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autoindx
01-02-2005, 10:36 PM
I know that there was a topic on this on the previous forum, but I haven't seen it here. Couple new pictures from a Chinese site:<br><IMG SRC="http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/lwndzxbl/U515P33T148D74586F2100DT20041229101140.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/lwndzxbl/U515P33T148D74578F2100DT20041229101104.jpg[/iIMG]<br><IMG SRC="http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/lwndzxbl/U515P33T148D74574F2100DT20041229101026.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>[IMG]<br>http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/lwndzxbl/U515P33T148D74580F2100DT20041229101112.jpg<p>Soure: auto.sina.com.cn<br>

Tudor
01-02-2005, 11:24 PM
The shape of the center stack reminds me of a first gen MB ML.

Reppu
01-03-2005, 12:21 AM
This car is awful, the golf front just doesn't fit on a sedan, This car needed it's own identity, just like the old Bora had.

whipster
01-03-2005, 12:49 AM
I agree with Reppu (the dashboard also doesn't fit to sedan, it's rather more van-like), although I like the rear-end, thanks to it the car reminds of Passat.

Rugbyplaya91
01-03-2005, 01:43 PM
is this going to be the new us jetta? or is it only going to be sold across seas?

Santeno
01-03-2005, 01:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is this going to be the new us jetta? or is it only going to be sold across seas?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It will eventually make it here as well, but then it will be only the Jetta and the regular shaped Golf (and it's variants). To the best of my knowledge, the Golf Plus and the Touaran are not making the trip.

Nuvolari
01-03-2005, 03:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It will eventually make it here as well, but then it will be only the Jetta and the regular shaped Golf (and it's variants). To the best of my knowledge, the Golf Plus and the Touaran are not making the trip.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're right, the Plus and the Touran are not going to be sold in the U.S. but the new Jetta makes its North American debut next week. <p>Apart from that i think that the front fits the sedan perfectly, with its new chrome-grille (as seen on the new Passat or ConceptC). This gives the car its own identity.<br>But the interior is really boring <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> , i wish VW had invested some money for a new, more elegant dashboard. And the awfull colours... I can't see this beige anymore <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

Alx1rl
01-03-2005, 03:33 PM
decent interior for a little simple car. but otehr then that, very boring.... leather looks crappy too.

Hornbag
01-03-2005, 09:34 PM
I dont see how VW can bring that grille to comply with government standards. If the sun is in the right place (shining right onto the grille) it could blind rear vision to someone in front. Its so danm shinny.

Yannis
01-03-2005, 09:47 PM
<IMG SRC="http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/lwndzxbl/U515P33T148D74578F2100DT20041229101104.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/lwndzxbl/U515P33T148D74580F2100DT20041229101112.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> It's not bad but with different front lights it would look more upmarket.

LEXUS FAN!
01-03-2005, 10:19 PM
what is the difference between this and the jetta?

FeetofFlames
01-03-2005, 10:27 PM
The only difference is the name. It's Jetta here and Bora everywhere else, as far as I know...

hokman
01-04-2005, 03:57 AM
This car's substantial rear and C-pillar area looks very good, but doesn't match the entire cars roundiness.<br>Howcome the US gets everything last and also doesn't get many models? I can explain for china getting the bora first because, china has extremely close relationship with VW, has been producing jetta taxis for so long and Chinese on contrary to european favours saloons than hatches.

Nuvolari
01-04-2005, 02:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... Howcome the US gets everything last and also doesn't get many models? I can explain for china getting the bora first because, china has extremely close relationship with VW, has been producing jetta taxis for so long and Chinese on contrary to european favours saloons than hatches.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The US will get it first! I read that the 2005 Jetta will go on sale on March 18th in North America and Canada.<br>The reason why America doesn't get so many models / variants is easy to answer: VW thinks that there isn't a market for a small mpv like the Touran or an mpv-looking Golf Plus. And don't be sad: It isn't a great fun to drive a Golf with a 75PS petrol- or diesel-engine... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Blackraven
01-05-2005, 05:04 AM
Unfortunately, the rear sucks so bad. These look like the tail lights of the Corolla Altis but EVEN WORSE.<p>The front on the other hand, is nice and it kinda suits the car well.<p>For the interior, it is still good. The steering wheel has a nice design with all the steering controls. The dashboard looks okay but too simple. This isn't the type of dashboard that you can expect from a European car brand. <p><br>With a dashboard like that though, this car would be more suited for use as a Taxi.<br>

hokman
01-05-2005, 05:09 AM
I haven't seen the corolla altis, but this new bora's rear has a big car phaeton feel, very high class.<p>the interior although not the best is too nice for a taxi<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by hokman at 4:15 AM 1/5/2005</i>

