best truck I've ever driven. Call it all the names you like (ugly, yes) but as a former truck driver myself (F-150, Tacoma), I'm surprised. We took it into the firetrails around Joshua Tree (desert drainage) and it handles SO much better than any truck I've driven out there. It's got more power than everyone seems to be grumbling about too. This isn't going to be used for hauling hay and lumber anyway! More like snowboards, sailing equipment and fertilizer for the lawn.<p>He probably fits the target: graphic designer, 37, probably earns around $100k, has a little 2 year old, etc. Seems to be perfect for him. I don't care for the looks of the front much and the tires look a little small but it's a killer vehicle.<p>

anonms
05-02-2005, 03:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Unfortunately, magazines are at the mercy of manufacturer PR departments and third party car suppliers. They test what they can get. So it's really not the magazines who are asking for a $35k vechicle to test against a $25k one. And naturally, a "car" magazine will have different findings from a "truck" magazine. One is road, the other mud. Different priorities, different conclusions.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>C/D conducts off-road tests, too.<p>And please explain why MT seems to have the uncanny ability of acquiring comprable vechicles for their testing as opposed to vehicles from opposite ends of the spectrum, like C/D?

Vector
05-02-2005, 04:40 PM
The_saint: I'm not coming in on a Saturday to find data for YOU! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Since we still haven't seen any data or support for your positions, I'll suggest you read a book. "The End of Detroit: How the Big Three Lost Their Grip on the American Car Market." This will give you a nice long-view perspective of the state of the domestic market and explain once and for all how trucks and cars are trading market share.<p>

the cheddar
05-03-2005, 10:55 AM
No, he's right on that. Magazines get their cars from suppliers - There's often little room for specification. Car & Driver is also a car magazine so their assesments of trucks, regardless of off road tests, tends to reflect their MO: Road handling and refinement (which may explain Ridgeline's 1st place). Can't speak for Motor Trend but they have a new editor. Honda has won it's place based on merits though. If you test them back to back with other cars and trucks (with a few exceptions), they are undeniably good and amazingly engineered.<p>THANK YOU Vector. Saint, read the book please. Trucks have been taking sales from cars for YEARS. It's the single most obvious product trend in the industry, period. Not sure where your argument about women came from. Either way, End of Detroit should explain to you the car and truck market in detail.<br>

megadethmartyr
05-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Cheddar is dead on. THe car market has constantly been losing it's share to the truck and SUV movement. I think alot of it has to do image and neccesity. Trucks and SUV are actually in way of avoiding higher gas prices. Follow with me here. Larger vehicles allow for fewer vehilces to be driven. There are perfect for car-pooling. Now, of course not everyone that owns one think this way or uses them this way, but would be a good way of thinking. Sorry about being longwinded, two pots of coffeee down at this point.

anonms
05-03-2005, 04:51 PM
After recieving C/D in the mail...<p>C/D is comprised of idiots. While I do feel that the Ridgeline is a wonderful product, it's ridiculous to compliment the Ridgeline for "car-like handling" when it IS on a car platform.<p>And it is EXTREMELY ridiculous to declare the Tacoma the truck with the most "pickupness" while blasting it to 3rd because of typical Toyota characteristics that they don't like (suspension tuning, "numb" steering, and seating position). Whatever happened objectivity?

