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Naga Royal Guard
11-05-2004, 09:28 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img30.exs.cx/img30/2765/cls55amg1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img26.exs.cx/img26/2751/cls55amg2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img26.exs.cx/img26/3163/cls55amg3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: DC<p>CLS in sunny St Tropez France :D<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//4.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//5.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//7.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//8.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//9.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//10.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//11.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//12.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//13.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//14.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//15.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.nasharty.com/cars/mbw/cls//16.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>Source: Posted by "The Artist" at <A HREF="http://germancarfans.zeroforum.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=9973" TARGET="_blank">GermanCarFans</A><p><b>slytoksy </b>

Naga Royal Guard
11-05-2004, 09:29 PM
<br>unique amalgamation of power and design<br>Supercharged AMG 5.5-litre V8-engine with 350 kW/476 hp <br>AIRMATIC DC air suspension with AMG-specific configuration <br>AMG SPEEDSHIFT with steering-wheel gearshift in Formula-1 style <br>18-inch AMG twin-spoke wheels, muscular AMG styling <br>AMG sports seats with exclusive nappa/nubuck leather upholstery <br>Imposing performance figures, a dynamic design and exclusive specification: Mercedes-AMG has succeeded in creating a most desirable car in the form of the new CLS 55 AMG. This unique four-door coup is driven by the powerful and refined AMG V8 supercharged engine, which generates an output of 350 kW/476 hp and 700 Newton metres of torque from a displacement of 5.5 litres. This gives the car truly top-notch performance: the CLS 55 AMG accelerates from standstill to 100 km/h in just 4.7 seconds and reaches 200 km/h after 16.1 seconds; the maximum speed is electronically limited to 250 km/h. The market launch of the CLS 55 AMG is planned for January 2005. <p>The impressive power of the supercharged V8 engine is due to the sophisticated supercharger technology already familiar from the SL 55 AMG and E 55 AMG. The belt-driven supercharger and the intercooler are located between the banks of cylinders; these work together with the low temperature radiator in the front end to achieve particularly efficient cooling of the charge air. <p><br>As in the other AMG high-performance cars, the engine power is transferred to the wheels via the AMG SPEEDSHIFT five-speed automatic transmission. This allows the driver to choose between fully automatic or manual gear changes, the latter being possible by using either the selector lever or  in Formula-1 style - the gearshift buttons on the ergonomic AMG sports steering wheel. In the manual "M" programme the driver is able to make full use of the high torque generated by the supercharged V8 engine, as there is no automatic downshift under full load or during kick-down; the automatic transmission steadfastly remains in the selected gear. In the manual shift programme AMG-SPEEDSHIFT does not automatically execute an upshift when it reaches the engine speed limit, which allows drivers with a particularly sporty style to make even better use of the high performance potential. <p><br>Other technical highlights of AMG-SPEEDSHIFT include lockup of the torque converter from 1st gear, active engine-braking downshift and the "optimal gear function"; these provide an extremely direct driving experience in conjunction with more spontaneous and up to 35 percent faster gear changes. <p><br>Newly developed AMG sports suspension based on AIRMATIC DC<br>The powerplant is superbly complemented by the AMG sports suspension and the AMG high-performance braking system of the CLS 55 AMG. Mercedes-AMG engineers have developed a new AMG sports suspension based on the semi-active air suspension AIRMATIC DC with the Adaptive Damping System. Both the springs and dampers are configured more stiffly compared to the CLS 500. AMG shock absorbers with modified characteristics in all three stages result in reduced body movements. The suspension of the CLS 55 AMG has been lowered by ten millimetres compared to that of the other models in the CLS-Class. Automatic level control all-round ensures that spring travel remains exactly the same even when the car is laden. Larger stabilisers reduce body roll when negotiating bends at speed. <p><br>AIRMATIC DC enables the driver of the CLS 55 AMG to choose between more comfort-oriented or very sporty handling characteristics; both the dampers and springs instantly respond to the current driving situation, controlled by the latest micro-electronics. Information relating to the steering and yaw angles of the car body, linear and lateral acceleration, the vehicle attitude and the style of driving is processed for this purpose. The desired configuration can also be set manually in three stages at the touch of a button, meeting a wide variety of customer wishes. Thanks to its direct steering ratio, the power-assisted, speed-sensitive power steering included as standard ensures precise handling in any driving situation. Below 100 km/h the power assistance is automatically increased in the interests of a lower steering effort. Above this threshold the servo effect is reduced for the benefit of road-contact feel. <p><br>The electronic suspension control system  which includes ESP - has been adapted to suit the extremely dynamic performance. The innovative traction function meets the most demanding requirements: specific braking intervention at the inside wheel on bends  without reducing engine power  means that engine torque is transferred to the wheel which has better traction. This achieves the same effect as a mechanical limited-slip differential. Valuable experience gained over more than three decades of motor sports provided the basis for a high-performance power transfer, with a more robust propeller shaft, a new steel rear axle with reinforced wheel location elements and drive shafts, together with spring links of welded high-strength steel. The rear axle differential features cooling fins which reduce the oil temperature by up to 20 degrees Celsius. <p><br>High-performance braking system adopted from the SL 55 AMG Roadster <br>The CLS 55 AMG is equipped with the acclaimed high-performance braking system of the SL 55 AMG, which is based on the electro-hydraulic braking system Sensotronic Brake Control (SBC). Internally ventilated, perforated disc brakes all round and silver-painted, eight-piston brake callipers at the front guarantee impressive deceleration values with a high fade resistance. The major details of the AMG high-performance braking system at a glance:<br>

