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Charger
01-04-2005, 01:57 PM
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Naga Royal Guard
01-04-2005, 02:07 PM
very good re-use of the 300C body, front doors are identical, everything else is different, its definately got a retro feel for those that care about it<p>interior isnt good tho, but its Rwd and puts pressure on others to make Rwd cars in the similar price range

JBlair
01-04-2005, 02:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">INFORMATION PROVIDED BY DAIMLERCHRYSLER<p>OVERVIEW<p>New 2006 Dodge Charger  Out of the Past and Into the Future<p> Modern Coupe Styling with Four-door Functionality Hits Streets and Racetracks This Spring<p> Dodge Pays Homage to Muscle Cars of 60s, But Adds 21st Century Performance, Safety and Technology<p> Of Course, Its Got a HEMI!<p>Its back! <p>The Dodge Charger  one of the biggest names from the muscle car era  powered its way out of its storied past and onto the stage at the 2005 North American International Auto Show in Detroit. The much-anticipated 2006 Dodge Charger will muscle its way back to streets and racetracks across America early this summer. <p>The Charger coming off the line and out of garages this year will create a new reputation for the Dodge legend, featuring a modern design to back up its 21st century muscle car power, sports car handling and cutting-edge technology. <p>With a 250-horsepower High Output V-6 engine or the optional 340-horsepower HEMI engine powering large 18-inch rear wheels, the all-new 2006 Dodge Charger races into the car market with bold, provocative styling and substance without losing the convenience of a modern sedan. <p>Its a car that evokes power and performance under the hood, yet provides everyday functionality and convenience, said Craig Love, Vice President  Rear-wheel-drive Product Team, Chrysler Group. We have the proven technologies and the legendary HEMI engine that allow us to produce a modern rear-wheel-drive muscle car.<p>Twenty-first Century Performance, Safety & Security and Technology <p>The all-new 2006 Dodge Charger features rear-wheel drive with near 50/50 weight distribution and advanced technologies that offer superb ride and responsive handling in all surface and traction conditions. <p><br>The Multiple Displacement System (MDS) on the Dodge Chargers HEMI engine seamlessly deactivates four cylinders in just 40 milliseconds  quicker than a blink of an eye  when full V-8 power is not needed, improving fuel economy by up to 20 percent. The HEMI engine with MDS completed more than 6.5 million customer-equivalent miles through the Chrysler Groups development and durability testing. <p>The Dodge Chargers standard Electronic Stability Program (ESP) is designed to electronically detect and assist in critical driving situations. It enhances driver control and helps maintain directional stability in adverse driving conditions  automatically. ESP constantly compares the drivers intended course with the vehicles actual course and compensates for any differences. <p>ESP, combined with an Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) and All-speed Traction Control with Emergency Brake Assist, improves the Dodge Chargers traction, maneuverability and stability in all weather conditions. <p>The ABS keeps the car straight and retains steering capability when braking on slippery surfaces by preventing wheel lock-up. All-speed Traction Control enhances mobility and prevents wheel slip when accelerating on slippery surfaces.<p>With the HEMI V-8 engine and MDS, the new Dodge Charger has more power per cubic inch than its ancestors and provides all the glory of the muscle car era more efficiently than ever before, said Love. With modern technology, this Dodge Charger rides securely on the road, stays planted through the corners and stops with assurance. <p>New Option in Passenger Car Market<p>Pulling into the newest spot in the Dodge garage, the 2006 Dodge Charger offers a bold, powerful and exciting choice in the passenger car market. The Charger features comfortable room for five adults and enough trunk space to meet the demands of active, modern lifestyles.<p>Dodge brand has been a catalyst for change in automotive design throughout the 90s. Now, the new Dodge Charger adds even more muscle to mainstream America.<p>We are excited about bringing back the Charger, said Darryl Jackson, Vice President  Dodge Marketing, Chrysler Group. But, were even more excited to do it in a modern way that offers more convenience to our customers. <p>Dodge Charger offers the clever functional use of interior space that has become a trademark of the Dodge brand and adds the convenience of four doors. The Charger features an exciting, modern and unique design, both inside and out, that stands out from the crowd. <p><br>Similar to HEMI, the Charger name is powerful and draws from the Dodge brands proud performance heritage, said Jackson. We have a tremendous amount of equity and name recognition for both of these entities. Combined, todays all-new Dodge Charger and HEMI engine effectively mark the return of modern muscle.<p>The target market for Dodge Charger includes trendsetting, young affluent males with incomes from $65,000  $90,000. Customers looking for the thrilling ride and handling characteristics of a sports car, but with the added convenience of a functional, five passenger vehicle, will be able to experience the best of both with the 2006 Dodge Charger. <p>A Modern Interpretation of a Legend <p>The 2006 Dodge Charger races forward with modern coupe styling and four-door functionality. <p>A bold front, strong shoulders and fastback grab the attention of muscle car enthusiasts, while the cars performance, handling and power complete the package. <p>The all-new Dodge Charger is here  with a bold and stunning design, and the performance to back it up  and its worthy of the Charger name, said Trevor Creed, Senior Vice President  Design, Chrysler Group. The muscular body form, bold front end and coupe-like profile make the new Charger very fresh and contemporary in its execution. <p>The Dodge Charger interior has a driver-oriented cockpit designed with a performance mind-set. It is sporty, functional and simple, featuring a sleek instrument panel and Viper-inspired tunneled gauges highlighted with white faces and satin silver accent rings. <p>A silver trim bezel surrounding the shifter and additional silver accents in the center stack add just the right touch of brightness to the comfortable interior. The two-tone interior features a darker upper color and a lighter lower color, giving the cabin an open feeling. <p>2006 Dodge Charger Production <p>Production of the 2006 Dodge Charger begins this spring at the Brampton Assembly Plant in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. The Dodge Charger will join the Dodge Magnum and Chrysler 300 vehicles already built there.<p>The Dodge Charger will be available in North American markets early this summer and in select markets in Latin America and the Middle East in late 2005. <p>Charging Off the Line in NASCAR Nextel Cup Competition <p>After a 30-year absence, Charger returns to the track beginning in February 2005. The historic Dodge Charger nameplate returns to NASCAR Nextel Cup competition as the successor to the race-winning Dodge Intrepid race cars of 2001- 2004, and to the storied Dodge Charger race cars of the late 1960s and early 1970s that earned several national championships.<p>Following the adage that racing improves the breed, motorsports competition has long been part of the Dodge heritage. From engineering labs in Auburn Hills, Mich., to shop floors in Charlotte, N.C., Dodge, its teams and its dealers live the philosophy it takes to be successful in the ultra-competitive world of racing.<p>Were very excited about the new Charger. Not only does it bring back one of the great names in racing history, but it also reinforces the racing heritage of the Dodge brand, said John Fernandez, Director  Dodge Motorsports Operations, Chrysler Group. Our goal is to return the Charger to the winners circle, which is where I first saw it as a boy watching Richard Petty, Buddy Baker and Bobby Issacs dominate the early days of NASCAR.<p>Charger to Build on Dodge Presence in Passenger Car Market <p>With a U.S. market share of approximately seven percent, Dodge is the fourth-largest nameplate in the United States and the eighth-largest nameplate in the automotive industry. In 2004, Dodge sold more than 1.1 million vehicles. Dodge continues to lead the minivan market segment with a 20 percent U.S. market share and maintains an 18 percent share of the highly competitive truck market. <p>Yeah, Its Got a HEMI!<p>The 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine produces 340 horsepower (254 kW) and 390 lb.-ft. (525 Nm) of torque. It offers more power and torque than any Dodge passenger car engine since the legendary 426 HEMI of the 60s and 70s. The modern HEMI engine has been engineered to deliver outstanding performance and reduced noise, vibration and harshness, resulting in a highly refined powerplant. <p>Across the entire Chrysler Group product portfolio, the total HEMI engine take-rate is about 45 percent on vehicles offering the engine. More than 500,000 HEMI-equipped Chrysler Group vehicles have been sold since the new HEMI engine was introduced for the 2003 model year. Products available with the HEMI include: Dodge Ram Pickup, Dodge Durango, Dodge Magnum, Chrysler 300 and Jeep Grand Cherokee.<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Source: DaimlerChrysler

Nuvolari
01-04-2005, 02:52 PM
YES! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> It's absolutely GREAT! The best looking american car for decades! <br>Can please someone tell me if we're getting it here in Europe?<br>I think it looks even better than the fabulous 300, sportier with a coup touch...<br>So sad that when you're driving you can't see the beautiful exterior, because the interior is american... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Looking at the interiors especially from Audi, i have to say that nearly all american companies can learn very much even how to make an interior desirable and not just like a plastic formation.

The Water Is Poison
01-04-2005, 02:55 PM
OTher than that interior, the thing is brilliant, I mean WOW!

Tudor
01-04-2005, 03:11 PM
I'm not totally sold on the front end, but everything else is fantastic. It definately beats anything domestic.

KebabGud
01-04-2005, 03:20 PM
what a about a 2 door?

