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Naga Royal Guard
11-05-2004, 09:20 PM
<IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/h1_off_01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/h1_off_02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/h1_off_03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/h1_off_04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/h1_off_05.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><b>H3: Authentic HUMMER Style And Capability In A Midsize</b><p><b>ANAHEIM, Calif.</b> - The next chapter of the growing HUMMER legacy, the 2006 H3 delivers authentic HUMMER style and off-road capability in a smaller, more fuel efficient package. Just as its legendary H1 and H2 siblings did in the full-size segment, the H3 will create a new leader in off-road capability among midsize sport utilities when it arrives at dealers in spring 2005.<p>"H3's arrival establishes an extraordinary new presence in the previously ordinary world of midsize SUVs," said Susan Docherty, HUMMER general manager. "HUMMER has developed a passionate following because of its unmatched style and capability, and the H3 extends that appeal by making the brand accessible to a broader range of potential owners."<p>H3 packs uncompromising HUMMER style and capability into its midsize dimensions. Compared to the H2, the H3 is 16.9 inches shorter in length, 6 inches shorter in height and 6.5 inches narrower. Roughly the same length as a midsize family sedan, H3 comfortably navigates city traffic and delivers HUMMER's trademark incredible crawling and climbing capability.<p>Powered by the Vortec 3500 engine with dual overhead cams and variable valve timing, the H3 features a combination of power and greatly improved fuel economy. H3 is projected to reach peak fuel economy of up to 20 miles per gallon. H3 will be the first HUMMER to offer the choice of a manual or an automatic transmission, as many off-road enthusiasts value the ultimate control of a manual.<p>The H3 was engineered for off-road leadership among midsize SUVs. The heart of the truck's capability is its electronically controlled four-wheel-drive system. That system is augmented with features such as a fully locking rear differential, traction control, underbody shielding and GM's StabiliTrak vehicle stability enhancement system. H3 offers two tire packages, a Goodyear 32-inch all-terrain tire and Bridgestone 33-inch, both larger than any other midsize SUV. <p>In addition to its uncompromised off-road capabilities, the H3 also provides the refinement, comfort and convenience required for enjoyable on-road driving. It offers premium options such as heated leather seats, a large electric sliding sunroof, a DVD-based navigation radio and numerous customized accessories.<p>The H3 represents a significant step in the HUMMER brand's rapid growth, and an important product for its new network of dealers. It joins the H1, the cornerstone HUMMER that was based on the legendary military vehicle; the H2 SUV, the more modern and civilized full-size HUMMER; and the H2 SUT launched in 2004 that features an innovative reconfigurable cargo bed.<p><b>Capable</b><p>Specifically designed as a truck engine, the Vortec 3500 is a 3.5L inline five-cylinder offering an excellent combination of power and efficiency. The engine delivers 220 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 225 lb.-ft. of torque at 2800 rpm. In terms of performance, the Vortec 3500 provides the H3 with excellent power and control for off-roading, with comfortable and capable on-road characteristics, including acceleration that equals the V-8 powered H2 in most driving conditions. The Vortec 3500 brings premium features and advanced technologies - including dual overhead cams, variable valve timing, electronic throttle control and low mass. The engine also features unique counter-rotating balance shafts to help minimize noise, vibration and harshness.<p>The Vortec 3500 is available in the H3 with either a standard, smooth-shifting five-speed manual transmission or a Hydra-Matic 4L60-E electronically controlled four-speed automatic transmission. The automatic transmission includes shift modes specific to low-range operation, which, combined with speed-based throttle progressions, help optimize driveability in low-range, off-highway operation.<p>The H3 also has a standard new Borg-Warner two-speed electrically controlled full-time four-wheel-drive system with a 2.64:1 ratio low-range gear reduction for highly controlled off-road obstacle climbing. An optional version provides aggressive low range gearing - a 4.03:1 ratio - for ultimate obstacle-climbing control. <p>Both versions provide the choice of operating modes:<p><br> 4High-range Open, for optimum highway performance and comfort under normal road conditions<br> 4High-range Locked, which allows torque to be transferred to the front or rear wheels as needed<br> 4Low-range Locked, for severe off-pavement use, such as crawling over large rocks or logs, or deep sand or snow.<br> 4Low-range Locked plus driver-selectable electronic rear differential locked, with the optional 4.03:1 low-range transfer case gearing, providing crawling and climbing power every bit as capable as the legendary H1 and H2<br> Neutral, for flat-towing the H3.<br><p>H3's more maneuverable size provides advantages, such as a 37-ft. turning circle and 9.1-inch ground clearance, which contribute to maximum breakover angle of 25 degrees (with 33-inch tires). Serious off-road performance is also aided by the maximum approach angle of 40 degrees and maximum departure angle of 37 degrees. These approach and departure angles permit the H3 to drive right into a hole and back out again, without getting hung up in front or rear.<p>Among its off-road capabilities, the H3 can ford 16 inches of water at 20 mph or 24-inch streams at a 5-mph pace, climb 16-inch vertical steps and rocks, make its way through deep sand and race over sandy surfaces.<p><b>Control</b><p>H3 provides a surprisingly smooth, comfortable ride, along with the responsive handling and braking control that customers want for daily driving. Key chassis features that contribute to this combination of smoothness and control, both on- and off-road, include:<p><br> A fully welded ladder-type frame, with a modular, three-piece design that incorporates fully boxed components for outstanding strength and stiffness.<br> An independent front SLA torsion bar suspension and "Hotchkiss" design multi-leaf, semi-elliptic, single-stage leaf spring rear suspension. The standard suspension provides excellent on-highway comfort and outstanding off-road capability, while the optional Off-Road Adventure package delivers more extreme off-road capability.<br> Underbody protection that includes four standard protective shields, including the front skid plate; an oil pan skid plate that also protects the front axle; and a transfer case shield and a fuel tank shield. Additional protection is also available from optional chassis-bolted rocker panel protectors.<br> A highly sophisticated standard power rack-and-pinion steering system, with a three-bushing design and a 17:1 ratio that contributes to a very maneuverable 37-foot curb-to-curb turning circle.<br> Electro-hydraulic four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Dynamic Rear Proportioning, for quick, controlled stops.<br> Standard single-wheel, full-function traction control that uses a combination of engine intervention and brake management to allow as many as three wheels on a slippery surface and still provide impressive traction capability. It also interacts with the transfer case to provide additional off-road operating modes.<br> StabiliTrak vehicle stability enhancement system, which enhances safety, stability and control on all roads. <br><p><b>Iconic Style</b><p>HUMMER design is iconic. H3's daring looks make it readily identifiable as a HUMMER. It's a matter of form following function. Features like its wide track width, short overhangs and huge tires provide stability, outstanding ground clearance and quick rock-climbing capability in off-road driving.<p>The H3's flat, chiseled surfaces; upright windshield and windows; signature seven-slot louvered grille; round headlamps housed inside square openings; and pronounced fender flares are all pure HUMMER. Power and strength emanate from its cube-like metal billet form.<p>Large tires are a staple of HUMMER style, clearly signaling the trucks' capability. H3's 32- and 33-inch tires carry that family trait strongly. Six-lug 16-by-7.5-inch aluminum wheels are standard, with chrome wheels available. <p><br>The large rear swing gate encompasses fixed glass, standard rear wiper, defogger and full-size spare tire. The swing gate-mounted spare, a HUMMER first, enhances interior cargo room.<p>Among other exterior design highlights are a highly protective aluminum front skid plate; hefty, stamped-steel front and rear bumper bars; a composite front fascia, with "HUMMER" molded into the driver's side; standard front tow hooks; and a welded-on rear bumper recovery hook.

