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Charger
12-31-2004, 08:17 AM
I thought we had a thread on this already but I didnt see it<br> <IMG SRC="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_toyota_avalon_front_445.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_toyota_avalon_int_front_445.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_toyota_avalon_rear_445.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_toyota_avalon_int_rear_445.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: automobilemag<br>Toyota says that the all-new Avalon is the "most-American vehicle they've produced to date, a claim that's difficult to dispute, as the car was styled in California, engineered in Michigan, and will be built in Kentucky. Speeding from final approval to production in a mere 18 months, the Avalon boasts more power and an improved interior. Engine output is up 33 percent over the outgoing model, with the new 3.5-liter V-6 pumping out 280 hp and making 260 lb-ft of torque. The engine will power all four available models, the base XL, mid-range Touring and XLS, and top-of-the-line Limited. A five-speed automatic transmission will transmit all that newfound oomph to sixteen- or seventeen-inch wheels swathed in Michelin rubber.<p>All models in the range will feature front seat-mounted side airbags, front and rear side-curtain airbags, in addition to a driver's knee airbag. Brake Assist will determine whether a driver has used the full potential of the brakes in an emergency situation; if the system determines that more braking is required, ABS will activate until the pedal is released.<p>The revised interior will feature reclining rear seats (up to 10 degrees), a seven-way adjustable steering column, and a nine-speaker stereo system. Prefer your Avalon a little less plain? Opt for the Limited, and some of the standard features include a JBL-sourced twelve-speaker system (optional on the Touring and XLS), power rear sunshade, heated seats, and an everybody's-got-one-now Smart Key system, whereby drivers can start the car at the push of a button while leaving their keys in a pocket. This feature also opens the trunk when the fob is waved near the rear bumper, a la Speedpass. A nav system and laser cruise control are add-ons, and pricing will be announced in February as the cars go on sale.<p>Outside, the Avalon is undeniably more stylish. The outgoing car looked awkward-an odd mishmash of Buick, Mercedes, and traditional Japanese design. The new car has a more uniform look with much less obvious design influences. Still, we can't help but wish we could stop describing most Toyota cars as "a little of this, a little of that." While derivative and inexpressive styling fills the company coffers, something more original and inspired, paired with the company's rock-solid engineering, would fill the soul.

knicks125
12-31-2004, 08:24 AM
Those are pictures I have not seen yet...<p>Like the front and the interior but not digging the rear, yet.<p>Any latest info on the release date, price?

SV
12-31-2004, 09:07 AM
it looks good, i love the interior, but the front pic looks like it has a ridiculously long front overhang (i think it has something to do with the shape of the bumper though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> )

Speedstick
12-31-2004, 10:03 AM
Looks like an Altima...

BMW rulez
12-31-2004, 10:14 AM
Lots of legroom in the back <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
12-31-2004, 10:55 AM
love the back, profile and interior is WOW... Front needs to grow on me, it seems like squared off Camry but it might be the pic... Hopefully we get more front pics...

jasmo
12-31-2004, 11:08 AM
Looks like the Nissan Maxima with an Altima front end...

VexedandGlorious
12-31-2004, 11:30 AM
it looks like a altima, it tries to look aggressive and cool at the same time.<p>the rear looks peiced together and the interior....umm....ok. the Mark X<br>looks alot better, and the rear bench looks small.<p>its ok

LEXUS FAN!
12-31-2004, 11:37 AM
great pictures...this car will get some getting used to since it is probably the most modern car of Toyota

Naga Royal Guard
12-31-2004, 12:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jay</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it looks like a altima, it tries to look aggressive and cool at the same time.<p>the rear looks peiced together and the interior....umm....ok. the Mark X<br>looks alot better, and the rear bench looks small.<p>its ok </TD></TR></TABLE><p>the mark X is closer to the IS 300 in size

Bluesman
12-31-2004, 12:14 PM
Debut date is Jan. 10th at the NAIAS in Detroit. My local dealers say they expect their first units on 1/15/04. MSRP should be close to the current XL and XLS models. <p>I'll be curious to see what Lexus does with this engine and platform in 2006!

Shrek
12-31-2004, 01:28 PM
Looks really good but it might compete against the ES330 too much

Bluesman
12-31-2004, 02:29 PM
Well as it stands it'll have more power and better gadgets than the ES. Lexus will catch up in 2006.

Andre
12-31-2004, 06:46 PM
hmm. I like it from a driver's standpoint...... It'll probably a very nice car to drive (if you are not a racing, fast-driving, enthusiastic driver). I find I like the rear of the car. the grenhouse is a bit awkward and the headlamps don't look right. Oddly, it reminds me a lot of the old M45 or current Q45 from that frontal shot

Hornbag
12-31-2004, 07:05 PM
Hideous. The rear door is square and flat. The inside is full of tacky fake wood and heaps of silver plastic. The overall design lacks finalisation and the front reminds me of a Nissan and Cadilac! But i love the boot and the tail lamps, they are very direct and its the first thing you notise (well 4 me anyway)...

jro4566
01-01-2005, 12:25 AM
The back seat looks very roomy, even without the front seat all the way forward.

Hornbag
01-01-2005, 12:33 AM
Yes, it does look roomy in the back seat, but at the cost to style.

spwolf
01-01-2005, 07:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, it does look roomy in the back seat, but at the cost to style.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really? interior looks better put together and more stylish that most of cars I can think of... Are you sure your problem isnt that it is an Toyota? :-).<p>Toyota interiors use better quality materials and are better put together than anything else, except for luxury cars...

Rugbyplaya91
01-01-2005, 08:42 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> personally i don't like it

JBlair
01-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Has anyone else noticed that the radio part of the center stack is offset to the right of the center tunnel? It's really bothering me because it makes that part of the dash look off.

jro4566
01-01-2005, 11:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, it does look roomy in the back seat, but at the cost to style.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I hardly doubt the target audience of this vehicle will care to much about styling, as long as it looks OK they'll be OK.

Bluesman
01-02-2005, 07:06 AM
I see that now, I assume it's a visibility issue. It's no worse than the speedometer cluster being in the center like on the Saturn Ion!

spwolf
01-02-2005, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see that now, I assume it's a visibility issue. It's no worse than the speedometer cluster being in the center like on the Saturn Ion!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you mean nav screen? well it better be as high as possible so you dont have to take your eyes front he road to look at nav map...