the_saint
05-03-2005, 05:21 PM
No one has been talking about SUV's sales here. You guys keep posting data of truck sales that include(SUV's,minivans,crossover vechicles ETC). For the last time we are talking about TRUCKS: NOT SUV"S<p>If you are going to make a statement like this <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Soccer mom's actually HAVE traded in those Volvo's for F150's!</TD></TR></TABLE> then I expect you to show me data. data that does not include sales of SUV's minivans etc. No one is debating the fact that the truck segment (which includes suv's minivans etc) has been doing well. but I am not talking about the segment I am talking about trucks,F-150's,tacomas,titians rams etc. So if you are going to tell me that I am wrong and that women buy more trucks than sedans then I would like data.<p>Some of you want to be right all the time but you fail to see what I am talking about I have not been arguing all I ask for is the data. again I am not talking about the entire truck segment here I am just talking abouts trucks. For those of you who are slow,this is a truck.<p><A HREF="http://img111.echo.cx/my.php?image=97fordf150lariatregcabf345000d.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img111.echo.cx/img111/4363/97fordf150lariatregcabf345000d.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>as for you cheddar if you don't know what the argument is about why do you even add you 2 cents. the statement about volvo's can be found in this thread maybe you should take the time to read.<p>As for me providing data: the party that made the absurd statement about women trading their volvos for F-150's (not suv's) should be the one to provide data to back up his or her claim. <p>seems like knicks125 is the only one that saw what I was talking about.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So when you are exclusively counting trucks and trucks alone, they are behind cars, and that was the point the_saint was trying to make, and the point I am trying to back him up.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <p>the data you posted on the other page does not compare actual truck=pickups sales by women to car sales by women and the general car segment. because if I recall Uberwagon and vector did say trucks=pickups are selling more. <p>All I ever asked of you was to provide me with the data that supports your claim. If you provide said data then this is over. but for some reason you choose not to. <p>as for me reading some books <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> I have a life and several business I have to run <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">.<p>

megadethmartyr
05-03-2005, 05:29 PM
NIce pic of the F-150. That's a truck.

the_saint
05-03-2005, 08:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NIce pic of the F-150. That's a truck.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>it sure is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
05-03-2005, 09:13 PM
7 pages and this has gotten to be enough; play nice or there will be no play

Santeno
05-04-2005, 06:08 AM
Now you guyd did it. You've woken up the Naga. Better get this thread back on-topic, before he starts going medival on everyone here.<p>Please drop this silly argument and get back to talking about the Ridgeline. <b>All further off-topic posts will be deleted.</b>

Uberwagon
05-04-2005, 07:39 AM
THANK YOU SANTENO!!!<p>Back to sensible stuff... Higher hp is reported on the way for Ridgeline. Possibly 300.

Dodger
05-04-2005, 07:49 AM
Could that possibly be from the engine that is in the new RL? That would be nice, 300 hp and decent gas mileage! (I am assuming that the engine will be a V6 since I have not heard anything about a Honda V8)

Player4
05-04-2005, 01:41 PM
Well i was just readin Temple Of VTEC and thay have a "Buzzworthy: TOV's Future Product Crystal Ball" it looks like it is serious, it includes all Honda/Acura future predictions and some confirmed stuff from Honda. These guys seem to be pretty accurate about their stuff. Read The 07 MDX paragraph, as you can see thay are testin Diesels MDX's right now wearing regular MDX badges so myabe the Diesel can go into the Ridgeline or who knows.<p>Here is the link...<br><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=346150" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...46150</A>

masterkiller500r
05-04-2005, 09:25 PM
I work at a Honda dealer and sales on the ridgeline havent been that great, Honda might say they are, but I dont see them flying off the lot like accords, civics and crv's do. The thing is very ugly IMO, has a very bad blind spot near the rear window, somewhat cool interior, but in the end reminds me of being in a Honda Pilot and still handles, stops and pulls like one in a very boring bland way.

knicks125
05-09-2005, 05:22 PM
Ridgeline just aced crash test - the first of such for pickups <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 9:10 PM 5/9/2005</i>

knicks125
05-09-2005, 06:10 PM
<A HREF="http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3423.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3423.html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2005050938823&mime=asc" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hondanews.com/CatID...e=asc</A>

Dodger
05-09-2005, 07:45 PM
I am getting used to this thing. It is all the truck that most people need and with these safety ratings, it should become a decent seller. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
05-10-2005, 01:36 PM
It still isn't pretty though, is it?! The features and dynamics are first rate but that styling has never sat well with me.<p>Sales were blockbuster out of the gate (early adopters, "gotta have it") but have softened remarkably. Honda is anticipating meeting targets but the styling (particularly the front end) has become a sore point. Mainstream buyers will need to get used to this odd looking vehicle before a rebound.

Dodger
05-10-2005, 02:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It still isn't pretty though, is it?! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Definitely not! I just meant that I don't cringe anymore when I see it. I think a mild refresh is in order to make the front end more copesetic.