Naga Royal Guard
11-05-2004, 09:20 PM
<b>Comfortable, convenient</b><p>The H3's interior is inviting and modern, blending premium cues with world-class craftsmanship. Upscale touches include a perforated, leather-wrapped and stitched steering wheel and automatic transmission shift handle; bright-accented instrumentation; brushed, machine-finished trim plates; chrome door release handles; chrome bezel for the automatic transmission shifter; and a chrome H3 emblem in the center of the steering wheel. <p>Sporty front bucket seats and 60/40 split rear seats, with foam inserts and soft bolsters, provide both comfort and good off-road operating support. They are available in standard cloth and optional leather. <p>The instrument panel is positioned to ensure an optimal view of the road, with easy-to-read liquid crystal displays and a driver information center in the center of the cluster. A center stack includes four levels of controls arranged horizontally for easy use.<p>Four audio systems are available, all compatible with GM's OnStar system and optional XM Satellite Radio. They include an optional touch-screen DVD-based Navigation Radio, with a 6.5-inch screen, separate DVD and CD slots, Radio Data System capability and navigation map database. <p>A large, 36.1-by-24.6-inch power sunroof is available and includes easy-to-operate "express" opening and closing functions, with anti-pinch safety protection.<p>Some additional standard electronic features include power windows and door locks with lockout protection; electric rear window defogger; outside power-adjustable manually folding rearview mirrors; self-dimming "electrochromic" inside rearview mirror with compass and outside temperature indicator; and three 12-volt, covered auxiliary power outlets (two in front, one in the cargo area). <p><b>Safety and security</b><p>HUMMER owners value the inherent strength and feeling of security their trucks exude. The H3 fulfills that promise with available features such as Stabilitrak vehicle stability control, roof rail-mounted side curtain air bags, rollover protection system, tire pressure monitoring and stout vehicle structure projected to earn five-star safety ratings for both the driver and passenger in front and side impacts. <p>The H3 incorporates structural enhancements designed to help in crash protection as well as a number of advanced safety systems to assist in both crash avoidance and protection.<p>A reinforced passenger compartment safety cage helps provide protection against side and front impacts. The strong, rigid steel structure surrounds the passenger compartment, runs from the A-pillars to the roof rail, back to the D-pillars and includes the bottom rocker panels, under-floor longitudinals and frame. The all-steel body panels and exceptionally strong frame further protect occupants in a collision. The fully welded, ladder-type frame optimizes crash performance, in addition to standing up to rigorous off-road requirements.<p>Additional crash protection is provided by a standard frontal dual-stage air bag system. The H3 has GM's Passenger Sensing System, which uses weight-sensing technology to turn the front passenger air bag on or off as appropriate. If the sensor system detects an unoccupied front passenger seat or the presence of a smaller occupant, the front passenger air bag is designed to automatically turn off so it would not deploy in the event of a frontal collision. Even with this system, GM strongly recommends to restrain child passengers in an appropriate child seat placed in the second or third row of the vehicle.<p>Optional roof-rail-mounted, side curtain air bags drop all the way down to the belt line to help provide head and rollover protection for the driver and front passenger. A rollover protection sensing system also helps protect occupants against impending rollovers by triggering side curtain air bags to increase the likelihood of occupant containment in a rollover event, and seat belt pre-tensioners to reduce the likelihood of occupant contact with the inside of the vehicle.<p>H3 will feature the new sixth-generation OnStar hardware with digital and analog coverage. OnStar's Gen 6 hardware includes upgraded hands-free voice recognition capabilities including more intuitive continuous digit dialing and improved voice recognition accuracy. OnStar features core safety services and Personal Calling that allows drivers to make and receive hands-free, voice-activated phone calls.<p>Some of the other standard safety and security features on the H3 include daytime running lamps, a PASSLock II anti-theft vehicle security system, remote keyless entry, battery rundown protection and an electronic tire pressure monitoring system. <p>GM Press

