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knicks125
12-28-2004, 11:37 AM
A very nice article, from MotorTrend/Ward's Auto World (12/28/04) about Hyundai's market in the US and an overview of its new SUV, Tucson <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news55/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://motortrend.com/features....html</A><p><B>Buying Hyundai to Get A Lot of Vehicle</B> <br>Ward's Auto World - December 28, 2004 <p><I>Motor Trend </I><p>Back in the 1980s and 1990s, most U.S. owners purchased a Hyundai because it was the only new vehicle they could afford. <p>It was either a Hyundai or a used car. Hyundai Motor America Inc.'s own internal research dubbed these buyers "captive resentfuls." <p>Today, Hyundai is the darling of the U.S. auto industry. Following a 1990s' bumpy patch, when quality issues plagued the brand, U.S. sales have skyrocketed 344% since 1998.<p>Last year, Hyundai blew past Volkswagen of America Inc. to become the nation's fourth-biggest importer, selling 400,221 vehicles to VW's 302,686. This year, it is poised to surpass the 2003 figure, and by 2006 it may sell half a million vehicles here.<p>With an expanding lineup and its 5-year/60,000-mile (96,558 km) warranty still going strong after six years, Hyundai is the one auto maker the Big Six are keeping an eye on.<p>The Tucson compact cross/utility vehicle unveiled to the media in Portland, OR, is encouraging further scrutiny.<p>The new Tucson is aimed directly at Ford Motor Co.'s Escape, the top-selling CUV in the U.S., as well as the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4. Some 64% of early sales came from buyers trading in other brands, with Ford or Toyota models each accounting for 20% of trade-ins, while some 13% swapped a Honda for a Tucson, says Hyundai.<p>Not surprising: Hyundai's second CUV is a lot of vehicle for - relatively speaking - not a lot of money. Beginning at $17,499 sans destination and handling, it is nearly $2,500 less than the '05 Escape ($19,995) and $3,000 less than CR-V ($20,510).<p>The Tucson, with its optional 2.7L SOHC V-6 mated to a 4-speed Shiftronic automatic gearbox, is an appealing and well-appointed package. The standard content and features found on this sub-$20,000 model is an industry first in the U.S., says Hyundai.<p>Standard features include six airbags (including side curtain and seat-mounted side bags), 4-channel antilock disc brakes with electronic brake-force distribution, traction control, power windows, power door locks and mirrors, remote keyless entry with alarm, heated side mirrors, heated windshield wiper rests and 6-speaker AM/FM/CD stereo system.<p>The real kicker: All Tucsons come standard with anti-skid electronic stability control (from South Korean safety supplier Mando Corp.). The Honda CR-V also has a standard stability-control system, as does the RAV4, which begins at $18,550, and the feature is sure to expand to other CUV models in coming years. <p>ESC thankfully was not tested on the rain-soaked Oregon highways. <p>However, the standard front-wheel-drive GLS model was more than adequate when climbing the wet, twisty mountain roads and even performed nicely on a challenging off-road course.<p>Optional for the entry-level GL and mid-level GLS models, and standard on the LX, is BorgWarner Inc.'s Electronic InterActive Torque Manage-ment all-wheel-drive system, which can send 99% of torque to the front wheels. But if road conditions change, some 50% of available power can be automatically apportioned to the rear.<p>By monitoring throttle position, front-wheel angle and slippage, the Borg-Warner AWD system channels power to the axle with the best traction. A dash-mounted button gives the driver the ability to lock a 50/50 torque split.<p>The V-6, which makes 173 hp and 178 lb.-ft. (241 Nm) of torque, supplies ample power, and it accelerates nicely around slow rigs on 2-lane highways near the Oregon coastline. Tucson's 4-wheel independent suspension provides for a surprisingly smooth ride.<p>The V-6's fuel economy of 19/24 mpg city/highway (12.4L and 9.8L/100 km) bests that of the V-6 Escape.<p>The standard 2L DOHC 4-cyl. for the Tucson GL, meanwhile, makes 140 hp and 136 lb.-ft. (184 Nm) of torque. It must be weak - Hyundai didn't bother to bring any for the test drive.<p>Exterior styling is sportier and arguably more attractive than the quirky Santa Fe, Hyundai's first CUV. But Tucson still is unmistakably a Hyundai, with its bulbous corners and dark lower-body cladding.<p>Inside, adjustable armrests pop up to support drivers with short limbs - a welcome addition in a vehicle in any price range.<p>One of the few flaws found in an otherwise great package was the fact that beige-colored trim parts on the door panels and instrument panel appeared to be different shades.<p>Another minor complaint is the loud fabric Hyundai selected for the seats. The small-checks-connected-by-thin-lines pattern is reminiscent of waiting-room chairs in a 1980s dentist's office. It's bad enough on the seats, but downright annoying on the door panels.<p>Tucson boasts more front legroom than the Escape and CR-V (42.1 ins. [106.9 cm]), and more rear legroom than the Escape and RAV4 (37.2 ins. [94.5 cm]). The second-row seat folds flat with the push of a single button, neatly stowing backrests and headrests. The cargo area has a washable floor with storage underneath, plus six tie-downs and three grocery-bag hooks.<p>The '05 Tucson comes in three trim levels, the base GL, mid-level GLS and top-of-the-line LX. The GL is the only model to come standard with the 4-cyl. Hooking up the 2L with the automatic gearbox brings a GL to $18,299. Adding 4WD to the 5-speed manual-equipped GL makes it $18,999.<p>The V-6 GLS, with 4-speed automatic and FWD, is $19,999. With the addition of 4WD, the same vehicle is $21,499. The LX (with its standard V-6) is $21,249; the addition of 4WD brings it to $22,749. Destination and handling for all Tucsons is $595.<p><I>Copyright 2004 by Primedia Business Magazines & Media, Inc.</I>

Player4
12-28-2004, 04:10 PM
The Hyundai Tucson is a very nice cSUV for my taste and its also a bang for the buck, you get soo much stuff for such a great price that is unbeatable and plus its soo good and well built that this is going to be ver succesful and a very good seller. My sister is already thinking one GLS AWD Automatic or LX AWD Automatic buying one like in 2 years becasue of the snow here and she wants to have an SUV as her next car.<br>

knicks125
12-28-2004, 05:06 PM
Yeah...I'm thinking of getting one too. It'd be used as a second car so that I can drive to work - trying not to too many miles on my coupe <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What's so great about the Tucson is that, so many safety features (standard) for such a reasonable price, there's just nothing else that can beat it. Some people argued that there are no NAV or entertainment system available, but I'd take safety over those optional items any day <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What a great job Hyundai is doing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
12-30-2004, 06:26 AM
the Mrs. is totally digging hers. bad news is I have set myself a standard for Christmas presents that is going to suck to try and top. Eh, what can you do?

knicks125
12-30-2004, 07:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the Mrs. is totally digging hers. bad news is I have set myself a standard for Christmas presents that is going to suck to try and top. Eh, what can you do?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>get her the new XG(TG) for next Christmas <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
12-31-2004, 10:16 AM
I will be driving a Sonata next spring, but come summer, good chance I'll be driving a TG.

knicks125
01-13-2005, 06:15 AM
Hyundai Tucson made the CSS SUV of the Year Poll - vote here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13231" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13231</A>

knicks125
01-28-2005, 07:50 AM
A good critic review of the Tucson:<p><A HREF="http://washingtontimes.com/autoweekend/20050127-124611-5072r.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://washingtontimes.com/aut...r.htm</A><p>- Washington Times<p>EDIT: Another one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2005-01-28-drive_x.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/money/...x.htm</A><p>USA Today<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 11:35 AM 1/28/2005</i>

knicks125
01-29-2005, 09:49 PM
Another review...the latest of many comparisons between the Tucson, the CR-V, and the RAV4:<p><A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44937-2005Jan28.html/?nav=lb" TARGET="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...av=lb</A><p>Washington Post

spwolf
02-01-2005, 08:01 PM
German review of 6 different 4x4 drives: Fiat Panda, Hyunda Tucson, VW Gold, Audi A6, Land Rover LR3. Tucson.<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=7875&artikel_seite=7" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/test/ne...ite=7</A><p>Tucsons 4x4 drive got worst grades by far, even Panda's were better... Especially bad wet road handling and firm snow due to part time 4x4 system...<p>This was not an off road test but road test in different climate conditions that require 4x4 (different types of snow, rain).

knicks125
02-01-2005, 08:09 PM
you told me to compare oranges to oranges, apples to apples, but what was that?<p>how do you compare the Tucson to cars such as the LR, Audi & BMW.<p>You compare Tucson with other small SUVs, the two most compared with Tucsons are RAV4 and CR-V<p>Not sure what this article/road test was smoking but the way I see it - pointless<p>I've talked to many people who have just purchase their first Hyundai - Tucson, and they are very happy with it, espeically in snowy conidtion, Rochester gets lots of snow every year - mostly lake effect, and they like the four wheel drive on the tucson, and the price...i'll let you go to a reputable site and read it on your own...btw, i am not sure if a lot of us can read german <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-02-2005, 06:50 AM
lol, if you read my post again - it is testing different 4x4 systems in different classes... and since Tucson's 4x4 system is part time, it has some serious deficiencies handling rain, firm snow, etc, etc... Even Fiat Panda was better in those situations than Tucson...<p>I am glad those ppl are happy, but this is why tests are done. And not only that, but these tests are done with experts unlike newspaper tests that are extremly subjective.<p> It is kind of interesting how you like tests when written positivly but dislike them when they are negative...<p>Being an SUV with raised suspension and all, Tucson should at least be better than Panda and even Golf, yet it is far from that.<p>Then again, Maybe Autobild is not reputable... lol

knicks125
02-02-2005, 07:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is kind of interesting how you like tests when written positivly but dislike them when they are negative...<p>Being an SUV with raised suspension and all, Tucson should at least be better than Panda and even Golf, yet it is far from that.<p>Then again, Maybe Autobild is not reputable... lol</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Once again I should mention I am not a Hyundai owner, I am just following their impressive moves...<p>of course you can find good and bad reviews on every car, that's why they are called critics. Don't read too much into their reviews, you'd be surprised how much they know about cars, probably not much more than you.<p>This is another review I can careless, first of all, I can't read German <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Second, it's not fair to compare cars, SUVs, luxury cars, luxury SUVs in one group, they are very different, this is why I think the test is close to useless. Unless complaints and/or actual recalls are initaited, then whatever those critics are talking about is a bunch of BS.

spwolf
02-02-2005, 09:26 AM
lol, someone doesnt like the truth... Its ok...<br>It still should be good car for ppl that want to look like having 4x4, and hopefully not needing one...<p>It is not a critic of interior, ride, speed or anything similar like that... It is simple test of 4x4 behaving in snow/rain and it turns out that Panda does it better than Tucson.<p>There is no need for recall, it just doesnt behave that well... It is not subjective but objective and it is something that prospective buyers of Tucson should know.