Naga Royal Guard
11-05-2004, 09:29 PM
18-inch AMG light-alloy wheels and powerful AMG bodystyling <br>The chosen combination of wheels and tyres also contributes to dynamic handling, with wide-base tyres in size 255/40 and 285/35 mounted on 8.5 and 9.5-inch wide, 18-inch twin-spoke AMG light-alloy wheels. AMG light-alloy wheels in a four-spoke design are also available in the same sizes and with the same tyres. In addition the CLS 55 AMG can be visually enhanced with 19-inch AMG light-alloy wheels in a new five-spoke design with tyres in size 255/35 and 285/30. A tyre pressure loss warning system is standard equipment. This ESP-based system detects deviations from the nominal values on the basis of various data such as wheel speeds, lateral acceleration, yaw rate and wheel moments, showing any irregularities in the kazzoopits central display as a warning message: "Tyre pressure, check tyres". <p><br>Muscular AMG bodystyling for sophisticated coup elegance <br>The sophisticated coup design of the CLS 55 AMG is characterised by muscular AMG bodystyling, which includes a striking front apron with large air intakes and round fog lamps, side skirts and a prominent diffuser-look rear apron. Visual and acoustic highlights are provided by the two oval, chrome-plated tailpipes of the AMG sports exhaust system. The distinctive radiator grille with three robust, silver-painted vanes and "V8 KOMPRESSOR" lettering on the front wings are further identifying features. The harmoniously integrated spoiler lip on the boot lid reduces lift at the rear axle by approx. 30 percent, further improving handling stability at high speeds. <p><br>Comprehensive, high-grade standard equipment with nappa leather upholstery<br>The interior appointments of the CLS 55 AMG represent a pleasing combination of exclusive, sporty styling, high-quality materials and outstanding quality of finish. The design of the new AMG multicontour sports seats exhibits special AMG perforations, lateral piping and double stitching; the seats are heated and feature an AMG emblem, as well as Alcantara panels at shoulder level which ensure excellent lateral support when taking bends at high speed. There are numerous electrical adjustments for the front seats, and different settings can also be stored using a memory function. <p><br>The plentiful high-quality appointments in the CLS 55 AMG include fine nappa leather in a choice of three colours for the seat upholstery, centre door panels and the centre armrest, an AMG ergonomic sports steering wheel with gearshift buttons, an AMG instrument cluster with a 320-km speedometer scale, white dials, red needles, "V8 KOMPRESSOR" lettering, chromed door sill panels with the AMG logo and sporty pedals of polished stainless steel with rubber studs. <p><br>The extensive standard appointments in the CLS 55 AMG also include exotic wood trim in matt silk burr walnut, THERMOTRONIC automatic climate control, ISOFIX child seat attachment points in the rear and bi-xenon headlamps together with the Active Light System. <p><br>The following extras are available for further individualisation (extract): <p>DISTRONIC proximity control <br>COMAND APS with DVD navigation system <br>Dynamic multicontour seats in the front <br>Remote boot lid locking <br>KEYLESS-GO <br>Luxury front seats with ventilation <br>Tyre pressure monitoring system <br>Surround sound system <br>LINGUATRONIC voice control system <br>TV tuner <br>Decorative trim in high-gloss or matt silk laurel <br>Exclusive designo metallic paintwork, leather upholstery and trim<br>An exclusive designo range will be available for the new CLS 55 AMG from April 2005. Customers will be able to configure their own personal vehicle from a range of 13 different metallic paint finishes and single-tone designo leather upholstery in a choice of ten colour tones. The designo seats are in a distinctive design with six-fold longitudinal piping, double-topstitched seams and a matt chrome designo emblem. As an exclusive additional feature, the Alcantara roof lining is available in a choice of anthracite, pebble beige or alpaca grey. The range of decorative trim comprises designo matt natural oak, cinnamora designo matt red brown or designo black piano lacquer. <p><br>Perfected occupant protection as standard, PRE-SAFE available rom 2005<br>With the occupant protection system in the CLS 55 AMG, Mercedes-Benz is once again reinforcing its claim to be the trailblazer in car safety. The design of the passenger cell offers passengers a high level of protection in any type of accident. Intelligent restraint systems such as adaptive front airbags, high-performance belt tensioners on all four seats, belt force limiters (adaptive in the front), front sidebags and windowbags are standard equipment. Sidebags for the rear passengers are available as optional equipment. <p><br>From the beginning of 2005, the pioneering, award-winning PRE-SAFE protection system will become available for the CLS 55 AMG. PRE-SAFE already recognises critical handling situations which might lead to an accident in advance. This enables the vehicle's occupants to be preventively prepared for an impending collision: <p><br>The seat belts of the driver and front passenger are pre-tensioned as a precaution. <p><br>If unfavourably adjusted, the front passenger seat is brought into a more favourable position with respect to its longitudinal adjustment and cushion/backrest angle. <p><br>The sunroof and side windows are automatically closed.