AU-297
01-05-2005, 02:54 PM
<IMG SRC="http://images8.fotki.com/v137/photos/2/229737/1422898/NewJetta-vi.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Jetta V with 18" V Vision Wheels, Aero Kit, Spoiler and Silver Tail Lamps.

hwrd_roark
01-05-2005, 02:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AU-297</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://images8.fotki.com/v137/photos/2/229737/1422898/NewJetta-vi.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Jetta V with 18" V Vision Wheels, Aero Kit, Spoiler and Silver Tail Lamps.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That makes it look even more like a corolla

AU-297
01-05-2005, 03:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hwrd_roark</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That makes it look even more like a corolla</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Only the Tail Lamps do... I personally think the Wheels and Aero Kit make it look a TON better!

Nuvolari
01-05-2005, 04:12 PM
AU-297: Where did you get this picture? <br>This makes the Jetta look so cool, especially with a dark paint!

AU-297
01-05-2005, 05:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nuvolari</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AU-297: Where did you get this picture? <br>This makes the Jetta look so cool, especially with a dark paint!</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.vw.com/jetta/a5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vw.com/jetta/a5</A>/<br>

AU-297
01-07-2005, 03:01 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/jamie/J5Votex/J5V_1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/jamie/J5Votex/J5V_2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/jamie/J5Votex/J5V_3.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/jamie/J5Votex/J5V_4.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/jamie/J5Votex/J5V_5.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/jamie/J5Votex/J5V_6.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.csupomona.edu/~ebabayan/LASHOW05/DSC00051.JPG" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.csupomona.edu/~ebabayan/LASHOW05/DSC00049.JPG" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-07-2005, 06:18 AM
any latest word on prices? The latest I heard was in the low 20s for a comparable one, a bit on the expensive side for a compact car (well, at least its class specification).<p>Also, there is only one engine choice? On the website site, the 5 cyclinder is the only one that's there, no V6 (VR6 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) ?

Top Secret
01-07-2005, 06:24 AM
Those Altezza taillights look horrible! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

AU-297
01-07-2005, 08:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any latest word on prices? The latest I heard was in the low 20s for a comparable one, a bit on the expensive side for a compact car (well, at least its class specification).<p>Also, there is only one engine choice? On the website site, the 5 cyclinder is the only one that's there, no V6 (VR6 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) ?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Pricing Set<br>(all exclusive of destination)<p>Value Edition (man) $17,900<br>Value Edition (auto) $18,975<br>(velour interior standard)<p>2.5 (man) $20,390<br>2.5 (auto) $21,465<br>(leatherette standard)<p>TDI (man) $21,385<br>TDI (auto) $22,460<br>(leatherette standard)<p>Options<br>Value Edition<br>ESP $280<p>2.5/TDI<br>Package #1 $1960<br>(roof, alloys, premium sound)<p>Package #2(x) $4660<br>package 1, xm radio, leather interior, wood trim, power seats, multifunction steering wheel<p>Package #2(s)<br>as above but with Sirius<p>XM & Sirius also available as standalone options<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Gallo
01-07-2005, 02:52 PM
I think like some of you guys, that the Golf don't fit well on a sedan, but the car is not so bad. This car will be built in Puebla, Mexico, for worldwide distribution. You in the US will have the new Jetta, but here in Mexico, the actual Jetta will be continue to sell, and this new car will be came like Bora, as a new car between the Jetta and the Passat. And that's not the first time, we have the Nissan Sentra and the Tsuru (this is the Sentra on his third generation) as a different cars, and the Chevrolet Chevy and Corsa, two generations of the same car selling together as a different models.