knicks125
02-05-2005, 10:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, someone doesnt like the truth... Its ok...<br>It still should be good car for ppl that want to look like having 4x4, and hopefully not needing one...<p>It is not a critic of interior, ride, speed or anything similar like that... It is simple test of 4x4 behaving in snow/rain and it turns out that Panda does it better than Tucson.<p>There is no need for recall, it just doesnt behave that well... It is not subjective but objective and it is something that prospective buyers of Tucson should know.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>First of all, I can careless if the critics trash the Tucson. Everything I have read so far gave good reviews for that car. The Tucson is a steal for its price (under 20k  USD), and it offers a number of safety features (ESP, traction, etc), with that I wouldnt even care if its AWD system does worse than Panda. How many people actually know about Panda? That review you posted might be the way they do it in Germany, but the test serves absolutely no purposes whatsoever. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You dont review cars by only one feature, but you review them by their price range (where they would fall, entry, premium, luxury), byt the type of car (sedan, couple, suv), by their class (small, midsize, large). <B>YOU REVIEW CARS AS AN OVERALL PRODUCTYOU DO NOT GIVE A CAR REVIEW ONLY BASED ON ITS FOUR WHEEL DRIVE SYSTEM. </B><p>BTW, if you had read one of the reviews I posted, it said the Tucson did fine in snow conditions and I believe it did. Here is Rochester, NY, we have some of the worst winters in the country, not only we would get the normal snow, we would also see lake effect, lake enhanced snow (a lot more snow...). A snow storm to some parts of the world might shut down the whole city/town is just like a regular snow event to us <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Back on the topic, I havent heard people with any trouble driving the Tucson in the snow yet (just talked to one of my neighbors - she said the Tucson handled great in snow, and those safety features comes very handy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><I>It still should be good car for ppl that want to look like having 4x4, and hopefully not needing one...</I>  what are you talking about, the Tucson has a four wheel system - it has one, people do not buy one to look like they have one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
02-06-2005, 12:49 AM
I don't understand why someone would purchase this vehicle over a CRV, RAV4, Escape, Tribute or even an Equinox. Those at least have nice interiors, and are somewhat safe.<p>Last month, someone in my high school was in their dad's XG. They were with three of their friends and got into a heads on collision with a Sedona (ironically). All four of them and the man driving the Sedona died on impact. This leads me to believe that the reason as to why Hyundai-Kia can sell their cars so cheap and that they can offer such a rediculus warrenty is that they don't spend any money or R&D developing safety systems for their cars that are at least standard with the rest of the vehicles in the industry. So what if the XG has some luxury cues, it isn't safe to drive.<p>I just want to say that I have not read any reviews on the Tuscon or the new Sonata, I don't know if Hyundai/Kia are improving their safety.<p>&lt;- Is very Anti-Hyundai/Kia

knicks125
02-06-2005, 02:22 AM
piokor06, first of all, i'm sorry to hear about the tragedy but i'm pretty sure this was an isolated incident. The reason I say this is because Hyundai has dropped a lot of money to invest in its cars, especially on safety. This is why you are seeing all kinds of safety features offered even on the base model. Even though Hyundai is considered to be a entry level player, its dedication to make all these safety features (ABS, Traction control, EPS, etc) a measure of their cars becoming better and better, in addition to other factors.<p>I have just started following Hyundai and their latest developement of imporvements, so I don't know a lot about their progession, but I do know the fact that their improvements on quality, safety and a number of other areas are well documented, the latest crash test, Elantra got the highest rating possible.<p>Once again I would like to point out that this is most likely an isolated incident. Although tragic, you should not draw such incident to the critism you made on Hyundai's safety features. With them replacing the whole new lineup of cars in the next year or two, I would take all of them over their respective competitors (BTW, I would take the Tucson over the CRV & the RAV4, forget the others they are nowhere in the league of these three). Why you may ask? becuase of the price, because of the warranty, because of the quality, and most importantly because of the number of safety features it offers standard over its competitors, that is why. The same can be said on other cars in the Hyundai lineup.<p>Here is a piece of advice I have for you: please read more into a car, or even an entire car company, before making such bold and yet ignorant statement - do some research please <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
02-06-2005, 02:31 AM
A) When four tenagers get into a head on collision in ANY car, it's bound to be deadly. The Sedona has an all around five star safety rating and the driver still died, so something tells me it was a pretty hopeless crash anyway.<p>B) The 2001+ hyundais actually have decent safelty ratings, and it seems the 2005+s will have almost perfect (if not perfect) scores. The Tucson is about as safe as a RAV4 (I own one, and have driven the Tucson) from the feel of it. Escape and Tribute are the same car and did horrible in frontal offset crashes, and rollover resistence.<p><br>Sonata has recieved a perfect score in the Korean NCAP crash tests. (five stars all around)<p>I like the Tucson's interior over the American SUVs. The Toyota and Hyundai are fairly similar, but I prefer the Toyota since I like having a floor console in between me and the passenger. I HATE the CRV's interior with a vengence. <p>While style is a metter of opinion it is a fact that for 2001 and up models, Hyundai has taken Safety VERY seriously. The Santa Fe, XG, and Elantra all have good marks in frontal crash tests (after a few problems with the Elantra's airbag which they fixed) and the Sonata is a best in class for rollover resistence, but since it was a 1999 car its front and side impact protection is a low point, and the reason I refuse to consider the current one. Dunno about the Tiburon or Accent, and the Tucson hasnt been tested yet.<p>From what I've seen in Videos, the 2006 Sonata should have a best pick rating IMO.

spwolf
02-06-2005, 08:08 AM
'99 Accent EURONCAP was terrible completly (1 star), 2001 Elantra got 3 starts and Getz got 4 stars so certainly it is getting better...<p>Suprisingly KIA's scores were horrible even today, new Picanto (which looks pretty nice) got lowest rating that any new car got in few years - 3 stars.<p>Kia Sedona/Carnival also got awful 2 star rating in 2003....................<p>Sorento on the other hand got nice 4 star rating...<p>These days it is expected of every new car (new model) tested at Euroncap to get 5 star ratings or at least good 4 star rating at minimum.. There were big improvements in safety of cars in past 3-4 years, and new models certanly show that.

Laguna
02-06-2005, 11:42 AM
The Picanto is hidious!!!. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
02-06-2005, 11:57 AM
Well, that's good to hear that they are now at least on par with the rest of the industry. But, in my opinion, Hyundai hasn't really done much to change their image in the US. Most people still think of them as a cheap entry level company.<p>Also, sorry for not backing up my claims and just jumping the gun.

knicks125
02-07-2005, 06:40 AM
For your information, it's not that easy to change overnight. Trust me they are moving up. Sales are increasing and breaking records every month (which other automakers can say that), quality's improving, and the overall car is improving. Give some time, in a few years it's going to be an excellent automaker in the US. <p>BTW, it just unseated PSA to overtake the 6th largest automaker in the world, now that says something <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

tigercooluk
02-07-2005, 07:14 AM
The Picanto is a great car for the money and it did get 3 star Euro-ncap but so did the Fiat Panda. The Picanto's child protection safety rating is 4 stars but the Panda's is only 2 so I don't see how it can be the worst car in 3 years.

knicks125
02-07-2005, 07:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">'99 Accent EURONCAP was terrible completly (1 star), 2001 Elantra got 3 starts and Getz got 4 stars so certainly it is getting better...<p>Suprisingly KIA's scores were horrible even today, new Picanto (which looks pretty nice) got lowest rating that any new car got in few years - 3 stars.<p>Kia Sedona/Carnival also got awful 2 star rating in 2003....................<p>Sorento on the other hand got nice 4 star rating...<p>These days it is expected of every new car (new model) tested at Euroncap to get 5 star ratings or at least good 4 star rating at minimum.. There were big improvements in safety of cars in past 3-4 years, and new models certanly show that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are taken reviews from the Euro and I am givng you the US, so obviously we are talking about two different markets...Regardless of what the Euroncap says, I am more concerned about the tests done here in the US. I know how much improvements Hyundai (at least in the US) has improved, and it's quality is top notch...don't trust me, go ask other CSS (US) members and let them tell you.<p>Truth to be told, I can find a lot other automakers having worst quality and safety assurance than Hyundai, those names might surprise you

r0b
02-07-2005, 07:51 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/test.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Here are some test results from an European car magazine...The test was between Fiat Panda, Audi A6, VW Golf, Hyundai Tucson, BMW X3 nad Land Rover Discovery. They were testing 4 x 4 drives in different tests! Tucson got the last place!

knicks125
02-07-2005, 08:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here are some test results from an European car magazine...The test was between Fiat Panda, Audi A6, VW Golf, Hyundai Tucson, BMW X3 nad Land Rover Discovery. They were testing 4 x 4 drives in different tests! Tucson got the last place!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's great and all but how pointless was that test...you got two wagon looking type cars, a midsize luxury car, two luxruy SUVs and an entry level small SUV (Tucson), what were they smoking?<p>Well, I guess the Tucson in North America is different (better) than the Tuscon in Europe. Everybody knows Tucson's AWD system is find over here, including the critics and industry experts - it won the small SUV of the year in Canada. Don't worry people, it drives fine in snow and rain.<p>BTW, let me ask, which one would YOU choose, the Panda or the Tucson? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>End of discussion. Pointless test <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
02-07-2005, 08:27 AM
The categories of test were: braking in deep snow, handling in deep snow, handling on snowy road and handling on wet road!<br>I didn't say Tucson is a bad car! I just said what i read! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-07-2005, 08:31 AM
I know you didn't but I was referring to others that said this wasn't a good car...sorry!<p>I would suggest don't read too much into reviews, you'd be surprised how much they know about cars (not much)...<p>this goes out for everyone, test drive the car yourself before you can make a statement like a few has in this thread <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>r0b, sorry about what I said, I know you like the Tucson <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
02-07-2005, 03:07 PM
But shouldn't the Hyundai Tuscon be at least better than the Panda and the Golf, cars that weren't even intended for off roading. Also, from my experience, European publication are the most unbiased in the entire world, unlike most American magazines.<p>I'm pretty sure that by the next generation of Hyundais/Kias, the company will be able to shake the stigmata that they are cheap, unreliable cars that is often attached to them.

knicks125
02-07-2005, 07:08 PM
If you still don't trust me, go test drive a Tucson at your local Hyundai dealer - go test drive on a snowy or rainy day, see how it feels to you.<p>I am going to keep saying the test was pointless, since it's based on only one feature of the car. Don't let those so called "industry experts" run your life and tell you which cars are good and which ones are not. Why don't you decide for yourself. Plus, I just don't know how reputable that website is.<p>I, myself, have drove the Tucson many times already, and know how the car rides so I suggest you'd do the same, instead of having me constantly telling you about the quality of car you don't believe, for some reasons.<br>Plus, many of the same car in different regions are built differently due to locality factors.<p>Your last comment about Hyundai being cheap and unreliable - competely ignorant. Have a look at their latest models, the Tucson, the Sonata (in April), or any other car in their lineup, and let me know then what your thoughts are, instead making comments like you did without any support. Also please take a look at Andre's post on the first page of this thread about the safety test done on those cars.<p>I'd invite you to test drive a new Hyundai car before posting the nonsense you did (I bet you have never driven a Hyundai in your life).