Alx1rl
01-04-2005, 03:21 PM
This looks good. Very Retro! Not as nice as the 300C, but very affluent!

neemer5
01-04-2005, 03:24 PM
It looks like the bstard sedan child of an '05 mustang and Dodge Ram

SOLAR
01-04-2005, 03:44 PM
i think that people were so hyped up about his car, then they finally see it and say...."hmm, thats not what i expected...BUT HEY, ITS THE NEW CHARGER MAN!!!!". The interior looks cheap, just like the magnum, and the rear of the car is basically a stratus. Oh yea, it's got a couple more doors than it should have.

bm88
01-04-2005, 03:48 PM
I prefer this to the 300C, as I never really liked the front end styling of it.<p>This looks even more masculine, and its almost bound to be a success IMO.

SV
01-04-2005, 04:05 PM
it does look nice, although i think it would look better with a color-keyed grille

megadethmartyr
01-04-2005, 04:15 PM
Too many damn doors....they had a chance to challenge the Mustang and pissed all over themselves. What a waste a legendary name. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-04-2005, 04:23 PM
looks good maybe it will be a better with some work on it by tuners, interior is an let down really... <p>Definetly better looking than anything else from dodge in past few decades

Dodger
01-04-2005, 04:41 PM
Nice find Charger! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The front end will need to grow on me but other than that it looks good. I don't know how to put it but the head lights give the front a sort of droopy-eyed look. Does anyone else think the head lights would look better if they didn't have the dark background?<p>Other than that--&gt; way to go Dodge <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
01-04-2005, 04:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice find Charger! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The front end will need to grow on me but other than that it looks good. I don't know how to put it but the head lights give the front a sort of droopy-eyed look. Does anyone else think the head lights would look better if they didn't have the dark background?<p>Other than that--&gt; way to go Dodge <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I actually think the dark background makes it look mean <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Rugbyplaya91
01-04-2005, 04:42 PM
:( looks like a suped up 300c not sure if i like it or not...

NDG
01-04-2005, 04:49 PM
I want to like it but I just can't. I like the 'idea' for the car and the individual elements they put in the design (side profile, stance, rear) but when put all together it's as if something is missing. I love the design of the 300 C (didn't like it the first time I saw it) so I will give it time to grow on me.

ricerammer
01-04-2005, 04:57 PM
It looks like Mitsubishi Galant :-( It's not what I was expecting, but I still like it.

sono81
01-04-2005, 05:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>neemer5</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It looks like the bstard sedan child of an '05 mustang and Dodge Ram</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL!!! I prefer the 300C. And I think it should be a Coupe!

Krypton
01-04-2005, 05:43 PM
i always thought the front part was the strongest but now im not so sure, i want to like it but something doesnt fit in right. Still prefer the 300 to this

Gian86
01-04-2005, 06:26 PM
woh, that looks good. I'm very happy that charger is back in america but it's not 2-door coupe which is bad for charger's image from the past. Nice HEMI engine that makes the return to charger which will be much powerful sedan like old charger coupe.<br>I'm really sure this car will be built in right-hand drive to bring it here when dodge brand will return in australia around next year. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

SOLAR
01-04-2005, 06:55 PM
Hey Guys! This just leaked from Dodge!! Looks like a new paintjob!!! YAY!!<p><IMG SRC="http://img40.exs.cx/img40/8572/charger1rj.jpg" BORDER="0">

Innotech
01-04-2005, 06:59 PM
its beautiful. I want one.<br>

SOLAR
01-04-2005, 07:11 PM
u talking bout the kitty waggin or the actual car<br> ^^<br> Dang Language Filter<br>

Dodger
01-04-2005, 07:48 PM
Oh well now that is nice, they made a Barbie version. Please tell me there is pink leopard print seats! I bet when you start it up bubbles come out of the exhaust! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-04-2005, 08:27 PM
Answer me this. Since when does a muscle car equal four doors!?<p>Make it a 2 door and a drop top and you've got a deal!

GSturb0
01-04-2005, 09:24 PM
WOW, this is truly sad, crap interior + Galant tails = <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

DaDesign
01-05-2005, 07:48 AM
I love the back end, but I have questions about the front, it looks odd and as for the interior it looks too much like the other dodge interoirs its not very retro like the mustang or sporty, but love those gauges.<p>

DrPetrus
01-05-2005, 09:49 AM
Any chance of a wagon, do you think? As Dodge doesn't seem to be going down the fast&furious-lane a practical version might be a seller.

syclone
01-05-2005, 01:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any chance of a wagon, do you think? As Dodge doesn't seem to be going down the fast&furious-lane a practical version might be a seller.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think that is the purpose of the Magnum and Hemi-Powered Magnum RT and SRT-8 versions. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

DrPetrus
01-05-2005, 11:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think that is the purpose of the Magnum and Hemi-Powered Magnum RT and SRT-8 versions. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>They are way too big for me since I don't have a family yet (and I don't need any substitution to compensate any lacking in other departments).

Speedstick
01-06-2005, 06:10 AM
I actually like this better than the 300. The 300 is too in your face. And looks like a tank almost with it's vertical surfaces and slit windows.<p>I like the Charger a lot more with the kick up at the rear and the sloping roofline. Dunno how that will affect the interior though. I like the front too - nice and aggresive. A lot better than the Magnum (I find the Magnum to be pretty ugly up front - the grille is huge and the headlights make it look wide-eyed). The tails are sorta Galant-ish, but it looks a lot better than the Galant.

Speedstick
01-06-2005, 06:12 AM
** OH - and I don't think it should be called the Charger, because this is not a sports coupe/muscle car but dodges bread-and-butter full size sedan that happens to offer racey styling and an available Hemi. There are plenty of restpected Dodge sedan names to pick from the past.

Monkey
01-06-2005, 06:30 AM
The tail-lights are very Dodge. Compare them to the ones on the Intrepid or Stratus. I would have preferred they used something more inspired by the old Charger's though. But then again, GM tried that with the Impala unsuccessfully.

drslezzzter
01-07-2005, 12:18 PM
I'm not quite sure why everyone is trying to compare the Charger to the Mustang. Even the classic Charger was not in the same league as the Mustang. If it was, there would have been no need for Chrysler to bring out the E-body ('cuda/Challenger) as their pony-cars. The Charger was (and is again) the performance oriented mid-size auto. I feel it is a well done modern sedan. <br>Nobody seemed to mind that Chrysler used the 300C label on a car that looks more like a Bentley than the classic C. The 300 is a modern sedan with a heritage, the Charger is no different. Even with 4-Doors I would proudly park an '06 R/T next to my '69 R/T.

thegreep
01-07-2005, 01:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drslezzzter</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not quite sure why everyone is trying to compare the Charger to the Mustang. Even the classic Charger was not in the same league as the Mustang. If it was, there would have been no need for Chrysler to bring out the E-body ('cuda/Challenger) as their pony-cars. The Charger was (and is again) the performance oriented mid-size auto. I feel it is a well done modern sedan. <br>Nobody seemed to mind that Chrysler used the 300C label on a car that looks more like a Bentley than the classic C. The 300 is a modern sedan with a heritage, the Charger is no different. Even with 4-Doors I would proudly park an '06 R/T next to my '69 R/T.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You answered your own question. There was an e-body at the time, now there isn't so us mopar freaks want something that can run with the pony car (I would say cars but there's only one left. . .) and looks like it should. Call it a Challenger, call it a Charger whatever, but give it <I>some</I> historical musclecar image.<p>And for what it's worth, this thing has grown on me. For those of you that think there's something wrong with the interior can you explain the problem? I see clean lines and I have no problem with that.

jro4566
01-07-2005, 01:34 PM
The interior's boring!?!<p>What were you all expecting, loads of genuine California walnut trim? Hehe...just kidding. :p

syclone
01-07-2005, 01:43 PM
At least with four doors it still manages to look aggressive, unlike the GTO which kept two doors but looks like a jellybean.

Gallo
01-07-2005, 03:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Too many damn doors....they had a chance to challenge the Mustang and pissed all over themselves. What a waste a legendary name. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm with you megadethmartyr, it could be better with two doors, to compete with the Mustang, but they didn't see that. I'm not agree with Dodge, because the Charger always need to be a coupe, a Muscle Car, like in the 60's and 70's. That's the same with the new Pontiac GTO, why they insist to reborn a legendary name in a family car?<br>BTW the car is good, looks like the sporty brother of the 300C (a car that I like it) but I insist that they should be used another name in this and a coupe on a new really Dodge Charger.

drslezzzter
01-07-2005, 03:44 PM
First Mustang -- 1964.5<br>First Charger -- 1966<br>First E-Body -- 1970<p>I must restate that the Charger classically is a big car with a big engine. Today it's in a segment of its own.<br>Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a RWD Stratus with the 5.7 (or super charged 3.5 maybe?) rebadged as a Challenger. I'd really love to see Plymouth return by stripping down the LX to a super basic car (say AM/FM, cloth bench, black plastic trim, under $20,000?) and call it a Roadrunner. <br>I guess my argument was simply for the name. If any Mopar product of the past 30 years has been deserving of the Charger name, it is the '06. <p>First they changed the rules. Then they changed them again. Then they did something Different. Once again, with the LX, the pentastar team is one step ahead.

