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Naga Royal Guard
11-01-2004, 01:53 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2004_paris/hyundai_sonata/images/1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2004_paris/hyundai_sonata/images/IMG_0786.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2004_paris/hyundai_sonata/images/IMG_0787.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2004_paris/hyundai_sonata/images/IMG_0788.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2004_paris/hyundai_sonata/images/IMG_0790.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: autoweek<p>Taken from Chickpig's post on CSS:PB

knicks125
12-20-2004, 06:31 PM
To recap (from old site):<p>The new Sonata will make its US debut at the NAIAS. Production will start at the new plant in AL on or around April 2004, and dealers will take delivery thereafter.<p>Engines: 2.4 I4 - 164 hp or 3.3 V6 - 230 hp <I>Subject to change</I><p>More Pics - Interior (thanks to jrock65, post from the old CSS)<p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=141" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=142" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=143" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=144" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=145" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?s=b9f00bb6f853af1d8ebf0a6ebf237153&act=Attach&type=post&id=146" BORDER="0"><p>Archived discussions can be found here - <A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=new&action=display&num=1093518772" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....18772</A>

SV
12-20-2004, 06:39 PM
wow i haven't seen those interior pictures...nice. this new sonata is going to be a real threat to the established leaders in this class <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-20-2004, 07:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow i haven't seen those interior pictures...nice. this new sonata is going to be a real threat to the established leaders in this class <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Didn't see it at first either until I clicked on the link - there are more pics than what's already posted here. I agree, Hyundai has defn. came a long way and made many improvements, especially to this Sonata. The new Sonata will attract a lot of interested buyers and competition will be ever more fierce between the Sonata, the Camry and the Accord <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-22-2004, 08:24 AM
Updated Dec.22,2004 17:17 KST<p>Hyundai NF Sonata Aces Gov't Crash Tests<p>In crash safety tests conducted by the Ministry of Construction and Transportation, the NF Sonata was given five-star ratings -- the highest possible -- in frontal and side impact crash tests, Hyundai Motor Co. said Wednesday.<p>At the request of the Ministry of Construction and Transportation, the Korea Transportation Safety Authority's Car Performance Testing Institute carried out the tests on the Sonata, GM Daewoo Magnus and Kia Optima Regal, Cerato and X-Trek. <p>With the exception of the X-Trek, the other four vehicles received five stars for driver's seat safety in the frontal impact test. For passenger seat safety, the NF Sonata and Magnus received five stars, while the Optima Regal and Cerato received four. In the side impact test, the Sonata received five stars for driver's seat safety, while the Cerato received four and the Magnus, X-Trek and others received three. <p>In the breaking performance test, the Sonata again received the highest evaluation. With an anti-lock breaking system installed, the Sonata went from 100km per hour to a sudden stop in 44.9 meters on a dry surface, and 48.3 meters on a wet one. <p>(Kim Jong-ho tellme@chosun.com)

megadethmartyr
12-23-2004, 01:50 PM
Good news upon good news.

RetroJapan
12-23-2004, 02:00 PM
Looking really nice! Very impressive...<p>...and Hyundai finally designed a nice looking steering wheel! lol

knicks125
12-23-2004, 03:35 PM
Any latest word on prices?

megadethmartyr
12-24-2004, 08:56 AM
I believe the tenative prices are 19K-24K. BTW, I just noticed it has the same remote entry fob as the Tucson. I like that.

Top Secret
12-24-2004, 06:43 PM
I'm suprised. I went to Korea in August/September and suprise suprise, these cars were already released and where so for about 2 or so months! And this came as a real shock to me as it was released before being shown at the Paris Auto Show this year. A world debut when its already been out for a while in Korea? Doesn't really make sense.

knicks125
12-24-2004, 10:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm suprised. I went to Korea in August/September and suprise suprise, these cars were already released and where so for about 2 or so months! And this came as a real shock to me as it was released before being shown at the Paris Auto Show this year. A world debut when its already been out for a while in Korea? Doesn't really make sense.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Sonata came out in S. Korea around late Aug., around the same time you were there. I wasn't aware it was two months before that.<p>With the release of the new Sonata in its "home" market (first) was a great idea. Of course there could be other reasons, but I think they wanted to get it tested out and make sure everything was exactly right before the world saw it. Kinda like us (people), we dress up in private (home, most of the time) before going out in the public <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-24-2004, 10:42 PM
Just got these links (pics) from a friend, are these new or old? If they are in fact new pics, then good news, the Sonata's in the US <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/elantra_6.jpg</A><p>The driver looks pissed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

TheJoyof6
12-26-2004, 10:00 PM
I havent seen these pics yet and im getting impatient waiting for them to arrive here.<p>Before anyone else says it i will, yes the fog light is blown out. This car probably has more miles on it that 5 members cars.

megadethmartyr
12-27-2004, 12:38 PM
The waiting sucks. I can't wait to drive the final product and test out the Active Geometry Suspension.

knicks125
12-27-2004, 07:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The waiting sucks. I can't wait to drive the final product and test out the Active Geometry Suspension.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep it does...HMA has just annouced its mid-year 2005 pricing, but nothing yet on the Sonata <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12690" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12690</A><p>Mega, you'll probably get to drive the car before all of us, so keep us posted...get some pics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
12-28-2004, 03:10 AM
I found something about the prices....<p>Thanks to the six-month extension on excise tax cuts, buyers of Hyundai Motor’s NF Sonata priced at 26 million won ($24,700) are able to continue to save about 250,000 won as their tax burden decreases to 2.8 million won from 3.05 million won.<p><br>source:<br> <A HREF="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200412/kt2004122815454410160.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://times.hankooki.com/lpag...0.htm</A>

knicks125
12-28-2004, 07:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I found something about the prices....<p>Thanks to the six-month extension on excise tax cuts, buyers of Hyundai Motors NF Sonata priced at 26 million won ($24,700) are able to continue to save about 250,000 won as their tax burden decreases to 2.8 million won from 3.05 million won.<p><br>source:<br> <A HREF="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200412/kt2004122815454410160.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://times.hankooki.com/lpag...0.htm</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>That's great news <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But, I was thinking more along the lines of the prices for US, that'd be even better news <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I guess I can wait a few months until Hyundai officially releases the price of the Sonata <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
12-28-2004, 07:36 AM
Yes, I know! I'm waiting for the EU prices :)

megadethmartyr
12-28-2004, 11:22 AM
On the price thing, I am fairly sure I am accurate on the ranges I posted. However, with Hyundai, I wouldn't bet on anything I read from the automotive press on prices just yet.

oren
12-29-2004, 03:12 AM
the price of sonata top model is 24520$ (in korea)<br>including leather seat, ECS, VDC, curtain airbag, EPS, rear warning radar, etc...

knicks125
12-29-2004, 01:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oren</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the price of sonata top model is 24520$ (in korea)<br>including leather seat, ECS, VDC, curtain airbag, EPS, rear warning radar, etc...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks. I'd think the price would be about the same, after conversion of course.<p>In an article I read today (see below), it looks like the plant in Alabama will start production in March, so that means the new Sonata should be at a dealer near you by late March <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Hyundai raises forecast for U.S. factory output</B> <p>December 30, 2004  Hyundai Motor Co., South Korea's largest automaker, raised its forecast for production at a factory in Alabama next year by 61 percent.<p>It increased its production target to 150,000 cars in 2005 from an earlier forecast of 93,000 cars, Jake Jang, a company spokesman said yesterday, confirming comments by Kim Dong-jin, vice chairman of Hyundai Motor. The plant will start operations in March.<p>Hyundai Motor and its affiliate, Kia Motors Corp., the country's second-largest carmaker, are aiming to become the world's fifth-largest carmaking group by 2010, producing 3 million vehicles in South Korea and 2 million units overseas. <p>Hyundai Motor expects it will be producing 300,000 cars annually from 2006 at its plant in Montgomery, Alabama. <p><A HREF="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200412/29/200412292236121639900090509051.html" TARGET="_blank">http://joongangdaily.joins.com....html</A>

knicks125
12-29-2004, 08:40 PM
Update:<p>2006 Hyundai Sonata to be unveiled on Jan. 10, 2005, at NAIAS.<p>Production begins in March at the new US plant.<p>Question: do we have anyone nearby Montgomery, AL? <br>If you will be over there the next three months, please let us know and get some pics. Chances are you will see a lot of Sonata test cars out of the street <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
12-30-2004, 06:29 AM
There should be quite a few out there running around. We'll see a final # on the HP here in a month or so once the emission testing is done. Stupid emmision control. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
01-03-2005, 01:09 PM
This car will do some real damage to the Malibu, Galant and Dodge Stratus. The car is probably equal to or better in quality that those cars and looks better.<p>This is more dangerous than the Accord or Camry for the simple reason that it is so unexpected. The Sonata will suprise us all at the end of next year when we see the sales totals. I hope that the next Saturn sedan is as good as this or better.

Rugbyplaya91
01-03-2005, 01:41 PM
Wonder if navagation will be an option i hope so

knicks125
01-03-2005, 02:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This car will do some real damage to the Malibu, Galant and Dodge Stratus. The car is probably equal to or better in quality that those cars and looks better.<p>This is more dangerous than the Accord or Camry for the simple reason that it is so unexpected. The Sonata will suprise us all at the end of next year when we see the sales totals. I hope that the next Saturn sedan is as good as this or better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, it will defn. cut a big piece of out of the sales from Accord and Camry. And, I have no doubt to believe the new Sonata will outpace just about all US badged cars, especially in large cities near the coast. PS: Not to get your hopes too high, Saturn will not have nearly as much success as Hyundai will on its Sonata, you can bank on that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> (Saturn's current lineup of sedan aren't doing as well as they had expected.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wonder if navagation will be an option i hope so</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep. It will be offered.