jro4566
12-20-2004, 07:51 PM
I really like it, but I doubt it will storm the U.S. like the H2 did, especially since all the hype has died down.

SV
12-21-2004, 09:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jro4566</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really like it, but I doubt it will storm the U.S. like the H2 did, especially since all the hype has died down.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it's probably a better car though, the interior is vastly improved over the H2

bolita
12-21-2004, 01:04 PM
Much samller, less gas guzzler with same image. I am sure that the H3 will be a huge sales hit. Aditionally it can permit Hummer to begin to attack other markets outside the US

Hornbag
12-22-2004, 06:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>Comfortable, convenient</b><p>Upscale touches include a chrome H3 emblem in the center of the steering wheel. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>WOW, thats luxury isnt it! Geez, i think Hummer have left BMW, M-B and Audi in the dust by that one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> ! These people really need to come up with something creative <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> , a chrome emblem, luxury, pffffft.

knicks125
12-22-2004, 07:01 PM
Nicely done...inside and out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Will NAV be offered as an option? I am not seeing it in the pic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

2fastdre
12-23-2004, 10:30 AM
I like the H3 for the most part: looks, design, off-road capable; but I will NOT buy it until it gets more power. The I-5 is a good engine, but the H3 is still heavy and 220hp is really not adequate for high elevation driving or towing. Actually, a medium sized diesel will be best. I will have to wait a couple of years and see what happens.<p>2FastDre.

whipster
12-23-2004, 02:43 PM
that's just what need people who love Hummer but it is too big / too expensive for them

Hornbag
12-30-2004, 04:22 PM
How much does it weigh???

4x4ing
12-30-2004, 07:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WOW, thats luxury isnt it! Geez, i think Hummer have left BMW, M-B and Audi in the dust by that one ! These people really need to come up with something creative , a chrome emblem, luxury, pffffft.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hummer isn't a luxury brand though and I would argue Hummer isn't a premium brand either. $50K for the H2 is a rip. I think GM is selling these based on the reputation of the military Humvee, but as a premium product - NO WAY! The fact that people are comparing Hummer to BMW, Audi luxury is rediculous! <p>Price does not make a premium product. The Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer Edition is $55K US and for someone to say it is a better product than a BMW 545i or new Audi A6 is crazy.<p>And to all you folks who think Hummer is some kind of extreme off-roader think again. Don't believe me just check the specs - Towing capacity, brakeover angles, wading capability, side angles, ground clearance and all that stuff and compare it to others. I think most people would be suprised that Hummer vehicles don't have any advantage over the competition. The military Humvee is very capabe though. If you are buying the Hummer H2 and H3 because you like the look than I won't argue with you, it definitely has a kind of cool aggressive americana about it but if you are buying it as a work tool for on and off-roading then you might want to look elsewhere. And if you are looking for luxury than definitely don't bother with Hummer. <p>The H3 interior is nicer than the H2's but that isn't saying much. Looks alot like the new Toyota Tacoma interior but I like to Tacoma's interior better.<p>2005 TOYOTA TACOMA INTERIOR<p><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Toyota/100482283/032839-E.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>