spwolf
02-07-2005, 07:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You are taken reviews from the Euro and I am givng you the US, so obviously we are talking about two different markets...Regardless of what the Euroncap says, I am more concerned about the tests done here in the US. I know how much improvements Hyundai (at least in the US) has improved, and it's quality is top notch...don't trust me, go ask other CSS (US) members and let them tell you.<p>Truth to be told, I can find a lot other automakers having worst quality and safety assurance than Hyundai, those names might surprise you </TD></TR></TABLE><p>huh? get a grip dude... we are talking about serious things here. Tucson should get 4 stars which is class average for SUV's in EURONCAP and it should do good, however Elantra and Accent are pretty bad. Only market that crash tests are in, is the market of saving human life.<p>This is not an handling, or dashboard material test. These are lab tests that save people's lives, to simply say they were done in Europe and hence I dont care is pretty stupid. I dont mean to be harsh, but these are things that save people's lives, you never ever should downplay an crash test. Euroncap tests are stricter than US tests, hence some manufacturers dont get highest grades (take BMW for example), but please never downplay an crash test, no matter how much you like the brand.<p>So to sum it up, Hyundai is doing better and better with new models, getting decent safety grades however older models are not that safe. KIA on the other hand is crappy - and I am mentioning that since another post mentioned Sedona crash - it was rated pretty bad in Euroncap. To be fair, BMW isnt top notch safety wise either - fact that you are safer in Renault Modus or Toyota Prius than in BMW 5 series is pretty bad for them...

piokor
02-07-2005, 08:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Your last comment about Hyundai being cheap and unreliable - competely ignorant. Have a look at their latest models, the Tucson, the Sonata (in April), or any other car in their lineup, and let me know then what your thoughts are, instead making comments like you did without any support. Also please take a look at Andre's post on the first page of this thread about the safety test done on those cars.<p>I'd invite you to test drive a new Hyundai car before posting the nonsense you did (I bet you have never driven a Hyundai in your life).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I never said that that was the reality of the cars, I just said that that's what people of think of them. <p>And you are right, I have never driven a Hyundai. I am someone who cares about what people think of me when they see me driving my car...

knicks125
02-07-2005, 10:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>huh? get a grip dude... we are talking about serious things here. Tucson should get 4 stars which is class average for SUV's in EURONCAP and it should do good, however Elantra and Accent are pretty bad. Only market that crash tests are in, is the market of saving human life.<p>This is not an handling, or dashboard material test. These are lab tests that save people's lives, to simply say they were done in Europe and hence I dont care is pretty stupid. I dont mean to be harsh, but these are things that save people's lives, you never ever should downplay an crash test. Euroncap tests are stricter than US tests, hence some manufacturers dont get highest grades (take BMW for example), but please never downplay an crash test, no matter how much you like the brand.<p>So to sum it up, Hyundai is doing better and better with new models, getting decent safety grades however older models are not that safe. KIA on the other hand is crappy - and I am mentioning that since another post mentioned Sedona crash - it was rated pretty bad in Euroncap. To be fair, BMW isnt top notch safety wise either - fact that you are safer in Renault Modus or Toyota Prius than in BMW 5 series is pretty bad for them...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well said...I agree with you totally...let's wait for the crash test results and then we'll talk <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> As I continue to mention in this thread, I don't really care about AWD, it's not going to save lives if you are bad driver...this is why I believe Hyundai has taken the right step to make side and curtain air bags standard, in addition to the front and passenger airbags, and a numerous of other safety features standard (ABS, ESP, etc). I can careless about the 4 x 4 system, cause that can not save lives even when people think it can <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> this is why i keep mentioning it's a pointless test.<p>I will never downplay safety, as you will read in my other posts in this thread. I think safety is one of the biggest factors when someone purchases a car (not the 4x4 system). I thank you for sharing with us the European results, but here in the US, safety is also very strictly measured, and Hyundai models has finished with decent or excellent ratings, with the latest, Elantra, received highest ratings in the compact car class, and Sonata has been class leading for years (please see Andre's post <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Once again, I am not offering bias views, I do not even own a Hyundai, although I've drove many of them, I am begining to like Hyundai more and more because of their overall improvements, not because I have a biased view or favortisim toward them.

knicks125
02-07-2005, 10:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I never said that that was the reality of the cars, I just said that that's what people of think of them. <p>And you are right, I have never driven a Hyundai. I am someone who cares about what people think of me when they see me driving my car...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly as I thought. In that case, why did you even start bashing about Hyundai if you never wanted to be associated with them? You saw one accident and assumed the worst.<p>A piece of advice, don't worry about what other people think of you, as long as you are happy about what you have, that's the most important thing...and that applies on everything, not just cars. Of course you don't need to listen to me, I will let you find out yourself in life when you are older.<p>EDIT: Here is my example, people ask me why I didn't buy a 50K car, such as a BMW 5 series, Audi A6, etc, instead I got two Japanese car, Acura TL and Toyota Camry Solara, why? First, I don't care about what people think about me and I don't care about what they think about the car I drive. And more, a lot of the money you spend on German cars (if I had bought a 50k car, it would have been a german car) are on their badge, both of my cars are just as luxury, just as comfortable, just as reliable as German cars, probably better, I think. <p>I know I am getting off the topic here, but just to sum up, do i care about what people think of the car I drive? hell no<p>Would I buy a Hyundai? hell yeah!!!<p>When I have my first Hyundai (which i am currently seriously looking to buy to new Sonata), should be pretty soon...do i care about what other people think of me b/c I have a Hyundai? hell no<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 1:10 AM 2/8/2005</i>

knicks125
02-08-2005, 06:39 AM
FYI - Here is a website for you guys to check out about how the US does its crash test and rating scales. Don't believe me, see the numbers yourself and comare to other cars, you'd be surprised.<p><A HREF="http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/</A> - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) <p>NHTSA frequently conducts crash tests on all types of vehichles, by class<p>Get educated <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>BTW, as spwolf pointed out, crash tests are done to warn consumers about unsafe cars, 4x4 system doesn't mean a lick when comes to safety, cars don't have 4x4 are just as safe. I think we should just end all discussion on that autobid test, or whatever it's called, and conclude that 4x4 test was useless and pointless. End of story <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:49 AM 2/8/2005</i>

spwolf
02-08-2005, 08:42 AM
well to be fair, test wasnt useless... it compared performance between different 4x4 systems... Most people dont care, but for people that care enough it might be important. Then again, they already know the value of true 4x4 system anyway.<p>It doesnt mean that Tucson has bad 4x4, it just means that it was (slightly?) worst of the ones tested. It is like 0-60 being 10 sec for one car and 9 sec for another, some people care, some people wont... same with mpg... some care about one car getting 30mpg and other 28.5 mpg, some dont... But you weight all those things when purchasing the care so it is always good to know.

Santeno
02-08-2005, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am someone who cares about what people think of me when they see me driving my car...</TD></TR></TABLE><br><IMG SRC="http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/prank/spit.gif" BORDER="0"> Are you really serious? That is the most shallow thing I've ever heard. Self worth is something you either have or you don't. The way strangers view what car you drive will do nothing for that. If Hyundai makes the car you like, It's moronic not to buy what you want, just because you are afraid of what strangers might think. What's next, getting dressed up to go clothes shopping? Ordering the biggest plate on the menu just in case someone sees you eating? Come on...<p>Sorry but I had to get that out.

knicks125
02-08-2005, 12:10 PM
Well said Santeno, of course we should note he's only 16...he will learn sooner or later that it's not what others think of you, it's what you think of yourself <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

piokor
02-09-2005, 10:14 PM
What's wrong with caring about what other people think of you? If you were to go onto a job interview, the boss would think higher of you if you were in a VW or a Honda rather than if you were in a Hyundai. This is just one of the things that Hyundai needs to work on, improving its overall image, shaking that cheap car image off of itself.<p>I wasn't refering to showing off to people on the street, people who I have never met and will never meet again. I was talking about where it would actually make a difference.<p>Also, I just entered college in the fall, and some people call that mature enough, so please don't call me immature.

knicks125
02-10-2005, 06:27 AM
a few things I would like to point out to you:<p>like i said...i think we both got off on the wrong foot, and we both said something we didn't mean to...but that didn't give you the right to take advantage about what I said.<p>you're right hyundai needs to shake off its image, but it's not easily said and done...they are doing it, and they are doing a great job at it, but it just can't be done in one day.<p>hyundai is actually doing really well right now, a lot better than what you actually think. Hyundai is selling record amount of cars, months after months (for about 3 or 4 years now) while most other companies are in the red and going further down. Did you know that Hyundai just became the six largest automaker in the world, i'd bet you didn't. Their cars are getting more an more better, the quality I think are top-notch, as are all Asian cars these days, with the price point as the kicker for Hyundai, if I was in the market for a new car, I would defn. take this over a Ford, a GM, or a Chrysler, as examples.<p>You comments about not associating with Hyundai, even if it wasn't with Hyundai, say it was somebody else, that'd still make it wrong, and like what Santeno classified, "shallow", regardless of wether it's Hyundai or somebody else<p>Lastly, the only reason I said you were immature b/c your profile said you were only 16, how was I suppose to know you were in college. Even then, that doesn't always make you a mature person, as you know, you are still just a freshman.