RIDDERMARK
01-03-2005, 10:43 PM
I Have been following this discussion since 9/04 and I am 99% certain I am getting this car. I love everything I have seen so far. I would like to go to Detriot's auto show. Does anyone have the dates it is running? Also I was wondering if anyone knows interior/exterior specs.

knicks125
01-04-2005, 06:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RIDDERMARK</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I Have been following this discussion since 9/04 and I am 99% certain I am getting this car. I love everything I have seen so far. I would like to go to Detriot's auto show. Does anyone have the dates it is running? Also I was wondering if anyone knows interior/exterior specs.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good choice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Dates for the show (for public): 1/15 (Sat.)-1/23 (Sun.)<p>Some specs: two new engines will be offered - 2.4L I4 (est. 164hp), 3.3L V6 (est. 230+hp) my guess would be 233hp<p>More advanced features<p>Exterior and Interior are bigger, wider, taller and rommier <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
01-04-2005, 08:09 AM
This car is going to piss off alot of makers. Knowing the price point, it is going to chance alot of thinking on midsize cars. Seems eveyone thinks you have to spend close to 30K to get performance, comfort, and reliability. This is a market buster.

Naga Royal Guard
01-04-2005, 12:25 PM
that may be why they arent mentioning the price, so competition cant throw " money on the hood" just yet

knicks125
01-04-2005, 03:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This car is going to piss off alot of makers. Knowing the price point, it is going to chance alot of thinking on midsize cars. Seems eveyone thinks you have to spend close to 30K to get performance, comfort, and reliability. This is a market buster.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed...<p>It's going to be a great car. PERIOD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

no_o_k
01-05-2005, 01:48 AM
Wow, my GermanCarFan membership works here too, I must have missed something. I like this site a lot.<p>Here is an online brochure of the new Sonata. It looks pretty nice; better than the Camry, but its interior still has rough corners compared to the Japanese.<p>I really wish Hyundai could update its logo; it looks like a melted Honda logo, and this conveys lack of precision and orginality. Nissan and Mazda both updated their logos when they re-entered the market with new significant products and/or design, and Hyundai should do that if they want to convey the same message too. New Hyundai cars are much better than the old ones introduced in the 80's and 90's, and it is better to ditch the connection between the new and old products. I know it is just marketing, but the Hyundai logo is just not very nice looking and it somewhat destroyed a rather nice exterior and interior design.<p> <A HREF="http://ad.hyundai-motor.com/catalog/nfs01/sonata.html" TARGET="_blank">http://ad.hyundai-motor.com/ca....html</A> <p>This is a bit interesting if not off topic. The Hyundai Equus, the Korean Lexus wannabe, has the exact same wheel design as the Aston Martin DB9. <p><IMG SRC="http://equus.hyundai-motor.com/Common/images/showroom/evolution/inno_img05_00.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"><br>

Top Secret
01-05-2005, 02:36 AM
The Equus is actually not a bad piece of kit, I've been in it once and the luxury appointments are second to none. I reckon it eclipses the Lexus and I'll go so far as to say that it's as luxurious as the 7 Series'.

conrad1
01-05-2005, 03:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Some specs: two new engines will be offered - 2.4L I4 (est. 164hp), 3.3L V6 (est. 230+hp) my guess would be 233hp<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>From Hyundai Webzine: (http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/plaza/motor_world/no46/cover_story.html)<p>"Both the new 3.3 litre Lambda and the 2.4 litre Theta engines have been developed to provide maximum power and economy with minimum harshness and exhaust emissions. Built on the world's newest and most highly automated engine manufacturing line at Asan, these two engines feature all-aluminium cylinder blocks, variable valve timing (VVT) and, on the Lambda, a variable intake system. The power output of the 3.3 litre is 229ps at 6200rpm, with an impressive 31.4kg.m torque at 3500rpm. The 2.4 litre serves up 165ps at 5800rpm with 23kg.m torque at 4000rpm. In the case of the 3.3 litre, this is transmitted by a new five-speed H-matic gearbox. The 2.4 litre unit offers a choice of a five-speed manual or a four-speed automatic transmission. The forthcoming 2.0VGT CRDi diesel unit will deliver 135ps at 4000rpm with torque of 29kg.m at 2000rpm, and will be available in Europe with either an all-new six-speed manual or the new five-speed automatic transmission.<p>Note that some of the aforementioned features are not available in all markets."

knicks125
01-05-2005, 07:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>no_o_k</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a bit interesting if not off topic. The Hyundai Equus, the Korean Lexus wannabe, has the exact same wheel design as the Aston Martin DB9. <p><IMG SRC="http://equus.hyundai-motor.com/Common/images/showroom/evolution/inno_img05_00.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"><br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't Equus coming to the US, or is it the Dynasty, or is it both? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Either way, or both, I like Hyundai's plan pushing in its luxury and premier cars. You guys think a luxury division sound like a good idea?

megadethmartyr
01-05-2005, 09:48 AM
The power rating for the U.S. market are not finallized. On the Equus thing, it will be here well before the Dynasty is. Right now Hyundai is having a delima on whether to make the Equus the U.S. market flagship or to use it in their upcoming luxury line (it would 2nd behind a XG based sports sedan). And before it's asked, yes the HCD-7 is very much what the redesigned Equus will look like. And yes, it's a very sweet car.

knicks125
01-07-2005, 07:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>conrad1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>From Hyundai Webzine: (http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/plaza/motor_world/no46/cover_story.html)<p>"Both the new 3.3 litre Lambda and the 2.4 litre Theta engines have been developed to provide maximum power and economy with minimum harshness and exhaust emissions. Built on the world's newest and most highly automated engine manufacturing line at Asan, these two engines feature all-aluminium cylinder blocks, variable valve timing (VVT) and, on the Lambda, a variable intake system. The power output of the 3.3 litre is 229ps at 6200rpm, with an impressive 31.4kg.m torque at 3500rpm. The 2.4 litre serves up 165ps at 5800rpm with 23kg.m torque at 4000rpm. In the case of the 3.3 litre, this is transmitted by a new five-speed H-matic gearbox. The 2.4 litre unit offers a choice of a five-speed manual or a four-speed automatic transmission. The forthcoming 2.0VGT CRDi diesel unit will deliver 135ps at 4000rpm with torque of 29kg.m at 2000rpm, and will be available in Europe with either an all-new six-speed manual or the new five-speed automatic transmission.<p>Note that some of the aforementioned features are not available in all markets."</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Strictlly going with the conversion, 165ps (I4) and 229ps (V6) would be somewhere in the negiborhoods of 163hp and 226hp...not bad, i'll take both <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>although I believe the new Sonata will produce at least 165 and 230 when details are released for NA.

Roadster44
01-07-2005, 09:41 AM
Stop with the gray interiors, its soo late ninities Chevy like!!!

r0b
01-07-2005, 12:52 PM
It Isn't just hyundai that is using grey color! My friend has an Audi A3...the dashboard color is the same..

megadethmartyr
01-07-2005, 01:20 PM
Everyone uses a grey interior. GM just makes it look cheap. There are ways of making it attractive. For instance, use other toned colors. GM has a habit of using nothing but grey and that get fairly boring fairly fast. But they are getting better, kinda.

conrad1
01-08-2005, 01:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Strictlly going with the conversion, 165ps (I4) and 229ps (V6) would be somewhere in the negiborhoods of 163hp and 226hp...not bad, i'll take both <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>although I believe the new Sonata will produce at least 165 and 230 when details are released for NA.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>U where very close with your figures <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> . Even the official numbers from Hyundai has changed sometimes on their web. <br>I am waiting for the NF launch in Denmark which should be Feb./March and i will try te see if i can test drive a NF F24 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

megadethmartyr
01-08-2005, 08:17 AM
THere have been no official release on NA power ratings.

knicks125
01-10-2005, 04:20 AM
FYI - Check out this latest article filed this morning (with two pics of the 06 Sonatas parked outside its new NA plant, and also inside on the line).<p><A HREF="http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5ondetroit10.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.montgomeryadvertise...0.htm</A><p>Looks like they have quite a few ready to go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
01-10-2005, 05:58 AM
Nice find <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> This will be a really nice vehicle.

knicks125
01-10-2005, 08:52 AM
New Pics:<p><A HREF="http://autodeadline.com/Photos?pop=hyundai&model=Sonata" TARGET="_blank">http://autodeadline.com/Photos...onata</A><p>Hey what happened to the DVD Nav?

knicks125
01-10-2005, 09:00 AM
<B>Features</B>: <A HREF="http://www.autodeadline.com/detail?source=Hyundai&mid=HYU2005011032389&mime=ASC" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autodeadline.com/de...e=ASC</A><p><B>Specs</B>: <A HREF="http://www.autodeadline.com/detail?source=Hyundai&mid=HYU2005011032201&mime=ASC" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autodeadline.com/de...e=ASC</A><p><B>Press Release</B>: <A HREF="http://www.autodeadline.com/detail?source=Hyundai&mid=HYU2005011032619&mime=ASC" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autodeadline.com/de...e=ASC</A>

megadethmartyr
01-10-2005, 10:14 AM
I am not sure the NAV will be immediately available. Hyundai gauges how many Camry's and Accord's are actually sold with NAV. If they feel it is to their advantage to include NAV as an option, I assure everyone they will.

knicks125
01-10-2005, 11:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am not sure the NAV will be immediately available. Hyundai gauges how many Camry's and Accord's are actually sold with NAV. If they feel it is to their advantage to include NAV as an option, I assure everyone they will. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am not a big fan of NAV, and personally I don't think they are worth the extra 2 or 3 grand as an option, but I figure at least there was that option should be better than not having it. Then cousumers would be able to decide whether they want them, or not.<p>I agree with Hyundai's move, wait and see if people are demanding them, go ahead and then make a decision. SMART!!<p>As always, thanks for the insight <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
01-10-2005, 12:47 PM
Well i guess you could call it official. Hyundai announced power ratings at Detroit. 4 cyl is 162 Hp, and the V6 is 237 hp. I must say I am shocked to stabilty control on the car. Hyundai had maintained since the Tucson arrived, the cars wouldn't have it because they didn't need it. I guess that is a lesson don't guess at what Hyundai will do. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

TheJoyof6
01-10-2005, 05:48 PM
Well waiting for people to demand an option doesnt make sense to me. If you wait for the consumers to demand something then you have already lost them as customers, they will move to another brand which offers what they want. <p>Offering the options to start with and then if nobody buys the option then remove it seems like the best thing to me. <p>Also Hyundai lost some points with me for offering all the safety features as standard equipment but something as simple as telescoping steering wheel is only available on the top model. My favorite car company doesnt always have the brightest ideas. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

StuckInNYForever
01-10-2005, 07:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TheJoyof6</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well waiting for people to demand an option doesnt make sense to me. If you wait for the consumers to demand something then you have already lost them as customers, they will move to another brand which offers what they want. <p>Offering the options to start with and then if nobody buys the option then remove it seems like the best thing to me. <p>Also Hyundai lost some points with me for offering all the safety features as standard equipment but something as simple as telescoping steering wheel is only available on the top model. My favorite car company doesnt always have the brightest ideas. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>But, they offer features that others don't, such as MP3 player. Lose one customer, gain another. It all evens out, and then some in Hyundai's favor. Why spend a fortune to keep a few extra customers? Invest in the features that will make it worthwhile. I'm sure a telescoping steering wheel is not far off in the future as standard equipment. I would never even think to ask for that in a car.