JBlair
12-30-2004, 09:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>4x4ing</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>And to all you folks who think Hummer is some kind of extreme off-roader think again. Don't believe me just check the specs - Towing capacity, brakeover angles, wading capability, side angles, ground clearance and all that stuff and compare it to others. I think most people would be suprised that Hummer vehicles don't have any advantage over the competition. The military Humvee is very capabe though. If you are buying the Hummer H2 and H3 because you like the look than I won't argue with you, it definitely has a kind of cool aggressive americana about it but if you are buying it as a work tool for on and off-roading then you might want to look elsewhere. And if you are looking for luxury than definitely don't bother with Hummer. <p> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The look is part of it, but both the H2 and H3 are extremely capable off-road (more capable than others in its' class). Their offroad ability doesn't match that of the H1, but thats because the H1 was developed from the beginning as a hardcore vehicle.

4x4ing
12-31-2004, 01:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The look is part of it, but both the H2 and H3 are extremely capable off-road (more capable than others in its' class). Their offroad ability doesn't match that of the H1, but thats because the H1 was developed from the beginning as a hardcore vehicle. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nah, I would rather have a V6 VW Taoureg with optional air-suspension or possibly the new V8 Jeep Grand Cherokee instead of the H3. Both tow more and have more ground clearance and more power - all that important stuff and better the H3 off-road I would say. H3 will probably start around $35K the same as the vehicles I just mentioned.<p>The bigger H2 would compete against other off-road worthy vehicles such as Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX - and GX, V8 VW Taoureg with full air-suspension and 3 locking diffs, Porsche Cayenne with the off-road package and the new Land Rover Discovery/LR3 (LR3 is one awesome vehicle). All these tow more than the H2 and have excellent ground clearance, more advanced traction systems/electronically controlled air-suspension all around, locking diffs and are all extreme off-roaders that better the H2 in my opinion and are all bargains pricewise with lots of luxury to boot, if you like that sort of thing in your off-roader.<p>Head of GM product, Bob Lutz even came out and blasted VW for building so much capability in the Taoureg. I believe he said something like "Why do VW buyers need all that capability in the Taoureg when most VW buyers could care less". Shame on you Bob Lutz. Don't get mad at VW for building an awesome product. <p>So like I said earlier, just what you are attracted to visually I guess but there are other fantastic options in this class. I still think H2 is way overpriced for what it offers. This is a Hummer thread though so I am going to stop my ranting and let everyone enjoy the H3 discussion. BTW there is still alot to like in the H3 besides off-road capability. <p>

Hornbag
12-31-2004, 06:56 PM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>4x4ing</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hummer isn't a luxury brand though and I would argue Hummer isn't a premium brand either. $50K for the H2 is a rip. I think GM is selling these based on the reputation of the military Humvee, but as a premium product - NO WAY! The fact that people are comparing Hummer to BMW, Audi luxury is rediculous! <p></TD></TR></TABLE>And thats exactly what i ment, Hummer isnt a luxury brand. But the marketing crew said, "Upscale touches include a perforated, leather-wrapped and stitched steering wheel and automatic transmission shift handle; bright-accented instrumentation; brushed, machine-finished trim plates; chrome door release handles; chrome bezel for the automatic transmission shifter; and a chrome H3 emblem in the center of the steering wheel." Making the car sound luxury, but it isnt, so thats why i said 'WOW, thats luxury isnt it". U get it now? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

4x4ing
01-01-2005, 02:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Making the car sound luxury, but it isnt, so thats why i said 'WOW, thats luxury isnt it". U get it now? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hee Hee, yes gez. I was only reiterating what you said. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Redline
01-01-2005, 08:35 AM
Why do we need more of these though? This Hummer is just the ultimate answer to the question that nobody asked. It will still be a big hit with rich teens who are getting tired of their bimmers and want a Hummer.

ajprice
01-02-2005, 10:44 AM
Is this a production version of the H3T concept car? Its hard for me to tell, all Hummers look pretty much the same to me, it might be completely different, I couldn't tell.

hwrd_roark
01-02-2005, 01:10 PM
Perfect car for the man with feelings of inadequacy about his manhood but can't afford an H2....<p>... or for someone in the make-it-til-you-fake-it crowd you could throw some 22" chromed-out wheels on it and be a baller on a budget.<br>

Alx1rl
01-02-2005, 01:57 PM
mothing really special, and really looks just like the H2, no massive differences.