jro4566
12-20-2004, 07:49 PM
I'd like it more if they fixed the swooping trunklid.

KleemannSL
12-22-2004, 07:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JONNY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">will it beat the M5 in straight line?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>For now only by design, for speed whait for the 63AMG <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

KleemannSL
12-22-2004, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JONNY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how many horsepower the 63 AMG is supposed to have??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> but i dont think it will match the handling of M5</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dont know but i sure its gonna be faster. About the handling, BMW is the best <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>But dont care

RikfromBelgium
12-22-2004, 10:14 AM
Don't you find it sad they need a turbocharged 6.3l to take on a NA 5l? <br>I would

syclone
12-22-2004, 11:05 AM
How much is this thing going to cost? I saw a CLS500 in a showroom last week for 84,000. As much as I loved it, it just seemed a bit steep. I'm afraid the price on this could put it to the point where people will either take Quattroportes or save money and go for an XJR

RikfromBelgium
12-22-2004, 11:07 AM
I thought something arround euro98.000, German prices

Cozz
12-23-2004, 09:56 PM
Do you find it sad that Hyundai uses less plastic on the dash than the M5?

knihc2008
12-23-2004, 10:04 PM
don't you find it sad that you'll be more busy figeting with your idrive controller whilst i actually get to drive without having to worry about memorizing knob combinations in order to change my radio? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

knihc2008
12-23-2004, 10:05 PM
and, btw, the 6.3l turbo V12 you speak of will OBLITERATE the 5l in the M5, what with 612 hp and 700+ lbs of torque.<p>maybe you mean the 5.5 kompressor?