Alx1rl
01-02-2005, 10:28 AM
Very nice, and truth of the matter is that the Avalon really needed an internal make over. Looks more modern and sporty, i really like the changes!

Bluesman
01-02-2005, 10:48 AM
No, I'm talking about the speedo cluster on the Ion. Yuck! I mean should I be sitting in the middle here or what!?<p><A HREF="http://www.saturn.com/saturn/showroom/ion/sedan/index.jsp?nav=100" TARGET="_blank">http://www.saturn.com/saturn/s...v=100</A><p>The above mention was regarding the radio in the Avalon being slightly off center in the stack.

spwolf
01-02-2005, 11:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, I'm talking about the speedo cluster on the Ion. Yuck! I mean should I be sitting in the middle here or what!?<p><A HREF="http://www.saturn.com/saturn/showroom/ion/sedan/index.jsp?nav=100" TARGET="_blank">http://www.saturn.com/saturn/s...v=100</A><p>The above mention was regarding the radio in the Avalon being slightly off center in the stack.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yep, radio seems like 0.25" off to the right, which I am sure wont kill you, but at the same time nav is about 0.75" closer to the driver than center... So thats actually good...<p>As to the ION, well Toyota is one of the companies that use those center gauges a lot, and they will keep using them more and more (some toyota's have steering wheel mounted speedo's too, and yes it was before C4)... I still find them weird to use in center, however higher they are, better it is

Naga Royal Guard
01-02-2005, 12:43 PM
BMW used to twist it to the driver, now toyota is doing opposite :)

Hornbag
01-02-2005, 07:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>really? interior looks better put together and more stylish that most of cars I can think of... Are you sure your problem isnt that it is an Toyota? :-)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It does have the quality, but what i ment was that the rear door is like a square, so they must have compromised the exterior to give heaps of space. The inside is ok (OMG i said a toyota is OK!!!), much better then other Toyotas. But ur right, i dis-like Toyotas, so ignor me! LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-02-2005, 07:14 PM
yeah, sp, this guy wants to beat his Land Cruiser w/ a baseball bat LOL

kevinb120
01-02-2005, 08:23 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>A marketing study probably had people liking the newer Infinity/Nissan product's styling, so copy it they shall. Nice car though, styling is not always the big winner for sales in its class, light years better then the outgoing model, if not original its much better just the same.

sc43018
01-03-2005, 09:33 AM
What is the average age of the driver of the current avalon? it may just be where i am, but it seems to be a grandma car.... i doubt they will care about a lack of styling or misplaced radio and nav

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 09:36 AM
farrrrrrrr beyond your age <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Flagship
01-03-2005, 01:47 PM
The median age for the current Avalon is 61 and when it comes to nav systems old people are very scared <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-03-2005, 02:38 PM
People over 50 don't need a NAV system, they've found their way all of their lives without a computer. I'm not sure why this generation feels the need to pay for these high priced options, other than it's a cool toy have. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'd probably need one once or twice a year, the rest of the time I know my way to work and the store. For the times that I do need to find my way I plan ahead and use Mapquest or something.

Krypton
01-03-2005, 03:08 PM
yea, a navi screen is pretty useless, typing in the places using a few buttons and then the directions are good. Its good if your really lost and are map-inept but other than that most people dont use it much. We've probably used ours twice this year and both were checking to see how it works.

A8inPA
01-03-2005, 03:20 PM
i like the interior but the exterior doesn't do it for me at all.<br>i don't understand that a company with the resources of toyota <br>can't sculpt the exterior of an automobile to be more attractive?<br>if there was ever an Achilles heal of toyota it's in how they<br>shape the sheet metal....lexus included. toyota should steal some of MB's designers and MB should steal some of toyota's quality control people. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> ....but....that would be just too simple!

Bluesman
01-03-2005, 03:55 PM
It's funny but Toyota thinks they have a winner on their hands... That remains to be seen.

spwolf
01-03-2005, 04:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's funny but Toyota thinks they have a winner on their hands... That remains to be seen.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol, of course they do... probably will turn out to be best car in class, wonderful interior, stylish exterior, and decent pricing. haha.<p>Even if you dont like Toyota, dont like what they do, it is hard to argue that this car is an century ahead old Avalon, in everything, including stying, engine, interior, and pricing wont rise so it is easy to see why they have another winner on hands...

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 05:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's funny but Toyota thinks they have a winner on their hands... That remains to be seen.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>and what company doesent have an optimistic view for a new product?<p>

spwolf
01-03-2005, 08:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>and what company doesent have an optimistic view for a new product?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>ford?

Bluesman
01-03-2005, 08:51 PM
I think it's an interesting car and I'm excited to see it, I just think it's funny how car makers are all hype about a new model when it's obviously not earth shattering stuff.<p>I think Bill Ford has an optimistic view, the rest of Ford is just plain odd. I don't think they get it.......

spwolf
01-04-2005, 06:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it's an interesting car and I'm excited to see it, I just think it's funny how car makers are all hype about a new model when it's obviously not earth shattering stuff.<p>I think Bill Ford has an optimistic view, the rest of Ford is just plain odd. I don't think they get it.......</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What exactly is earth shattering for you? Of course any company will tout their products as something awesome, and Avalon is awesome, it is not revolution in car transportation but it is something much better than before...<p>On the same scale, I dont think I have thought of any car as earth shattering for a while now... They all have their week spots, no matter how good they are and not everyone will like all cars the same...

Bluesman
01-04-2005, 07:17 AM
Toyota Prius - Totally blew my mind<br>PT Crusier - New twist on nostalgic styling<br>300C - First large american RWD in 15 years<br>The mini van<br>64 1/2 Mustang<br>58 Vette<br>Cylinder deactivation that works!<p>New stuff like that is earth shattering to me.

Bluesman
01-04-2005, 06:33 PM
I see Automobile magazine pulled that article today, the one where the pics. came from at the top of the thread. Do you think Toyota gave them a call?<p>Oooopppsss!

RetroJapan
01-06-2005, 03:17 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60263&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60266&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60268&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60267&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p>Source: ClubLexus<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RetroJapan at 2:23 PM 1/6/2005</i>

spwolf
01-06-2005, 03:45 PM
ah, there you go, good pics!<br>Looks good...

Bluesman
01-06-2005, 03:59 PM
Excellent work!