The Water Is Poison
01-12-2005, 09:40 AM
I was watching Sportscenter on ESPN this morning and they had a preview of the 2005 NASCAR season. In the preview they showed a car in primer gray with its headlights and grille covered up but Charger was printed on the front and back. Ryan Newman was also wearing a Dodge Charger hat.

Ptrope
01-12-2005, 02:02 PM
^^<p>Yeah, it's just so sad that the NASCAR funny car looks nothing like the Charger; painting headlights on a surface that's almost horizontal, and then sticking an upright grille out of it like some aardvark's nose just doesn't do the real car any justice at all.<p>I miss the days when they raced <i>stock cars</i> ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

cheongyei
01-12-2005, 07:05 PM
How sad that this thing is Dodge's 4-door sedan version of the 300. The slopey roof and lame c-pillar lines are infantile. This thing is not muscular, it is not sexy, it is not macho, it is just plain ugly. We know that Chrysler has done better, why are they content to offer such an ugly, bastardized product. None of the styling cues work together---the kicked up rear quarter the, dumb rear doors, awful sloping roofline. Shame on Dodge, shame on Chrysler, shame on everyone who participated in this ugly design---the Magnum is sooooo much nicer looking.

Naga Royal Guard
01-12-2005, 07:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SOLAR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Guys! This just leaked from Dodge!! Looks like a new paintjob!!! YAY!!<p><IMG SRC="http://img40.exs.cx/img40/8572/charger1rj.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>still the best version yet!

Dodger
01-12-2005, 07:23 PM
I am curious to know what you think looks good then. What did you want, a 300 with a Magnum grille? I think it is good that it has its own identity. (In response to cheongyei.)

Velocitas
01-13-2005, 12:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cheongyei</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How sad that this thing is Dodge's 4-door sedan version of the 300. The slopey roof and lame c-pillar lines are infantile. This thing is not muscular, it is not sexy, it is not macho, it is just plain ugly. We know that Chrysler has done better, why are they content to offer such an ugly, bastardized product. None of the styling cues work together---the kicked up rear quarter the, dumb rear doors, awful sloping roofline. Shame on Dodge, shame on Chrysler, shame on everyone who participated in this ugly design---the Magnum is sooooo much nicer looking.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>While I wouldn't use such strong emotional terms, I agree with this assessment. None of those cues work together, or really work on their own. I am utterly amazed that the same styling department that came up with the Magnum and the 300 couldn't do any better than this. <p>Those of you who can't put your finger on what doesn't work, the problem is that the design does not have any synthesis. It's a random collection of styling ideas that don't form a coherent whole. "Faux coupe", maybe. That's all I can come up with.<p>The rear quarter kickup is a perfect example. Okay, I get it -- it implies RWD and power, right? Like a fender flare. But it's in the door, and doesn't cover larger tires. Right there, the design argues with itself. A fender kickup that belongs on a coupe, with door cut lines running through it like a giant scar. Now let's drop a door handle on it to completely ruin the defining surface feature of the car. Cool. <p>The next item lacking coherence is the interpretation of the Dodge grille. Now, on the Magnum it's smoothed and sloped back. So, what do we get here? Dodge doesn't want this to be a "Magnum Sedan", so they want something different at the front, right? So they slope the grille forward, which does NOT look sporty or the least bit aero-smooth. It just looks anachronistic.<p>The C-pillar is an attempt at a retro touch, combined with the blacked out B-pillars to make us recall the side window arrangements of old muscle cars. The problem is, on those old beasts when you rolled the side windows down and the rear quarter windows, the whole side of the car was now open. There was no B-pillar! The result we get here is a reminder that the car is something of a fraud. Yes, you get stuck with those rear doors -- sorry! Marketing department insisted that you want them.<p>The headlights at least have some scowling aggression to them. There, I said something nice. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Tman2
01-13-2005, 03:46 AM
Ouch.... Of all the Chrysler cars out there, I think the Charger is not bad-looking at all. The tailights ar a bit weak, but the rest of the car works. For the Dogde enthusiasts I understand your frustration that this is not a 2-door, but I think even as a 4-door it manages to capture enough nostalgia from the original. I like the front grill a lot... more subdued than the typical oversized, body-coloured grill. The fact that it is canted forward just reminds us that this car has history. I must be crazy to actually think Chrysler did a good job with this car, but they manage to do so... even though I am sick of the whole retro thing. Compared to the heavy-looking 300C, the Charger looks just much more lithe and agile. I think I read a post somewhere here at CarSpyShots saying how polarizing car design is these days.... They sure were right!

Monkey
01-13-2005, 06:41 AM
So the styling isn't what we would want to see. A more radical design like the concept from 1999 (or so) would be much cooler. However, they are trying to give us something more than the other car manufacturers out there. How many other companies have a full size RWD car? (Not the larger ones like the Crown Vic, etc) Which ones have a styling that is more than a jellybean? How many have a V8?<br>So while the Charger may seem like an attempt not executed to perfection, compare it to the restyled Impala, the new Five Hundred, the Accord, the Camry, the Maxima. Then you tell me which one stands out from the rest.<br>Not everyone will like every design, and I myself would have preferred more retro cues, and more 4 door coupe styling. But at the same time, I want to see one in person so much, I can't wait to go to the NY show in a couple of months. <br>Polarizing, dramatic, and conversational. What else could a car manufacturer want?

myredhotcar
01-13-2005, 08:55 AM
The only radical thing about the '99 concept was its cab-backward styling; otherwise, it represents a dated, mid-90s approach to styling. Aero is dead, or dying. <p>I agree the weakest part of the new car is the front and rear fascias. Call it a Dart and we'd be happy. But charger it is and that's better than camry, accord and other generic crap.<p>It's still gonna look hot lowered on 19 inch chrome wheels, chrome grill and fender flares. If the 300 is all about the hiphop crew than the charger is for us rock'n rollers. Either way it will make a pretty neat cop car.<p>The only major flaw of both cars is the interiors. Too much drab cheap dark plastics, with bland styling to boot.

Player4
01-13-2005, 02:28 PM
I dont know if any of you have seen this picture yet.<p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/Player4/Charger.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/Player4/Charger.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...r.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.Vtec.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.Vtec.net</A>

Charger
01-13-2005, 02:41 PM
WOW, that looks fantastic in black. I wish there were more pics

The Water Is Poison
01-13-2005, 02:44 PM
I cant wait till they bring this thing to NYIAS

Krypton
01-13-2005, 02:55 PM
same here, hope it isnt too crowded this year, i couldnt get near any of the cars last year

jro4566
01-13-2005, 03:07 PM
Looks excellent in black. It really accentuates the front end better...

1966_GTO_
01-13-2005, 05:18 PM
That picture altered my opinion of the car. It looks very very nice in that color and that particular photo. Very cool.

GerjurdKing
01-13-2005, 06:04 PM
Black looks great. One thing I am disappointed with though is the rims. It needs its own rims to set itself off from the Magnum.

syclone
01-13-2005, 06:25 PM
does look good in black. that profile view really makes me with they at least offered a coupe, though.

Player4
01-13-2005, 08:03 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/Player4/Charger2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/Player4/Charger2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...2.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/Player4/Charger3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/Player4/Charger3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...3.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.Vtec.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.Vtec.net</A>

Dodger
01-14-2005, 06:17 AM
Wow, it is amazing how much a color can change the way a vehicle looks. I really didn't like the pics of the red Charger but this black one looks nice. It seems to fit the car better. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

GerjurdKing
01-15-2005, 01:32 PM
The rear is a tad bland in my opinion. Although I seem to prefer the rear of the SXT version over the R/T. Its kind of a shame that they decided not to give the Charger its own rims.

Charger
01-16-2005, 08:27 AM
Heres the SXT with the body colored grille<br><IMG SRC="http://img8.exs.cx/img8/8065/detroit7ds.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: dodgeboy

Dodger
01-16-2005, 08:52 AM
I prefer the chrome grille. The Charger did not get the best reviews from people at the auto show, you can read about it at <A HREF="http://www.detnews.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com</A>.

KaRaceR
01-16-2005, 10:36 AM
yeah i think it is very nice more chrome bits could work as well

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 01:43 PM
I agree... the car could use a little more chrome, otherwise it's not quite the standout I'd hoped it would be. I like the shape, especially the way the rear fender kicks up, but I cannot <I>STAND</I> the way the rear window tapers off. It looks awful. They should have just taken it all the way down to the fender, a la 300C.

thegreep
01-26-2005, 12:21 PM
I basically like the car behind the front wheels, in front of that it's all wrong. So I want to see pics of the first person to make a new front clip that makes it look charger. Do it for 2-3 grand, get it in as a dealer installed option and then we're talking some buisness.<br> A shaker or powerbulge with flapper scoop hood would be nice too.

g35driver
01-26-2005, 02:44 PM
This thing is tragic, what an awful use of such a strong brand identity and heritage. I will grant that there were always 4-door chargers, but up until the 80's (when they had that 3dr horizon based car) they were always gutsy and had the look of muscle cars. This is bland, ill proportioned, and half hearted at best. The fact that this doesn't yet come in coupe form is even more an affront to mopar fans. This is crap. I am disappointed, especially since the mid 90's concept charger had such potential and looked like it deserved the name. This doesn't.