StuckInNYForever
01-10-2005, 07:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well i guess you could call it official. Hyundai announced power ratings at Detroit. 4 cyl is 162 Hp, and the V6 is 237 hp.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nice! Did they happen to release exact mileage with the V6?

megadethmartyr
01-10-2005, 07:28 PM
The things that are standard or offered that aren't even available on it's competitors outweighs a telescoping wheel on the lower trims.

knicks125
01-11-2005, 06:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well i guess you could call it official. Hyundai announced power ratings at Detroit. 4 cyl is 162 Hp, and the V6 is 237 hp.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now that's what you call taking it to the next level <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
01-11-2005, 09:06 AM
check this out. It was put up imeediately following the detroit debut.<br><A HREF="http://www.hyundaisonata.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hyundaisonata.com</A>

knicks125
01-11-2005, 09:26 AM
Tinted glass <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Very impressive...thanks for the link <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

StuckInNYForever
01-11-2005, 07:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check this out. It was put up imeediately following the detroit debut.<br><A HREF="http://www.hyundaisonata.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hyundaisonata.com</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for the info. You can sign up to receive more information when "officially" available on that site (for all who have not clicked on it). This car is incredible.<p>I can't believe it is being classified as a large car! I didn't think it would be that roomy! And to have a bigger trunk also means they did not make any sacrifices. They even kept curb weight to a minimum. I'm very curious to see performance figures with 237 HP/5 speed auto and around 3450 pounds. I'm expecting low 6's in 0-60.

Ultomato
01-11-2005, 07:56 PM
hmm... if i had a choice, between this, camry and accord i wouldnt know which to pick. Actually now that i think about it, the Sonata should be compared to the Acura TSX right?

knicks125
01-11-2005, 11:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ultomato</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm... if i had a choice, between this, camry and accord i wouldnt know which to pick. Actually now that i think about it, the Sonata should be compared to the Acura TSX right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>easy, it'd be the Sonata. I'd have picked the camry or the accord before this new Sonata was introduced, but now this is the best out of the three. You've got everything now with this car, and the least amount of money to shell out.<p>TSX and Sonata comparison, um...I would, but I am not sure if the industry would do it. Actually, I am thinking of getting a sedan in the near future (have a coupe now), I would actually take this over the TSX.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 1:11 AM 1/12/2005</i>

knicks125
01-11-2005, 11:12 PM
<B>Heck, for Sonata's price and proven reliablity, I would take the new Sonata over every other single midsize sedan (comparable) under 30K.</B>

megadethmartyr
01-12-2005, 08:55 AM
The thing that gets me and I am now on a mission to find out, is how big the new XG is. By comparrison, the Sonata is pushing Maxima/TL size. THat XG is going to be big

knicks125
01-12-2005, 11:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The thing that gets me and I am now on a mission to find out, is how big the new XG is. By comparrison, the Sonata is pushing Maxima/TL size. THat XG is going to be big</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was surprised to hear the EPA rating for the Sonata can be considered in the large sedan category. Shoule be fun to hear the dimesion of the TG when it is released <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, does anyone know which car is class leading (size wise) currently in the large sedan category? Please include only non-luxury cars, as a few ultra-luxury sedans stretch a lot longer than the normal ones out there, Phantom for one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

jro4566
01-12-2005, 01:15 PM
I don't really think we can expect 0-60 to be in the low 6s, but probably low 7s...after all, it only has about 240HP.

megadethmartyr
01-12-2005, 02:52 PM
The 5-speed auto should help with the 60 time. I'm "guessing" ( <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) upper 6's.

StuckInNYForever
01-12-2005, 06:57 PM
Low 6's might have been optimistic, but it seems Hyundai was able to keep the weight down with the Sonata. The 5 speed manual might get there though, maybe the auto a little slower. I'd be happy with high 6's anyway. Might not need a second car to have fun in!

Ultomato
01-12-2005, 07:46 PM
some more nice pics of this awesome car:<br><IMG SRC="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1093623940.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10281-201942-380/Sonata1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10281-201942-381/Sonata2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10281-201942-382/Sonata3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>way better than the grey

megadethmartyr
01-12-2005, 09:32 PM
Old pics, but quite an exceptional description

Naga Royal Guard
01-12-2005, 09:53 PM
i dont care for the shapes of the interior, but its all competence so its all good -- i like the outside alot tho, ever since the Kia Spectra facelift, i knew something was up w/ Hyundai Kia

TheJoyof6
01-12-2005, 10:15 PM
The 06 Sonata V-6 does 0-62 in 7.7 secs, which is quicker than the V-6 auto Camry and Accord.

knicks125
01-13-2005, 06:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TheJoyof6</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 06 Sonata V-6 does 0-62 in 7.7 secs, which is quicker than the V-6 auto Camry and Accord.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hyundai executives said the redesigned car will be considerably more refined than the current model. They say the car is quieter than the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry at idle, 60 mph and wide-open throttle. Yet the V-6 version will reach 60 mph quicker than either competitor, they contend.<p>Auto Week - <A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101586" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101586</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 10:25 AM 1/13/2005</i>

knicks125
01-13-2005, 08:24 AM
The annual CSS car of the year is up, and I just voted for the Sonata.<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13228" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13228</A><p>You can vote at the above link if you'd like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
01-13-2005, 09:54 AM
Done and done.

jro4566
01-13-2005, 03:19 PM
All in all, every manufacturer claims their car will be faster, quieter, smoother than the competition - it's only until we see a comparison test to where we can get an idea of what the "pro's" have to say...or drive them yourself and judge.<p>Anyways regarding the Sonata, I'm very impressed with this. Stability control is even there!

megadethmartyr
01-14-2005, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TheJoyof6</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 06 Sonata V-6 does 0-62 in 7.7 secs, which is quicker than the V-6 auto Camry and Accord.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>There has been no time testing released on the Sonata as of yet. However, based on power and weight, 7.7 is high.

kevinb120
01-14-2005, 08:41 PM
Hyundai and Kia have been making great strides lately. Obviously both take design cues from other makers, but not too terribly. One thing I have noticed about both companies, is that they tend to blow it on the grilles for some reason. The Sonata and the Amante(sp?) are not bad looking cars inside and out, but the grilles look so damn glaringly cheap.

Naga Royal Guard
01-15-2005, 09:47 AM
not until the next camry will toyota regain their momentum in this front, considering the damage the Fusion, L-series, and sonata will inflict<p>camry/accord just may lose their ranks by the end of the year, even tho the Fusion/saturn L promise to outsell the sonata by default

megadethmartyr
01-15-2005, 01:08 PM
The only way I could see the Fusion outselling a foriegn make is pretty much the way they've been able to hang around the past few years and that's fleet sales. Saturn's compete only with themselves.

SV
01-15-2005, 03:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only way I could see the Fusion outselling a foriegn make is pretty much the way they've been able to hang around the past few years and that's fleet sales. Saturn's compete only with themselves.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>there's a difference with ford this time though: the fusion is competitive with the best. the sonata should be just as good though, and so should the L-series replacement. this class is going to get interesting very very soon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
01-15-2005, 06:40 PM
I'll give you the Fusion because it should have some factory support, and if anything it's got a blue oval. Saturn just doesn't impress me. To me, it just seems like it's another brand GM ignores and burries in it's part bin. Ford has been doing some good things lately though.

SV
01-15-2005, 06:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Saturn just doesn't impress me. To me, it just seems like it's another brand GM ignores and burries in it's part bin. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>have you seen the new aura and sky? (okay, maybe the sky is a rebadged opel, but at least it isn't a rebadged pontiac or chevy)

StuckInNYForever
01-15-2005, 07:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll give you the Fusion because it should have some factory support, and if anything it's got a blue oval. Saturn just doesn't impress me. To me, it just seems like it's another brand GM ignores and burries in it's part bin. Ford has been doing some good things lately though. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Saturns biggest draw is their no-negotiating policy. I think that attracts a different type of customer regardless of what they sell. If they can bring very competitive products to the table, they have a chance at a decent share of the market. The problem is that after the initial year of the new offering, you are usually able to bargain pretty well with dealers. This is where Saturn will lose its appeal to many people that would normally be able to negotiate a lower price at other dealers. I think they will do well during the first model year of the L series replacement, after that it is downhill. This is where the Sonata will pick up since their dealers usually negotiate pretty well (at least in the NY area). Just my opinion.