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 05:33 AM
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RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 05:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you find it sad that Hyundai uses less plastic on the dash than the M5?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>no, because that's not true <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>funny guy

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 05:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't you find it sad that you'll be more busy figeting with your idrive controller whilst i actually get to drive without having to worry about memorizing knob combinations in order to change my radio? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, what's hilarious is that a company called MB made some advertisments for their S-class with the slogan " I-drive? No you drive" some time ago has now decided to give their new S-class I-drive. <br>That's just hilarious <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 05:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and, btw, the 6.3l turbo V12 you speak of will OBLITERATE the 5l in the M5, what with 612 hp and 700+ lbs of torque.<p>maybe you mean the 5.5 kompressor?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, I did mean the 6.3l in response to the remark made about the 63 CLS.<br>The 5.5l Kompressor E class can't do sh** about the M5.<br>Seeing they will need to use a 6.3l engine, wheighing about the same as Pluto propably costing as much as value of a small third world country I don't even consider the M5 and 6.3l AMG's in the same segment.

KleemannSL
12-24-2004, 05:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No, what's hilarious is that a company called MB made some advertisments for their S-class with the slogan " I-drive? No you drive" some time ago has now decided to give their new S-class I-drive. <br>That's just hilarious <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its NOT that stupid I-drive that my friend has <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Its the COMMAND III <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 05:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KleemannSL</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Its NOT that stupid I-drive that my friend has <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Its the COMMAND III <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> screens on the dash, central button to control it. They can try to sell it as Command III as much as they want. Every magazine, or guy that knows anything about cars will look at it as I-drive.

KleemannSL
12-24-2004, 05:49 AM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> screens on the dash, central button to control it. They can try to sell it as Command III as much as they want. Every magazine, or guy that knows anything about cars will look at it as I-drive. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Who sais that the command III will be so difficult as the I-drive!!!<br>You tested 'm???? The I-drive has a book that looks like phonebook <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>And if the command 3 will be such difficult as the I-drive, than I'm with you.

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 05:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KleemannSL</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Who sais that the command III will be so difficult as the I-drive!!!<br>You tested 'm???? The I-drive has a book that looks like phonebook <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>And if the command 3 will be such difficult as the I-drive, than I'm with you.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Whether or not their system will be easier is'n the question.<br>It would be an outrage if they couldn't produce an easier version or at least the same after 2 versions from BMW and MMI from Audi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>No matter how easy or maybe better it will be, it will still be BMW I-drive by Benz.

KleemannSL
12-24-2004, 05:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Whether or not their system will be easier is'n the question.<br>It would be an outrage if they couldn't produce an easier version or at least the same after 2 versions from BMW and MMI from Audi <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>No matter how easy or maybe better it will be, it will still be BMW I-drive by Benz. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you'r gonna talk about"WHO WAS FIRST", than read the history of the german cars.<br>BTW: its not making something, its making something good! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 06:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KleemannSL</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>If you'r gonna talk about"WHO WAS FIRST", than read the history of the german cars.<br>BTW: its not making something, its making something good! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dont come with that crap about MB inventing the car and the engine and stuff. Benz was just the quickest getting a patent.<br>he was actually beaten about 20 years by a Belgian guy named Lenoir. Sadly it had never crossed his mind to get a patent. <br>And yes, Mercedes has made their revolutionary items for cars during the years. And they, along with MB-fans, have used these items to introduce themselves as the better German Brand and revolutionary brand. <p>But this is no Mercedes Idea, it's origins ara Bavarian. And I'll be damned to let this pass so easily, certainly after that stupid ad made by them.

KleemannSL
12-24-2004, 06:13 AM
And what was BMW doing those times, while MB was working? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-24-2004, 06:14 AM
just check the amount awards BMW has recieved the last couple of years for their technology <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

KleemannSL
12-24-2004, 06:18 AM
I appreciate that, i like tech's of BMW. Now I'm looking to future