GerjurdKing
01-26-2005, 03:23 PM
Actually this is the first 4-door Charger ever, if I remember correctly. All of the Chargers from 1966-78 were 2 door and the 80s Chargers were just Daytona's I believe. Although I am a huge Mopar fan I still have mixed feelings towards this one. The front end was done nicely but it could have easily been called an Intrepid, though it would be a major buzz killer. I will however wait until I see one personally before I pass any more judgement on it, though right now Id take a Magnum anyday over this...

knicks125
01-26-2005, 03:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GerjurdKing</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually this is the first 4-door Charger ever</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Probably not the best move <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Andrey
01-26-2005, 05:43 PM
AERODYNAMICS probably SUCKS....

ToronadoGT
01-26-2005, 06:07 PM
I don't know if anyone has said this, but the rear echoes the old '99 concept a little. Actually, this car is growing on me. The front is my major gripe (it looks unattractive from the pictures of the side profile, plus, the grille looks like the one on the '97-'04 Dakota in head-on pics), along with the door count (two too many), this should have got another name... Demon? Dart? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
01-26-2005, 07:04 PM
Maybe they'll chop two doors off and resurrect the Challenger?

Hornbag
01-27-2005, 12:46 AM
ahahahahaha, is that a joke??? Its a Galant!!! OMG, its hideous, LOL, OMG, im pissin my self laughfing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<p>I guess i should stop laughfing, cso it will sell well......i hate the out side, but i dont mind the inside, quality asside.....i love those round door handles.....

DoMiNo
01-27-2005, 02:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ahahahahaha, is that a joke??? Its a Galant!!! OMG, its hideous</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not seeing the similarities, there....

thegreep
01-27-2005, 09:39 AM
I don't think there would have been too many people complaining if this had been the basis for the car<p><IMG SRC="http://206.71.69.200/couldhavebeenacharger.jpg" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
01-27-2005, 12:38 PM
Yea, uhm... I would definitely sell my soul for a Charger if they looked like that.

JBlair
01-27-2005, 12:50 PM
That would sell to Charger afficianados and nobody else. It would flop as badly as Ford's thunderbird has, and would prove even more of an embarassment than some believe the 4 door charger is.

DoMiNo
01-27-2005, 06:44 PM
Perhaps... maybe this "throwback" thing is getting a little out of hand. <p>It'd be hot for a year, maybe, and then fade away. To say nothing of the fact that as it is, the Charger is gonna be adopted as the shape of the NASCAR racer, which saps any last semblance of class out of the whole project. That coupe would suffer the same fate.<p>Still a hot picture though.

Santeno
01-28-2005, 11:02 AM
I can't believe that we are still haveing this argument. So it doesn't look like the general lee, so what. From the sound of it the car seems to be a muscle car based on any definition of one I've ever heard (except this one probably has a stiff frame and can actually handle). So a few afficionado's of the older chargers won't buy it on principle... Something tells me that DCX is banking on there being few of you and a whole lot of people who just won't give a damn about this car having 4 doors instead of 2 (which IMO is actually a plus and not a detriment to this car.<p>Let's move on and keep the discussion about this car's attributes, instead of it it not being a muscle car from the 1960's.

nismo
01-28-2005, 11:32 AM
The only reason I would like to see a 2dr so it could go against the mustang. In 2dr form it would be a perfect Mustang competitor.. retro and all

Krypton
01-28-2005, 06:30 PM
I thought it looked a lot like the galant in the spy pics and unvieling but if you look at i think the startus or something like that the lights look similar but the chargers lights are clones of the gallants with a different pattern

ToronadoGT
01-28-2005, 06:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SLR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... The Chargers lights are clones of the Gallant's with a different pattern...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Heh, I can image what some redneck Dodge fan might say when he first notices that when he parks his Charger next to a Gallant in some stupid Wal*Mart parking lot. "T'wat the heel is goin' on hur'. An American classic don't nee' no backin' lights from sum ferrin' job! Dodge ain't American no mer!" <p>Heh, stupidity will always prevail. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
01-29-2005, 09:26 PM
what makes your comment really funny is that the galant is made in the usa.

thegreep
01-31-2005, 05:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That would sell to Charger afficianados and nobody else. It would flop as badly as Ford's thunderbird has, and would prove even more of an embarassment than some believe the 4 door charger is. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>2 pennies:<br>I beg to differ. The thunderbird's mistake is size and engine choice not styling. Let's talk about a couple other retro named/faced cars, Namely the GTO and the Mustang. The GTO was new from the ground up, not one GTO cue, and has had some pretty poor sales for the performance it gives. The Mustang on the other hand is selling like hot cakes. It has plenty of performance and even <I>looks</I> like a Mustang. Maybe it won't last, but I just don't see that as the case.<br>I don't hate the charger, but I don't love it either. I have no problem with the 4 door thing. I have a problem with a car that looks cobbled together. The lines on the red one are tell tale, in that it looks crappy compared to the black one because you can see all the funky body lines. I would love it if there were a 2 door called the Challenger to complement this car, in fact I've shown this picture before, but I believe the throwback design cues on the current iteration are more like the Challenger. Observe:<p><IMG SRC="http://206.71.69.200/dodge.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

GerjurdKing
02-01-2005, 10:29 AM
I don't know about any of you but I am sick of the cookie cutter crap that we see from Ford and Chevy so for that reason I think the Charger is infinitely better than anything they can offer in terms of styling. With that said, I still prefer the Magnum to this and until I actually have the chance to see one in person, I won't make any negative comments.

Monkey
02-01-2005, 10:42 AM
Again, people need to try and separate the old and the new. The only thing the same is the name. Who's to say that Dodge/DCX won't come out with some type of 2 door retro themed car in the future? This car is not about muscle. This car is Dodge's best attempt to overthrow the Asain competitors along with the Impala and Ford's 500. In that case, I think this car is precisely what has been missing. It can be a stripped down version, competing with lower end models, and a high performance one, to appeal to those that would buy a Maxima, or even possibly steal some sales from Mustangs.<br>This car will succeed where others have not. It will sell. More people will likely buy the Hemi than the V6 also. Why? Because people in the US like the power. Those that can't afford the extra, probably will buy based on appearance, and this car has the tough appearance.<br>Tough appearances are why SUV's flew off the lots. They are general less useful than a minivan, but people bought them anyway. Same will go for this car. <br>So you can complain that this does not look like a Charger, but it wasn't meant to. And the one major styling thing they did do (the rear quarter hump) has already been done by Buick. Look at the Lacrosse, it has one too.

knicks125
02-01-2005, 10:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Again, people need to try and separate the old and the new. The only thing the same is the name. Who's to say that Dodge/DCX won't come out with some type of 2 door retro themed car in the future? This car is not about muscle. This car is Dodge's best attempt to overthrow the Asain competitors along with the Impala and Ford's 500. In that case, I think this car is precisely what has been missing. It can be a stripped down version, competing with lower end models, and a high performance one, to appeal to those that would buy a Maxima, or even possibly steal some sales from Mustangs.<br>This car will succeed where others have not. It will sell. More people will likely buy the Hemi than the V6 also. Why? Because people in the US like the power. Those that can't afford the extra, probably will buy based on appearance, and this car has the tough appearance.<br>Tough appearances are why SUV's flew off the lots. They are general less useful than a minivan, but people bought them anyway. Same will go for this car. <br>So you can complain that this does not look like a Charger, but it wasn't meant to. And the one major styling thing they did do (the rear quarter hump) has already been done by Buick. Look at the Lacrosse, it has one too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I like your arugment and I agree with most of it, although everyone has different opinions.<p>The one thing you have to undertand is that people still think Charger as a muscle car, that is not going to change, at least not anytime soon. Now Dodge is releasing this car as a regular sedan, and I am just not sure if the mainstream sedan buyers are going to cross off Camry, Accord, Sonata, and instead, buy the Charger.<p>We'll have to wait and see how the Charger does when it is released, let's not make such a quick judgment just yet.<p>BTW, don't compare the charger to the lacrosse, lacrosse has been a disappointment, i would certainly give more credits to the design of the charger than just the lacrosse, even if it is only the rear quarter <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