Santeno
02-10-2005, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's wrong with caring about what other people think of you? If you were to go onto a job interview, the boss would think higher of you if you were in a VW or a Honda rather than if you were in a Hyundai.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually, having been the "Boss" in many instances and having had the opportunity to have hired employees in the past, I must say that you are wrong. Unless your vehicle is an integral part of the job you will be performing (ie, your vehicle reflects on the company), no employer in his right mind would give a rodent's rear end about what vehicle you drive. your experience, personality, sense of self assuredness, education and actual ability to do the work is what matters most. <p>anyhoot, back on topic.

piokor
02-10-2005, 06:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Actually, having been the "Boss" in many instances and having had the opportunity to have hired employees in the past, I must say that you are wrong. Unless your vehicle is an integral part of the job you will be performing (ie, your vehicle reflects on the company), no employer in his right mind would give a rodent's rear end about what vehicle you drive. your experience, personality, sense of self assuredness, education and actual ability to do the work is what matters most.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not saying that it's the most important thing, but it is something that they might consider. I not talking about retail or food, I'm talking about actual jobs that pay a bit more, like an office or law firm. What were you the boss of?<p>Anyway, I think I'll just go and test drive the Tuscon, see what the fuss is about. Is the Sonata out yet? I might give that a spin also...

knicks125
02-10-2005, 07:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm not saying that it's the most important thing, but it is something that they might consider. I not talking about retail or food, I'm talking about actual jobs that pay a bit more, like an office or law firm. What were you the boss of?<p>Anyway, I think I'll just go and test drive the Tuscon, see what the fuss is about. Is the Sonata out yet? I might give that a spin also...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This will make you happy...no one cares...even if you do work in an office or a law firm, the upper mangement, president, CEO, etc, they don't give a rats ass what kind of car you drive. As long as you can make moeny for them, that's all they care. I work in finance, there are people who drive really nice cars and others who drive really bad cars, no one cares...when you are looking for a job, doesn't matter if you go in with a F430 Spyder or a Chevy Cavlier, I'd gurantee you if you are qualified and they like you, you can still get a job with a Chevy. Plus, your boss has better things to do than come and check on the car you drive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, Sonata is going to be out in April <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-10-2005, 07:31 PM
if you drove a pink ford taurus that had all kindsa sexual obsenities painted on it, and your boss saw - he/she probably wouldnt be incredibly happy<p>thats just an extreme case tho :)

megadethmartyr
02-10-2005, 08:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's wrong with caring about what other people think of you? If you were to go onto a job interview, the boss would think higher of you if you were in a VW or a Honda rather than if you were in a Hyundai. This is just one of the things that Hyundai needs to work on, improving its overall image, shaking that cheap car image off of itself.<p>I wasn't refering to showing off to people on the street, people who I have never met and will never meet again. I was talking about where it would actually make a difference.<p>Also, I just entered college in the fall, and some people call that mature enough, so please don't call me immature.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I should mention that it's the stupidist thing I've read in a while. Based on that logic, if I pull up in a VW and know one little thing about cars, I think this guy's trying to impress me, over spent on a quality plauged brand, just so he can look cool. With Hyundai's CURRENT EXCEPTIONAL REPUTATION, it shows you smart with your money and don't make bad choices based on perceived social standing. I bet that sort of mind set is what every genious that bought a Phaeton was thinking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> Slap yourself for saying that.

eps
02-10-2005, 08:56 PM
Son you maybe a freshman at college bur your lack of maturity clearly shows on your post. People don't get hired or promoted based on what kind of car they drive.<p>Vice president of our marketing department drives a hyundai elantra Gt. I know several people in our It dept who drives Santa fe. I also know a guy who drives a lexus but he is always *****ing and whining about how broke he is every month and can't pay his bills on time.<p>Grow up ! Emotionally that is and don't go thru life worrying so much about what people are thinking of you. <p>Sounds like you are really lacking in self confidence and insecure with yourself. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by eps at 8:52 PM 2/10/2005</i>

piokor
02-10-2005, 09:22 PM
Oh, wow, I don't know what to say...You are all reacting as if I said that what kind of car you drive is the deciding factor when you are applying for a job. I just said that it was a little thing that might not even make any difference. Also, this probably all stems from the fact that I pretty much against Hyundais, the same way some people don't like the products that are released from GM. I just don't think that they are designed very well, and something I wouldn't like to drive. I take this theme and think that Hyundais are the worst cars out there, which I shouldn't really do with no reason to back that up. I didn't really mean to start anything like this, sorry about getting the whole thread off topic (I'm a little surprised that the mods allowed this get so bad...).<p>So...back on topic, and sorry for anyone I offended. In the end I just made myself look worse <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> .

Santeno
02-11-2005, 08:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not saying that it's the most important thing, but it is something that they might consider. I not talking about retail or food, I'm talking about actual jobs that pay a bit more, like an office or law firm. What were you the boss of?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Retail, Food and Proffesional (now - though I'm far from the main guy here, I did get to interview my secretary, and she rides the subway. Best secretary I've ever had).

knicks125
02-11-2005, 08:44 AM
Good point there...I almost forgot there are millions of people that take public transportation to work everyday. I, myself, park and ride almost everyday, save me a lot of gas, miles and money <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-11-2005, 10:47 AM
I can honestly say that driving an Toyota would be an plus in my organization...<p>hehe.

knicks125
02-11-2005, 10:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can honestly say that driving an Toyota would be an plus in my organization...<p>hehe.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Do you work for them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-12-2005, 08:42 AM
Article - <B>There's No Business Like Snow Business - Hyundai Tucson Is Small SUV That Likes A Challenge</B><p>Complete Article on Ed Murphy's blizzard condition driving experience: <A HREF="http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=DC083A07-5132-43F9-B0B3-22D93BEB079D" TARGET="_blank">http://www.theday.com/eng/web/...B079D</A><p><B>The AWD System</B>:<p>The excellent grip was provided by a high-tech Borg Warner Electronic InterActive Torque Management four-wheel-drive system that sends nearly all the power to the front wheels during normal driving. If the system detects any slippage, it automatically diverts up to 50 percent of the torque to the rear wheels. For those daffy enough to take on a five-foot snowdrift, a switch on the dash allows you to lock the driveline in that 50/50 torque split.<p><B>EPS, Antilock Brakes, Side & Curtain Airbags - all standard</B><p>An Electronic Stability Program with traction control and large 16-inch tires see that you gain a firm grip on takeoff, and four-wheel disc brakes with antilock will see that you come to a safe, secure stop. The only scary part on a snowy day is watching through the rear window, hoping that the guy behind you also has antilock. If the worst happens, you have the protection of dual front, side and curtain airbags, all as standard equipment.<p>"....It'll have you looking forward to the next blizzard"

megadethmartyr
02-12-2005, 07:47 PM
Been saying that for a while now. Thanks for backing me up there knicks.

knicks125
02-16-2005, 03:14 PM
Another review for the Tucson <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://macleans.auto123.com/en/info/news/previews,view,Hyundai.spy?artid=36036" TARGET="_blank">http://macleans.auto123.com/en...36036</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 5:22 PM 2/16/2005</i>

knicks125
02-21-2005, 09:08 AM
Something I almost never see from MSN Autos expert review<p>9 out of 10 for the Tucson <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <br><A HREF="http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/job.aspx?modelid=11511&src=Home&pos=Edit3" TARGET="_blank">http://autos.msn.com/research/...Edit3</A>

knicks125
03-05-2005, 08:46 AM
<A HREF="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/wheels/214248_road04.html?source=rss" TARGET="_blank">http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/...e=rss</A>

Krypton
03-05-2005, 08:51 AM
They do give out 9's and 10's but what makes this surprising is that lady is usually bias torwards american made cars, and this is one of the few 9's she ever gave to foriegn made car

spwolf
03-05-2005, 11:36 AM
Knicks, I thought you pointed out in another thread how you dont trust reviews (it was about Sonata)? Or is it bad reviews that you dont trust? :-)<p>simply had to say it, sorry :-)

knicks125
03-05-2005, 01:50 PM
you are correct that I don't trust reviews, and i'm glad some one is actually reading my post <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> however, i posted these reviews for your information (FYI) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I still careless about these reviews, or any reviews for that matter <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Remember: trust yourself and no one else </B><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-10-2005, 06:42 AM
Review from Car & Driver<p><A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=9141&page_number=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/ar...ber=1</A>

spwolf
03-10-2005, 10:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Review from Car & Driver<p><A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=9141&page_number=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/ar...ber=1</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>0-60 mph: 9.6 with V6? And 19 MPG? yay!<br>

knicks125
03-10-2005, 10:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>0-60 mph: 9.6 with V6? And 19 MPG? yay!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm surprised people, other than me, actually read one of these articles <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>yes i agree, this is about one of the few downsides of the tuscon, although the price offsets those disadvantages, and the styling, especially the interior is one of the best looking/designed i have seen in a while for a small suv. overall this car has lots of values some compeitors don't, espeically the number of its safety features listed as standard equipment. I would say the honda, toyota and hyundai maintains the top three in the small suv segment, this is a sweet looking car - i wish i had any parking spot in my garage so i can get this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>as for the mileage, 19 is observed by C & D, probably mostly city driving, or alike stop and go (for the test) EPA listed as 20/26

megadethmartyr
03-11-2005, 12:08 PM
that 0-60 has to be way off. I have run with my friends Imapala ( I was in my Tucson) (02) to 75 and we were nose to nose.

knicks125
03-12-2005, 10:41 AM
i found that spwolf likes to point out ONLY the bad things about Hyundai. If they did anything good, you would see him anywhere <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>it's just a review <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-12-2005, 10:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that 0-60 has to be way off. I have run with my friends Imapala ( I was in my Tucson) (02) to 75 and we were nose to nose. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i dunno if the impala itself is a model of lightening-fast acceleration <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-12-2005, 11:49 AM
Impala vs Tucson? Wow. I'd love a race like that especially in the corners. Wait one minute here we're talking the Tucson right? Shouldn't we compare impala to the tiburon? I mean if the Tucson can stay with Impala then I can't wait to tear up one on I-95 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 02:09 PM
Wasn't comparing, just commenting. I do know if it weren't for radio's, I'd outrun any cop driving an Impala with my Tib. On the same note, won't mess with those crown vics. I hate anytime I refer to an Impala that I am talking about those current things. What a disgrace to the name. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> Another GM name is dead.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Mega that would be fun though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> to have a Tucson totally rigged out to run up against an old Detriot name plate like Impala. Can't disagree with what you're saying about GM. Same thing goes for Ford as well. When is the last time the two built anything that wasn't being consistently re-called or re-repaired? Losing market share every year and not even able to keep up or get out ahead of Asian brand. <p>It's all about quality over quantity and maintaining consistency. For my money Hyundai has not only been there, they are consistently doing that.

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 05:48 PM
I would love to see Detroit do a legendary nameplate justice. Ford started with the new Mustang, GM has killed everything, and Dodge is jumping on board with that abomination they are calling Charger. I love my Tucson and my Tib, but no manufacturer is making anything that will stand the test of time as a historic type model. It just won't happen again. Here's to hoping everyone decides a muscle car era will come around again.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 06:20 PM
Yeah it's a sad commentary but I think for the future technological improvements we may see some variants. Wouldn't it be sweet to see that on a tricked out Sonata? Wishful thinking but I can't help it.

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 07:41 PM
My current goal is to get myself a 4.5L Hyundai V8 shipped here and throw a BorgWarner 4wd system on my Tibby. I have been informed it will fit my engine bay, barely. Granted, I'll have to beef the suspension, but it'll be worth it. Now, just to win the lotery. I want to pull up to some freak in a Civic with a stupid ass exhaust pipe and not only beat him like I do now, I want to be 2 blocks away before he starts. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> I hate rice burners.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 07:57 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Amen mega that's what I'd like to do too! lol. I'm really hoping that some day Hyundai will have a rear driver. jeez, I can't help but thinking that we will soon see a bad *ss tuned from Hyundai soon.