JBlair
01-06-2005, 04:00 PM
What a sad, deformed copy of about 5 different cars. (I see Phaeton, Altima, Avensis, Mark X, LS). Underwhelming, and quite odd.

GSturb0
01-06-2005, 04:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What a sad, deformed copy of about 5 different cars. (I see Phaeton, Altima, Avensis, Mark X, LS). Underwhelming, and quite odd.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>What's sad is that 4 out 5 cars you've mentioned are japanese so I don't see where you're going with this.

Bluesman
01-06-2005, 04:28 PM
Looks like a Toyota to me.

anonms
01-06-2005, 04:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What's sad is that 4 out 5 cars you've mentioned are japanese so I don't see where you're going with this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What's even more sad is that 3 of the 5 cars he mentioned are Toyotas.

spwolf
01-06-2005, 04:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What's even more sad is that 3 of the 5 cars he mentioned are Toyotas.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>at least it isnt compared to 7 series back anymore... haha what a joke...<p>People just envy Toyota too much :-). Local (european) VW dealer told one of our (now) customers that Toyota's last only for 3 years and then fall apart, guy actually got mad and purchased Avensis from us... He knew bull when he heard it :-)

knicks125
01-06-2005, 04:47 PM
Good job Toyota!<p>To say the least, the new Avalon is a lot more sportier, which should translate into buyers less than 68 yrs old...hopefully <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
01-06-2005, 04:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a Toyota to me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>uhhh...that's because it <I>is</I> a toyota <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> these new pictures make it look better IMO, overall i think the avalon is a nice-looking car.

Bluesman
01-06-2005, 04:53 PM
Read up a few posts where it was compared with a few other makes.......<p>I think it looks like it should, as a Toyota.<p>Well the last photo is the Touring model, at least now we know what the rear lip spoiler looks like. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bluesman at 5:06 PM 1/6/2005</i>

Hornbag
01-06-2005, 06:21 PM
[QUOTE=RetroJapan][img]<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60267&stc=1" BORDER="0">QUOTE]<p>WOW, now that picture is nice. I think that little lip spoiler makes a HUGE difference, although the rest of the car isnt to my taste (lets face it, either is the brand) but those pictures do make the car look heaps better. I do KINDA like the side view now...

SV
01-06-2005, 07:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Read up a few posts where it was compared with a few other makes.......<p>I think it looks like it should, as a Toyota.<p>Well the last photo is the Touring model, at least now we know what the rear lip spoiler looks like. <p><br><i>Modified by Bluesman at 5:06 PM 1/6/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>ah ok, i get it now, sorry about that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>hornbag_1: you don't dislike toyotas because they've nearly surpassed ford in global sales, do you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-06-2005, 07:25 PM
Yea I don't know, it's not tripping my trigger like I was thinking it might, we'll see when it hits the showroom.<p>I may just wait till the 06' ES comes out and see what they do with that. Hopefully it's the same engine.

RS
01-06-2005, 08:51 PM
nice looking car.<br>but on the white one, the hood looks as long as the windshield. Da hood should be longer to get that proportion right.

Roadster44
01-06-2005, 10:41 PM
Love the interior. Exterior I see Altiman at front, new Bora/Jetta/Phaeton at C-Pillar, rear end is purely Toyota. It looks all right, but I wouldn't buy it. However many people will love the interior and isolation from the road. Cheap man's Lexus. lol Ford 500 is screwed...well maybe what is the pricing on new Avalon? It'll succeed though regardless, and no I don't see it taking sales away from ES330.

Yannis
01-07-2005, 01:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>People just envy Toyota too much :-). </TD></TR></TABLE><p> That's true!I heard that Jay Z and Britney are going to sell their Mercedes SL to buy the new Avalon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-07-2005, 09:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Yannis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> That's true!I heard that Jay Z and Britney are going to sell their Mercedes SL to buy the new Avalon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>you mean 4 avalons each? apples to apples, oranges to oranges...

Naga Royal Guard
01-07-2005, 09:50 AM
fans of everyother brand take alot out on toyo; makes no sense really, they make simple cars that sell

Shrek
01-07-2005, 10:19 AM
This will sell better then the Current generation

Naga Royal Guard
01-07-2005, 10:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you mean 4 avalons each? apples to apples, oranges to oranges...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they may tradeup for the next gen SC or the production car the LF-A becomes <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Yannis
01-08-2005, 08:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> they make simple cars that sell</TD></TR></TABLE><p> That's the smartest thing i 've heard in a long time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

sciontc128
01-08-2005, 06:51 PM
The interior has a bit of a Prius twist.

scorpio14
01-08-2005, 08:39 PM
Wow its been a long time (been overseas...)...i only got me password now...must have gone into the Junk Filter...<p>Anywayz<p>I dont like the front BUT the rest looks nice

BMW rulez
01-08-2005, 09:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Yannis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> That's true!I heard that Jay Z and Britney are going to sell their Mercedes SL to buy the new Avalon. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What?!? I can't believe anyone would do that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> Can they get any stupider? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

GSturb0
01-08-2005, 09:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BMW_rulzz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What?!? I can't believe anyone would do that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> Can they get any stupider? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>He was sarcastic.

Roadster44
01-10-2005, 07:31 PM
Eh well some of those celebs do drive a Prius. So there is some truth to that joke!

CarMattZu777
01-10-2005, 08:38 PM
This takes the best sub 30K full size sedan to the next level. Its no comparison to its compeitors, Impala, Crown Vic, Diamante. I thik 500 and 300 are worthy competitors, but are much smaller.

Naga Royal Guard
01-10-2005, 08:40 PM
the 500 is big, i dont think this will be bigger

knicks125
01-11-2005, 06:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 500 is big, i dont think this will be bigger</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think out of the three, the 300 is the biggest, followed by the new Avalon (just because of the customer base, and a distance third will be the 500, sales are still lagging on this thing.<p>Am I talking the same thing you guys are?

Denali
01-11-2005, 06:32 AM
<IMG SRC="http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_toyota_avalon_rear_445.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>looks good but the back favors es...toyota needs 2 get slap 4 that

knicks125
01-11-2005, 07:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks good but the back favors es...toyota needs 2 get slap 4 that</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why should they? I thought they did a good job with the Avalon (hopefully it will attract buyers from other age groups)<p>What's wrong with the ES?