TheJoyof6
01-15-2005, 10:14 PM
Mega, appearently Hyundai released the time testing a few days ago when the car was shown at the auto show.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.global-autonews.com/upload/mboard/imgfiles/bd_chae_war_442.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

Andrey
01-15-2005, 10:47 PM
7.9 is too high for 240hp Accord... I guess Accord is faster but still Sonata is damn good car because these tenth of seconds doesn't really matter

nismo
01-15-2005, 11:32 PM
I don't really think the Fusion is as competitive as the Sonata and the Aura with the Accord/Camry because its V6 still lags behind. It just doesn't come together as well as the Sonata or Aura. I think the Fusion is going to be competitve as the Mazda6, except for different reasons since the Mazda6 isn't really for the same type of driver (Mazda6 is driver oriented, while Fusion seems more Family like) probably price and that Ford loyalty that some americans have will sell the Fusion. Its sort of like the Focus, nice but not for everyone and not as good of a seller as the civic/corolla. Just my 2 cents..<p>Also I wanted to note. Ive seen the Sonata testing and I'm very surprised to see that it is rated as such a large car. I thought it looked between the size of the Accord and the Mazda6... I actually like that size. Does the Accord have the same rating?

r0b
01-16-2005, 02:15 AM
It really is a great car! I just hope Hyundai won't rise the prices too much!

Andre
01-16-2005, 03:02 AM
Remember folks, the Accord's power is not in Torque, the Accord actually has fairly low Torque compared to the Camry and Sonata. So I would expect it to be the slowest off the line if you're counting the Camry's biggest V6. However, they are counting the smaller V6, the 3.0. Whihc would make the Camry the most bloated and underpowered car there.<p>I expect it, counting the Camry as having the 3.3, not the 3.0, I think the Camry and Sonata would be much closer. I think the Accord will be the slowest off the line since it only has 212 lb/ft of torque, while the Camry and Sonata have around 225-230 lb/ft<p>Horsepower doesn't count off the line.<p><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Four Cylinder (from official information):<p>Sonata: 2.4 Liter .... 160 HP (162 PS) .... 166 lb/ft torque (225 NM)<p>Camry: 2.4 Liter .... 160 HP (162 PS) .... 163 lb/ft Torque (221 NM)<p>Accord: 2.4 Liter .... 160 HP (162 PS) .... 161 lb/ft torque (218 NM)<p>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Six Cylinder (from official information)<p>Sonata: 3.3 Liter .... 220+ HP (223+ PS) .... 224 lb/ft Torque (303 NM)<p>Camry I: 3.0 Liter .... 210 HP (213 PS) .... 220 lb/ft Torque (298 NM)<br>Camry II: 3.3 Liter .... 225 HP (228 PS) .... 240 lb/ft Torque (325 NM)<p>Accord: 3.0 Liter .... 240 HP (243 PS) .... 212 lb/ft Torque (287 NM)<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>So the 3.3 Camry is a bit better, we'll have to compare weight and driving characteristics. Butit seems to me they left the beter engine off the tests. I'm sure there is a god reason too.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 2:23 AM 1/16/2005</i>

StuckInNYForever
01-16-2005, 07:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TheJoyof6</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mega, appearently Hyundai released the time testing a few days ago when the car was shown at the auto show.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That surprises me a bit. Are you sure this is for North America? Usually, time is quoted in 0-60, not 0-62 (that is translated from 0-100 kilometers for foreign markets). I think the Altima is close to 6 seconds flat, so the Sonata can't be too far behind. Either way, I hope it feels significantly more powerful than the older V6 model.

megadethmartyr
01-16-2005, 08:51 AM
Those times seem really high to me. Then again, they are probably just esimates. Motor trend ran somewhere in the mid-upper 6's with the Accord a couple months back. Hell, when Hyundai brought out the Tib the estimated it would go 0-60 in 8 secs. Motor Trend was able to rip a 6.9 sec 0-60. I am not putting much stock in those times.

KaRaceR
01-16-2005, 10:38 AM
ok maybe i hav been a little over critical of hyundai's,<br>i still think that the out side is dull and boring,<br>but the interior looks great

Ultomato
01-16-2005, 12:12 PM
Hyundai should make some of their cars (TG)and their sports coupe rear wheel drive so they can compete with Acura/Lexus and still cost less than them. <p>And i dont know about you guys, but Lexus' and Acuras are really nice, but they are so expensive, and for that price I expect rearwheel drive, not front wheel drive to save production costs. <p>of course i dont expect hyundai to do this so soon, but in 6-7 years after all their models have come out and made some profit, to step up to the next level, keep going the way they are going.<br>That would help better distinguish hyundai and kia. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ultomato at 11:17 AM 1/16/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
01-16-2005, 12:19 PM
an ES or TL are only slightly more expensive than the highest-trim of their cheaper downmarket counterpart<p>

Ultomato
01-16-2005, 12:41 PM
The current XG350's base msrp is 23 grand top model 26 grand, and TL and ES330 about 31-2 grand.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ultomato at 11:49 AM 1/16/2005</i>

Andre
01-16-2005, 12:54 PM
The Acura brand is FWD/AWD only<p>The ES would kind of go against the TG, which both cars are FWD<br>the RX would kind of go against the (new) Santa Fe, both are/will be FWD/AWD<p>Hyundai doesn't currently have any trucks to speak of. the IS is almost a RWD ES, it could be argued the Sonata competes with it, but that could raise a huge argument. The GS, well, Huyundai currently doesn't have a V8 RWD car in the US, and I think if they did it would be more oriented toward the Lexus LS<p>Simply put, if Hyundai wanted to compete with Lexus (which they don't) they wouldn't need to switch to RWD... they would need to bring the Equus over and a halfway decent trucky truck SUV.

SantaFe
01-16-2005, 01:02 PM
I am really disappointed that the NAV system will not be available. I hope they offer the cell phone plug in option. May have to wait for the XG now!

spwolf
01-16-2005, 01:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Acura brand is FWD/AWD only<p>Simply put, if Hyundai wanted to compete with Lexus (which they don't) they wouldn't need to switch to RWD... they would need to bring the Equus over and a halfway decent trucky truck SUV.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sure they do (want to compete with Lexus)...It seems to me that Hyundai wants to be Toyota with a bit of Honda on the side... They even said they want to have luxury brand in the US in the 2007, although that probably will got posponed after laughs it got first time around.<p>They would certainly have to do something unique in order to become an luxury player, which in turn would be an new concept for them :-)

knicks125
01-17-2005, 07:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">camry/accord just may lose their ranks by the end of the year, even tho the Fusion/saturn L promise to outsell the sonata by default</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The only reason detroit made cars nowadays are still posting good sale numbers, with some exceptions (such as mustang), is b/c many people have yet to open up their eyes and look outside of the box, many foreign-badged cars are a lot better, cheaper and with more features.<p>I like the Fusion, but please don't give its grade report just yet. we all heard about the rave on the 500, but we how well that's doing so far (not great)...plus Fusion isn't even competing with the Sonata since they are not in the same class <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you seen the new aura and sky? (okay, maybe the sky is a rebadged opel, but at least it isn't a rebadged pontiac or chevy)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Same as the fusion, we'll have to wait to give its grade. BTW sky isn't even a sedan, no need to mention in a sedan thread, it's a nice looking rebadged opel.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ultomato</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hyundai should make some of their cars (TG)and their sports coupe rear wheel drive so they can compete with Acura/Lexus and still cost less than them. <p>And i dont know about you guys, but Lexus' and Acuras are really nice, but they are so expensive, and for that price I expect rearwheel drive, not front wheel drive to save production costs. <p>of course i dont expect hyundai to do this so soon, but in 6-7 years after all their models have come out and made some profit, to step up to the next level, keep going the way they are going.<br>That would help better distinguish hyundai and kia. <p><br><i>Modified by Ultomato at 11:17 AM 1/16/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Forget rear wheel drive, it does no good in winter (especially snow driving). TG will mostly likely have all wheel drive as an option <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Acura brand is FWD/AWD only<p>The ES would kind of go against the TG, which both cars are FWD<br>the RX would kind of go against the (new) Santa Fe, both are/will be FWD/AWD<p>Hyundai doesn't currently have any trucks to speak of. the IS is almost a RWD ES, it could be argued the Sonata competes with it, but that could raise a huge argument. The GS, well, Huyundai currently doesn't have a V8 RWD car in the US, and I think if they did it would be more oriented toward the Lexus LS<p>Simply put, if Hyundai wanted to compete with Lexus (which they don't) they wouldn't need to switch to RWD... they would need to bring the Equus over and a halfway decent trucky truck SUV.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why are we comparing Hyundai w/ Lexus now? Until Hyundai actually brings over its luxury division/cars (probably late 06 or 07), we should compare them with Toyota, or Honda, but not Lexus, or Acura, or other comparable divisions.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SantaFe</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am really disappointed that the NAV system will not be available. I hope they offer the cell phone plug in option. May have to wait for the XG now!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Trust me, NAV systems are overrated and waste of money...I have them now and they are useless, most of the time

knicks125
01-17-2005, 08:35 AM
A friend sent this forum site to me...it's got some new pics of the Sonata...looks good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://forums.thecarlounge.net/zerothread?id=1771645" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.thecarlounge.net...71645</A>

Naga Royal Guard
01-17-2005, 08:52 AM
is this on the dealer lots yet?

knicks125
01-17-2005, 08:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is this on the dealer lots yet? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>not yet...probably by late March/early April, although many of them is already finished and ready to go, in its new US plant <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
01-17-2005, 11:01 AM
Knicks, the entire point of my post was to point out to Ultomato that Hyundai will not compete with Lexus and Acura, but even if they did they would not have to develope a whole new series of technology.<p>The Sonata is supposedly going to start full production in March<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 12:16 PM 1/17/2005</i>

knicks125
01-17-2005, 11:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Knicks, the entire point of my post was to point out to Ultomato that Hyundai will not compete with Lexus and Acura, but even if they did they would not have to develope a whole new series of technology</TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh okay...got you...agreed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I do hope Hyundai brings over its luxury car over to the US (ex. Eqqus, Dynasty, etc), I think they would do well just as the current lineup has <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-17-2005, 11:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>oh okay...got you...agreed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I do hope Hyundai brings over its luxury car over to the US (ex. Eqqus, Dynasty, etc), I think they would do well just as the current lineup has <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol, they will bring their luxury cars, but it better be much better than what they are doing right now...

megadethmartyr
01-17-2005, 06:49 PM
the luxury brand will be just as outstanding as the current and upcoming models, with a whole lot more technology and refinement. The Equus has the best chance of being the first one of the luxury line to make it here. Whether it'll be a Hyundai or whatever the luxury brand will be called is still up in the air. (Sorry, don't know what name they are thinking of using)

knicks125
01-17-2005, 08:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the luxury brand will be just as outstanding as the current and upcoming models, with a whole lot more technology and refinement. The Equus has the best chance of being the first one of the luxury line to make it here. Whether it'll be a Hyundai or whatever the luxury brand will be called is still up in the air. (Sorry, don't know what name they are thinking of using)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>so you are saying Hyundai is planning to form its luxury division? Maybe? Kind like Toyota/Lexus?

megadethmartyr
01-18-2005, 12:21 PM
yep, have been for a while. Last I heard was a launch by 2010.