Hornbag
01-02-2005, 07:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>4x4ing</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hee Hee, yes gez. I was only reiterating what you said. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry, sumtimes i misunderstand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> (thats why i use smilies <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ). Ur Kool <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hwrd_roark</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Perfect car for the man with feelings of inadequacy about his manhood but can't afford an H2....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is that why they build them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> , well that explains it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> ! Or is there antoher porpouse for them? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

kevinb120
01-02-2005, 08:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>4x4ing</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Price does not make a premium product. The Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer Edition is $55K US and for someone to say it is a better product than a BMW 545i or new Audi A6 is crazy.<p>And to all you folks who think Hummer is some kind of extreme off-roader think again. Don't believe me just check the specs - Towing capacity, brakeover angles, wading capability, side angles, ground clearance and all that stuff and compare it to others. I think most people would be suprised that Hummer vehicles don't have any advantage over the competition. The military Humvee is very capabe though. If you are buying the Hummer H2 and H3 because you like the look than I won't argue with you, it definitely has a kind of cool aggressive americana about it but if you are buying it as a work tool for on and off-roading then you might want to look elsewhere. And if you are looking for luxury than definitely don't bother with Hummer. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>People tend to forget that the H2 is nothing but a tahoe with too little engine for its extra bulk. Interior is a horrible design. The suspension componets are rediculously undersized. A few extra 4WD doo dads or bolting a brush guard onto a plastic front end do not make the truck. A diesel Excursion with a suspension lift is a capeable full-size off road vehicle, not the H2. At least the H3's fake tire inflation system moulded into the hubcap looks better then the H2's. Not to mention the H3 is still stuck with the silly I5. GM REALLY needs to invent new platforms, not bring them in from other world GM markets and simply rebody them. The new Cherokee owns the H3 without a sweat. Using the Hummer nameplate for these gm rebodies is one of the best marketing shams they've pulled off in years. People actually believe they are 'new' vehicles.

Tarpon
01-24-2005, 09:14 AM
Does anyoneone have any pics of the Interior of the "Luxury" model? All I've been seeing is interior shots w/ cloth seats and manual transmission. I need to figure out wether to wait for the H3 or just buy a Z71 Tahoe now. Any suggestions?

Nick
01-24-2005, 11:20 AM
Personally I would go with the Z71...good for offroading, powerful, roomy, comfortable to drive in, but I guess it depends on what you want...keep in mind, the H3 is smaller than a tahoe, but I think I like the H3's interior better at the moment...atleast until the full sizers get restyled..but personally I would still go with the Z71...

spwolf
01-24-2005, 12:23 PM
Someone needs to tell GM that 80's are over, and tacky light gray plastic looks like shat. I dont get it - everyone complains about their interior look&feel, is it really so hard to make it a bit blacker

Tarpon
01-24-2005, 07:46 PM
I saw the H3 with leather interior and auto on Hummer.com . Maybe the seats are just big, but the interior looks really small.

KaRaceR
01-25-2005, 09:41 AM
looks nice,<br>but i dont think it will have the smae impact that the H2 had

Superfresa
01-25-2005, 05:49 PM
what a crapload of trash...<p>A big monstrous body too long to be maneouverable, monted on a chasis too low to be anything but clumsy, over the suspension of an obsolete pickup truck, claiming offroad abilities they lost long ago, when the H2 came out. <p>And the design! that huge plastic nose, that horrid rear end, those ridiculous decorations all over. Just a showoff dungbox.

SV
01-25-2005, 06:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what a crapload of trash...<p>A big monstrous body too long to be maneouverable, monted on a chasis too low to be anything but clumsy, over the suspension of an obsolete pickup truck, claiming offroad abilities they lost long ago, when the H2 came out. <p>And the design! that huge plastic nose, that horrid rear end, those ridiculous decorations all over. Just a showoff dungbox.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>how is the platform obsolete? it was engineered, what, 2 years ago? also, the H2 isn't lacking in off-road abilities, while it can't match a defender or H1 it's one of the most capable off-road in its class.