Hexa VVRCi
01-07-2005, 10:57 PM
i went to the show to day and i must say the jetta is a majorly big improvement, also they mite have another engine choice on the way because on the floor there was a GLI edition that was basiclly a golf GTI sedan (same wheels, interior, engine, etc) but i must say the jetta wear the body effects much better

JBlair
01-07-2005, 11:49 PM
It looks so much more normal out there on the show floor. The proportions and rear are still a tad wonky, but other than that it is better than anticipated.

sciontc128
01-08-2005, 06:55 PM
It goes for the 2004 ML too.

hmonroy
01-27-2005, 10:33 AM
I must say.. last night was the official presentation of the new jetta/Bora here in Mexico.. and the pictures do not make it justice.. it looks much better in the metal.. it's a very nice car and a big improvement over the last generation.

Soul Man
02-18-2005, 03:16 PM
saw a new jetta today. im guessing i saw it like how solar saw his VW's because we both are in florida. it was on the back of a flatbed truck, i didnt get a great view of the rear, but the side and front left me unimpressed, the front end is way to short, and the window line seems kind of funky, ill still leave my judgement though until i get a good view of it or at least until i see it actually being driven on the road

beatnik
02-20-2005, 09:25 AM
impressive i must say.. oversized golf <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but the chrome tail lights <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
02-20-2005, 09:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>beatnik</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">impressive i must say.. oversized golf <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but the chrome tail lights <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Those taillamps and the sill extensions are aftermarket parts. The regular taillamps are still red.

PHYMB
02-20-2005, 12:28 PM
The tail lights aren't so much aftermarket, as they will be an option I beleive, and actually standard on the GLi? which is the sporty version of the Jetta.

nismo
02-20-2005, 12:39 PM
Whats the difference between the "Value Edition" and the "2.5" besides the leatherette in the "2.5"?.. 17,900 to 20 something is a big jump for some leatherette.

LEXUS FAN!
02-21-2005, 01:47 PM
i went to my local supermarket today, and there was a photoshoot of the new JETTA in the parking lot<p>at first i thought there was a movie shoot, but then i saw the new JETTA

brownjigga
04-14-2005, 08:50 PM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050411.001/volkswagen/1.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...1.htm</A><p>

hokman
04-14-2005, 11:01 PM
looks like same mexican made 2.5L 150hp cack?<br>I've a question about the curious looking mirror on the bumper. I've seen it in the car show and that gathered some attention.

TeeDi
04-15-2005, 04:07 AM
This is the first time I've heard that the Bora name could be dropped in favour of Jetta.<p>The Jetta name has never been use in Australia as everytime a new "Golf sedan" came out, it got a new name, like Vento and then Bora, so to change it again, IMO, would create too much confusion over here and would mean VW Australia having to "educate" people on another name change.<p>Leave it as Bora and have some familiarity to it, like Polo, Golf and Passat.<p>I didn't really like the new look of the Bora, sorry Jetta, when it first came out, but these new pic's have changed my mind about it.<p>And being built in Mexico, it wont make a difference for VW Australia. We already get car's from Poland, South Africa, China, Germany and adding Mexico to the mix, just show's VW's faith in it's overseas's plant's.

mzoltarp
04-15-2005, 05:11 AM
Rumor has it that the car will be called the VW Snore'a in Europe. (humor) The Vento and the Bora were both yawns there, and this one is bound to put people to sleep with its huge low power 5 cylinder engine.

hokman
04-15-2005, 01:53 PM
Well said.

phaeton
04-15-2005, 04:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TeeDi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the first time I've heard that the Bora name could be dropped in favour of Jetta.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is also the first I've heard of it although this could be for just euro markets, who knows ?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TeeDi</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And being built in Mexico, it wont make a difference for VW Australia. We already get car's from Poland, South Africa, China, Germany and adding Mexico to the mix, just show's VW's faith in it's overseas's plant's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We already get Mexican built VW's the New Beetle/Cabrio and to add to your list we also get Slovakian built Touareg like everybody else

TeeDi
04-15-2005, 05:41 PM
I forgot about that. Thanks for pointing that out.

erzhik
04-15-2005, 06:52 PM
Jetta is named in US, but in Europe and Asia it is called BORA!!!<p>I personally like Bora name better...

anonms
04-17-2005, 04:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I personally like Bora name better...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. <p><br>Anyone wonder why other companies have been copying Toyota's styling as of lately? First Kia, now Volkswagen. What's next?