Patriotdefender
01-21-2005, 01:18 PM
Hi everybody, I'm a new member, I've been reading for a long time though. I'm actually in Montgomery and have been out to the plant a couple of times. They've got a couple of new Sonata's in the employee parking area- they look sweet in person. One of the cars has the parking sensors on the bumper- hopefully this will make it's way into being an available option. Every one I've seen so far has a stock stereo- no Nav (disappointing)- hopefully they'll take a chance and make it an option.

knicks125
01-21-2005, 01:25 PM
That's great...I agree, it's a sweet car...<p>Would you be able to take some pics and share them here?<p>And, welcome <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Patriotdefender
01-21-2005, 03:40 PM
I plan on trying to take some pics, the security guards are pretty good about driving around in that parking lot, flashing dirty looks and what not (the what are you doing here kinda look) I'll try to get some good pics, and I'm sure we'll start to see them around town any day now

megadethmartyr
01-22-2005, 11:13 AM
Well, apparently manager at the plant are driving them on daily basis (kinda like demos). Find out when then shifts end and follow one. I heard (and I don't know this for sure) but apparently Mr. Cosmai is driving one out in Foutain Valley, CA. So if anyones out there, good chance of seeing it around the Hyundai headquarters.

Patriotdefender
01-22-2005, 12:52 PM
I agree, so far there have been two in the parking lot- desert sand and white- white looks surprisingly good, saw a black one at night in a parking lot in town....looked really nice. I'll update with pics when I get them

Rugbyplaya91
01-22-2005, 06:20 PM
can i ask a question<p>is there any other car like this with all these options for under 25,000??<p>this is awesome<p>anyways this means the tg price will be high?<p>the xg right now is about 24,000

megadethmartyr
01-22-2005, 07:12 PM
Top end XG's (L trim) are just shy of $27K. I am assuming that the new XG's will start around $26-27

knicks125
01-24-2005, 06:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can i ask a question<p>is there any other car like this with all these options for under 25,000??<p>this is awesome<p>anyways this means the tg price will be high?<p>the xg right now is about 24,000</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think so. Most other midsize sedans are a lot higher in prices with all these options added (even without, their prices are still higher). Sonata provides all these options as standard features <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> even on the base model, which starts under 20k, can't beat that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I can see the price for the XG replacement going up a bit, espeically since it's going to compete with Lexus, and I would imagine a few other premium models, such as the TL. My guess is that the price for the base model would start in the high 20s, with top of the line model at or near 30k but still would be a lot chepaer than competitors' base model MSRP <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-24-2005, 06:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Patriotdefender</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree, so far there have been two in the parking lot- desert sand and white- white looks surprisingly good, saw a black one at night in a parking lot in town....looked really nice. I'll update with pics when I get them</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just two...i am surprised...from the picture in this article, there's at least half dozen<p><A HREF="http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5ondetroit10.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.montgomeryadvertise...0.htm</A>

Banker
01-24-2005, 10:17 AM
I really like the look of this car. I can't wait to see how it stacks up against the competition.

Patriotdefender
01-24-2005, 08:08 PM
The security is very tight at the plant, they have what I would call a "mini-campus" behind a large fenced-in part of the factories interior "courtyard" The whole complex is mammoth- there are a total of 4 different buildings along the road which is aptly named "Hyundai Blvd"

knicks125
01-25-2005, 06:09 AM
Good stuff <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
01-25-2005, 06:21 AM
As I might have mentioned before earlier - I have first-hand seen these cars up close in a Korean Hyundai Dealership when I visited in the middle of last year. They do look good, certainly a big increase from the previous gen, but when you look at it in the flesh, the rear looks really large with the long taillights, but other than that, it's all tip-top!<p>I personally would never buy this car - but still, it's good to see Korean cars are slowly catching up to the rest of the world.

r0b
01-26-2005, 08:46 AM
Found this:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/specialSonata.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>source:<br> <A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28951" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...28951</A> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by r0b at 9:52 AM 1/27/2005</i>

knicks125
01-26-2005, 09:38 AM
stunning...just stunning <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, nice find <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Ultomato
01-26-2005, 01:33 PM
WOW...thats nice.. looks a lot like audi, but thats a good thing

Rugbyplaya91
01-26-2005, 01:59 PM
whoah is that going to be a trim line? the front looks like a saab/// or is that just a car somebody tuned out...

knicks125
01-26-2005, 02:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whoah is that going to be a trim line? the front looks like a saab/// or is that just a car somebody tuned out...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh do we all wish that was a production model <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It's just a tuner Sonata..love the quad exhaust tips and those pimpin' rims <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-26-2005, 07:35 PM
My friend told me that Hyundai has it in the plans to develop a new 3.0L V6 diesel engine on one of its high-end sedans and at least one SUV. Has anyone heard more about this? <p>If someone could also get an article about this, that'd be even better. Thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
01-27-2005, 12:35 AM
I think they spent more money and time designing the dials than the door handles, the ugly rear door, the faul grille, and the fugly inside than the all of these combined!<p>I just love those headlights, tail lights and dial tho.....they look world class.....pity about the rest......just not my taste......ar well, Fusion 4 me!!!! LOL

knicks125
01-27-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think they spent more money and time designing the dials than the door handles, the ugly rear door, the faul grille, and the fugly inside than the all of these combined!<p>I just love those headlights, tail lights and dial tho.....they look world class.....pity about the rest......just not my taste......ar well, Fusion 4 me!!!! LOL</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Fusion is going to be a good car, but, for about the same price, I can get the Sonata, which is better than the Fusion in just about every category <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
01-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Yeah, same here. The Fusion fails in comparison... the Sonata is definately a better all-around vehicle.

JBlair
01-27-2005, 06:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fusion is going to be a good car, but, for about the same price, I can get the Sonata, which is better than the Fusion in just about every category <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, same here. The Fusion fails in comparison... the Sonata is definately a better all-around vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>How exactly do you figure that? Seeing as how no one has actually driven the Fusion and few have driven the Sonata, I would say its pretty damn impossible to have a comparison yet. <br>

nismo
01-27-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm just saying by design and on paper the Sonata seems better. Just my .02 cents. But of course not everyones gonna agree...

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2005, 08:27 PM
the camry wont be able to compete wit dis, the fusion should go home now

knicks125
01-28-2005, 07:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How exactly do you figure that? Seeing as how no one has actually driven the Fusion and few have driven the Sonata, I would say its pretty damn impossible to have a comparison yet. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is no point arguing, have a look at the specs, and then take a test drive of both cars...find out yourself.<p>Let's take one example, the Sonata offers ABS, Traction control, EPS, etc as standard safety features, even on its base model. No other cars (comparable) can even come close. And I am not even talking about the power the Sonata has.<p>I said the Fusion is going to be a good car, but the improvement of the Sonata, year after year, has me given the edge of this car, over the Camry and the Accord (BTW, IMO, the fusion doesn't even come close to the above three). Fusion will sell b/c it's going to be a good car, but the competition isn't balanced because many people who have owned Detroit made cars (ex. Ford, GM) will stick with those cars, FOR LIFE. They don't look "outside the box" (cross-shop), even though there are much better options for a lot less in price.

JBlair
01-28-2005, 11:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is no point arguing, have a look at the specs, and then take a test drive of both cars...find out yourself.<p>Let's take one example, the Sonata offers ABS, Traction control, EPS, etc as standard safety features, even on its base model. No other cars (comparable) can even come close. And I am not even talking about the power the Sonata has.<p>I said the Fusion is going to be a good car, but the improvement of the Sonata, year after year, has me given the edge of this car, over the Camry and the Accord (BTW, IMO, the fusion doesn't even come close to the above three). Fusion will sell b/c it's going to be a good car, but the competition isn't balanced because many people who have owned Detroit made cars (ex. Ford, GM) will stick with those cars, FOR LIFE. They don't look "outside the box" (cross-shop), even though there are much better options for a lot less in price.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are not understanding the fact, however, that comparisons other than those based on Looks and design cannot be made at this point because NONE of us have had a chance to drive both of these cars yet. It is all your opinion of how these two cars will do in the marketplace and does not currently have any substantive material based on the actual cars. Also, making sweeping statements about buyer trends such as that people who buy Detroit will always buy Detroit, are not entirely accurate and somewhat inappropriate.

megadethmartyr
01-28-2005, 11:29 AM
Well you all know I am biased and with say the Sonata is a better car top to bottom. On paper it's hard to argue that, but people will to drive both to make a fair judgement. On the Detroit thing, ask Nissan and Toyota how many truck buyers the CAN'T get because they aren't made in Detroit.