Cozz
12-24-2004, 02:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Dont come with that crap about MB inventing the car and the engine and stuff. Benz was just the quickest getting a patent.<br>he was actually beaten about 20 years by a Belgian guy named Lenoir. Sadly it had never crossed his mind to get a patent. <br>And yes, Mercedes has made their revolutionary items for cars during the years. And they, along with MB-fans, have used these items to introduce themselves as the better German Brand and revolutionary brand. <p>But this is no Mercedes Idea, it's origins ara Bavarian. And I'll be damned to let this pass so easily, certainly after that stupid ad made by them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would like to read that info. I already read about it before and each story I read is a bit different. <p>So this guy is smart enough to the the motor in car stuff but too stupid to get a pantent? Wich part do you want me to throw the BS flag? The story doesn't work for a lot of people. At least say it was five 5 years before MB got the pantent, not 20 years where the techonolgy didn't even exist. In order to get the pantent, you have to show it works. MB is the first ever to show it worked. I don't give a rats ass who "said" they did it, show my the money. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-24-2004, 02:41 PM
well some guy did invent the "Bose" system and another jacked the idea and patented it and gets full credit for it<p>not that it matters who invented it, rather who masters the technology and develops it accordingly

Toxic
12-24-2004, 06:55 PM
looks nice, love the headlights

RikfromBelgium
12-25-2004, 10:04 AM
Well, I did some researche and it seems he did patent it.<br>Problem is his "car" had 3 wheels.<br>The Benz had 4, and theirfore is called the first car.<br>I'll post the link lateron.

RikfromBelgium
12-25-2004, 10:15 AM
here is the link <br><A HREF="http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarsgasa.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://inventors.about.com/lib...a.htm</A><p>and you were right, I was wrong about those 20 years, it's 27- 22 years <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
12-25-2004, 09:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I did some researche and it seems he did patent it.<br>Problem is his "car" had 3 wheels.<br>The Benz had 4, and theirfore is called the first car.<br>I'll post the link lateron. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So MB was the first car company. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> &lt;--- I love this gremlin. I shall use it a lot.<p>Can we get back to the subject now? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-25-2004, 09:56 PM
GM didnt invent sh** ( ok they do have some significant technologies, yada yada) and they are the world's largest automaker, so who cares who started it<p>this is about whos gonna finish it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-26-2004, 04:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So MB was the first car company. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> &lt;--- I love this gremlin. I shall use it a lot.<p>Can we get back to the subject now? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Company, maybe but they sure as hell didn't invent it. Their name just stuck.

Naga Royal Guard
12-26-2004, 07:03 PM
yea guys, and what does this have to do w/ the CLS 55 AMG?

Cozz
12-26-2004, 07:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Company, maybe but they sure as hell didn't invent it. Their name just stuck. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>First to put a motor into a four wheel chassis. It's that a car? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
12-26-2004, 07:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea guys, and what does this have to do w/ the CLS 55 AMG? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>EVERYTHING! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-27-2004, 03:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>First to put a motor into a four wheel chassis. It's that a car? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>you're right, they added the 4th wheel: genius <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Cozz
12-27-2004, 06:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>you're right, they added the 4th wheel: genius <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually, he was. That's why there was 2 guys at the start of MB. I read that one of the guys knew how to make both wheels steer and the other new about the motors and what not. Nobody knew how to make both tyres turn at the same time. I don't even think there was any type of chassis that had 2 wheels streeing with any type of power before tham.

Naga Royal Guard
12-27-2004, 07:26 AM
donkey carts?

RikfromBelgium
12-27-2004, 09:38 AM
So they invented the steeringwheel, sounds a bit less exciting don't you think?

Cozz
12-27-2004, 11:10 PM
You just mad because BMW didn't think of it first. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Don't be haten'! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-28-2004, 12:39 AM
what the hell, how does a thread about a preformance version of some sedan degrade into " who invented the car first"<p>im calling the police

RikfromBelgium
12-28-2004, 05:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You just mad because BMW didn't think of it first. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Don't be haten'! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
12-28-2004, 11:13 AM
ALRIGHT BACK ON TOPIC EVERY ONE!!! :(<br>

velsatis
12-30-2004, 02:33 AM
Guys, lets make a topic somewhere called Mercedes Vs bmw and stop with the out of topic crap.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:57 AM 12/30/2004</i>

kevinb120
01-02-2005, 09:16 PM
I drive and all the other uber-gizmos are friggin stupid anyway. How much crap does a car need? Most of the idiots in the US that own cars like this can't PARK thier car well, the whole R/D/N/P thing has them confused. Why would you stick something like that in a car, because you can? Stupid. I wonder what happens if you have one break out of warranty. Other then that, the car is sick! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