Superfresa
01-25-2005, 06:58 PM
It's obsolete in that: <p>- It's mounted on leaf springs<br>- Its chasis is made out of tin, being a Chevy pickup chasis (it's ok for a pickup but not for an... ahem <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> offroader...)<br>- it's wheelbase is way too long making it clumsy when trying to overcome obstacles.<br>- It doesn't even have permanent 4X4 (good throwback into the sixties)<br>- it's got a highway cruising gearbox, very smart for an "offroader"<br>- I wouldn't be surprised if it had drums in the back (don't quote me on this)<p>Also yes, the H2 can maybe outperform many Suvs out there... like a suburban, an excursion, an explorer and all those ****ty (for offroad) things.

bolita
01-26-2005, 11:26 AM
Just an observation. One of the most recognized off roaders produced today is the Land Cruiser series 80 (i Think..the square one in any case) This baby comes with drums in the rear (I believe some versions continue to have drums IN THE FRONT), leaf springs from and rear and on and on.<p>However it is considered one of the most durable off roaders taking away the place historically the LR Defender had.<p>In any case, the H2 & H3 are destined mainly to the US market. The off road excursions these units will be subjected to are mainly off road ventures of "aficionados" and not the usual off roading in 3rd world countries. So, in closing, I guess that the greatest trait that consumers will seek is image, fuel consuption and style. The technology underneath will not be an issue.<p>Thats my opinion! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Tarpon
01-26-2005, 01:00 PM
Everyone that I know that does more than light off roading, has modified trucks and SUVs. IMO, This thing will definately sell well in the US. Very few people are going to take a $35-40K suv through the rough stuff.

iamalittlepepper
01-26-2005, 01:16 PM
Pickup chassis is not a bad thing if it has been properly engineered.<br>Spring leafs is heavier but it lasts longer if you really mud plugging. You also need less components.. (ie less links etc)<p>Drum brakes might be old but it is encased in metal drums.. which makes it less subsceptible to damage by much than calipers vs discs.. <p>I personally don't like any chevy products but if your points (except for the bed) are non sequitor if GM did its engineering properly.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's obsolete in that: <p>- It's mounted on leaf springs<br>- Its chasis is made out of tin, being a Chevy pickup chasis (it's ok for a pickup but not for an... ahem <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> offroader...)<br>- it's wheelbase is way too long making it clumsy when trying to overcome obstacles.<br>- It doesn't even have permanent 4X4 (good throwback into the sixties)<br>- it's got a highway cruising gearbox, very smart for an "offroader"<br>- I wouldn't be surprised if it had drums in the back (don't quote me on this)<p>Also yes, the H2 can maybe outperform many Suvs out there... like a suburban, an excursion, an explorer and all those ****ty (for offroad) things.</TD></TR></TABLE>

X, Infiniti G35x
01-26-2005, 06:45 PM
It looks very similar to a H2. Whats so special about it?

Santeno
01-27-2005, 01:01 PM
Superfresa we all know that you are a land rover fan, but it's no need to trash on this truck. while it isn't my cup of tea, it's not a bad vehicle. Does it have a tranny that allows it to cruise highways, of course, it's a necessity in this country. even your precious LR's have them. Is it made out of tin? To the best of my knowledge it's made out of steel. No permanent 4x4. Last I checked the bulk of real modern off-roaders where able to disengage their 4wd system while on road. It's actually a smart thing to do, for it saves money on gas.<p>Sure the disco probabaly has a greater range of capabilities, but how ever biased you might be against this brand, it's still a fairly capable SUV.

DoMiNo
04-21-2005, 08:28 PM
I went downtown (L.A.) today and was walking down the street, when I looked down an alley and they were filming TV commercial for the H3. They had a water truck spraying the street so they could shoot a black H3 driving in the wet. I got up close and the guys were pretty cool about letting me check out the car, wish I had my camera. It looked pretty good actually, and proportionally I thought that out in the real world it looked nicer than it did when I saw it at the auto show. <p>I'm interested to see how this thing does with consumers... I myself like the car, just wish it was a little more powerful :(

erzhik
04-21-2005, 09:16 PM
when was it launched? because I was driving to Detroit Auto Show, I saw one on the highway with a MANUFACTURER plates..what does that mean? does it mean that it was on test? or what? I have a pic, but on a diff hard disk, I will post it later

Tarpon
04-22-2005, 03:17 PM
H3 Pricing is out.<p><A HREF="http://elcova.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/2706067735/m/2521061911" TARGET="_blank">http://elcova.com/eve/ubb.x/a/...61911</A>/<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tarpon at 3:28 PM 4/22/2005</i>

Tarpon
04-22-2005, 03:30 PM
<p>They are supposed to be released some time around June 1st.

Nick
04-22-2005, 09:58 PM
I am really quite pissed about this...the base price is like 29 and change...while this may be a great truck and everything, the I5 just blows it for me...I hate that 5 banger with a passion and I find paying 30 grand for a truck this size with the pathetic I5 is rediculous...the least they could have done was thrown the 4.2 I6 in there or the 5.3 with dod or something...the I5 is worthless...that just blows the whole truck for me...