Denali
01-11-2005, 07:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What's wrong with the ES? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i just dont like the ES never had, looks lik a big camry, at least toyota should of change it up alittle as much cars they got, plus the 2nd gen avalon look better from the back, just my opinion

JBlair
01-11-2005, 07:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think out of the three, the 300 is the biggest, followed by the new Avalon (just because of the customer base, and a distance third will be the 500, sales are still lagging on this thing.<p>Am I talking the same thing you guys are?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think they were talking about actual size, not sales.

Oslo
01-11-2005, 07:22 PM
The interior is Toyota nice... but the exterior in these pics looks a little odd - and clumsy in design department. Maybe in person i'll think differently, but for now it gets a thumbs down from me.

Fabia SDI Elegance
01-12-2005, 12:23 AM
Very nice car.

ll0ll
01-12-2005, 03:57 AM
The c-style is a direct copy of the volkswagen phaeton. Not many cars have a c-style like that.

jro4566
01-12-2005, 07:10 AM
Good car nonetheless, but definitely not aimed for the young nor young-at-heart. I do like the 280HP engine...sounds spectacular, and heck it has more power than the GS300!

ddkk10
01-15-2005, 05:52 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad toyota finally decided to develop a high output V-6, but why put it in the toyota avalon? i don't think that its 60 + year old demograph will really see the 280 hp engine as necessary or find much use for it. Why not, for instance, put the engine in a high performance solara or perhaps a base version supra? someone clue me in...

Andrey
01-15-2005, 06:09 PM
Looks awesome especially interior but still doesn't look like car for active ppl!<br>I think they should put this engine into camry and solara but then GS will need even more horses I dunno...They have too many models

KaRaceR
01-16-2005, 10:49 AM
i usually like most toyota's but this one i dont

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 01:56 PM
Well it doesn't break any new ground, granted, but I suppose it really doesn't have to. I wish the rear window didn't end so abruptly, but the interior is gorgeous. And hey, my parents like it, and it seems that they are the target market for the new Avalon... so I'd say Toyota did alright here.

C6Dude
01-18-2005, 01:16 AM
Anyone know about the origins of the 3.5 litre engine? I don't have any idea where it came from. It doesn't appear to be utilized anywhere here in the States. Is it an international motor? Or is it just a re-worked (bored/stroked) 3.3 litre?<p>Sounds funny to use the terms bored and stroked with a toyota engine...hehe

spwolf
01-18-2005, 10:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>C6Dude</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone know about the origins of the 3.5 litre engine? I don't have any idea where it came from. It doesn't appear to be utilized anywhere here in the States. Is it an international motor? Or is it just a re-worked (bored/stroked) 3.3 litre?<p>Sounds funny to use the terms bored and stroked with a toyota engine...hehe</TD></TR></TABLE><p>GR engine series is an all-new engine series that started of with 250 hp V6 found in Prado (GX/4Runner) in 2003. Then it got its car-based variants in 2004 in awesome selling Crown series and now Mark X, in 2.5 220hp and 3.0 255hp variants. Engine in Avalon is an new 3.5 liter version with 280hp.<p>By the rate both Crown series and Mark X are selling, they seem to be good engines. We will see... Hopefully that supercharger comes here as well...

Naga Royal Guard
01-18-2005, 12:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>C6Dude</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Sounds funny to use the terms bored and stroked with a toyota engine...hehe</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>i totally agree with that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>the 3.5 is a de-bored 4.0 from the 4runner/prado

kevinb120
01-18-2005, 04:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What a sad, deformed copy of about 5 different cars. (I see Phaeton, Altima, Avensis, Mark X, LS). Underwhelming, and quite odd.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I see the same, they sell on reputation, and style new models based on anything determined hip at the time relentlessly, regardless of what maker thought of it. Somehow they never quite 'get' it right. But people like rolling refrigerators I guess.

spwolf
01-18-2005, 04:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kevinb120</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I see the same, they sell on reputation, and style new models based on anything determined hip at the time relentlessly, regardless of what maker thought of it. Somehow they never quite 'get' it right. But people like rolling refrigerators I guess.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol, it sure looks like they get it right most of the time...<p>Autoweek has pretty nice article about new Avalon:<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101625" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101625</A><p>Still targetting about similar aged customer. Even with 4" longer wheelbase, 70hp stronger engine and more standard equipment, the new car is only 70lbs heavier than outgoing model. 0-60 in 6.6 secs, and base price ONLY $200 more, despite more equipment, engine, etc, etc. Their estimated sales of 85k per year will most likely be at least 50% more... Engine is quite impressive, 22/30 mpg.<p>Compared with Maxima, it is actually cheaper, better equiped, faster, spends 10% less fuel, 4" longer and 50lbs lighter. eh. heh.

DoMiNo
01-18-2005, 05:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kevinb120</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I see the same, they sell on reputation, and style new models based on anything determined hip at the time relentlessly, regardless of what maker thought of it. Somehow they never quite 'get' it right. But people like rolling refrigerators I guess.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hey now... as the driver of a 1999 Isuzu Trooper, I take the rolling refrigerator comment to heart. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>... and on that note, I see your point. But I still think it's leaps and bounds ahead of the competition (major exception being the Chrysler 300, which makes every other car in the full-sized segment seem like a horrible joke, so we ought to put that in a category of its own).

RetroJapan
01-19-2005, 07:32 PM
A few more pics:<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10202-229881-2960/widef3-4.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10202-229881-2956/rear3-4.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10202-229881-2957/front3-4.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10202-229881-2959/directrearview.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10202-229881-2958/sideview.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: Autoweek Forums<p>Looks MUCH better than the press pics, IMO... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
01-19-2005, 08:15 PM
it looks great in those pictures <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> one thing that bugs me though is that the front overhang looks long even though it isn't.

Bluesman
01-19-2005, 09:37 PM
Yea it looks pretty good here, I'm still confused by the lack of VSC or TC options on the Touring........ Hopefully that's an omisson in the online lit. from Toyota.