JBlair
01-28-2005, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well you all know I am biased and with say the Sonata is a better car top to bottom. On paper it's hard to argue that, but people will to drive both to make a fair judgement. On the Detroit thing, ask Nissan and Toyota how many truck buyers the CAN'T get because they aren't made in Detroit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Slightly different parameters with the truck market, since the JDM's have never really made inroads there, and because big Pick-ups are a distinctly american vehicle. Don't get me wrong guys, I think the Sonata is a fantastic car and I think it will threaten the market leaders greatly. However, I believe the Fusion is going to be more of a market force, and better competition for the Sonata, than some of you may think.

nismo
01-28-2005, 11:54 AM
..also, Megadethmartyr has there been any new info on the Sonata coupe?

Hornbag
01-28-2005, 06:30 PM
What are the EXACT compeditors for the Sonata?<p>Everyone knows that my opinions are normally very different from others, but i just hate this car. I guess after seeing the Tucon and expecting the Sonata to be something (IMO) much better, i guess my expectations were set to high...and this car just failed for me. <p>Mabey i still have that 'hyindai excel' image in my head, cheap and nasty. Does Hyundai have any image problems in the US? Becasue they still do in Australia.

fuzzunit
01-29-2005, 12:07 AM
hyundai does still have a bit of an image problem in the us. though hyundai's image is rapidly improving, many americans would still feel more comfortable buying a total piece of crap (like a dodge neon) from ford, chevy, or chrysler, than a totally solid car (like the sonata) from hyundai. and I agree the fusion will be stiff competition for those seeking a smaller, slower car with less features and shorter warranty.

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2005, 12:23 AM
agreed, the Fusion is NOTHING compared to the new sonata, its just an OK car w/ the blue oval ( that means jack nothin anyway)<br>

eps
01-29-2005, 06:20 AM
Ford will sell tons of fusions to Hertz, budget, enterprise, corporate and government fleets. Fusion will also sell well in the middle and southern america because they don't know anything other than domestics and many of them feel it is patrotic and american duty to buy american made vehicle even though fusion will be produced in mexico.<p><br>I predict Hyundai will easily sell 150k sonatas in the US in 2005. <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by eps at 3:13 PM 1/29/2005</i>

SV
01-29-2005, 09:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">agreed, the Fusion is NOTHING compared to the new sonata, its just an OK car w/ the blue oval ( that means jack nothin anyway)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>how do you freaking <I>know</I> the sonata is so much better? it seems to me more than half of you aren't giving the fusion a chance because it's a ford. yes, the new sonata is an excellent car from the looks of it, but like JBlair said, few people have driven the sonata, and nobody outside of ford has driven the fusion. IMO these two should be about the same in how capable they are, the fusion will probably have somewhat sportier handling, since it's based on the mazda6, and the sonata will be quicker but more relaxed dynamics-wise. quality-wise they look to be about the same, ford has taken a HUGE leap forward with the interior and that's apparent from the pictures; and so has hyundai.

Ultomato
01-29-2005, 10:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SV3</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>how do you freaking <I>know</I> the sonata is so much better? it seems to me more than half of you aren't giving the fusion a chance because it's a ford. yes, the new sonata is an excellent car from the looks of it, but like JBlair said, few people have driven the sonata, and nobody outside of ford has driven the fusion. IMO these two should be about the same in how capable they are, the fusion will probably have somewhat sportier handling, since it's based on the mazda6, and the sonata will be quicker but more relaxed dynamics-wise. quality-wise they look to be about the same, ford has taken a HUGE leap forward with the interior and that's apparent from the pictures; and so has hyundai.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, how do u know the fusion has a sportier handling? have YOU driven one? The sonata has the Active Geometric Suspension to back it up. You just contradicted yourself.

SV
01-29-2005, 10:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ultomato</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>well, how do u know the fusion has a sportier handling? have YOU driven one? The sonata has the Active Geometric Suspension to back it up. You just contradicted yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i don't know the fusion will drive better, i said it <I>should</I>, since it's based on the mazda6 (which has gotten good reviews for its handling). maybe i did contradict myself a little, i didn't know the sonata had active suspension and that could give it an advantage. i'm just ticked off since everyone's saying how mediocre the fusion is and saying how the sonata will be so much better when they really have no idea. personally i like both cars alot, i just want everyone to give the fusion a chance, since it should be an excellent car.

knicks125
01-29-2005, 10:57 AM
Hornbag, you are the one who started all this, saying the Fusion is a lot better than the Sonata. We all know your bias toward Ford but saying you hate the Sonata is just ignorant. Have you ever driven one yet? If not, please do not say anything that you can not back up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I agree with most others, both cars are quality and about the same, although I have to give the edge to the Sonata. I am not biased toward Hyundai but I think the overall value is much better on the Sonata; its long list of standard features, including all of the safety features aren't matched by any of its compeitors.<p>Aside from all of the standard features offered, it has 237hp and tons of torque to go with it. 0-60 in the high 6s/low 7s, better than the class leading Camry, and I can get a ten year warranty and many many more value factors too long to list. All that with a base starting price well below 20k, you just can't beat that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Someone said only a few have driven the Sonata, actually, that is not true, the Sonata has been on sale for a while now in Europe and S. Korea, and there have been lots of interested buyers (not sure what the exact sales figures are). I have a friend in Asia who test cars for living, he has driven the Sonata extensively and told me it's a better car than the Camry and Accord, in his opinion. I current own a coupe (04 Toyota Solara SLE) and am thinking about adding the Sonata later this year - it has more hp than my Solara <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </B><p>The Sonata should not be compared to the Fusion. We all know the Fusion is going to sell more than the Sonata, b/c it has a larger customer base to start off, and people buy Fords and GMs without even giving a chance to some of the imports (that is a fact by the way - no need to argue), even though some are better in their overall values. Also, most of the Ford's sales are through fleet. The Sonata should be compared to Camrys and Accords but not the Fusion.<p>I agree with eps, 150K for the Sonata in the US is a very reachable number. On the image thing, have a look at JDPower reports, Hyundai is now constanly ranked in the top 3 in many areas, better than the improvements of Ford has made in recent years, although I think Ford's heading in the right direction. Watch out, I think Hyundai is going to meet its goal of becoming one of the top 5 automaker by 2010. <p>Once again, both cars are very quality cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
01-29-2005, 11:04 AM
The Fusion's suspension is different than the Mazda6's. Its set softer as said by Ford themselves, its also a bigger car so they might not drive alike at all. The Fusion is a big improvement from the Taurus don't get me wrong but the Hyundai seems to be better on "paper" so far. And I know the V6 Fusion won't compete that well with the Sonata V6 because the Fusion engine isn't new and I've driven my friends Mazda6 V6 many times and its not as fast as the Accord V6 and doesn't come anywhere near the Altima's V6 and if I'm not wrong the Mazda6 is the Duratec30(?) at its best...

SV
01-29-2005, 11:08 AM
also, everyone's saying the sonata will be a better value, and that's most likely true, but what's the pricing for the fusion? i couldn't find it anywhere in the fusion thread, and there wasn't any pricing on the official site. so i don't think we know if the sonata is the better value yet (although it most likely will be). the latest motor trend says ford is going to give the fusion low pricing though (16-17k base, around there) to attract import buyers.

eightballsidepocket
01-29-2005, 11:10 AM
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area(Silicon Valley, California), and I've been seeing more and more Sonatas on the road. I think that Hyundai's image is much-improved from just a few years ago. <p>With this new model coming out, and it's price not too-much higher than the previous Sonata, I think Hyundai's going to bite into the medium-size sedan market held by Honda, Toyota, and to a lesser degree Nissan by a pretty good margin. <p>The West Coast tends to be a year or few ahead of the nation in car buying trends when it comes to some of the newer Asian models/trends. Hybrids are a very common site out here, as well as Hyundai's, and Kias. <p>If you've noticed in recent road tests, of the compacts.......Hyundai's Elantra was ranked just a smidgeon, under the recently demised Mazda Protege'. <p>I had the opportunity to drive a 2003 Elantra and was really impressed at the "spunk" in there 4 cylinder engine. I was driving an automatic, and it still accelerated quite well. My youngest son has a 2003 Mazda Protege', and I'll have to say that the Protege was more refined, but the price of the Elantra is an important factor. <p>Regards, Eightballsidepocket <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

ToronadoGT
01-29-2005, 02:18 PM
Honda and Toyota better watch out, this car is on their heels and gaining. The interior of this car is by far Hyundai's best, and actually surpasses many American products (like Malibu or Stratus). I think Hyundai has reached breakthrough status, because back in the early 90's, Hyundai was producing boring, ugly cars (except for the Scoupe, which had a little pizzaz) with unreliable powertrains. Good job Hyundai, you've done good for yourself. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-29-2005, 09:36 PM
Well said, psyclone67 & eightballsidepocket <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

deltaz
01-29-2005, 09:42 PM
Hello every one. I've been following all the developments of the '06 NF Sonata since May of last year. I've read many comments on a variety of different forums throughout the web and there is definitely a great deal of excitement and expectation for this all new Sonata from Hyundai.<p>I agree that there are 'questions' about how well the Sonota will stack up against the market leaders, Camry and Accord but make no doubt that the benchmark is NOT a Ford, this car is going after the market import leaders and if all the data on the technical and mechanical innovations are accurate this is a Hyundai live none of us has ever seen!