Soul Man
04-17-2005, 04:53 PM
i admit jetta isnt great, but bora. The person in charge of marketing in my opinion at the time clearly did not think much of the name because i could see a VW Bora being attacked int eh states as the bore uh. i mean they are admitting this car was a bore to drive (not saying it is, jetta's are supposed to be lively, but a consumer may think bore out of bora) sorry but this name has irked me for quite some time now

alexr15
04-17-2005, 07:08 PM
I went to the ATL auto show tonight and saw the Jetta. I have to say that in person it really does not look anything like a Corolla. It looks a lot more planted whereas a Corolla looks as if it's just sitting on its wheels. I actually really liked it especially in black. Now if the price was a bit lower....

mzoltarp
04-17-2005, 07:22 PM
Build it in China and sell it here for 15k.

Hornbag
04-18-2005, 04:48 AM
It looks great in those pictures in page 2!!! OMG, it looks way better than the Passat i believe, but the inside is lacking the drama of the new Passat, its just so bland...

PHYMB
04-18-2005, 09:07 AM
Here are some pics I took of it at the NY Auto Show. I must say it looked a lot better in person.<p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A5897D9E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A5A1A89E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A5BA719E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A5D3149E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A5F0549E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A64C189E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/apalexandrakis/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-26%2021.51.11%20-0800/Image-B6A6647E9E8311D9.jpg" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-18-2005, 11:13 AM
I have had the opportunity to recently test drive a Jetta soon after it displayed in the showrooms. While the car is much improved, in many areas, I am shocked by two things:<p>1) I5 engine, no more VR6, are VW kidding me?<br>2) 27K for a compact car, no way I would ever get this car, regardless of how nice the car looks, and I have found more cars that look attractive for 27k than this.<p>Despite some nice improvements and other likes I saw, the downsides to the Jetta far more exceed its good parts, two of which are exampled above...<p>Jetta is grown up, sort of...perfectly said, it needs to mature more and learn markets such as NA do not appreciate a compact entry-level/mainstream car costing around 27k, well equipped, it needs to grow up more, in my opinion

JBlair
04-18-2005, 12:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have had the opportunity to recently test drive a Jetta soon after it displayed in the showrooms. While the car is much improved, in many areas, I am shocked by two things:<p>1) I5 engine, no more VR6, are VW kidding me?<br>2) 27K for a compact car, no way I would ever get this car, regardless of how nice the car looks, and I have found more cars that look attractive for 27k than this.<p>Despite some nice improvements and other likes I saw, the downsides to the Jetta far more exceed its good parts, two of which are exampled above...<p>Jetta is grown up, sort of...perfectly said, it needs to mature more and learn markets such as NA do not appreciate a compact entry-level/mainstream car costing around 27k, well equipped, it needs to grow up more, in my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The VR6 will come later in performance-oriented versions, as will a version that supposedly uses the Golf GTi's engine. As to the size; doesn't the Jetta actually straddle the line between mid-size and compact (much like the Ford Fusion)? <p>Personally, I think that the pictures of the Jetta do it no justice. See one in person, and it may change your mind about how it looks. (price is another matter). Generally, most reviews don't really care about how much it costs, seeing as how it is a genuine german sedan that offers excellent quality and engineering, but they care about how it looks more than anything else.

knicks125
04-18-2005, 12:14 PM
You are right...JBlair, it looks much better in person...price might not matter much to the reviewers but to those cross shoppers with mazda 3, or other similarly equipped cars will have a fit...<p>As far as the size, the Jetta has grown even more...the back seat actually feels comfortable sitting in it. I think it's still classify as a compact sedan, although the size is close to those of midsize sedans. The funny thing is that Fusion is considered as a midsize sedan, and it's longer than the Sonata, by a little bit, but the Sonata is considered as a large car by the EPA due to its interior space and romminess...i thought that was pretty interesting...<p>I will be waiting for the VR6 then, let's hope the performance package doesn't go over 30k, seeing how a comparable jetta now costs in the upper 20Ks

nismo
04-18-2005, 12:18 PM
I test drove it like the first week it was out... the engine definately disapoints. No faster than Corolla or Mazda3, I actually found it less driver oriented. I saw it parked right next to a Corolla and they have a very "similar" presence... There was a black one at my dealer with upgraded VW rims and it looked nice but for the price I would get a CorollaS or Mazda3s with leather instead.<p>One thing I really liked was the interior overall. Especially the info screen on the guages.