Naga Royal Guard
01-20-2005, 07:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea it looks pretty good here, I'm still confused by the lack of VSC or TC options on the Touring........ Hopefully that's an omisson in the online lit. from Toyota.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>quote from autoweek article <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Toyota dumped a front bench seat option.<p>On the mechanical side, options include antilock brakes with brake assist and electronic brake force distribution, as well as traction control and vehicle stability control. Side curtain airbags and a driver's knee airbag are standard..</TD></TR></TABLE> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-20-2005, 08:52 AM
Naga,<p>Go look at the website, VSC and TC aren't options for the XL or Touring, only the XLS and Limited..........<p><A HREF="http://www.toyota.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.com</A>

VexedandGlorious
01-21-2005, 10:24 AM
for all of you who like this thing you may disagree with this statement<p>"Not everyone wants flamboyant, distinctive design; there is a place for a quieter more reserved aesthetic. But the Avalon seems to miss even this. It is, simply, unattractive"<br>From a design review at cardesignnews.com

DoMiNo
01-21-2005, 10:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Siren</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for all of you who like this thing you may disagree with this statement<p>"Not everyone wants flamboyant, distinctive design; there is a place for a quieter more reserved aesthetic. But the Avalon seems to miss even this. It is, simply, unattractive"<br>From a design review at cardesignnews.com</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I suspect buyers will disagree...<p>Besides, isn't anything an improvement over the current model?

Naga Royal Guard
01-21-2005, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Naga,<p>Go look at the website, VSC and TC aren't options for the XL or Touring, only the XLS and Limited..........<p><A HREF="http://www.toyota.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.com</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok, my bad; it used to be hard to get a tacoma w/ ABS, toyota is odd about such things i guess <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-21-2005, 12:04 PM
It's really too bad, what I'd like is a Limited with black leather interior and a sport suspension option. I don't think that's too much to ask.

spwolf
01-21-2005, 04:27 PM
it looks pretty nice in those pics... Lol... if they priced it so well, and only expect to move 85k per year, they are in for a treat...

Soul Man
01-21-2005, 05:24 PM
so what is the on sale date for this car?

Naga Royal Guard
01-22-2005, 12:19 AM
honestly i cant see them selling 1/2 as much

spwolf
01-22-2005, 07:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">honestly i cant see them selling 1/2 as much</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really, and that is based on...? You think it will sell less than old Avalon last year? Hm, really... All those new features, better looks, awesome interior, by far more advanced engine, and all at only $200 more... hm. I bet that in first 12 months of sales, they will be able to sell at least 120,000 units, as long as there is enough production...<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-22-2005, 07:51 AM
dont think the maxima pushes nearly as many units, and that car got alot of good press - i could imagine 50k, but well see <p>i guess i regard such a large toyota as niche

spwolf
01-22-2005, 08:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont think the maxima pushes nearly as many units, and that car got alot of good press - i could imagine 50k, but well see <p>i guess i regard such a large toyota as niche</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Old Avalon had peak sales of 120,000 in 2001... I would agree with you if the car costs 40k, but it doesnt... And if old Avalon sold in smaller numbers, which it didnt... It is hard to expected for such an giant lap in vehicle for the same price, not to sell as well...<p>I doubt Toyota will have any trouble selling all it wants to produce, it is an steal at that price with all of it that offers...

Naga Royal Guard
01-22-2005, 10:54 AM
your right about the 01, i remember seeing tons of them on the road - this will hit heads w/ the 500/Montego and 300C now, the 300 is still a hotcake ( even tho the V6 models arent the best value IMO )

Flagship
01-22-2005, 02:13 PM
In 2003-2004 the Avalon only sold 30,000 units<p>I just can¬Ět believe that the Avalon will have 280 hp <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> If Toyota can make a 280 hp engine than anything is possible for Toyota.<br>

Naga Royal Guard
01-22-2005, 03:23 PM
they made "320" hp in the MKIV Supra Turbo, and pushining more wasnt hard at all; this is a company that likes to hold back on the goodies ..

spwolf
01-22-2005, 05:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they made "320" hp in the MKIV Supra Turbo, and pushining more wasnt hard at all; this is a company that likes to hold back on the goodies ..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Heh, well... yes, they do try to prolong the engine sales so investment pays off, its Toyota afterall... but then again, they did start the HP wars originally and even Camry got 225hp engine 2 years ago (does it really need one?). Future is bright though, this year Toyota should be amonth top contenders in hp wars, once again (of course, talking about normal models, not 500hp versions that get sold in hundreds)

Naga Royal Guard
01-22-2005, 06:15 PM
the hp wars heated up when the Acura CL/TL got a 260 hp Type-S version, then it went mainstream w/ the Altima V6 and the pervious Maxima 3.5 ( what a beautiful car it WAS ) toyota hit the bandwagon first w/ the camry 3.3 - im amazed that engine exists only in North America; very unlike toyota to do that!!!

spwolf
02-05-2005, 03:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the hp wars heated up when the Acura CL/TL got a 260 hp Type-S version, then it went mainstream w/ the Altima V6 and the pervious Maxima 3.5 ( what a beautiful car it WAS ) toyota hit the bandwagon first w/ the camry 3.3 - im amazed that engine exists only in North America; very unlike toyota to do that!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it all started with Lexus when GS got V8 long, long time ago... As to 3.3 engine, yes it is unusual that it is US specific BUT you have to take into consideration that so many of them got sold through all variations that it isnt really un-toyota thing :-)

Naga Royal Guard
02-05-2005, 05:43 PM
yeah, i remember that, the GS 400 had a much more agressive tire package than the 300, the car took MT's Import Car of the Year, back in the C. Van Tune days.

spwolf
02-06-2005, 05:23 PM
Nice page with a lot of info:<br><A HREF="http://home.netcom.com/~eugenek/2005ToyotaAvalon.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://home.netcom.com/~eugene...n.htm</A>

1966_GTO_
02-06-2005, 08:35 PM
Saw both the Avalon and the GS400 at the Philly Auto Show today. Both pretty nice, I'm still not a big fan of either's styling. I was hoping for a better upgrade from the previous models.