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2005, 09:44 PM
thats right, the Camry and Accord are the benchmarks of the segment, the mazda 6 may handle better, but it doesent move 350,000+ units anually<p>the Ford is the late car w/ cheap foiled taillamps ( otherwise looks good tho)

knicks125
01-29-2005, 09:54 PM
Abosutely correct...let's not compare the Sonata with the Fusion, but rather Camrys and Accords...<p>Hornbag, the Fusion should be compared to cars such as the 500 (it's about the same), Mailbu, Intrepid, and similar.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tennessean</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>Hyundai Motor Co. made a similar move with its redesigned Sonata. It will be the first family sedan with standard electronic stability control, anti-lock brakes, traction control and six air bags.</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Read the full article of consumers valuing safety: <A HREF="http://www.tennessean.com/business/archives/05/01/64680632.shtml?Element_ID=64680632" TARGET="_blank">http://www.tennessean.com/busi...80632</A>

Hornbag
01-29-2005, 10:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Hornbag, the Fusion should be compared to cars such as the 500 (it's about the same), Mailbu, Intrepid, and similar.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, sorry about that. Latley i've just been ' oh that car looks crap, i will bag it to make my self feel better ' sort of thing. I did say why i didnt like the Sonato is a thread somewhere, but mostly its the name 'Hundai'.<p>Forget about my Ford crap. Continue with the Hyundai.

ohme467
01-29-2005, 10:16 PM
this car is so BLAH, i already forget what it looks like. the fusion on the other hand...

knicks125
01-29-2005, 10:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ohme467</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this car is so BLAH, i already forget what it looks like. the fusion on the other hand...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Then remind yourself from the pics on the first page <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>"The fusion on the other hand..." yes, you were saying?

conrad1
01-30-2005, 02:31 AM
I have just recived some of the sales prices for Sonata NF in Denmark.<br>Have to say that i am living in the wrong country. In march they will start selling the NF 2.4 and a 2.4L 5 speed man. costs $45.600. <br>In june the 3.3l comes to Denmark. The price tag $58.000 for a 5 speed auto. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
01-30-2005, 05:10 AM
Are you sure about the prices? They're twice as high as the prices of the old sonata!

conrad1
01-30-2005, 06:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you sure about the prices? They're twice as high as the prices of the old sonata!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its in Denmark. Here we buy one car but pays for three. Taxes on cars in Denmark are the higest in the world. NF 2.4L with manuel gear has a pricetag saying Danish krones: 260.000,- <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

EF owner
01-30-2005, 03:01 PM
Wow..that sucks! All I can say si that Im gonna get one(for tuning purposes) when it comes out. I already have an 00' EF and absolutely love it..so I know I will like this one. And if that coupe comes out...I'll probably have one of those also. And all three combined will cost less than my fathers A8 lol.

deltaz
01-30-2005, 09:00 PM
IMO the '06 Sonata was designed to be a main stream kind of vehicle that most import (aka Camry/ Accord buyers) could relate. Also if you look at the long list of standard features, like stability and traction control, plus the number of airbags std you get the definite impression that Hyundai is not just after taking market share from the two front running import market leaders BUT also setting a new standard.<p>They are saying to those market leaders: We're bringing it on and stepping it up a notch and are here to "shock and awe" you with all these great features which you normally charge your customers extra. So I'd say if you are looking at this from Toyota and Honda's point-of-view the best that they could do right now is try to match Hyundai by either higher rebates (lower price?) or give away some option or include some xtra feature in the hopes of trying to hold the line on their market share until they can come up with a credible answer to the Hyundai on-slaught of new and improved models.

spwolf
02-01-2005, 01:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>deltaz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They are saying to those market leaders: We're bringing it on and stepping it up a notch and are here to "shock and awe" you with all these great features which you normally charge your customers extra. So I'd say if you are looking at this from Toyota and Honda's point-of-view the best that they could do right now is try to match Hyundai by either higher rebates (lower price?) or give away some option or include some xtra feature in the hopes of trying to hold the line on their market share until they can come up with a credible answer to the Hyundai on-slaught of new and improved models. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>um, I just heard all of Toyota and Honda executives jus quit their companies since they simply cant handle Hyundai's superiority... suckers!

knicks125
02-01-2005, 01:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>um, I just heard all of Toyota and Honda executives jus quit their companies since they simply cant handle Hyundai's superiority... suckers!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>haha very funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-01-2005, 01:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>deltaz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are saying to those market leaders: We're bringing it on and stepping it up a notch and are here to "shock and awe" you with all these great features which you normally charge your customers extra. So I'd say if you are looking at this from Toyota and Honda's point-of-view the best that they could do right now is try to match Hyundai by either higher rebates (lower price?) or give away some option or include some xtra feature in the hopes of trying to hold the line on their market share until they can come up with a credible answer to the Hyundai on-slaught of new and improved models. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Or maybe, just mayyyyybe, they are trytng to tell Joa and jane public:<p>"Hey we know our products haven't been quite up to par before, but you should see what we are making now. If you are willing to try something other than your honda or toyota, then check our new product out. We'll throw in everything but the kitchen sink to make it worth your while."<p>Since Hyundai and kia are both on an expansinary stage and drastically improving their images, they are giving great packaged deals in order to entice buyers to their brands. If quality is what it's cracked up to be, In the future they might not have to do taht any more.

spwolf
02-01-2005, 02:02 PM
does anyone know the prices yet? I was trying to find them but no good...

Andre
02-01-2005, 04:30 PM
Priced like the Nissan Altima...<p>about $17,000 USD to about $25,000 USD

knicks125
02-01-2005, 04:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Priced like the Nissan Altima...<p>about $17,000 USD to about $25,000 USD</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you sure, that's a little too high, they are saying it would be kept similar to the 05 prices...i'd say somewhere between 17k - 21 or 22k<p>Mega, where are you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>what are you hearing about the prices?

hokman
02-01-2005, 05:15 PM
front and side A6 copy, and why would anyone in the world would copy honda inspire's duck arse? Hyundai should be sued long ago since the Tuscani (even the name is a copy of TVR.)

hokman
02-01-2005, 05:15 PM
WTF, they're trying to price this as much as Altima?

Naga Royal Guard
02-01-2005, 05:16 PM
this is better than the altime, features, refinement , everything, whats the problem?

knicks125
02-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Agree with Naga, this is a lot better than the Altima, for a lot cheaper, i don't think the top trim is going to be in the 25-26k range, I still think 23 would be a good fit for a loaded Sonata.<p>hey hokman, if you drive a little south, you wouldn't see any Tuscani, but instead you would see tiburons, or if you fly over to Europe, it's simply called the coupe (I'm sure you knew that already, no point for me to keep going) Personally I like the Tiburon name a lot better, they can drop the Tuscani if they wanted to <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-01-2005, 05:24 PM
the altima has worse interior appointments than a damn Silverado HD

knicks125
02-01-2005, 05:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the altima has worse interior appointments than a damn Silverado HD </TD></TR></TABLE><p>the first time i went to test drive that car, it looked great on the outside, then i stepped in...whoah...i took a step back and shook the dealer's hand said have a nice day...and i mean that in the nicest way...

Naga Royal Guard
02-01-2005, 05:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the first time i went to test drive that car, it looked great on the outside, then i stepped in...whoah...i took a step back and shook the dealer's hand said have a nice day...and i mean that in the nicest way...</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>i went w/ my dad to look at one and the dealer didnt even open the car

spwolf
02-01-2005, 06:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Are you sure, that's a little too high, they are saying it would be kept similar to the 05 prices...i'd say somewhere between 17k - 21 or 22k<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok, so nobody really knows? I doubt loaded will be 21 when old model is 23k, with a lot less equipment and smaller engine, etc, etc... So 25kish is much better proposition for fully loaded w/o sat nav...<p>And there we come to my problem with new Hyundais, while still well equipped for the prices, it simply isnt an steal anymore... European prices most likely will be even worse, if they slightly raise it that what it is right now, it will be either at level of the rivals or more expensive... But it probably isnt meant for Europe anyway (considering diesel will be 1 year late), although they mention "european" a lot in their press releases...<p>So at best, you get an car thats good, with more equipment than rivals at about same price... What they are aiming to do is build another Honda/Toyota.<p>Nothing wrong with that, but what will take place of "Hyundai" then?

knicks125
02-01-2005, 06:21 PM
check your sources again...the 05 Sonata, top trim, loaded 21,839<p>I think it's a steal (my words - great value) when you can get all these feature standard, even on the base model, heck where are you gonna find a car with EPS, ABS, airbags, traction control for less than 20k?

knicks125
02-01-2005, 07:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing wrong with that, but what will take place of "Hyundai" then?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nothing...Hyundai will remain where they are now, they will still be using a cost leadership strategy on their cars but at quality levels to match and/or exceed when compared to others...do you think Hyundai was kidding around when they said they wanted to become top five by 2010...they've already passed Nissan 7th worldwide, i believe<p>Hyundai does have plans to bring its premium and luxury cars to the US <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>EDIT: just unseated PSA Peugeot Citroen, it's now the world's sixth-ranked vehicle seller as of 2004 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:21 AM 2/2/2005</i>

Dodger
02-01-2005, 07:40 PM
It's funny how fast a company can rebound by building good quality, reliable vehicles. You'd think others would catch on...

deltaz
02-01-2005, 08:10 PM
Right now Toyota and Honda don't need to worry BUT they are watching their rear view mirrors. Hyundai's sales have steadily risen over the last several years. Their latest end of year sales figures for 2004 in the U.S. market is evidence of that fact. <A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aKTNQsfy9kZE&refer=us" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...er=us</A>. Keep in mind that Hyundai has not even started to market the new Sonata so if you believe that consumers aren't yet 'convinced' about the quality of their cars their steadily rising increase in sales each year indicates that they are in fact making progress towards that goal. So what if they use cost (value over price to push market share?) that sounds like an excellent business plan and strategy particularly if you convince one customer at a time that you you build quality cars on a par with your competitors and back it with a great warranty. If this was the Hyundai of old I would definitely have doubts but their sales and market share have been growing consistently unlike the domestics GM and Ford who are steadily losing. Opinions matter little in the world of auto manufacturing, overall sales by the numbers are all that matters at the end of the day.

knicks125
02-01-2005, 08:26 PM
Well said...thank you for being honest.<p>To those Hyundai haters or those who still don't believe in Hyundais, the people who say good things about Hyundai are not associated in any ways with Hyundai, we are simply giving our opinions. There is no reason to argue the flaws of hyundai, numbers back themselves, so don't say no more; plus every single car companies have flaws.<p>Customers pour into Hyundai's dealerships for a reason, they don't just buy a car b/c they have money to throw around, obviously there are factors (ex. quality, value, safety, etc) that are winning those consumers over there. The numbers don't lie, Hyundai has posted postive gains every single month for the past, at least two years, maybe three, or four, the same time when other automakers are slumping at the same time.<p>I realized I have posted some Hyundai stuff in other threads last week, as pointed out by spwolf, I guess I was focusing too much on the new Sonata. I will make the change, but I would like to advise others to take the time, read about the specifics of Hyundai products before giving a mouthful of bashing and pointless/unsupported arguments.<p>Thank you!