LEXUS FAN!
04-23-2005, 10:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tarpon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They are supposed to be released some time around June 1st.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>where did you hear that?

nismo
04-23-2005, 11:10 AM
the pricing is not bad at all.. This definately is the only Hummer I would buy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
04-23-2005, 12:21 PM
woosh had forgotten about this topic...<p><br>Sorry to bring a somewhat old discussion back but I had forgotten this thread. Still as long as I'm on topic as I will be as this discussion is about the H3...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just an observation. One of the most recognized off roaders produced today is the Land Cruiser series 80 (i Think..the square one in any case) This baby comes with drums in the rear (I believe some versions continue to have drums IN THE FRONT), leaf springs from and rear and on and on. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah Land Cruiser 75s have drums in the back, then again they aren't thae maximum expression of modernism either. However it's not as bad because its a lot lighter than a Hummer, and more than that, It hasn't got an engine that can drive the car at over 200kph as the Hummer probably does, nor does it have half the horsepower (well exageration). Think about it, would you really want to have a 2 tonne+ car at over 200kph with muddy/wet w/e <B>DRUM</B> brakes?<p>Oh BTW there are no longer cars with Front Drums, even ARO and Uaz have gone into front discs.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Superfresa we all know that you are a land rover fan, but it's no need to trash on this truck. while it isn't my cup of tea, it's not a bad vehicle. Does it have a tranny that allows it to cruise highways, of course, it's a necessity in this country. even your precious LR's have them. </TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Fine, I know It's a necesity, but in that case nobody can really say it's an extreme SUV. More like a capable-ish SUV, unlike what Hummer tries to make one believe it is. But Toyota and Land Rover gearing aren't as bad as Hummers - and its something Jeep has improved lately too. It must be an american thing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Is it made out of tin? To the best of my knowledge it's made out of steel. </TD></TR></TABLE> I thought I made my point, by saying that its made of tin, I meant Its not a heavy duty chasis, not that It's literally made of tin. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>No permanent 4x4. Last I checked the bulk of real modern off-roaders where able to disengage their 4wd system while on road. It's actually a smart thing to do, for it saves money on gas.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here's where I really disagree. There's no evidence - technical, mechanical or w/e - absolutely no evidence to show that permanent 4X4 uses more fuel. remember this is not just like engaging 4X4 on a normal car and leaving it on. It's a system designed ground up to work always on 4X4 mode without taking away benefits of part time (other than maybe price to build).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iamalittlepepper</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Spring leafs is heavier but it lasts longer if you really mud plugging. You also need less components.. (ie less links etc)<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh, not necesarily. Look at the Unimog, the Defender, The Hummer H1 (the only true Hummer) and recently the Wrangler. Some of the most serious ones out there. All mounted on Coils.

Flagship
04-24-2005, 03:53 PM
Hmmmmmmmm Cloth seats standard <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Hopefully GM will over produce these GANSTAR mobiles and will be forced to sell them at low prices just like the La Cross and the C6.<p>Real life pics...<br><A HREF="http://img23.echo.cx/img23/1682/img02665xr.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img23.echo.cx/img23/1682/img02665xr.jpg</A> - Interior j/k <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><A HREF="http://img23.echo.cx/img23/872/img03243ry.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img23.echo.cx/img23/872/img03243ry.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img23.echo.cx/img23/8456/img03257su.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img23.echo.cx/img23/8456/img03257su.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img23.echo.cx/img23/5609/img03263wh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img23.echo.cx/img23/5609/img03263wh.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img23.echo.cx/img23/604/img03276kd.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img23.echo.cx/img23/604/img03276kd.jpg</A>

bolita
04-25-2005, 08:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">woosh had forgotten about this topic...<p><br>Here's where I really disagree. There's no evidence - technical, mechanical or w/e - absolutely no evidence to show that permanent 4X4 uses more fuel. remember this is not just like engaging 4X4 on a normal car and leaving it on. It's a system designed ground up to work always on 4X4 mode without taking away benefits of part time (other than maybe price to build).<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry IMO your wrong with this, according to documentation that I read from Subaru, going to AWD increased fuel consumption by approximately 2 to 3% versus FWD with their cars...<p>So even though its not much, there is a penalty of dragging extra drivetrain weight.<p>

Santeno
04-25-2005, 09:02 AM
You misunderstood Bolita, he wasd referring to vehicles equiped with different types of 4wd. his argument is that on a permanent 4x4 system (which are off-roading systems such as range rovers use - not the AWD systemes used by subaru's) fuel consumption is no different than on a traditionaly equiped 4x4 in which the system can be disengaged. It seems logical that even though you are still dragging additional weight around, the fact that you are able to disengage the front wheels from the drive train (and thus reduce the load on the engine) would result in better fuel economy.

knicks125
04-25-2005, 09:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the pricing is not bad at all.. This definately is the only Hummer I would buy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree...based on the price, it's quite affordable; although with the rising gas price, I just can't see this as being a big seller other than surpassing the volume of the previous versions.

erzhik
04-25-2005, 12:23 PM
Can somebody please tell me when it was launched? because I saw 2 of them in january-february...

knicks125
04-25-2005, 12:36 PM
it was unveiled back in the LA autoshow (or was it anahiem) but it has not hit the dealers yet (well not all dealers yet). Expect this to be on sale soon but not yet...