Flagship
02-08-2005, 02:09 PM
The new Avalon.... <A HREF="http://www.toyota.com/avalon/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.com/avalon/index.html</A> <br>280 HP WITH mpg ESTIMATES 22 IN CITY AND 3I ON HIGWAY IS THIS A TOYOTA OR AM I <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
02-08-2005, 03:56 PM
The new Avalon is undoubtedly a great car... but the styling is terrible. The interior and exterior look tacky - especially with those doors over the stereo. Very 80's. This looks like something from a 1980's Oldsmobile or Thunderbird.<p>Given that Buick and Toyota have similar quality ratings.. I would take the new Buick Lucerne with the Northstar V8 over the Avalon any day.

spwolf
02-08-2005, 04:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The new Avalon is undoubtedly a great car... but the styling is terrible. The interior and exterior look tacky - especially with those doors over the stereo. Very 80's. This looks like something from a 1980's Oldsmobile or Thunderbird.<p>Given that Buick and Toyota have similar quality ratings.. I would take the new Buick Lucerne with the Northstar V8 over the Avalon any day.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that 80's Oldsmobile rocks, doesnt it? Which one exactly?

Andre
02-10-2005, 01:40 AM
went to the dealer yesterday and saw it there, I'm due to go back and test drive it, I'll tell you how the 3.5 does <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p93ffe337afebace4f3775281434e0ac9/f52dcfbc.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pede94cf8f8cf415145fab91dfcfe9d55/f52dcfc2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p1c9ad9084512720b5d09d73ff8afec14/f52dcfc5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p4e143ced2b074441ae087aea0cf1fe64/f52dcfcc.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pb73fda25a2d1dc0a5572f5c0534a7b25/f52dcfcd.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p4659ca7f10260379f3030a47772fc1cb/f52dce7c.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p8d25d13173ee6e44b9fa58d2f54ff34b/f52dce74.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pe1a0c0d307904a5db3d82fc85fb47554/f52dce67.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Leg room shot was taken with the front seat all the way back, I... <b>I</b> of all people had to scoot it foreward to reach the pedals, and still wasn't close enough for comfort when I decided that power seats are too slow and moved on. The car is growing on me now, I'll tell you more when I test it in a few days.

knicks125
02-10-2005, 05:14 AM
Very nice pics...yeah the avalon is growing on me too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 05:59 PM
well the Avalon is growing one me, i now think the inside is OK, i hate the front and the back door, but OMG, that rear end is to kill for! If i ever become a plastic surgeon, im gona make somones bum like that!

Naga Royal Guard
02-11-2005, 06:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well the Avalon is growing one me, i now think the inside is OK, i hate the front and the back door, but OMG, that rear end is to kill for! If i ever become a plastic surgeon, im gona make somones bum like that!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>wow <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
02-11-2005, 08:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well the Avalon is growing one me, i now think the inside is OK, i hate the front and the back door, but OMG, that rear end is to kill for! If i ever become a plastic surgeon, im gona make somones bum like that!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree... it's slowly growing on me. The front leaves much to be desired, IMO, but the rear is really pretty good looking (especially in those last pictures). And I love the interior!! It's almost Lexus-like... and you can get this thing completely loaded for like $33k! My parents will no doubt be impressed by this thing.

Soul Man
02-11-2005, 08:36 PM
yeah but im not crazy about the radio having a cover, i mean thats something thall be used like 90% of the time, i can see the navi controls, i mean it cleans it up and most people wont use it alot, but the cover on the radio seems like somethign to break or itll just always be left open and look kind of messy.

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 08:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>wow <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> LOL

DoMiNo
02-11-2005, 09:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dooey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah but im not crazy about the radio having a cover, i mean thats something thall be used like 90% of the time, i can see the navi controls, i mean it cleans it up and most people wont use it alot, but the cover on the radio seems like somethign to break or itll just always be left open and look kind of messy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps... and I don't know how the cover will feel in the Avalon, but I was less than impressed with the quality of the one in the Scion tC. On that note, however, I love Toyota's solution for the Nav controls... I think that's terrific. And it looks relatively simple to use, which is a plus for the Avalon's target market.

Flagship
02-12-2005, 04:31 PM
The Lexus SC430 does the same thing w/ the radio too.<p>Today i saw the new Avalon at a dealer looked great inside and out. I think it had real aluminum trim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Flagship GT at 3:49 PM 2/12/2005</i>

jjazz0092002
02-14-2005, 02:30 PM
Too much wood in the interior. And it looks fake.

Krypton
02-14-2005, 02:33 PM
i dont see too much wood, but the weird thing is this has more wood than the new gs. The commercials have started and they are not that bad

Flagship
02-14-2005, 02:46 PM
It would be funny if the Avalon used real wood because when i looked at them at the Toyota Dealer it looked like they had real wood(very unlikely).

Denali
02-14-2005, 02:46 PM
is it me or this looks like an over size ES330<br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10202-229881-2958/sideview.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>i went inside of one, n it looks sweet, i think the wood is real

knicks125
02-14-2005, 02:52 PM
it's essentially a premium car like the ES<p>the same can be said on the Solara <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Flagship
02-14-2005, 02:54 PM
It looks nothing like an Lexus ES 330.<br><A HREF="http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=e37108uw.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img236.exs.cx/img236/9575/e37108uw.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Flagship GT at 1:59 PM 2/14/2005</i>

spwolf
02-14-2005, 04:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It looks nothing like an Lexus ES 330.<br><A HREF="http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=e37108uw.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img236.exs.cx/img236/9575/e37108uw.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><br><i>Modified by Flagship GT at 1:59 PM 2/14/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>what about those 4 wheels? huh, huh, huh?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
02-14-2005, 06:00 PM
Saw one today... its a really nice solid car. The sticker was at like 36K so I guess I saw the top of the line.

knicks125
02-14-2005, 08:46 PM
that must be the limited version, probably loaded b/c the msrp for limited starts just a little over 33K.<p>I think 36K might be a stretch but the base version (XL) is a good deal for only 26k

Hornbag
02-15-2005, 12:41 AM
I figured it out!!!!! Finally, the thing i really dialike is the short bonnet!!!! Its really short, and the front wheels is to close to the front door. Otherwise, a Toyota that looks pretty good!