thegreep
02-04-2005, 03:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Again, people need to try and separate the old and the new. The only thing the same is the name. Who's to say that Dodge/DCX won't come out with some type of 2 door retro themed car in the future? This car is not about muscle. This car is Dodge's best attempt to overthrow the Asain competitors along with the Impala and Ford's 500. In that case, I think this car is precisely what has been missing. It can be a stripped down version, competing with lower end models, and a high performance one, to appeal to those that would buy a Maxima, or even possibly steal some sales from Mustangs.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just a question, why is there a necessity to seperate the old from new?<br>I am not one to bash a car I haven't gotten a chance to sit in and feel, but I think DCX has done us (us meaning the Charger enthusiast) an injustice. I would love to hear the actual designers reasoning for the design of this car, but I believe it would have gone like this:<br>"Hey, We should rebuild the late, and not always great Charger. What kind of coupe can we build on this here platform from the Magnum?"<p>"Well, we have to stay in the confines of Chrysler, That means no Sweet coupe design like the AMG CLK. So lets just throw something together and see if Jrgen thinks it's sweet." <p>"Shoot, If Jrgen has to sell off on it we better make it a sedan, He wouldn't like a 4 seater that would stomp all over the Mercedes coupes."<p>"Yea, you're right, should probably be a design that has nothing to do with being a charger, as Jrgen probably hasn't ever seen one. . .Do you think he knows what a Challenger is. . ."<p>Comedy, at least my comedy. . . <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Monkey
02-05-2005, 10:06 AM
I wasn't discounting anyone's opinion. I am, and wil always be a muscle car fan. If I had $30K to plunk down on any car, I would probably purchase an antique over a new car. If I wanted to buy a muscle car, I would buy a muscle car. However, if I needed to buy a larger modern car with power, I would highly consider buying a Magnum or Charger.<br>There is a post Charger (person, not car) made about a Charger Daytona R/T. The pics were removed, so I can't speak for it. But, I am sure it will look better than what GM did with the GTO.<br>Again, everyone can have an opinion, and I would love the resurrection of true muscle cars. But in today's marketplace, they aren't practical for manufacturers to make. GM got rid of the Camaro and Firebird due to poor sales. The GTO is a flop due to looks/cost more than performance. <br>Maybe there will be a day we can all rejoice where the auto world comes back to the days of muscle cars and coupes. But until that day, we should be happy with the fact we can buy a V8 RWD car with some performance.<p>PS - Sorry about the poor reference of the Charger to the Lacrosse. I merely was talking about the hump on both cars. I am a classic Buick owner (1971 Riviera), and would rather GM did a retro of that, instead of putting a hump on what amounts to be a reskinned Grand Prix.

Hornbag
02-05-2005, 06:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But until that day, we should be happy with the fact we can buy a V8 RWD car with some performance.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats why you guys should all just move to Australia! LOL, then you can have a Falcon or Commodore, and although they arnt as outrageous looking as the Charger, they do go fast, have V8's and are RWD...fun, fun and more fun! If thats what the US market wants, then why the bloddy hell dont you have more of these? Cant people see the sucess of the 300?

g35driver
02-06-2005, 01:57 PM
There were 4-door versions of chargers for several generations. they just sold them under the polara nameplate. In fact, the charger was originally introduced as a 2-door fastback version of the polara with some extra muscle. Much like the original GTO was a version of the midsize pontiac tempest.<p>However, my quick post was incorrectly worded and you are right to suggest that this is the first 4-door to wear the charger nameplate. I would have actually preferred that they call this new car the polara and then (hopefully) call the 2-door a charger.<p>This car just doesn't live up to the heritage that is behind it's namesake. I find it very disappointing.<p>As to comments that we should "separate old from new", the best way to do that (on the manufacturors part) is by not reviving brandnames that are deeply rooted in the american culture and repackaging them in ways that aren't in line with the values that such a name invokes. Metaphorically, it would be like ford releasing an SUV called thunderbird!

Patriotdefender
02-06-2005, 03:58 PM
For as much crap as people give to the Koreans for copy styles, etc.....the major US companies are just as bad....this is a four door mustang, simply put. <p>I think the quality of automobile coming out of Korea will be catching up very quickly to the US models-- if the new TG from Hyundai is any indication- the US manufacturers have their work cut out.

1966_GTO_
02-06-2005, 08:36 PM
Saw the Charger in person today at the Philly Auto Show. Not any nicer in person than in pictures. There was a black with black grill and red with chrome grill. Nothing to get excited over...

thegreep
02-09-2005, 03:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>1966_GTO_</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Saw the Charger in person today at the Philly Auto Show. Not any nicer in person than in pictures. There was a black with black grill and red with chrome grill. Nothing to get excited over...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, that's disconcerting. . .Although for some strange reason I am compelled to see one myself before I go off and buy something else. I'm just dumb that way I guess. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0">

drslezzzter
02-09-2005, 11:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>g35driver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There were 4-door versions of chargers for several generations. they just sold them under the polara nameplate. In fact, the charger was originally introduced as a 2-door fastback version of the polara with some extra muscle. Much like the original GTO was a version of the midsize pontiac tempest.<br>...<br>This car just doesn't live up to the heritage that is behind it's namesake. I find it very disappointing.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If I'm not mistaken, the Charger was always classified as a B-Body, meaning that it was based on the Coronet. The Polara, by contrast, was a C-Body. <p>Nonetheless, Dodge is making the Charger its flagship vehicle. Just like they did with the Ram in '94 (remember? they even changed their logo to the Ram). With NASCAR and the success of the 300/Magnum, Dodge is realigning its image in the car market after a decade of trucks and minivans. In order to redefine it's brand, Dodge chose a name which would conjure up images of its long-lost muscle car heritage. If you really read into the marketing, Dodge is really trying hard to make itself the performance brand, with practicality. They are doing their best to appeal to the angel in our head that reminds us that we need versitility and to the little lead-foot demon that loves the smell of burning rubber. V-6 Chargers will fall into the small Intrepid niche. But the V-8s are what Dodge is becoming and only a powerful, historic nameplate is acceptable. Think of it as changing the rules, again.<p>Being 19, this is the first time I've seen a Charger roll of the line. To me, Charger is more of an idea than an image. Charger to me means power with style and just a touch of luxury (remember that the 69 R/Ts came with leather trim and woodgrain accents). Not necessarily a 2-door coupe with a big engine. Don't judge a book by it's cover, don't judge a car by it's doors. Find the substance within.

syclone
02-10-2005, 05:01 PM
The substance within is that this is what would be a boring yet competent vehicle with an idiotically huge engine stuffed in it. In the end, I think price will define how well it sells. If Dodge prices the Hemi the same as the competion's V6 models then potential customers, if they have any sense, will quickly forget all these arguments about the new versus old Charger arguments.

drslezzzter
02-10-2005, 11:00 PM
Actually, maybe those Charger arguments have merit. <p>The last time they messed with the Charger name, things didn't end up too well for Chrysler Corp...<br> <A HREF="http://www.lhmopars.com/MOPAR_Ads/75chgrad.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lhmopars.com/MOPAR_Ads/75chgrad.jpg</A> <p>Tell me that the '06 deserves the name less than the '75. And "At least it was a coupe." is not a valid argument.

thegreep
02-11-2005, 04:47 PM
That 1975 ad makes me want to cry. . .That's when cars all went wrong. . . . <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

GerjurdKing
02-13-2005, 09:36 AM
The Keyword in the last post is 'all'. The '75 Charger is very much on par with the Monte Carlos etc that it was competing with at the time and far nicer than <br>any Thunderbird of the time.

g35driver
02-15-2005, 01:00 AM
Well, you are correct about the original charger being Coronet based, not Polara. However, the larger polara nonetheless shared the much of the styling cues of its Charger sibling (especially in the late 60's/early 70's).<p>For an interesting read on all things Charger check out this site:<br><A HREF="http://www.dodgecharger.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dodgecharger.org</A>/<p>I'd point out this article on the 60-70's era Chrysler car classifications as well (http://www.dodgecharger.org/html/reprints/caaug95_sidebar2.html). They were rather confusing.<p>You say that "To me, Charger is more of an idea than an image". Well being that you are a fairly young guy, I can understand that. <p>For me however, being a car crazy youngster growing up in the 70's, Musclecars like that were a tangible reality. My dad had 2 gto's and 3 different Trans Ams, during the course of my childhood. Chargers, Challengers, Barracuda's, Mustangs, Torino's, Javelins/AMX's and the like were everyday sights. They were quite impressive to a young kid like me. I had a nieghbor named Brent who's father had a Plymouth Super Bee (basically same as the original Charger Daytona) that I was always drooling over..<p>To be frank, Chrysler didn't come out with this car for young enthusiasts. (I think the Neon SRT4 fills that niche) They did it for 30 & 40 somethings and anyone else who'd remember what a charger is and care. Making the charger a 4-door is a mistake.<p>It would be like a Corvette pick-up truck, mustang SUV, or a Thunderbird station wagon..<p>While I wholeheartedly agree that this wouldn't be the first charger to be less than deserving of the name, that doesn't make it right. In fact my vote for the least deserving version goes to the early 80's one they did based on the Omni/Horizon. (although Shelby did a version of the 5-door Omni that was actually kinda cool and ahead of it's time as a souped up sub-compact) Dodge also did a "Duster" edition of their Shadow that was equally profane..<p>I'd like to add that I am not dismissing the new charger off-hand just because of the pics and the 2 too many doors. I went to the Chicago autoshow this weekend and saw several standard ones, a couple r/t's, and the "daytona" edition in the flesh. It's ill proportioned, cheaply finished, and even tackier in the flesh than the pics would suggest. <p>The "Daytona" was a horrible travesty with rims off a magnum (a better looking car btw), a sad little "basket handle" wing, and flat black graphics against wierd orange and yellow colors. Hideous. (I'll grant, you could get some pretty tacky graphics on the original Chargers too, but.. I wouldn't have gone for that then either)<p>I was not alone in dissing this joke of a charger, the stand where the daytona was happened to be completely empty. I had no trouble walking right up to the car in the middle of the otherwise packed show and shooting several pictures of it. In contrast, I couldn't get near the new Viper coupe to get a clean shot. <p>I think looking at the crowds around the stands at an autoshow makes for a pretty good measure of how a car is received by the public. Nobody was feeling this Charger..<p>The (boring but nice) new Toyota Avalon had a bigger crowd gathered around it! No kidding!<p>NOTE: I witnessed a very similar phenomena when I first saw the latest Pontiac GTO at an autoshow. Nobody even bothered with it, the stand was empty. Ironic, really. the new Goat's sales very much reflected this later. Sadly, the only thing Pontiac got wrong there was the car's dated and mundane styling (it has everything else going for it; top-notch v8, excellent fit/finish, nice interior, blistering performanc, 2doors and a usable trunk). A company has to be very careful with it's brand "equity" and heritage. People have expectations in regards to Icons like Corvette, Mustang, Charger, 'Cuda, GTO, etc..