knicks125
04-18-2005, 12:21 PM
I am with you. I, too, would get the Corolla S or the Mazda 3 instead of this overpriced car...

spwolf
04-18-2005, 03:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>As to the size; doesn't the Jetta actually straddle the line between mid-size and compact (much like the Ford Fusion)? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>nope, wheelbase is same as Corolla's (actually tiny bit smaller), and back seat is not that good.<p>It is "premium" compact sedan from Germany for people who dig german engineering (i doubt you can sell VW "quality" story in USA though).

CalinG7
04-18-2005, 05:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>nope, wheelbase is same as Corolla's (actually tiny bit smaller), and back seat is not that good.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, midsize sedans like the Accord and Camry are very close to 190 inches in length, give or take a few inches (the new Passat will come int at around 187 inches, like the smaller, less succesful Mazda6).<p>Compact sedans are typically between 175 inches and 180 inches in length (the Corrola and Jetta both come in at around 178 or 179). <p>spwolf also mentioned wheelbase, which can affect interior roominess, but by every measurement the Jetta is a compact car, it does not straddle any midsize segment except in price. Dumb.<p>By the way, some magazines have falsely stated that the Fusion is a compact, but that's not true. It's very much a Camry/Accord midsize competitor.

Soul Man
04-18-2005, 07:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yup, midsize sedans like the Accord and Camry are very close to 190 inches in length, give or take a few inches (the new Passat will come int at around 187 inches, like the smaller, less succesful Mazda6).<p>Compact sedans are typically between 175 inches and 180 inches in length (the Corrola and Jetta both come in at around 178 or 179). <p>spwolf also mentioned wheelbase, which can affect interior roominess, but by every measurement the Jetta is a compact car, it does not straddle any midsize segment except in price. Dumb.<p>By the way, some magazines have falsely stated that the Fusion is a compact, but that's not true. It's very much a Camry/Accord midsize competitor. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>uh last tiem i checked the jetta sports a 16 cubic foot trunk, thats bigger than many midsize ones (the midsize accord sports only 14 cubic feet), so theres another midsize car straddling element. plus anyways you all are expecting this thing to compete with civics and what not, but no volkswagen clearly is after a more luxury oriented market, so this would include the likes of the pricey (for a small sedan) s40, etc. although i admit VW still needs to do some more work before establishing themselves as this premium of a premium brand.

Hornbag
04-19-2005, 12:12 AM
I love the whole back of this car, its so cleans and sharp. i love it!!!<p>Those pictures are great, thx PHYMB!

pcurve
04-19-2005, 06:40 AM
Besides the pricing, I think the interior of new Jetta is a let down. (Same thing goes for the new Passat). The real wood somehow manages to look fake and overall the car just doesn't feel more expensive than it is, which I believe is the trademark of outgoing VWs. I was at the autoshow and needless to say, this car was a major let down.

PHYMB
04-19-2005, 11:11 AM
I don't like how the Jetta and Golf now have the same exact interiors, It think they should be differentiated.

Santeno
04-19-2005, 01:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PHYMB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't like how the Jetta and Golf <b>now</b> have the same exact interiors, It think they should be differentiated.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Haven't they always pretty much had the same interior?

CalinG7
04-19-2005, 02:26 PM
Yeah, I sat in the Jetta at the LA car show and I didn't think it was too impressive. Mouse fur and OK plastics, but nothing to scream about, or to justify an $18,000 base price.

knicks125
04-19-2005, 03:29 PM
18-28k price range is more justifiable on a midsize, not a compact like the Jetta

knicks125
05-10-2005, 09:26 AM
Jetta sales are slow as VW tries to push high-end versions on U.S.<br><A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/insiders/0505/10/C01-176834.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/in...4.htm</A>

nismo
05-10-2005, 07:35 PM
I hope VW can take a hint already... they need to go back to make more practical and less pricey cars. I barely see any of the new Jettas compared to when the last gen came out, those were and are all over the place.