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 08:04 PM
Have you ever seen the HCD-1? There are plenty rumors of Hyundai already playing around with one of those with the 4.5L in it. Hehe. I've seen one the show car up close (it's pretty cool). If you haven't seen it, Google it for images. I've never actually seen it with a V8, matter of fact, I've never even sat in it, but Hyundai has alot of "toys" no one has ever seen. That's about all I will (can) say about that. Don't Hyundai has got a performance bug up it's butt as of late.

deltaz
03-12-2005, 08:24 PM
Checked out the HCD-1. Sweeeet! I also saw the variants that could be dervied. Could any one of these be the 06-07 Tiburon? or will we see a sweetend version based on a rear driver with that thumpin' 3.8 V6? I'd like to see the 2.4 in the Hyundai Tucson. Is it a matter of cost why Hyundai went with the 2.0? I mean I'd like to see some more punch from the 4 cyl. Also I'm jonesin' to see a 5 spd Auto dropped in Tucson.<p>How about an LX with 5 spd auto, 191 hp v6? (closer to jeep liberty) auto locking doors, illuminated vanity visors for both driver/pass. Illuminated power mirror controls, more color choices, pwr seat option (at least for driver) and a user friendly storage cargo cover? and oh yeah before I forget I want to see a REAL Hyundai logo badge in the center steering not some plastic stamped tonka toy like imprint. Check out the Sportage and they got a real logo. <p>I don't think it's asking too much. Maybe '06 will see some of these? These are my only wish list.

megadethmartyr
03-12-2005, 09:31 PM
Just remember, no Kia will ever be up to par with it's Hyundai daddy. That way there is no conflict (like Ford/ Mercury and the whole GM line). I don't want to say Hyundai would be holding them back, but you will definately see things on a different level (ex: current Optima window switches are from a 2000 Elantra, go ahead, look, I'm right) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Okay cheap plug quick, my band rules. Click on the link you know you want to. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
03-13-2005, 05:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i found that spwolf likes to point out ONLY the bad things about Hyundai. If they did anything good, you would see him anywhere <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>it's just a review <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>really? I just try to be realistic, 9.6sec 0-60 is pretty bad for an V6 (and it is similar times from most mags), and since it is V6, it also spends too much gas. It all has to do with weight and 4 speed auto...<p>You would probably be much better of with 4cl version anyway in this car. It might not be fast, but at least wont spend as much gas as an Hemi, so it is probably much better fit than that V6 engine.

Superfresa
03-13-2005, 08:19 AM
Maybe a car like this wasn't meant for acceleration, but maybe good response with full weight, and decent capacities both on and offroad. It isn't meant to break records, just go appropriately with your whole family in it.

AM2
03-13-2005, 08:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>really? I just try to be realistic, 9.6sec 0-60 is pretty bad for an V6 (and it is similar times from most mags), and since it is V6, it also spends too much gas. It all has to do with weight and 4 speed auto... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>power to weight... gear ratios... I guess it wasn't meant to go fast anyway.

deltaz
03-13-2005, 08:41 AM
spwolf I agree with you on one aspect they Tucson should get better mpg with a 5 spd auto also with the better 2.4 4 cyl it should pull much better than the current adequately powered 2.0. I think Hyundai needs re-energize the 2.5 V6 add vvt technology. Will improvements be coming in the next upcoming model year ? I'm hoping my wish list for better powertrain combo and extras will be.

megadethmartyr
03-13-2005, 08:42 AM
it isn't a speed beast. It will hold it's own with anything in it's class, which is all it has to do.

deltaz
03-13-2005, 09:01 AM
I'm expecting Hyundai Tucson to the lead the field some day in this segment and my feeling is that they out to offer better powertrain combo to get there. That's how highly I think of the Tucson.<p>And I'm mot making this statement lightly. I test drove the CRV, Escape and Rav. All three honorable but under powered and underwhelming vehicles. For my $$ CRV is not only noisy but also wretchedly over priced. After driving Escape I wanted to do just that as soon as I got back to the dealership and the Rav was good but it was short on so many things - think roominess! <p>Compared to the Tucson which offered everything in terms of roominess, quiet interior, creature comfort features like heated leather and sunroof with one-touch operation, it also over classed all of the above as far as saftey features. So my thinking is why not add improved power train? and few other niceties to the picture. I'm sure it's got to be on Hyundai's radar. If not this next model year certainly by mid '06 they have to incorporate additional sweetners to this really well made ute.

knicks125
03-14-2005, 06:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>really? I just try to be realistic, 9.6sec 0-60 is pretty bad for an V6 (and it is similar times from most mags), and since it is V6, it also spends too much gas. It all has to do with weight and 4 speed auto...<p>You would probably be much better of with 4cl version anyway in this car. It might not be fast, but at least wont spend as much gas as an Hemi, so it is probably much better fit than that V6 engine.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I applaud you for being realistic, but on most cars a 4 cyl is always better than a 6 in the gas dept, that's a given fact.<p>the only reason I called you out is b/c i have not seen you give a lot of credit to the vastly improvements made by hyundai over the past few years. Everything you posted are critisim and only from one side. Yes the car might be slow, but have you looked at all of the other factors for the car? Even on the reviews, there are at least a dozen praises you could have picked out, instead of you JUST pointed out the bad things about this car. Like I said, no cars are perfect, and you aren't either.

spwolf
03-14-2005, 06:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it isn't a speed beast. It will hold it's own with anything in it's class, which is all it has to do.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats the whole problem, it is slower than most 4cl in its class, and spends much more fuel than them too...<p>Yes, it is all because of extra weight and 4 speed AT, but thats why the pricing is better as well, so I guess you have to balance between the two :-)

spwolf
03-14-2005, 07:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I applaud you for being realistic, but on most cars a 4 cyl is always better than a 6 in the gas dept, that's a given fact.<p>the only reason I called you out is b/c i have not seen you give a lot of credit to the vastly improvements made by hyundai over the past few years. Everything you posted are critisim and only from one side. Yes the car might be slow, but have you looked at all of the other factors for the car? Even on the reviews, there are at least a dozen praises you could have picked out, instead of you JUST pointed out the bad things about this car. Like I said, no cars are perfect, and you aren't either.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you are being a touch too sensitive - I certainly was not rude, nor did I point out unimportant things.<p>When I pointed out that 4wd they used in Tucson was rated lowest in comparison, due to being part time, you called it ridicilous. When I pointed lower safety test scores in Europe, you lived in USA and when I point slow pace and larger gas bills you dont like it either.<p>I never said Tucson is an bad car, I think it is rather good car in fact. I just dont think it is top of the class car, like 300 of your estatic posts claim. Since these are public forums and definetly not hyundai forums, I just preffer that other part of the story is heard as well.<p>If Toyota fans dont get insulted for people pointing bad things about Toyota's, then you certainly should not get insulted with me pointing facts, in nice and civil manner.<p>I dont know why did Hyundai crowd (or is it only you?) get so defensive about everything, Hyundai's are fine cars, you should not get worked up on every post that suggest it is not perfect.

knicks125
03-14-2005, 08:10 AM
I never said you were rude, nor did I discredit your points of important items, I just thought your one line comment of sacrasms were uncall for, such as "0-60 mph: 9.6 with V6? And 19 MPG? yay!", or "eh, 25k Sonata... There you go :-)" - i'm sure you can more efforts than above.<p>I am glad you finally think Tucson is a nice car. Of all these time, I never got the sense you even had interest in Tuscon, or Hyundai for that matter; the only times you were interested are when they had something bad and you then quickly picked up on it. I will give you a lot of credit for your change<p>I don't just like hyundai, i like toyota, i like nissan, etc, you may or may not have realized, i don't just roam around hyundais' threads all day, i placed my comments in other threads as well, I am a fan of just about every car brands<p>I never ever got insulted by you or by other members of this forum. This is, after all, just a forum, a hobby people, from all over the world come, share and discuss, you or anybody else can say anything you wanted toward me, for all i care. At the end of the day, I just laugh it off, b/c it's still just a forum. (PS, toyota fans did get insulted in the IS thread, espeically those posts that were deleted by Ascariss)<p>leave all of the hyundai crowds alone, they are merely setting people straight, of all of the stupid, shallow and ignorant comments pointed out in threads such as this one, Sonata's, TG's, take a look yourself if you don't believe me. It is finally nice to see there is a bunch of people give support to Hyundai, and no on being defensive, don't assuming things about me or the rest of the people when you have no idea about us.

spwolf
03-14-2005, 03:11 PM
I have thought it is an fine car from the start, I just didnt think it was top of the tops... Saying it has bad mpg or slow 0-60 doesnt mean it is an bad car or bad value... But here were go again - i have to defend myself since i wrote mpg and 0-60 times.<p>Neither of those two posts were actually sarcastic - 25k Sonata is reffering to your post from 2-3 months ago where you said it "would" be 22k-23k...<p>I have posted several times how I think Hyundai's are good value and should stay that way... 25k is a bit much for an Sonata in my opinion.<p>On the other hand, this is probably 4th post explaining 0-60 and mpg line you quoted... Is all this explanation needed for simple fact of 0-60 times and mpg?<p>You are a bit defensive, thats for sure - I am sure you will become a bit harder to upset after a while.

megadethmartyr
03-14-2005, 03:51 PM
FIGHT FIGHT!

knicks125
03-14-2005, 06:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have thought it is an fine car from the start, I just didnt think it was top of the tops... Saying it has bad mpg or slow 0-60 doesnt mean it is an bad car or bad value... But here were go again - i have to defend myself since i wrote mpg and 0-60 times.<p>Neither of those two posts were actually sarcastic - 25k Sonata is reffering to your post from 2-3 months ago where you said it "would" be 22k-23k...<p>I have posted several times how I think Hyundai's are good value and should stay that way... 25k is a bit much for an Sonata in my opinion.<p>On the other hand, this is probably 4th post explaining 0-60 and mpg line you quoted... Is all this explanation needed for simple fact of 0-60 times and mpg?<p>You are a bit defensive, thats for sure - I am sure you will become a bit harder to upset after a while.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, a loaded Sonata is 24,300, not 25k, since when you cared about what I said? Anyways, I was pretty close. Regardless of the price increase, it is lower than Sonata's competitor's, you can't find another car like it with that much features (in entry level car segment).<p>you are a bit obssessed with 0-60. I, on the other hand, can careless; I look for how useful the car is. If you still want to go into the 0-60 discussion, let me offer you superfresa's post, and I quote: "Maybe a car like this wasn't meant for acceleration, but maybe good response with full weight, and decent capacities both on and offroad. It isn't meant to break records, just go appropriately with your whole family in it."<p>You still think I am defensive?...ugh...well if I can't convince you otherwise, maybe you can just keep thinking that, I can careless what you or other people think or say, go ahead, say whatever you want. Like I said earlier, this is a forum I come to have a little fun, during work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> My posts are setting people straight with their shallow, stupid and ignorant comments, hardly anywhere from what you might be thinking, this is not the only place I do it

deltaz
03-14-2005, 08:35 PM
No one knows just how well the new Sonata will do but one thing for sure is that the current model is a success. So if they are following in the same vein as Honda and Toyota we should see this one succeed as well. And why not?<p>Now I'm thinking about Tucson. Thinking about the add-ons that Hyundai needs to make an LX and "LX". I said before that they better up the ante on the packaging. I think from the list of available options it is definitely wanting. I'm not squabbling over nit-picky clown stuff I'm talking show me an LX Hyundai, a la Jeep Liberty and upgraded CRV. Have you seen some of those things loaded?<p>Like I said before I'd much rather see the 2.4 4cyl rather than the just adequate 2.0 4cyl in the Tucson. Plus all the other amenities that I mentioned.