jro
02-15-2005, 11:41 AM
I agree. As a huge MOPAR enthusiast, I would rather see a Hemi powered V-8 that happens to be a 4-door represent the Charger nameplate rather than the last model which was a 2-door but it had a 2.2L 4 cylinder. I can't wait to hear the complaints when Chevy reintroduces the Nomad. Keep on crying guys!

drslezzzter
02-15-2005, 07:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>g35driver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To be frank, Chrysler didn't come out with this car for young enthusiasts. (I think the Neon SRT4 fills that niche) They did it for 30 & 40 somethings and anyone else who'd remember what a charger is and care. Making the charger a 4-door is a mistake.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, I don't quite fit that mold. The first car, which I still drive, is a 96 Chrysler Concorde (3.5 of course). There's nothing I love more than taking a modded (though apparently not turbo/super charged) civic or focus or cavalier on a shot between redlights. I can't wait for the Charger R/Ts to hit the secondary market. The benefits of four doors (on my Chrysler and on this Charger) at the very least outweigh the asthetics. <p>I disagree that Dodge brought out this car for 30 & 40 somethings who remember what a Charger is and care. I must restate that Charger is just part of Dodge's marketing alignment. Look at the spy pictures, the concepts, Dodge vehicles are evolving to a new commonality. Dodge is becoming a brand of versitility. It looks like there will be a wagon variant (released first even) on each model line. Dodge is making the Charger the flagship of this effort. They are saying "Charger: Who said a carpool can't be fun?" "Need to use a car-seat? Want a Hemi? No problem." Most 30 & 40 somethings don't care how many doors their car has (Explain the sales of Avalon, Accord, etc.). Most 30 & 40 somethings can't/won't spend 30,000+ on a car that they can't use day-to-day. Most 30 & 40 somethings don't change their own oil. But what every 30 & 40 something (who grew up in the US) does know is that the Charger was a pretty cool car when they were growing up. They can't tell you the difference between a 66 and a 67, they can't say which options were included in what package, they MIGHT (a big might) be able to differentiate a 69 (thank you Dukes of Hazzard). <p>I see GTO as an enthusiast car, that sells only barely to that small niche of Pontiac fans. Charger was not designed that way. Charger was made first to appeal to the masses, then enthusiast versions follow (Daytona, SRT-8?). I like that idea. It's infinitely more practical and more classical than a built-for-fans GTO. It's like starting with the Coronet, then bringing out the Superbee. Like starting with a Satellite, then bringing on the GTX. Start with a car for non-car people (Charger) then bring out the special packages.

Dodger
02-15-2005, 08:24 PM
I agree with you but many people still can't get past it. Be prepared to get attacked about your statements...

GerjurdKing
03-28-2005, 07:48 PM
Im fairly certain I saw a black Charger today. It was late and it ran a red light, but Im fairly certain it was a Charger as it caught my attention quickly and rarely do cars catch my attention unless its something special. Now I was tired and on my way home from work, but I don't live too far from where they are made so it is entirely possible. Then again, I could have been halucinating...

Naga Royal Guard
03-28-2005, 07:52 PM
if you live near the assembly facility, then you most likely did see it, and very likely to see more :)

GerjurdKing
03-28-2005, 08:05 PM
Well I'd say I live about 30-40 minutes away from their so it is quite possible. It was black and going fast so Im not 100% sure. Let's hope for a repeat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
03-28-2005, 08:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GerjurdKing</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im fairly certain I saw a black Charger today. It was late and it ran a red light, but Im fairly certain it was a Charger as it caught my attention quickly and rarely do cars catch my attention unless its something special. Now I was tired and on my way home from work, but I don't live too far from where they are made so it is entirely possible. Then again, I could have been halucinating...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Keep your eyes peeled <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> and carry a camera- I know we already know what it looks like but real world pics are always great!

jro
03-29-2005, 06:22 AM
i saw a car carrier that had about 6 chargers on it heading south on I-75 near Tampa, Fla.

JBlair
03-29-2005, 07:05 AM
All of my local Dodge dealers are advertising HEAVILY for the Charger. Almost all of them are taking orders, and from the sounds of it, most of them are running out fast.

Charger
03-29-2005, 08:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All of my local Dodge dealers are advertising HEAVILY for the Charger. Almost all of them are taking orders, and from the sounds of it, most of them are running out fast.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats good news

Dodger
03-29-2005, 09:26 AM
I'd get one if I could afford one but people keep telling me college is more important... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-29-2005, 09:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd get one if I could afford one but people keep telling me college is more important... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>college is more improtant...<p>here are the steps:<p>1) get a used car, if required<br>2) go to college and get a degree<br>3) go buy every single version of the charger...hey you never know, maybe by then they will offer a coupe version of the charger <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

GerjurdKing
03-29-2005, 09:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd get one if I could afford one but people keep telling me college is more important... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I too can not afford one as all of my money is tied up in tuition, but if I could I'd be looking at an SXT...

Charger
03-29-2005, 09:37 AM
I really want one also. Ive been talking to my dad so it may happen.

Dodger
03-29-2005, 12:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>college is more improtant...<p>here are the steps:<p>1) get a used car, if required<br>2) go to college and get a degree<br>3) go buy every single version of the charger...hey you never know, maybe by then they will offer a coupe version of the charger </TD></TR></TABLE><p>1) I have a good, reliable car (so far).<br>2) I'm working on it but I am only a freshman!<br>3) Sounds good to me!<p>Hey Charger, good luck on getting a Charger! Ooh, that sounded wierd <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

masterkiller500r
03-29-2005, 08:46 PM
4 doors and saying its a Charger thats just plain stupid. Ya it will sell good probally with the 4 doors on it but the things just plain ugly lookin and reminds me of any other new dodge that they have released. Looks like they took a 300C which imho isnt a bad lookin car then threw in some magnum parts or better off just took a magnum and chopped off the wagon and made it a 4 door sedan.<p>At a time when the new Mustang takes clues from its earlier years retro wise, the new Charger has its chance to take it on but with 4 doors come on.

JBlair
03-29-2005, 09:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>masterkiller500r</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4 doors and saying its a Charger thats just plain stupid. Ya it will sell good probally with the 4 doors on it but the things just plain ugly lookin and reminds me of any other new dodge that they have released. Looks like they took a 300C which imho isnt a bad lookin car then threw in some magnum parts or better off just took a magnum and chopped off the wagon and made it a 4 door sedan.<p>At a time when the new Mustang takes clues from its earlier years retro wise, the new Charger has its chance to take it on but with 4 doors come on.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Charger shares nothing externally with the Magnum. The Charger is a perfect vehicle for what Dodge needs now, and makes sense considering where the car market is headed. There are rumors of a 2-door charger body hidden in the Brampton assembly plant, but if it ever sees the light of day as a production car, it probably won't be badged charger.

Dodger
03-30-2005, 05:09 AM
This "it should have been a two door" argument is getting really old. Move on...

GerjurdKing
04-02-2005, 05:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Charger shares nothing externally with the Magnum. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My only beef with the Charger is that it shares wheels with the Magnum and they are the same for every trim level. I would have liked to see unique wheels for the Charger as I always think of the Magnum when I see those wheels. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it would have been nice.