VexedandGlorious
02-15-2005, 12:29 PM
Ive seen this in person, and i have to saw the interior is brillant, but the exterior is a disapointment to me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>its the whole double belt line thing that effects me.<p>

spwolf
02-15-2005, 05:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that must be the limited version, probably loaded b/c the msrp for limited starts just a little over 33K.<p>I think 36K might be a stretch but the base version (XL) is a good deal for only 26k</TD></TR></TABLE><p>every option on the option list means 37k... Thats with dynamic laser cruise control and dvd sat nav, smart key entry, jbl audio and pretty much everything else you can imagine to get in the car...<p>I would pick XLS as pick of the range...<p>

knicks125
02-15-2005, 09:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>every option on the option list means 37k... Thats with dynamic laser cruise control and dvd sat nav, smart key entry, jbl audio and pretty much everything else you can imagine to get in the car...<p>I would pick XLS as pick of the range...<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't that what I said..."probably loaded"...you didn't have to spell out all of the optional equipment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I know already <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Buster
02-17-2005, 03:14 PM
The Avalon, like most Toyotas, is unattractive inside and out. At least they are consistent. Bad design is bad design. A lot of people praising the Avalon does not make it good, it just gives those that like it bad taste.

anonms
02-17-2005, 04:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Avalon, like most Toyotas, is unattractive inside and out. At least they are consistent. Bad design is bad design. A lot of people praising the Avalon does not make it good, it just gives those that like it bad taste. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Meanwhile, thsoe who praise the Avalon could argue that those who find the Avalon unattractive ate the ones with bad taste...

Naga Royal Guard
02-17-2005, 04:20 PM
yeah, they also say buicks are beautiful and attractive

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 12:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, they also say buicks are beautiful and attractive</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> Sarcasim is funny, but u took it a little far there Naga <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-18-2005, 09:33 AM
although Naga does have a point...good come backs made by Naga and chibi ichigo, b/c Buster's point was ignorant and shallow<p>As long we stay on this Buick subject Naga brought up, In my opinion, Toyota line of cars are more beautiful and more attractive than Buicks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-18-2005, 09:38 AM
ah yes, this reminds me of a good time when we had the wonderful member "Buick2004" here; too bad he droped out of existance before the Lacrosse even debuted lol

knicks125
02-18-2005, 09:39 AM
maybe it was because 2004 has passed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-18-2005, 09:50 AM
he was on the forums in late '03- he was banned too; but man was he funny :)

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 09:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he was on the forums in late '03- he was banned too; but man was he funny :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Then another idiot came along. He hasnt been banned (yet), but all he talks about is BLODDY Ford! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>On topic, i can fully say im happy with this car. Its not perfect, but what is these days (apart from me!). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

Buster
02-23-2005, 09:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b/c Buster's point was ignorant and shallow<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Being shallow is my best quality, goes hand in hand with being drop dead gorgeous <p> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my opinion, Toyota line of cars are more beautiful and more attractive than Buicks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> Well, that just goes to show that we are ALL entitled to have ignorant opinions <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> toyotas...beautiful?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
02-23-2005, 09:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> Well, that just goes to show that we are ALL entitled to have ignorant opinions <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> toyotas...beautiful?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>They're gorgeous to me.

Andre
02-23-2005, 10:29 PM
I own a RAV4 and my Mom a Corolla. Both cars are absolute joys to own. The RAV looks Great... The Corolla, well, better than Sentra, Aerio, Elantra, Civic, Focus, you get the drift.<p>I don't want to see bashing of each other and our opinions. if you don't like it don't raise hell, just state your opinion in a manner facilitative to the the conversation ("The nose is a bit too brick-like, and the Belt line is too high IMHO. I'll stick to my Ford Five Hundred")

spwolf
02-24-2005, 04:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, they also say buicks are beautiful and attractive</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yep, it is kind of funny... lot of ppl that say how Avalon is ugly and bad then turn and say how Buicks are beautiful and sporty... Just doesnt make sense to the objective eyes...

Flagship
02-24-2005, 04:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, that just goes to show that we are ALL entitled to have ignorant opinions toyotas...beautiful?? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Toyotas are beautiful. What car company are you comparing them to BMW?<p>Over all this Avalon is a huge improvement from the last one.

JBlair
02-24-2005, 04:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Over all this Avalon is a huge improvement from the last one. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which isn't saying much.............

Flagship
02-24-2005, 04:26 PM
See it in person and you will know what i am saying.

CarMattZu777
02-24-2005, 04:57 PM
I love the new Avalon! I wish that my family had less kids so we could get one! I guess everyone has their own opinions, but I find Toyotas very nice looking, and appearantly, all the millions of ppl who buy them do as well. 4Runner, Avalon, Camry, Prius, all look very nice and I congratulate Toyota on another well done vehicle,

knicks125
02-24-2005, 05:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, that just goes to show that we are ALL entitled to have ignorant opinions <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> toyotas...beautiful?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Except many of us have opinions based on facts and experiences, your opinions are ignorant b/c they make no sense whatsoever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Granted, there are prettier cars than Toyotas, but Toyotas are defn. more beautiful than Buicks, I can find 99 other people who would agree with me, that one person left who think otherwise is YOU.<p>You need to get some help and also get some fresh perspectives, please don't tell me Lacrosse and Lucerne are better than Camry and Avalon, b/c those two buicks don't even come close <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 7:53 PM 2/24/2005</i>

Dodger
02-24-2005, 06:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>don't tell me Lacrosse and Lucerne are better than Camry and Avalon, b/c those two buicks don't even come close <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by knicks125 at 7:53 PM 2/24/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. I just read a review on the Lacrosse today and it was criticized for having a poor quality interior (i.e.- uneveness/gaps in trim)

SV
02-24-2005, 06:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Except many of us have opinions based on facts and experiences, your opinions are ignorant b/c they make no sense whatsoever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Granted, there are prettier cars than Toyotas, but Toyotas are defn. more beautiful than Buicks, I can find 99 other people who would agree with me, that one person left who think otherwise is YOU.<p>You need to get some help and also get some fresh perspectives, please don't tell me Lacrosse and Lucerne are better than Camry and Avalon, b/c those two buicks don't even come close <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by knicks125 at 7:53 PM 2/24/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, as much as i disagree with what buster said, you need to remember that people have different opinions on styling. i personally think, styling-wise, the lacrosse is above average and the lucerne is too, maybe better-resolved in that area than the avalon (although i still agree that the avalon is, other than styling, the better car overall)<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Agreed. I just read a review on the Lacrosse today and it was criticized for having a poor quality interior (i.e.- uneveness/gaps in trim)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what review said that? i've sat in the lacrosse and was very impressed; the panel gaps didn't seem uneven and the materials were excellent. i might judge interior quality more easily than the reviewer you're talking about though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-24-2005, 06:56 PM
This is a bit off-topic but I feel sorry for Buick (GM) to try and come up with two new cars to appeal to a younger crowd, so far the Lacrosse hasn't worked and the Lucerne is not likely to turn around either, the Lucerne name itself just doesn't sound right and it's weird to pronounce <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW...every sinlge Lacrosse I have seen so far are driven by elders (they drive 50 in 65 zone and yet still 50 during heavy snow and crashed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">), although I've only seen a few and they probably don't mean much, it still goes to tell the dominant buyers are still the same crowd as it has been for years...it's not going to change anytime soon...sorry buick<p>Alrighty...back to Avalon...sorry for getting off the topic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
02-24-2005, 09:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>what review said that? i've sat in the lacrosse and was very impressed; the panel gaps didn't seem uneven and the materials were excellent. i might judge interior quality more easily than the reviewer you're talking about though </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It was on <A HREF="http://www.detnews.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com</A>. It was a comparison between the Lacrosse and Montego- here it is. <A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosconsumer/0502/24/F01-97884.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/au...4.htm</A> FYI- the Montego won<p>And again.....back to the Avalon!!