knicks125
03-15-2005, 09:31 AM
Agreed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Here is an article from American International Automobile Dealers Association: <A HREF="http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=35170" TARGET="_blank">http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=35170</A> - enjoy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Further, this should be of interest, regarding discounts and sticker price:<p>SANTA MONICA, Calif., March 14 -- Not all new car models first introduced in the 2005 model year are faring as well in others in today's competitive marketplace, according to the Edmunds Price Index released today by Edmunds.com, the premier online resource for automotive information.<p>Of the new introductions, Land Rover LR3, Chrysler 300 and <B>Hyundai Tucson</B> sold at the smallest discounts -- 0.1%, 2.8% and <B>3.6%</B> below sticker price, respectively. Pontiac G6, Buick LaCrosse and Chevrolet Cobalt had the highest average discounts: 19.9%, 14.7% and 10.4%, respectively. Overall, new models averaged a 9.0% discount from MSRP in February 2005, compared with the industry average discount of 15.0%.<p><I>From Edmunds Insideline</I><p>It is too bad that the g6, lacrosse and cobat offer that much to get buyers, they are pretty good cars, I guess

jberrer
03-15-2005, 10:32 AM
that 2.5 l v-6 was a mitsu. motor. Hyundai is better off staying with their own design. the mitsu motors is what got them into trouble in the first place.

knicks125
03-15-2005, 10:40 AM
what is? the v6 engine in the tucson? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-15-2005, 11:39 AM
The Engine that died in the 2000 SOnata. It hasn't been used for a while

spwolf
03-15-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>deltaz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Like I said before I'd much rather see the 2.4 4cyl rather than the just adequate 2.0 4cyl in the Tucson. Plus all the other amenities that I mentioned. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, they could put that new 2.4l in it eventually but then V6 would make little sense... So they would have to upgrade V6 as well, which in turn makes the whole car more expensive...

knicks125
03-15-2005, 01:13 PM
can't they just use the new lamda engine in the Tucson, 237 hp should be plenty for a Tucson <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>or will that fit <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

jberrer
03-15-2005, 01:19 PM
the tucson v-6 is the "delta" engine. It is an in house design by hyundai. It was designed to withstand up to 450HP! 4bolt main etc.

jberrer
03-15-2005, 01:21 PM
the lamda engine would be great, however the new 2.4l theta engine would be a great base engine. The 2.0l beta is a little underpowered.

knicks125
03-15-2005, 01:23 PM
thanks for all of the great info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>let's see a tuned tucson with 450 horses...haha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> lol

jberrer
03-15-2005, 01:30 PM
For all its worth, we have a tiburon with the 2.7 in our shop tha is equipped with an intercooled supercharger, headers, cool intake and a "piggyback" computer. just to name some of the mods. It's a beast! Next he'll adjust the cam timing which should bring it's ET in the 12s. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-15-2005, 01:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jberrer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a beast!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-15-2005, 04:29 PM
Jberre now you're talking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> Say while we're talking about the 2.7 V6 do you know whether hyundai may plan to go vvt with that? or is too behind the curve for this technology to be incorporated? I'd love to see this engine with at least 190-200 bhp rating.<p>

megadethmartyr
03-15-2005, 07:48 PM
I don't even know how long that engine plans on sticking around. COnsidering how flexable the new 3.3L and 3.8L are, there really won't be a need for the 2.7L.

knicks125
03-16-2005, 06:43 AM
3.3 in a Tucson, I like the sound of that already <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-16-2005, 12:50 PM
For your enjoyement (FYE <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p><A HREF="http://www.rocklintoday.com/news/templates/automotive_news.asp?articleid=1831&zoneid=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rocklintoday.com/ne...eid=1</A><p><A HREF="http://rockland.villagesoup.com/Business/Story.cfm?StoryID=32105" TARGET="_blank">http://rockland.villagesoup.co...32105</A>

deltaz
03-16-2005, 05:15 PM
Very good find! Fair and balanced reviews.<br>

jberrer
03-17-2005, 08:01 AM
I've not heard anything about the cvvt in the 2.7, even though all the new hyundai engines are going to it. The 2.0l beta engine for instance was originally designed for the cvvt back in '97 but never got it until last year <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> I'll research it some more though.

deltaz
03-17-2005, 04:17 PM
jberrer - That would be great if you could find out any thing else about that.<br>Thanks. Looking forward to your future posts!

megadethmartyr
03-17-2005, 09:08 PM
The 2.7L is being phased out. I wouldn't count on anything being done with that engine. I won't say they absolutely won't add CVVT, but I wouldn't bet on it. No reason especially with the new 3,8L being introduced shortly, as well as all the different tunings of the 3.3L, there's no need. Move forward, not stand still.

jberrer
03-18-2005, 08:12 AM
I think the 2.7 will remain in the tucson. The only ongine being phased out right now is the old mitsubishi 2.4l. This engine was dropped on the santa fe and is in its last year in the "old" sonata. Thats a good thing being that this engine had a lot of service problems.

Dodger
03-18-2005, 09:01 AM
Why?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> Is there a problem with it??

knicks125
03-18-2005, 10:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Grande Espace</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Should this thread be locked????</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Do I sense another hater in the house? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-18-2005, 01:35 PM
What I am getting at is the next gen Tib will more than likely have a 3.3L, and there's already been talk of the 3.3L in the Tucson, as soon as the Santa Fe debuts. Why live in the past? Move foward with progress.

toontoy
03-18-2005, 08:56 PM
3.3 in the Tucson would be just awesome, this would make an awesome vehicle just that much better.

megadethmartyr
03-19-2005, 11:42 AM
I would expect a few years to pass before it happens though.

knicks125
03-19-2005, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would expect a few years to pass before it happens though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeah espeically since the tucson had just came out last year

knicks125
03-21-2005, 06:08 AM
MotorTrend First Drive:<p><A HREF="http://motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0501_first_hyundai/" TARGET="_blank">http://motortrend.com/roadtest...ndai/</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>spwolf, start nit-pick... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
03-22-2005, 01:17 AM
knicks nice find! I thought the article started off very fair and balanced except toward the end when the writer took the typical 'shot' as in: " No, Hyundai hasn't yet reached Toyota's lofty quality pinnacle, but it's getting close." What in the far reaches of hades did this wise crack toward the end of the article mean?<p>I've read this stereo-typical bashing in some automotive magazines and on several automotive sites from time to time that it really has convinced me that there is a definite 'bias' toward Hyundai products. Good thing that we don't rely on mere auto-journalist to buy our cars since they're only offering their own subjective/bias? opinions. I prefer to read the reviews from Consumer's reports and also read the results of their annual ownership surveys from real owners who buy these cars. <p>If it was left up to these so-called auto-journalist none of the cars Hyundai produces would be "worthy" enough for them and no one would ever buy them given their so very "objective" views of the cars. But the American consumer is much smarter and goes by word-of-mouth, and CR ownership survey rating. This carries much more weight in the long run.<p><br><i>Modified by deltaz at 12:23 AM 3/22/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by deltaz at 12:24 AM 3/22/2005</i>

knicks125
03-22-2005, 10:28 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>very thoughtful post...personally I think Hyundai is getting very close to the point to compete comfortably with competitors such as Toyota or Honda. Clearly, I am seeing more and more Hyundais on the road, everyday...this not just a fluke, hyundai is building quality cars and the responses from the consumers are evident <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

jberrer
03-22-2005, 03:18 PM
I agree, I get really sick <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> of countless articles about these great $80,000 cars that I'll never own. Then there are these little reports about the cars that people actually buy. By comparison these "normal" cars are not as exciting as the exotics that they have become used to. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-22-2005, 06:04 PM
People aren't as stupid as they used to be. They realize they don't have to spend alot to be happy and comfortable with their purchase. Value (price, features, reliablity, warranty, etc) above all is what matters in today's market. If you don't have it, or at least perceived value, you won't sell anything. Either that or you have huge rebates and incentives that kill your brand image.

knicks125
03-23-2005, 07:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jberrer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree, I get really sick <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> of countless articles about these great $80,000 cars that I'll never own. Then there are these little reports about the cars that people actually buy. By comparison these "normal" cars are not as exciting as the exotics that they have become used to. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>A lot of time people buy cars just b/c of the brand, and they don't care about the price until they can't pay the loan anymore. Evidence #1: many of my old college buddies went for BMWs, MBs, Audis, Porsches soon after they graduated (or during college), only to find out they are putting in all of their income every month into their car payments <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> they should have taken a finance class or two and learn about the basics and their financial situations, etc...it's sad, truly, and i am sure they are not the only ones, there are tons out there...<p>i'm not againsting buying expensive cars, but too many people buy them for the wrong reasons; you buy a car for yourself, and not to parade around to others, including strangers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> ...maybe that's just me

jberrer
03-23-2005, 07:54 AM
I agree, too many people buy cars because of image and get in over their heads. Many times i have called back my old customers that bought expensive sports cars to find out that it's been repo'd and now they can't buy anything. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-24-2005, 09:49 PM
Hey, but at least they looked good (or thought they did) for a few weeks before the banks came a-calling

knicks125
03-26-2005, 11:10 AM
Hyundai Tucson won the Japanese Good Design Award <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/56485.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/56485.html</A>

deltaz
04-02-2005, 11:49 AM
I don't know if anyone has seen or read this but I checked out CNN site and found this article about recall of the Tucson for issues with their ESP program. I'm not expecting this to happen so soon. Maybe it doesn't affect all Tucson vehicles Hyundai has sold but still it makes you 2nd guess buying first model year vehicles. <p>I know other manufacturers have re-calls early in the first model year as well I only hope for Hyundai's sake that they can limit these types of issues. Especially when it deals with one of their bread-and-butter value points. Saftety.<p><A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/Autos/recall.reut" TARGET="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/Autos/recall.reut</A>/

toontoy
04-02-2005, 12:42 PM
It is nothing big, no vehicles have seen problems from this, it is so minorly out of spec that only in an extreme condition will it afffec the vehicle. It isn't like your brakes will lock up on you while driving, it just means that the system kicks in a little too early.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 03:36 PM
toontoy is right, it's not something we should worry about too much...considering there's nothing wrong with your car stopping too fast <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
04-02-2005, 04:28 PM
Haven't had a recall on mine. However mine is currently out of commision for a while. A person in an Accord felt they needed to stick their front bumper into the front driver's side center cap. Bent the axle. On the other hand, that Accord no longer has a front end, so I'm feeling pretty good about it. I didn't even shift in my seat when it hit. No air bags had to go off, although all of her's went off. I was hoping to never know how well it could take a shot, but having gone through it, I can first ahnd say it can take one hell of a shot.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 04:35 PM
Glad everything's okay...<p>damn crazy drivers...I'm fortuante to have never been involved in one...