Charger
04-06-2005, 12:42 PM
Im really impressed with the pricing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AUBURN HILLS, Mich., April 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Chrysler Group today announced U.S. pricing for its all-new 2006 Dodge Charger. Featuring modern coupe styling with four-door functionality, American rear-wheel-drive muscle car genes, available HEMI V-8 performance and a host of standard safety and security technology, the 2006 Dodge Charger captures the essence of Dodge Chargers from the 1960s, '70s and '80s in a modern interpretation.<br>ADVERTISEMENT<p><br>The U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the all-new 2006 Dodge Charger is $22,995, including $675 destination. The Dodge Charger will begin to arrive in dealerships this spring.<p>"Dodge Charger offers bold styling and performance at a tremendous value," said Darryl Jackson, Vice President - Dodge Marketing, Chrysler Group. "For a base price of less than $23,000, Dodge Charger's muscle car styling comes with standard safety features such as Electronic Stability Program (ESP), All-speed Traction Control and four-wheel Anti-lock Brakes (ABS). The Dodge Charger R/T, featuring the legendary 340-horsepower HEMI V-8 engine with the fuel- saving Multi-displacement System (MDS), delivers 0 to 60 times of less than six seconds ... for less than $30,000.<p>"Whether we're talking cars, trucks or minivans, Dodge is all about affordable performance, and Dodge Charger is no different," said Jackson.<p>All versions in the 2006 Dodge Charger lineup are equipped with standard world-class ride and handling and accident-avoidance features, including ESP, All-speed Traction Control, ABS and a five-speed automatic transmission with AutoStick, which provides a full range of performance to match a variety of driving styles, situations and road conditions.<p>Chassis components have been specially tuned to provide spirited driving and handling performance to match the personalities of each Dodge Charger in the lineup.<p>2006 Dodge Charger SE<p>The 2006 Dodge Charger SE is equipped with a 3.5-liter High Output V-6 engine and is tuned to offer athletic and nimble steering and handling attributes. Other standard features on the Dodge Charger SE include 17-inch tires and steel wheels with bolt-on wheel covers, AM/FM/CD radio system with four speakers, driver and passenger lumbar support seating, electric rear window defroster, manual tilt and telescoping steering column, power mirrors, power trunk lid release, power windows (driver one-touch) and locks with auto reverse sensing system, remote keyless/illuminated entry, speed control and a tire pressure monitoring (TPM) system.<p>The starting U.S. MSRP of the 2006 Dodge Charger SE is $22,995, including $675 destination.<p>2006 Dodge Charger SXT<p>The 2006 Dodge Charger SXT also comes with a standard 3.5-liter High Output V-6 engine, which provides an outstanding blend of performance and fuel economy, estimated at 19/27 mpg. The engine delivers 250 horsepower @ 6400 rpm and 250 lb.-ft. of torque @ 3800 rpm.<p>In addition to the Dodge Charger SE standard features, Dodge Charger SXT includes 17-inch tires and aluminum wheels, 60/40 split folding rear seat with center armrest, leather steering wheel and shift knob, eight-way power adjustable driver's seat, fog lamps, illuminated visor mirrors, Boston Acoustics Sound System with six speakers and 276-watt digital amplifier, chrome grille and heated mirrors.<p>The starting U.S. MSRP for the Dodge Charger SXT is $25,995, including $675 destination.<p>2006 Dodge Charger R/T<p>The 2006 Dodge Charger R/T model is equipped with a 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine with MDS, which offers 340 horsepower and 390 lb.-ft. of torque. The MDS seamlessly alternates between four cylinder mode when less power is needed and V-8 mode when more power is in demand. This increases fuel economy up to 20 percent depending on driving conditions, without sacrificing vehicle performance.<p>Standard features on the 2006 Dodge Charger R/T beyond those on the Dodge Charger SXT include performance brakes and suspension that is tuned for added "touring" performance, 18-inch aluminum wheels and all-season performance tires. Dual-exhaust pipes, heated/folding mirrors and leather seats also are standard.<p>The starting U.S. MSRP for the Dodge Charger R/T is $29,995, including $675 destination.<p>The 2006 Dodge Charger SE, SXT and R/T are available in seven exterior colors, including Bright Silver Metallic, Inferno Red Crystal Pearl, Brilliant Black, Magnesium Pearl, Midnight Blue Pearl, Cool Vanilla and Silver Steel Metallic.<p>2006 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T<p>Dodge also announced pricing today for the limited-run 2006 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T, which will go into production later this summer. Dodge Charger Daytona R/T will be distinguished by two exterior paint colors -- "Go ManGo!," an updated metallic orange paint initially used for the 1970 Dodge Charger, and "Top Banana," another high-impact heritage paint name.<p>In addition to the special exterior paint colors, the 2006 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T will feature an exclusive front fascia with a chin spoiler and black honeycomb grille, unique black "Daytona" and "HEMI" decals, signature heritage R/T badging and a black rear decklid spoiler. The Dodge Charger Daytona R/T also will include large, bright, dual-exhaust tips and 18-inch polished wheels with painted pockets.<p>The interior of the 2006 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T will feature performance front seats with suede inserts and embroidered "Daytona" logos on the front headrests. Body-color accent stitching will appear on the front and rear seats and on the leather-wrapped steering wheel. A matching body-colored center stack bezel, a "Daytona Limited Edition" display on the electronic cluster and a sequentially numbered limited-production Daytona badge on the instrument panel will complete the unique Dodge Charger Daytona R/T interior.<p>The powerful HEMI engine, which is boosted to 350 horsepower on the Dodge Charger Daytona R/T, will provide a unique throaty exhaust note and feature a HEMI-orange engine cover.<p>The Dodge Charger Daytona R/T also includes a Road & Track performance handling package featuring 18-inch Michelin MXM4 ASP tires, load leveling suspension, performance brakes and performance steering gear.<p>The starting U.S. MSRP for the Dodge Charger Daytona R/T is $32,495, including $675 destination.<p>Additional passive and active safety and security features on all 2006 Dodge Charger versions include rear sill reinforcement and structure, energy- absorbing steering column, advanced multi-stage driver and front passenger airbags, occupant classification system and available side-curtain airbags.<p>Production of the 2006 Dodge Charger SE, SXT and R/T begins this month at the Brampton Assembly Plant in Brampton, Ontario, Canada, with vehicles available in North American markets later this spring. The 2006 Dodge Charger joins the award-winning Dodge Magnum and Chrysler 300 vehicles built there.<p>Limited production of the 2006 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T model in modern Go ManGo! paint will begin early this summer with vehicles available in North American markets soon after. The Dodge Charger Daytona R/T model with Top Banana paint will be available after the limited production of Go ManGo! vehicles is complete.<p>With a U.S. market share of seven percent, Dodge is the fourth-largest nameplate in the United States and the eighth-largest nameplate in the automotive industry. In 2004, Dodge sold more than 1.1 million vehicles. Dodge brand sales are up three percent year-over-year in 2005.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: DCX

knicks125
04-06-2005, 12:44 PM
Yes the price is very impressive with what you can get <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

jasonm
04-08-2005, 08:41 AM
any word on price of the SRT?

Charger
04-08-2005, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jasonm</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any word on price of the SRT?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, but cheaper than the 300C SRT8

kevinb120
04-08-2005, 11:15 PM
I would look at it in person for two minutes, and go across the street and buy a 300C. Weird.

Smithie
04-11-2005, 03:45 PM
I remember reading a month or more ago that the 2.7 litre engine would not be offered at all on the Charger. Canadian Driver reported on April 7th though:<p>April 7, 2005<p>Pricing announced for 2006 Dodge Charger<p>Windsor, Ontario - DaimlerChrysler Canada announced pricing for the new 2006 Dodge Charger. The Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices (MSRP) are: Charger SE $27,495, Charger SXT $31,385, and Charger R/T $37,550.<p>The Charger will begin to arrive in dealerships this Spring.<p>"Priced right in the sweet spot of the four-door sedan market between $28,000 and $38,000, Dodge Charger competitors will be hard pressed to offer a car with as much power, personality and technology as this modern muscle machine," said Mike Accavitti, Vice President Marketing, DaimlerChrysler Canada.<p>The 2006 Dodge Charger SE is equipped with a 190 horsepower 2.7-litre V6 engine, coupled with a four-speed automatic transmission. The Charger SXT comes with a standard 250 horsepower 3.5-litre High Output V6 engine and a five-speed automatic transmission with AutoStick. The Charger R/T model is equipped with a 5.7-litre Hemi V8 engine with cylinder deactivation (MDS), which offers 340 horsepower.<p>Production of the 2006 Dodge Charger SE, SXT and R/T will begin this month at the Brampton Assembly Plant in Ontario.<p>--------------------------------------------------------------<p> Does this mean only Canada gets the 2.7?