Superfresa
04-25-2005, 02:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You misunderstood Bolita, he wasd referring to vehicles equiped with different types of 4wd. his argument is that on a permanent 4x4 system (which are off-roading systems such as range rovers use - not the AWD systemes used by subaru's) fuel consumption is no different than on a traditionaly equiped 4x4 in which the system can be disengaged. It seems logical that even though you are still dragging additional weight around, the fact that you are able to disengage the front wheels from the drive train (and thus reduce the load on the engine) would result in better fuel economy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for explaining to Bolita.<p>About the extra "load" on the engine, this doesn't occur, because the front wheels will be dragging along anyway with RWD only, which means the rear wheels would have to push with slightly more effort to the ground in order to push the front axle along if you see what I mean. So It doesn't really make a difference in that way because the permanent 4X4 just takes that additional effort off the rear wheels and uses it moving the front ones as well. I hope you understand what I mean...<p>So no additional fuel consumption for permanent 4X4 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>IMO Hummer just ought to be consistent with their H1 image and make their whole range as capable compared to other cars as the H1 is. But its not doing it, with the H2 and H3 it's only been concerned in making uncapable ugly cars that wont take any more offroad than - say - a Nissan, a Mitsubishi, an Izusu, etc... It doesn't do much for Hummer image, unless you're just buying for showoff, because you want to feel strong and imponent.

nismo
04-25-2005, 04:39 PM
I saw this for the first time in October last year at the Miami autoshow but it debuted at some Autoshow like a month before that... <p>Have they released gas mileage yet?

erzhik
04-25-2005, 05:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it was unveiled back in the LA autoshow (or was it anahiem) but it has not hit the dealers yet (well not all dealers yet). Expect this to be on sale soon but not yet...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh..then I think I saw 2 that were still testing.. I saw one on the highway on my way to Detroit Auto Show and one in my small town..<p>It looks really bad..Very strange body.

ndjan
04-25-2005, 09:53 PM
Saw a yellow one parked in Detroit. The black blank portion above the taillights look plain.<br>But my friends and I decided it looks very similar to a Xterra in terms of target market, yet it is underpowered compared to the Nissan, and similarly equipped, it costs a lot more.

Nick
04-26-2005, 12:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree...based on the price, it's quite affordable; although with the rising gas price, I just can't see this as being a big seller other than surpassing the volume of the previous versions.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>while the I5 may be a crappy engine I think it gets descent gas mileage does it not?

knicks125
04-26-2005, 05:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>while the I5 may be a crappy engine I think it gets descent gas mileage does it not?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't know, I haven't seen the figures on the gas mileage yet. But, given the weight, it won't be too gas friendly I don't think. However, I do think this verison will offer the best in gas mileage <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Tarpon
04-26-2005, 06:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>where did you hear that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My Dealer. I talked to her a few days ago. I was 3rd on the waiting list and she said it would be in either the last week in May or the first week in June.

Tarpon
04-26-2005, 06:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't know, I haven't seen the figures on the gas mileage yet. But, given the weight, it won't be too gas friendly I don't think. However, I do think this verison will offer the best in gas mileage <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's supposed to get around 20 mpg.

knicks125
04-26-2005, 07:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tarpon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It's supposed to get around 20 mpg.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hwy or city?

Dodger
04-26-2005, 08:52 AM
My grandpa has an extended cab Colorado with the I5 and it gets fairly decent mileage. I don't have the exact hwy/city figures but it is probably around 20 hwy. <br> <br> A while back C&D did a test of the crew cab Canyon with the I5 and their average mileage was 14 mpg. That seems very low and I doubt their figures.<p> The I5 is a fairly good engine. It gets my grandpa's Colorado up to speed faster than you'd think. I do realize that the H3 will be much heavier than a Colorado though. The one thing I don't like about the I5 is it has a very unpleasnt sound when accelerating. It's hard to explain.<p><br>

DoMiNo
04-26-2005, 11:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br> A while back C&D did a test of the crew cab Canyon with the I5 and their average mileage was 14 mpg. That seems very low and I doubt their figures.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Woah! Yeah, I certainly figured it would be better than that! What were they towing a friggin' tractor or something?

Dodger
04-26-2005, 12:18 PM
I don't think their acceleration tecniques are those of the average person if you know what I mean. It also probably got less mpg because it had to haul their fat butts around.

Tarpon
04-28-2005, 12:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>hwy or city?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think highway.