deltaz
04-02-2005, 05:22 PM
holy connoli mega! talk about your close calls. glad you're ok as well. yeah I see what you, knicks and toontoy mean. It didn't seem like any thing huge. Just didn't like seeing any spotlight of any kind on Hyundai so soon after the release of one of their newest models.<p>I have such high expectation for this manufacturer and I know that there are the naysayers out there that even the slightest blemish can be exaggerated by them. So maybe I'm a bit over sensitive to this. You're all right more or less. Not a big deal. Guess I'm liking the brand, leaning more and more toward them, I just can't help routing for them to be number 1.

deltaz
04-02-2005, 06:31 PM
I realize that this has been responded to today but I couldn't help but digging a litter further on the subject of recalls seems that Hyundai wasn't the only manufacturer bit by the recall bug just check out these links as well... <A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=30&article_id=9369" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/ar...=9369</A> - Toyota Recalls Pick-ups!<p><A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=30&article_id=9370" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/ar...=9370</A> - Mercedes recalls 1.3 Million Cars! Just goes to show that it can happen to any manufacturer. It doesn't make me feel any better but at least there can't be any finger pointing when it comes to Hyundai. They are still a quality brand on the way up to me.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 06:45 PM
Good find deltaz...<p>As pointed out previously, the two cases with Hyundai and Toyota are nothing to be concerned, they are at best minmmal.<p>That said the MB recall sounds serious and attention must be paid. Since this is not the MB thread I won't go into any further and extract. Just to be warrant for those affected car owners...

deltaz
04-02-2005, 06:54 PM
right knicks - my only thing was to point out that even these so-called "marquee" brands aren't immune. So if there is any critics - sure there a quite a few- of hyundai that point to quality issues with this brand, we can easily point to the fact that Hyundai is not the only brand that has recalls but I think based on past memory they have the least number of re-calls (don't know the exact number) but I'm almost certain that they do of all manufacturers.<p>I know this maybe too early to ask in the Tucson's '05 model year but any idea when the '06 will be out? I'm thinking end of September? I'd like to see what extras option wise they'll offer. Have you heard any thing? Thanks.

knicks125
04-02-2005, 07:27 PM
Right on deltaz, I can tell you there are still a lot of hyundai critics, in fact, I'll admit, I was once one and I'm just glad I have looked past its badge and saw the true value of their cars. Although there are less and less hyundai critics now, i still think Hyundai is not getting enough recongition (or just mentions), such as the coverage of the auto show. That said, as long as Hyundai keeps going, which I know they will, pretty soon more and more people will regonize them...<p>As for the 06 Tucson, for the most part, it will be a carryover, espeically due to the fact it is still a new model and hyundai's car cycle (I think 5 or 6 years although they are shortening it now). But do look for some possible new colors and a few extra options, although I do not have any specific details. Other members here might have more expertise and/or information than I do... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
04-02-2005, 08:15 PM
Thanks. I'm sure someone on CSS may have some inside info to share. I'm really interested in learning whether the LX will have more options available? Like illuminated vanity visors, auto locking doors? replacement or re-design of the rear cargo cover...I'm hoping that they do. Also why not paint the one color for the LX...IMO the lower black cladding really doesn't look upscale for the LX.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by deltaz at 8:20 PM 4/2/2005</i>

enron
04-03-2005, 05:15 AM
Very good point. There are still far too many closed minded people in this country who can't get past the label. If people can evaluate cars with open mind than they can clearly see todays Hyundai are no throwaway cars. <p>on a side note. While I was in korea, I learned Samsung Electronics, who basically was nobody 15-20 years ago, have passed Sony and is contemplating buying sony. Sony the japanese electronics Icon may fall in to the hands of the samsung electronics. Just goes to show, business how big or small, should never underestimate the competition.

deltaz
04-03-2005, 10:14 AM
enron, very impressive. Seems like you learned a lot on your trip to S. Korea can you tell me whether you heard anything about '06 Tucson? options wise do you know whether any additional options will be added?

megadethmartyr
04-03-2005, 11:45 AM
The problem with recalls is that alot of people don't realize is EVERYONE gets to deal with it at some time or another. Humans are involved in manufacturing. Humans screw up. It happens. I had my Tib recalled once for the dumbest thign i've ever heard. THe recall stated that should I flip my car at excessive speed (60-80mph) the sparks from the cement contact MIGHT cause the gas tank to catch fire. This WAS NOT a federal recall but rather something someone at Hyundai figured out. I figure if I am on my roof at 80 mph, a gas fire is probably the last thing i'm worried about. Funny thing is they had a fix for it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
04-03-2005, 02:20 PM
mega glad you pointed that out also. I think all things being equal Hyundai is a brand too many critics can throw stondes at. But as you said it happens at one time or another to every manufacturer.

knicks125
04-03-2005, 03:41 PM
saw a 05 Tucson and a 05 Tibby...both look real good, in their own ways <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The Tucson was in blue <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and the Tibby was in black, I don't particuarly like the color black, but this one looks especially nice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I really like the lens and the lights

jberrer
04-05-2005, 08:35 AM
hyundai sometimes does recalls because they want to, not because they have to. Example: the elantra gets a poor frontal offset not because of structural failures like some others, but because the fuel tank ruptured due to a clamp that is indexed wrong. Also the dummy hit the steering wheel because the timing of the bag was off. Hyundai recalled and fixed the cars - because they wanted to - requested a retest and recieved the best rating of "good". They are that committed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

OlsenHyundai
04-05-2005, 02:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The problem with recalls is that alot of people don't realize is EVERYONE gets to deal with it at some time or another. Humans are involved in manufacturing. Humans screw up. It happens. I had my Tib recalled once for the dumbest thign i've ever heard. THe recall stated that should I flip my car at excessive speed (60-80mph) the sparks from the cement contact MIGHT cause the gas tank to catch fire. This WAS NOT a federal recall but rather something someone at Hyundai figured out. I figure if I am on my roof at 80 mph, a gas fire is probably the last thing i'm worried about. Funny thing is they had a fix for it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>can't find any Tib recall TSB on gas tank catching fire. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
04-05-2005, 02:43 PM
<A HREF="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls04/hyundia_kia.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.consumeraffairs.com....html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.recall-warnings.com/auto-content-20207.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.recall-warnings.com....html</A><p>that good enough Olsen?<p>took me 30 seconds

Andre
04-05-2005, 02:47 PM
Scuse me, the second one was for Hyundai in Puerto Rico, before you point that out and try to diss our source again, read this one<p><A HREF="http://www.recall-warnings.com/auto-content-47543.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.recall-warnings.com....html</A><p>--------------------------------------------------------------<p>Manufacturer's Involved: HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY <br>Manufacturer's Responsible for the Recall: HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY <br>Manufacturer Campaign Number: 066 <br>Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY <br>Potential Number Of Units Affected : 263968 <p>Summary: <br> SOME PASSENGER VEHICLES CONTAIN A FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY VALVE THAT MAY NOT CLOSE PROPERLY. IF A VEHICLE WITH A FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY VALVE THAT IS NOT PROPERLY CLOSED WERE TO ROLL OVER, FUEL SPILLAGE MAY OCCUR. <p>Consequence: <br> FUEL SPILLAGE IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE MAY RESULT IN A FIRE. <p><br>

megadethmartyr
04-05-2005, 04:45 PM
As Andre lays the smack down...

knicks125
04-06-2005, 06:16 AM
Hyundai launched Tucson in India today - FYI<p>I hope it does well there as it is here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

jberrer
04-06-2005, 10:45 AM
I remember the recall. This was also done to the xg350. When I asked my mechanic what it was about however, He told me that it "really" was an issue that kept tripping the check engine light. They made it a safety recall for whatever reason <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

enron
04-06-2005, 11:31 PM
which looks better the tucson or the new sportage? I know they are a mechanical twin but I think the new sportage looks better with different front grille.

knicks125
04-07-2005, 05:39 AM
IMO, I think the new sportage looks more sportier, but the Tucson is more refined...

deltaz
04-08-2005, 02:37 AM
knicks I agree that the Sportage definitely has the style appeal while the Tucson is has more the refined look -but I wished that the Tucson LX had one color paint to match the body cladding. The black body cladding color cheapens the look of Tucson IMO. Maybe '06 model will see variation will in colors and matching body color. Also re-design of cargo cover as well?

knicks125
04-08-2005, 06:23 AM
yes...hopefully the 06 changes will include those as you suggested, perhaps even more?<p>but I think it's mostly going to be a carryover with some color variartions and minor additions, at most...oh well, anything is welcomed and certaintly is a plus <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

kevinb120
04-08-2005, 11:39 PM
If it is based on the same vehicle as the new kia sportage is, they are not bad little trucks. The Escape is running away handilly from all its competition though, with a near 150% sales increase in 05 alone. Its just the Hyundai/Kia stigma with American buyers. This statement:<p>'Back in the 1980s and 1990s, most U.S. owners purchased a Hyundai because it was the only new vehicle they could afford'<p>Is still very true. I worked in a dealer network that sold Hyundai and Kia as well as just about every major maker, when they are sandwiched in an auto store between two brands (the one I worked at had Ford/Kia/Subaru), trying to get someone to look at one is quite a task, and the butt of a lot of jokes. I think all of the newer lines from both manufacturer's are light years better then before. They are not easy vehicles to sell, I have never switched one customer from another line into one unless it was credit-related. Not to mention internet sales(a vast majority of the customers) are a matter of how little dealer profit can possibly be made rather then selling the 'value' of the product. Considering how few buy extended warranties(and the typical trades are not the type that dealers can 'hold back' money on them), Its questionable how long dealers will WANT to sell profitless products in the future considering the cost of the real estate. The average Kia sale is about 80% into holdback.

megadethmartyr
04-09-2005, 01:35 AM
A dealer that sets up a standalone Hyundai dealership will reach profitablity within 1 year. There are over 40 recent additions that porve this statement. You just worked for avolume dealer I'm guessing.

deltaz
04-09-2005, 08:41 AM
kevinb your point is well taken. As far as the profitability aspect of the Hyunai and Kia are concerned in some however not in all cases. Vastly improved products from Hyundai will positively push profit margins. These are the conerstone of growing the bottomline of any company or dealer.<p>The new line-ups from Hyundai will be a break-through for this company. Lets not forget that HMA is experiencing its fastest and strongest growth in recent memory. Quarter after quarter has shown in the last three years that this is a fact. Even GM and Toyota's excs have acknowledged that HMA is a growing and present threat to their market leadership position. <p>Keep the faith kevinb Hyundai has not only re-inventing itself but as one of their tagline slogan says: Driving is believing. That day is coming...that day is NOW! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
04-09-2005, 10:35 AM
Actuaclly, just so it doesn't seem like I'm taking at shot at Kevinb, I'm not, but Hyundai is actually one of the most profitable brands out there today.