Charger
04-11-2005, 03:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Distributor</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I remember reading a month or more ago that the 2.7 litre engine would not be offered at all on the Charger. Canadian Driver reported on April 7th though:<p>April 7, 2005<p>Pricing announced for 2006 Dodge Charger<p>Windsor, Ontario - DaimlerChrysler Canada announced pricing for the new 2006 Dodge Charger. The Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices (MSRP) are: Charger SE $27,495, Charger SXT $31,385, and Charger R/T $37,550.<p>The Charger will begin to arrive in dealerships this Spring.<p>"Priced right in the sweet spot of the four-door sedan market between $28,000 and $38,000, Dodge Charger competitors will be hard pressed to offer a car with as much power, personality and technology as this modern muscle machine," said Mike Accavitti, Vice President Marketing, DaimlerChrysler Canada.<p>The 2006 Dodge Charger SE is equipped with a 190 horsepower 2.7-litre V6 engine, coupled with a four-speed automatic transmission. The Charger SXT comes with a standard 250 horsepower 3.5-litre High Output V6 engine and a five-speed automatic transmission with AutoStick. The Charger R/T model is equipped with a 5.7-litre Hemi V8 engine with cylinder deactivation (MDS), which offers 340 horsepower.<p>Production of the 2006 Dodge Charger SE, SXT and R/T will begin this month at the Brampton Assembly Plant in Ontario.<p>--------------------------------------------------------------<p> Does this mean only Canada gets the 2.7? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, only Canada gets the 2.7. Well, the U.S. gets the 2.7 for fleet vehicles. The U.S. dealerships wont get those, just the 3.5 or above. Well, at least that's what I read.

GerjurdKing
04-12-2005, 10:54 AM
Ahh that's bogus! From what I remember the Charger was not supposed to get the 2.7. Here, the base engine in the 300 is the 3.5 whereas I believe the 2.7 is available on the 300 in the states. Seeing as the base 300, Magnum, and Charger, will all be very close in price range, I'd take the 300 with the 3.5 over the others.

Charger
05-04-2005, 07:10 PM
And now you can build and view the colors for the Charger (but the colors are way off)<br><A HREF="http://www-5.dodge.com/vehsuite/ModelSelector.jsp?vehicle=CHARGER&pid=u&adid=u&rid=u" TARGET="_blank">http://www-5.dodge.com/vehsuit...rid=u</A>#<p> <A HREF="https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/charger/chargerimages.html" TARGET="_blank">https://www.fleet.chrysler.com....html</A>#

Nurburgring
05-07-2005, 06:26 AM
Today I saw some trucks carrying the brand new Chargers through the highway. Remember, I live in Toronto which is close to the Brampton plant in Canada that produces the 300, Magnum and the Charger. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

GerjurdKing
05-08-2005, 08:26 AM
I just received my issue of Strada and it has a huge piece on the Charger. The chrome grille is starting to get to me. I really think it looks out of place. I can't wait until these are on the road!

knicks125
05-11-2005, 06:37 PM
I was in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area last week and saw a bunch of Chargers used as rental at DFW Airport - they looked really good, some colors better than others :-)<p>Question: Is this usual? The Chargers had just came out not long ago, and they are already using them as rentals? They got a whole fleet of them, at least, down there.

Dodger
05-11-2005, 07:41 PM
Yeah I don't like the sound of that. They should keep making the Intrepid for fleet use.

knicks125
05-12-2005, 05:16 AM
I am with you there, but the Charger looked really good (the ones I saw)

Santeno
05-12-2005, 07:04 AM
yes that is normal, for some brands. Especially with slightly premium products from volume brands. It helps drive interest in the product from people who might not have considered it other wise, or gone for a test drive. Basically, if you aren't really considering to buy a vehicle, you're likely to not test drive it. But if you can rent it and be exposed to it for a few days, you might turn into costumer. That plus Fleet sales generate a lot of sales. The next time you're at the airport, look for a car renter that uses ford. I bet you'll find a fair share of new mustangs available.

Uberwagon
05-12-2005, 10:20 AM
I would very politely and respectfully disagree Santeno. Fleet sales, particularly to rental agencies, is considered an unfortunately necessary evil among many marketing people. It drives the brand equity down, reduces resale value tremendously and generally makes the car "less special" to the more profitable consumer buyers. Some manufacturers refuse to do fleet sales in any numbers for these reasons.<p>On the other hand, it increases volume, generates revenue, keeps the lights on and increases share which is...good. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The reason you see a lot of Fords is because Ford owns Hertz. That's why you can rent virtually any Ford and a lot of the PAG vehicles (volvos, Jags, etc.). Chrysler used to own Budget and I think GM owned a rental company too. Can't remember...

Santeno
05-12-2005, 10:37 AM
That is trua as well Uberwagon, but for some of the lesser known/less popular volume brands (Mitsubishi, hyundai, kia, etc.) reantal fleets, while having the effects you described, have also served as a way to expose their product to an otherwise weary public.

VexedandGlorious
05-12-2005, 02:45 PM
i saw a white one as we drove past a dodge dealer ship, and i gotta say i wasnt impressed from what i saw. i think ill wait to i see one up close

GerjurdKing
05-15-2005, 11:12 AM
The holding yard I spoke of before at the Downsview Airport now has a bunch of Chargers. I saw at least three in the bunch but im sure there are more among the hundreds of Magnums and 300s. I wish I had gotten a better look but I drove past too quickly. I did manage to spot a nice black R/T though.

carlisimo
05-15-2005, 11:22 AM
Is it true that if they offered a manual transmissions, absolutely no one would buy it? It's easy to belive with the 300 and Magnum, but on the Charger too?

GerjurdKing
05-16-2005, 09:42 AM
I could only see a manual on the SRT versions. Even the R/T is too practical.

Monkey
05-16-2005, 10:45 AM
This weekend was flooded with the drag strip Charger commercial.<p>AND I saw one at a dealer near my house. TEST DRIVE <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

bigblank69
05-16-2005, 03:59 PM
Rental agencies do not kill the resale value of a car. It's only when over 30% of the yearly volume of that model are fleet sales, that it has an effect. Taurus's, Malibu's (now the classic), Crown Vic's, Grand Am's are around 70% fleet vehicles. Which when sold at auction, are going for pennies on the dollar because there are tons of them around.

Uberwagon
05-16-2005, 05:03 PM
I'm not sure if those numbers you cited were correct (fleet only affecting resale at 30% mark, ~70% of Grand Ams being fleet, etc.). Even at much lower rates, fleets do lower residual value for consumer buyers (how much is certainly debateable). Cars always depend on a) desireability and b) availability for resale. Rental fleets consistently lower the former and raise the latter. The long-term cost of this (decreased brand equity, higher leasing costs, loss of resale-minded buyers) is why manufacturers avoid the benefits of short term sales & share gains. Others, like Ford and GM, have little choice and must sell to fleets for revenue.<p>It's a little troubling that Chargers are being fleeted already. I've yet to even see one on the streets yet. Are there R/T's being rented too? What company was it?<p>I think a manual Charger R/T would certainly have buyers but it might be a small niche at best. Given the majority of Americans' desire for automatics today, it might not be worth the development cost for Dodge. Even a performance brand like BMW sells a lot more automatics than manuals in the U.S. today. Traffic congestion in the urban & suburban markets these cars sell in has become too great for most buyers to opt for a clutch. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
05-17-2005, 09:41 AM
Here are some great pics of the Charger in silver.<br><A HREF="http://www.stratusphere.net/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=user&user=152&op=view_album&album=71" TARGET="_blank">http://www.stratusphere.net/fo...um=71</A>

GerjurdKing
05-17-2005, 12:40 PM
Beauty! The R/T works in silver for me because it hides the chrome grille. That is my one beef with the car (R/T). I wonder if you can opt for a chrome grille delete option on the R/T?

fockerRN
05-17-2005, 01:45 PM
I definetly like it better in black and red, but it still looks good. I feel like Dodge neglected the interior. I mean, I sat in the Charger at the NY Auto Show and I kept on wanting to like it, but it was just cheap and very boring (the interior). It is a direct copy of the Magnum (obviously), but especially after sitting in a 300C with the wood trim and chrome, the Charger interior is really bland. Too bad. One other issue with this car is that the SRT-8 Charger looks sooooo angry and awesome, that it makes the lesser versions look tame. Dodge should really beef up the looks on the R/T model.

Wyldeone22
05-18-2005, 02:18 PM
what bugs me more than the interior is the lack of a manual transmission. :-(

StevenZoz
07-29-2006, 07:36 PM
2007 Charger adds AWD to SXT and R/T models.<p>source: MT<p><br>that surprises me a lot. i thought that they were going to leave the AWD option to the Magnum

JBlair
07-29-2006, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StevenZoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2007 Charger adds AWD to SXT and R/T models.<p>source: MT<p><br>that surprises me a lot. i thought that they were going to leave the AWD option to the Magnum</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Meh. The more vehicles they put it in, the less expensive it is for them per vehicle. Besides, if they have it, they should use it.

Monkey
07-29-2006, 08:20 PM
Just a funny side note...I passed a Charger Police car that had pulled over a 300 on I95 outside Philly tonight.

haji
09-10-2008, 02:12 PM
2009 Charger will have a power increase...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/sedans/2009-dodge-charger-gets-upgraded-hemi-v8/
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Dodge/Charger/Dodge_Charger_SRT8_2009_main_510.jpg

DoMiNo
09-10-2008, 03:52 PM
VVT is a terrific addition to what is already a beast of an engine, though with all due respect to the Charger, more power was the one thing it didn't need.

Did the charger not already have MDS?