bucket
01-04-2005, 05:32 AM
since mercedes has started to stray from their traditional method of naming cars, it is far too easy to get confused as to what displacement some of the engines are and which engine someone is talking about. the S600 is no longer necessarily a 6L engine, the S65 is not a 6.5L, etc. <p>here's a quick summary of what is/what was/what will be in the amg models:<p>5.5L NA V8 - used in the ML55, as well as the first E55. G55, S55, CL55, CLK55, and C55. the current CLK55, upcoming SLK55, and upcoming C55 use a modified version of this engine which gives out a little more horsepower.<p>5.4L supercharged V8 - aka "kompressor", used in the current S55, SL55, CL55, E55, G55, upcoming CLS55, and also the starting point for the SLR's engine<p>5.8L V12 - used in the '01-'02 S600 and CL600. this engine was detuned from its 6.0L, 389hp predecessor, but it did have the ability to run on one bank of cylinders to benefit fuel economy<p>6.3L NA V12 - used in the '01 S63 and CL63 with a reported output of 444hp. these models were supposed to sit above the non-kompressor S55 and CL55 once it became widely known how much faster the (NA 5.8L)600s were<p>5.5L biturbo V12 - used in the S600, CL600, and SL600 starting in '03. 500hp/590tq, hello mercedes taillights.<p>6.0L biturbo V12 - found in the S65, SL65, and CL65. 600+hp, 700+tq. an exercise in excess.<p>6.0L NA V12 - the original S600's engine. used from the early 90's until 2000 in the CL and S class and until 2002 in the SL.<p>6.3L NA V8 - this engine is in development to replace the 5.4L kompressor. mercedes has expressed interest in steering away from forced-induction engines, mostly due to reliability issues/questions. how it will be numbered on future models is unknown, but it will probably not be (N)65 AMG in order to avoid confusion with the V12 65.<p><br>i hope this answers at least a few questions. some of the model years may be a little off for european posters, as i used the north american years for most of them.

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 05:56 AM
Could it be they have seen the NA-light <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

bucket
01-04-2005, 06:01 AM
i've driven the S600 with turbos and without. they're both great cars and great engines, but there's something about those two turbos pinning you to your seat and taking you into triple-digit speed that the NA engine just can't match.

spwolf
03-14-2005, 03:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JONNY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you say N/A can't match you are obviously refering to mercedes engines right??? because bmw M5 manages to have the same horspower of a twim turbo 5.5 liver V12.... of course i am not talking about torque but this issue is solved by that 7 speed of the M.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Eh, he was talking about feeling the speed on your pants, which is where torque matters... Nothing beats torque. 0-60 times are really not important... When someone test drives both, he would feel MB twin-turbo V12 is leaps and bounds faster over M5's V12... BMW being BMW, makes it all good with good tranny's, lower weight and all that nice engineering stuff....<p>HP is for advertising, torque is for speed...

RikfromBelgium
03-15-2005, 09:28 AM
It's a V10<p>that's why M -cars whipe the floor with any AMG on the track<p>That's why on average AMG uses 1l more with their engines<p>that's why they use 612Bhp, because it's the torque that's the most important <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>nonetheless, let's not have one of those endless HP-Torque discussions

Cozz
03-15-2005, 07:36 PM
Ohh that crack pipe...<p>So Rik, when are we going to talk about some F1? I hear BMW is buying a team. My sources say that Williams was talking to Toyota for engines!

Roadster44
03-16-2005, 10:59 AM
Williams' relationship with BMW I think has greatly deteriorated. I think it all started to happen with Gerhard Berger leaving. As for BMW itself...they are looking at Sauber. Which makes sense. Either you start a team, buy into an existing team or partner up with someone. I think #2 is obvious. Tell tale signs are there, such as changing from Bridgestone to Michelin, releasing its own gearbox, changing to BMW next year. <p>As for technology in cars, its not a matter of needing it. Its a matter of selling it and giving customer that "my car has a crapload of toys in it". CLS in itself a toy.