deltaz
04-09-2005, 08:35 PM
mega no doubt there are still some precepts out there that die hard. But ingrained beliefs are sometimes hard to overcome. I do believe though that one of the things Hyundai can do to move even more Tucsons is to offer more package options. As I have already written previously before they should be thinking about really adding more to their LX packages maybe they could come up with an LX #2 package with add ons like tire pressure monitor, auto locking doors, auto headlights, pwr seats, trip computer, illuminated controls for sideview mirrors, steering wheel mounted cruise controls. Why not one color scheme for all LXs? I also would like to see them switch to hydraulic mounted hood support rather than prop. <p>Ok these are just some of my wish list options. I know some are wishful but I'd like to see tire pressure monitor and trip computer at least added as standard. The rest could be worked in as option pacakages. I also think Hyundai should drop that awful putrid gold on the Tucson and go with the more upscale looking sand beige. That gold is so garishly obscene. Anyone else have any nice-to-haves they'd like to see added as option to Tucson?

kevinb120
04-10-2005, 08:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actuaclly, just so it doesn't seem like I'm taking at shot at Kevinb, I'm not, but Hyundai is actually one of the most profitable brands out there today. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The BRAND is making proffit, not the people who own dealers that put them on the road. An average Expedition is about the same as 5 or 6 Kia/Hyundai sales for a dealer money-wise, and they sell more Expys then the entire dealer's months sales combined. <p>The Minivans do pretty well because they undercut the major players by as much as 10k, but are getting a little tired, when they get updated they will surge ahead in a crowd of competitors that now can bust $40k for thier vans. The Kia Sportage should be a BIG hit because its price is much less then the escape/crv/rav now(not to mention how much better it got). The Sorento was a little too expensive-if they keep it in the same range with the new larger 3rd seat version it should pick up <I>dramatically</I>. The new lineup of sizes/price ranges with HMA should see a big upsurge in sales over the next 2 years. They are making all the right moves for a brighter future as everyone else keeps going through the roof with car pricing. I do like how you can actually watch a company tweak its products to fit market niches at the speed they do while others hang on to old ideas way too long.<p>When you can get well under msrp's of its competition, then you can make money because there is no barometer to require discounting. Dealers need to avoid whoring cars out now before the habit becomes the standard and everyone can make a few bucks selling them.

knicks125
04-10-2005, 09:35 AM
While I would like to see some numbers to back up your statement, I cna tell you from the people I have talked to, the three Hyundai exclusive dealerships in the area (where I live) has grown and profit so much that they all have expanded their operations, three of the leading dealers in the area, although two are owned by the same management. <p>I am not saying you are wrong but I'd like to see some hard numbers backing up your statements, as mega has pointed out, you might be working (might have worked) in a volume dealer. Granted, Ford is doing very well right now, and they needed this spur, but when compared to Hyundai/Kia, I just can't think the dealers themselves (at Ford) are finding more profit with the amount of incentives they are giving away. All three domestic (US) dealers here are pratically giving their cars away in my area.

deltaz
04-27-2005, 06:36 PM
Found this artilcle while I was trying to find a link to the new '06 Sonata commercial. Go figure? This is such a positive, fair and unbiased article that it shames the other so-called online publications that are always quick to point to Hyundai's so-called "close but not the level of toyota or Honda" tripe we usually see that they must have forgotten that American consumers don't vote on brands only but on quality+reliability=great value. <p>That explains why Hyundai's vehicles have been doing such a bang-bang job getting and gaining on these import front runners.<p><A HREF="http://research.cars.com/go/crp/reviews.jsp?makeid=19&modelid=7633&year=2005&revid=47233&revlogtype=22" TARGET="_blank">http://research.cars.com/go/cr...pe=22</A>

the cheddar
04-28-2005, 05:07 PM
There's a difference between dealers making money and manufacturers making money. My uncle owns 4 dealerships and he HATES his Hyundai store. He barely makes any money off them at all and they're a pain to work with. The manufacturer is a totally different story. But all things being equal a larger volume store is able to make more profits through its volume sales and economies of scale at the store.<p>BTW, Ford is the one paying out all those incentives (hence the oft-used "factory-to-dealer incentive" phrase) not the dealers. And Hyundai is not immune. There's a 2500 cash back deal going on to keep them moving right now.<p>

knicks125
04-28-2005, 07:41 PM
No offense but your uncle is selling cars in the wrong area. How do you expect to sell hyundai models at a profit in your neck of woods.<p>Actually the tri-state area dealers I have talked to, (NY, NJ, CT). The dealers over there are doing really well in their respective hyundai dealers, maybe this is a east coast thing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

enron
04-29-2005, 03:11 AM
I don't understand. If your uncle hates the hyundai store that much, why does he still have it? He can sell it or get rid of it all togather. why hang on to a money losing franchise?<p><br>I read in the latest JD powers dealer survery, Hyundai came in 3rd as faras overall dealer satisfaction is concenrned.<p> <br>what area is that hyundai store located?

jberrer
04-29-2005, 07:29 AM
Really, its all in what you make of it. I'm in the midwest where hyundai doesn't expect much. Our store carries hyundai, mazda & subaru. Hyundai has carried the store for the last 3 years. We are currently doing 300% of what hyundai has set as an objective for this area! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
05-01-2005, 08:10 AM
The store I just hooked up with sells Hyundai, Subaru, and Caddys. Hyundai outsell all of them by at least a 10-1 ratio. OlsenHyundai knows at Olsen they more Hyundai's than anything too. Update on my poor Tucson. Insurance company didn't have ANY info repair info on the Tucson so it took a long freakin time for them to okay the body work. It should be done this week. Hey Olsen, it's at your store,, maybe I look you when I go get it. It's the blue GLS with no front left fender. Stupid ZX2.

Vector
05-02-2005, 12:40 PM
Please don't flame me! Hyundais make very low margins because the buyers are price shoppers. Most (not necessarily all of you) are buying the price, not the car. This makes them difficult dealerships to own when the market gets tight (some parts of the country had it rough this year). But on the other hand they can be very good dealerships when you move a lot of product. So it's volume vs. margin: The never-ending X-factor of business.<p>This is one of the key reasons Hyundai is trying to moving upmarket.

megadethmartyr
05-02-2005, 08:05 PM
Most manufacturers could sell the cars at half prcie and still make huge profits.

the cheddar
05-03-2005, 11:06 AM
That might be true of some other industry but for the auto business it is utterly, completely and totally not true in the slightest. <p>Look at the massive losses in the industry right now. Where some are increasing profits (Honda selling more trucks, Toyota kicking everyone's a--), most manufacturers are struggling to restructure their business models or even losing money. There are simply HUGE fixed costs that demand the pricing that exists. <p>I don't mean to make a fool of you or anything and I know this is a bit off topic but that's just a ludicrous statement that shouldn't go unchallenged.

megadethmartyr
05-03-2005, 11:18 AM
I misspoke with the "huge" profits. They would still make money. That I do stand by. That is in fact true. How much do you actually think it costs to build a car when built in such huge numbers? You can't possibly believe every single $25,000 (for example) car costs anywhere near that to build. That why the domestics are continuously revamping contracts with suppliers. They know in orfer to sell cars they have to use incentives. They are constatnly backing down contracts to maintain their profit margin while maintaining retrail prices and incentives. The reason some manufacuters are losing money is they are tied to old money contracts while using massive incentives. that is why they lose money. The examples you used as profitable are also companies that don't buy into the huge incentive wars. Every manufacturer has built in profit margins in EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE THEY BUILD despite what the eventual dealer sells them for. That is also why manufacturers take a while to set final pricing. They try to make as much of the vehicle while maintaining for future incentives.

Uberwagon
05-03-2005, 02:09 PM
Even with the qualifications, I have to agree, your assertion that manufacturers would still make money at half-price is 100% incorrect. Manufacturers are under enormous margin pressure at the moment and are tied to fixed costs which require that they generate revenue, often at the expense of profits.<p>Ford and GM have recently shared that when you purchase one of their vehicles, you are paying more for health care than for the steel. Labour contracts maintain large capacity keeping factories open and prohibiting layoffs (nothing against labour here). R&D expenditures must be amoritized. Dealer networks must be serviced. Etc. All of this means that they must maintain income, constantly, regardless of profits, and put pressure on suppliers to cut costs. This is why they offer incentives (which cut into margins but maintain revenue streams). It's also why you read about VW losing $1.1 billion on their American operations this year, yet still staying open. And why domestics have to endure money losing years on occasion. Like now.<p>*They simply must price models competitively to maintain sales, hopefully at a profit, but not always.*<p>Manufacturers do not make money on every car they build either. Passenger cars consistently lost money in the 90's for GM and Ford. It was massive profits on their trucks which kept them going (some say foolishly). Aviators made something like $19,000 of profit per! But even then, they never had (to my knowledge) 50% profit margins. Even today, some manufacturers maintain economies of scale by breaking even or losing some money on some models while enjoying large profits on others. <p>No, I'm afraid that a half price car is just half a car, unfortunately. Cars that earn a 10% profit margins just become 40% money losers, eating up cash, fast.<p>Apologies to everyone for getting off topic but I think this relates to Tuscon: Hyundai, with this car and others, is exacerbating the profit margin issue by undercutting the market. This puts pressure on other manufacturers to lower their prices, further cutting their profits and putting more pressure on suppliers. I know this sounds like an economics class but it's relevant: The Hyundai Tuscon is putting a larger, more competitively priced SUV right smack in the middle of the most profitable segment for the domestics. Uh-oh!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
05-03-2005, 03:50 PM
Also quality means money loses. The quality strides Hyundai has made has meant less warranty claims. Warranty claims eat a good chunk of profit. Like you said with the Tucson and other models, Hyundai is kinda screwing up everyone's day. It's definately going to hurt the domestics and Europeans.

deltaz
05-03-2005, 06:01 PM
Latest news on Hyundai April Sales up 16.9%!<p>Let the numbers speak!<p><A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050503/latu105.html?.v=10" TARGET="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/05....v=10</A>

knicks125
05-28-2005, 09:13 PM
Another one popped up on Friday, have a read...<p><A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B0055A1D0-B23A-4A11-B03B-7C6EB2A12438%7D&siteid=google" TARGET="_blank">http://www.marketwatch.com/new...oogle</A><p>- MarketWatch

megadethmartyr
05-29-2005, 02:50 PM
The Tucson was just named the best new name plate of all new models in what I think was a JD Power finding (I'll check for sure when I get to work on Mon.) and also was named #3 in it's class, which is impressive becasue the Rav 4 and CRV have been out for a few years now and the Tucson is the new player, imagine where it'll rank after the time in the market that these two have already had.

knicks125
05-29-2005, 03:01 PM
It's doing really well in sales and I'm seeing more and more on the road.<p>Mega you are right, see below:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005069c.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
05-30-2005, 08:13 PM
That same study named the Tucson the best new SUV market entry, or something like that.

knicks125
06-05-2005, 09:25 AM
The Tucson is defn. paying dividends for Hyundai and its US operations, reflected by its May sales figure <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
06-11-2005, 06:35 AM
I do wish it was a lot more like new Sonata, I dont know what type of fabric do you guys get in the US, but in Europe I just got some very "old sofa"-like fabric which simply does not look good and because of it the whole car looks cheap. It feels like it is good quality though, just looks very ....<p>What kind of fabric is used in US?