SOLAR
06-22-2005, 08:28 PM
some shots i took of the new Jetta GLI. This has not been released yet, but will be later this year.<p><IMG SRC="http://img158.echo.cx/img158/862/gli16sb.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://img158.echo.cx/img158/130/gli20kf.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://img158.echo.cx/img158/4808/gli39hw.jpg" BORDER="0">

sanbar778
06-22-2005, 10:01 PM
God those are some fugly rims, it would look half way decent if it actually had sport looking 5 spokes or something. What is with VW/Audi and these delicate looking wheels on their "upmarket" versions of cars...First the A3 and those horrible 16 spokes and now this? The previous machined aluminum 5 spokes were SO much more attractive!

Rugbyplaya91
06-25-2005, 01:42 PM
the front says sport,<br>... but the back says family sedan:(

anonms
06-25-2005, 04:03 PM
Front screams "I wanna be an Audi!"<p>Sides and rear scream "I wanna be a Corolla!"

SV
06-25-2005, 04:59 PM
hopefully they've shipped alot of cheaper models by now, this is a good car that deserves to sell well. unfortunately, i'm starting to get the feeling VW USA or whoever's in charge of american pricing and what cars we get is a complete moron <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

ToyotaFreak
06-25-2005, 07:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SOLAR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">some shots i took of the new Jetta GLI. This has not been released yet, but will be later this year.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is the Jetta GLI something like a sedan version of the Golf GTI

SOLAR
06-25-2005, 07:46 PM
no, its a suped up version of the jetta. more powerful engine, different interior features and different and sportier exterior features.

JBlair
06-25-2005, 07:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SOLAR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, its a suped up version of the jetta. more powerful engine, different interior features and different and sportier exterior features.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, IIRC, the Jetta GLi is indeed the Jetta Version of the GTi. (same Engine and transmission, I believe)

AM2
06-25-2005, 11:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SOLAR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, its a suped up version of the jetta. more powerful engine,</TD></TR></TABLE><br>There are 2 gasoline(petrol) engines in the US market.<br>the 150bhp 2.5 liter inline-5 and a 197bhp 2-liter Turbo.<br>Like what JBlair said, I believe this is the Turbo version, making it the Jetta equivalent of the Golf GTi.

ToyotaFreak
06-26-2005, 01:18 AM
Cool! Just imagine this!<p>The performance of a VW Golf GTI & the practicality of a VW Jetta GLI! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Can't wait for this to arrive down under!

syclone
06-26-2005, 02:09 AM
Maybe I'm completly missing something, but I think the Golf would be the more pracitcal vehicle. Then again the next GTI will be three-door only and the Jetta has four. It will be interesting to see how the GLI is priced inthe US. It has the potential to be really close to the Audi A3, which could mean a good deal of sales cannibalization. Of course, that depends on whether people would rather have a five-door or a proper trunk. Personally, I would go with the hatch, but I know a good deal of people prefer the trunk. I think this is a pretty smart move on VW's part differentiating three models that really could overlap a good deal. It will be very interesting to see which sells the best.

knicks125
06-26-2005, 05:57 AM
Given the price of the Jetta, 18k-28k, I wonder how the GLi version would be priced...<p>By the way, I have not seen one Jetta (new) on the road yet. You would think people here with high disposable income would not care about the high pricing. Totally off topic, I think a lot of them went with the G35, FX, Sonata, I am seeing a lot of those...hehe... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Redline
06-26-2005, 10:26 AM
That GLI looks good, just a bad color on it. I can't wait for the GTIs to come out, or the Golfs for that matter. Any way you look at it, Volkswagen has some good cars on their hands. Too bad its taking them so long to get them to America.

SOLAR
06-27-2005, 12:00 AM
why would the driver of the car i took a picture of drive away so fast when he noticed i was taking pictures of the car? i mean, the car was at NAIAS

Swallow Doretti
06-28-2005, 10:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe I'm completly missing something, but I think the Golf would be the more pracitcal vehicle. Then again the next GTI will be three-door only and the Jetta has four.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, the GTI five-door was confirmed by Len Hunt over at thecarlounge.net. Additionally, pricing for the GLI is set to start at around $23K.<p>One other thing to point out: the 2.0-L turbo engine from the GLI will also be available in the standard Jetta. The new GLI is actually being sold as a seperate model from the regular Jetta, in the same way the GTI is sold as a seperate model from the regular Golf.