Denali
02-25-2005, 12:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW...every sinlge Lacrosse I have seen so far are driven by elders (they drive 50 in 65 zone and yet still 50 during heavy snow and crashed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">), although I've only seen a few and they probably don't mean much, it still goes to tell the dominant buyers are still the same crowd as it has been for years...it's not going to change anytime soon...sorry buick</TD></TR></TABLE><p> down here the lacrosse is use as rentals, i see way more younger people driving them, i just had one a couple of days ago n it handle well in the snow, camry is a better car but lacrosse is not far behind it

Krypton
02-25-2005, 05:44 AM
Ive only seen one, maybe people here have good taste and arent so old <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> I think this car is a really good deal, if i was older i would probably buy one

spwolf
02-25-2005, 05:45 AM
well thing that people forgot is than Toyota or Buick dont want to lose their older drivers - why would they? Toyota expects to have 61 yr old average buyer for Avalon, thats what the car was made for...

knicks125
02-25-2005, 08:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> down here the lacrosse is use as rentals, i see way more younger people driving them, i just had one a couple of days ago n it handle well in the snow, camry is a better car but lacrosse is not far behind it</TD></TR></TABLE><p>already used as rentals? wow <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I never said it didn't handle well...it's just that people who can't drive under normal condition, how do you expect them to drive under sereve conditions, no matter what kind of car you have...just the other day, i saw a four wheel drive <B>Land Rover </B> flipped upside down on the snow bank...have no idea how it got there but something tell me the drive wasn't careful at all <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
02-25-2005, 01:34 PM
this is an AVALON thread, please direct it to such!!

mzoltarp
02-26-2005, 07:47 AM
Where the Avalon will shine and the Lacrosse will sputter is that the latter is pretty much a restyled Regal which itself was a thin restyle of the previous regal. The Lacrosse chassis is therefore pretty much a 20 yr old design with bubblegum and bandaids to freshen it. The Avalon is a super Camry and the Camry platform certainly isn't decades old. Toyota does exceptional, but boring cars, and that is what the segment demands. Four years ago I considered a Camry, an Avalon, and a Hyundai XG300. I bought the Hyundai because it had more style, equal luxury, and a better price. I think the new Avalon and the new XG will be compelling reasons not to buy a Buick.

knicks125
02-26-2005, 09:18 AM
well said, people please do not bring up lacrosse, lucerne, maxima, and compare them to the new Avalon, or even to the soon to be debuted XG replacement. As much as I do not have interests in those cars, I do believe those two are the best in class. Lacrosse and Maxima are midsize sedans (maxima is not a full-size sedan, just a more sportier version of the altima, and a loaded altima cost the same as a loaded maxima, what kind of pricing strategy is that), and lucerne is an underpowered v8, there's no need for a v8, even on a flagship sedan, not one when it only produces 275 horses (on a passenger car).<p>Espeically for those people that are interested in buicks, please go drive them and then drive the imports, then come back and start talking. I am not asking you not to like Buicks, but please offer your comments based on how you like the car, not what other people says or your bias, otherwise please don't post crap in here and flood this thread and many others with your nonsense, ignorant and shallow comments...go out, drive and feel the car before start talking sh** about the car, at the very least <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, I have test driven these cars and I felt the new Avalon and the current gen XG both offer the best ride and the overall factors (price, quality, safety, execution) vs. all other cars listed above <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> If I was in the market right now for these, I would certainly consider the new Avalon or the new XG replacement (TG) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>EDIT: just saw something interesting, look how many discussion pages and posts the avalon and XG has, and compare those to the other ones, and we are not even including version 2 of CSS, you get the idea <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 11:26 AM 2/26/2005</i>

megadethmartyr
02-26-2005, 02:24 PM
I must say having seen a few of the Avalon commercials, I fairly impressed with the look of the car. I haven't driven one yet although I expect it to be boring and soft. That isn't a slam mind you, being that that is exactly how Toyota wants this car to be for the target buyers ( upper aged ). I respect the fact that Toyota knows it's market and doesn't try to cater to anything else. It's this reason (with the Maxima, TL, 300C, and the upcoming TG) why Oldsmobile is done, Buick is on it's last leg, and Lincoln is hurting so much. Detroit needs some better offerings, and fast.

knicks125
02-26-2005, 02:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's this reason (with the Maxima, TL, 300C, and the upcoming TG) why Oldsmobile is done, Buick is on it's last leg, and Lincoln is hurting so much. Detroit needs some better offerings, and fast.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> very true<p>a true fact but many people are still in denial today <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
02-26-2005, 11:24 PM
I just think for the segment as well as the target buyers, Toyota has done well with this new Avalon. That hurt to say that.

Hornbag
02-26-2005, 11:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just think for the segment as well as the target buyers, Toyota has done well with this new Avalon. That hurt to say that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, it hut me 2! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> like i banged my head with a hammer!<p>But this is a very nice car, it like a lot of other cars needs time or to be seen in the flesh (not that i have).

Dodger
02-27-2005, 09:07 PM
I saw a small blip about the Avalon this morning on Car and Driver and the 3.5 can haul this baby to 60 in 6.6 seconds!!

Naga Royal Guard
02-27-2005, 09:15 PM
drove around a toyota dealer, car doesnt look bad, there was something in the way of seeing it entirely tho :(