TeeDi
06-29-2005, 01:21 AM
Well, let's just hope they drop the GLi tag when it's released in Australia. I don't find anything sporty about a GLi tag. GTi - yes, but GLi - no!!<p>In Australia, the tag "GLi", is usually always reserved for the naming of base model car's.

piokor
06-29-2005, 08:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bgluckman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No, the GTI five-door was confirmed by Len Hunt over at thecarlounge.net. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So it's confirmed that the five-door GTI is coming to the US? I'm having a hard time believing you, can you link me to the page where it says that? Thanks.<p><br>If the five-door GTI is in fact coming here, then I'm gonna be first in line to get it at my local dealer.

Swallow Doretti
06-29-2005, 10:18 AM
If you think you'll be the first one at the dealer to get a five-door GTI, you better get in line. Several VWVortex administrators already have orders in.<p>Here's the thread from the head of VWVortex confirming the base price of both the GTI and GLI will be $23,800:<p><A HREF="http://forums.thecarlounge.net/zerothread?id=1516475&postid=21441518#21441518" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.thecarlounge.net...41518</A><p>The next response in the thread queue is from Len, confirming that the five-door GTI will be coming to the States. <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Golf%20-%20GTI%20-%20Rabbit/Golf%20V/GTI%20-%20EU/026.jpg" BORDER="0">

knicks125
07-18-2005, 07:51 PM
Does anyone else feel the Jetta commercials (in the US at least) are excessive and over-the-top?<p>I mean, rather than advertising the car, they are diverting consumers' attention to something else during the commercial.<p>Case in point:<p>1. The dog in the trunk<br>2. The guy who can't work the radio<br>3. The one with the couple blasting music - can't remember how it went, it was a while back...<br>4. The latest: the crash test praise saying "accidents happen" (bad luck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Maybe it's just my opinion but I am not feeling any of them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
07-18-2005, 08:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bgluckman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you think you'll be the first one at the dealer to get a five-door GTI, you better get in line. Several VWVortex administrators already have orders in.<p>Here's the thread from the head of VWVortex confirming the base price of both the GTI and GLI will be $23,800:<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>hmm, VW seems to have priced a car reasonably this time. actually, the jetta's price increase over the old one isn't huge, now that i think about it (the old one started at about $17k, didn't it?). i'm worried about the passat though. anyway, this is only slightly related, but i wonder what golf pricing will be once it gets here. judging from the jetta's price increase, i'd say $16-$17k. anyway, VW's sales should go up soon, by the time the new passat comes out, or at least i hope they do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
07-18-2005, 08:08 PM
If I recall, isn't the GTi supposed to be the first Golf available in the US?

piokor
07-18-2005, 09:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I recall, isn't the GTi supposed to be the first Golf available in the US?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, according the the people at vwvortex.com, the GTI shoudl be here around February. The normal Golf will go on sale a couple months after that.<p>On another note, here are some pics of the GLI at Waterfest 2005:<br><A HREF="http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2091036" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2091036</A><p>I love the GLI, but it'll be hard to choose between it and the 5-Door GTI.

[AP]adiweb
07-19-2005, 03:38 AM
GLI looks superb, at least in the states. over here, VW has those huge white dots in the backlights, which makes the car look bad and less sporty compared to the american version.

piokor
08-07-2005, 09:36 PM
A VW dealer near me (Libertyville, IL) got one of the first GLIs in the US. Full scale sales were moved to October because VW doesn't want the GLI to dampen the new Passat sales or vice versa. I snapped some pics when I visited the car today:<p> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/b540cc31.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/ad94ab2a.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/2f36fc44.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/c341cab1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/4a244e7b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/2083593d.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/288d466c.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/14cd1e32.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/f477c30b.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/yaris06/dd41cdb9.jpg" BORDER="0">

against the wall
08-07-2005, 10:07 PM
that gli is a looker! would be better if it was lower though.

SV
08-08-2005, 08:36 AM
that GLI is awesome <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> pictures usually don't do the jetta justice IMO, they look better in person.

DoMiNo
08-08-2005, 09:21 AM
Wow, nice! Is the GLI on sale now?

Dodger
08-08-2005, 04:08 PM
Yeah, but there is a limited supply until production ramps up in October as piokor06 said