Dodger
02-01-2005, 08:42 PM
Amen. I fully agree

EF owner
02-01-2005, 10:21 PM
I just think its nice that there can be a forum with other non-hyun owners that can actually for the most part discuss a hyundai for its good qualities instead of trashing it. And Im seeing more and more forums that have mention of a hyundai model, and I always assume that it is being trashed..but come to find out that nice things are being said about it. I thank all of you non hyundai owners who can come together to discuss one of these cars with some dignity. I used to be afraid to tell other ppl what car I had because of what would follow..but here I can talk freely and actually hear other ppls opinions and praises and not be put down for owning one.

nismo
02-01-2005, 10:48 PM
I love the Sonata but I also love the Altima... if you don't like the Altima I do understand why you wouldn't(especially pre-2005) If you didn't like the interior before you should like it now... with the recent interior redo its on par with Camry and almost the Accord. And the Altima is the fastest in tis class hands down <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> ...sorry had to say it.<p>I believe some one said the new Sonata is going to be priced 1000-1500 more but more will be standard(15,999 current price). I'm expecting it to have prices similar to the Tucson... I can't wait to see this car in person(without the camo). I hope they show the coupe at New York.

Hornbag
02-02-2005, 12:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To those Hyundai haters or those who still don't believe in Hyundais, the people who say good things about Hyundai are not associated in any ways with Hyundai, we are simply giving our opinions. There is no reason to argue the flaws of hyundai, numbers back themselves, so don't say no more; plus every single car companies have flaws.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>As you said, its good to have opinions, your is its a good car, mine is different. I just thought i would say that as you said 'we are simply giving our opinions' then you said 'numbers back themselves, so don't say no more', thats like saying the Toyota Camry is top of its class because it sells more <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> , but in all reality its bland and boring.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> but its all cool dude<p>

knicks125
02-02-2005, 06:09 AM
oh...I was just saying how fast Hyundai is moving up the latter...I just don't think some people can comprehend that so many to find flaws to make them feel better.<p>The funny thing is that I don't even own a Hyundai, although by now I know more about the Sonata and other Hyundai lineup than I do on my own car (Toyota Solara) and the rest of the toyota lineup <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Just wanted to vent on the last post...had a rough day at work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-02-2005, 10:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>EF owner</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just think its nice that there can be a forum with other non-hyun owners that can actually for the most part discuss a hyundai for its good qualities instead of trashing it. And Im seeing more and more forums that have mention of a hyundai model, and I always assume that it is being trashed..but come to find out that nice things are being said about it. I thank all of you non hyundai owners who can come together to discuss one of these cars with some dignity. I used to be afraid to tell other ppl what car I had because of what would follow..but here I can talk freely and actually hear other ppls opinions and praises and not be put down for owning one.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I think that if you look closely you will find that that is the case in most of our threads. Trashing and bashing without intelligent supporting arguments are not permited on CSS, and we do our best to enforce it. Thanks for the compliment.

Naga Royal Guard
02-02-2005, 11:37 AM
of course, if ppl made valid negative points about hyundai products, they get insulted by hyundai fans, but whatever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-02-2005, 11:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">of course, if ppl made valid negative points about hyundai products, they get insulted by hyundai fans, but whatever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed...but that can be said for fans of any automaker..."i'm a toyota fan and proud to be one" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It's the nature of competitveness people have that makes CSS so successful <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-02-2005, 12:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">of course, if ppl made valid negative points about hyundai products, they get insulted by hyundai fans, but whatever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/spam.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>there should be no "ifs" in that sentence :-)

Naga Royal Guard
02-02-2005, 01:29 PM
i agree, trashing other brands people like just because they dont like particular things about a hyundai is uncalled for

deltaz
02-03-2005, 06:43 PM
January's 2005 sales numbers are in and Hyundai has posted a record 10 percent increase in sales over 2004! <A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=30&article_id=9183" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/ar...=9183</A> - Further evidence the automaker is on to something even bigger with the recent launch of the Tucson and upcoming debut of the newly re-designed Sonata. This should leave no doubt to the nay sayers or so-called critics that Hyundai is a player and will be (I predict) a mover and shaker in the upcoming market share battle between Toyota and Honda. <p>Toyota and Honda sure aren't 'worried'. Maybe not today? Sure. Yeah Right.

knicks125
02-03-2005, 07:04 PM
Sonata I believe jumped 23% YOY from Jan 04. Re-took the spot held by the Elantra as the most popular car in the Hyundai linuep (US), at least sales figures are concerned.

knicks125
02-04-2005, 08:04 AM
<A HREF="http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/movie/plaza/ads/nfsonata.mpg" TARGET="_blank">http://worldwide.hyundai-motor...a.mpg</A><p>Don't know when was this shot but just saw it today...looks pretty cool...one of the best car commercials I have seen lately <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
02-13-2005, 01:17 PM
The U.S. domestic release is now being based on the day supply of 05 Sonata's. As previously mentioned, mass production start on March 1, however depending on many 05's dealers have will depend on when then 06 six shows up. If this shows up with old Sonata's in stock, you can anticipate price gouging, something Hyundai doesn't like it's dealers to do too often.

knicks125
02-13-2005, 04:38 PM
Really? I don't know what to say to that news <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I talked to the dealer here where I am, he's expecting delivery of the 06 Sonatas sometimes around late April, early May...can't wait <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
02-13-2005, 05:09 PM
That's probably about right. Dealers have never had a problem moving the current Sonata, so I don't expect much of a delay.

r0b
02-15-2005, 03:22 AM
I read today a presentation of "european" sonata. They said, the ESP and the 17" wheels wil not be standard, and the new CRDi engine with 136 HP will be offered in the beginning of 2006, the NAV won't be derivelable. I guess the standard options depend from country....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by r0b at 7:24 AM 2/15/2005</i>

megadethmartyr
02-15-2005, 08:03 AM
we don't get the NAV here yet either. Hopefully it will hit in the states sooner or later

knicks125
02-18-2005, 01:30 PM
Just got an email from a friend, and he was telling me about the new Lamda engine, so I thought I'd share with you guys <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Pic of the engine inside the Sonata</B>:<p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/238-11975-226674-2450/Lambda.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...a.jpg</A><p><B>Performance chart (hp & torque) & unique features of the engine</B>:<p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/16-12789-251191-4627/P2140039.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...9.JPG</A><p><B>The design and the characteristics of the engine</B>:<p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/16-12789-251191-4628/P2140044.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...4.JPG</A><p>Sources: <I>AutoWeek</I><p>Pics are kinda big so I linked them.

conrad1
02-22-2005, 06:02 AM
<A HREF="http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publish/onemotoring/en/motoring/dreams0/road_test2005/rdtest/hyundai.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/....html</A>

Buster
02-23-2005, 11:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>the first time i went to test drive that car, it looked great on the outside, then i stepped in...whoah...i took a step back and shook the dealer's hand said have a nice day...and i mean that in the nicest way...</TD></TR></TABLE>YOU did not even drive the car?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I still don't get why you put so much emphasis on the door, instead of the whole car and the actual experience of driving it.<br></TD></TR></TABLE>I can't understand how you can pass judgement by just looking at the interior!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">every car has flaws...there's nothing such as perfection...and you just have to deal with that<br></TD></TR></TABLE>Well well..I guess it is okay for you to base your feelings on the Altima solely on the interior's appearance. Yet, you feel compelled to critisize me for not buying the Tiburon because of it's light, cheap feeling doors. It seems to me like this Hyundai fan is quite the hypocrite. I guess that goes with the territory when you are trying to defend inferior cars.

knicks125
02-24-2005, 07:11 AM
oh great...so let's see, you took one post I wrote ages ago in this thread, you took some other quotes in the tibby thread, and another one i don't even remember when i wrote it or where I wrote it, b/c it was so long ago <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>this is not the place to post stuff like this, this is the Sonata thread, pm me if you'd like to voice your opinions</B><p>Just to clear a few things, I test drove that Altima, and I was just joking around with Naga. It was not a pass judgement becuase I was in there for a long time trying to like the interior, I emphasized about the interior with Naga just for fun (so what, life can't be fun anymore <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> ). Almost all of my posts on cars here, I've test drove them, or own the actual car, my opinions are what my thoughts are, after driving them, my own experience, better than people who just talk w/o even had any experience with the car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and lastly i'm not trying to defend inferior cars, in my books, I think the new Sonata is so much better than the Altima, there you happy? I would take it over the Altima (in fact, I probably will <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) <p>Hyundai - Inferior cars? I'll let you think about that...wait, never mind...you did admit you are shallow and ignorant <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You need to chill <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>let's get back to Sonata talks here <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
02-24-2005, 10:46 AM
Every brand has there fan boys. however some are able to acknowledge a different company's achievements and some people aren't. Buster is just not able to. He seems to have the mindset that Hyundai's aren't allowed to improve, to take sales away form Honda and Toyota (won't mention the domestics in there, cause all you have to do to take those sales away is sell to rental companies). Back to the Sonata and all it's glory.

knicks125
02-24-2005, 06:15 PM
Buster, here is an article for your enjoyment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14076" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14076</A><p>still think hyundai cars are inferior <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Buster
02-25-2005, 07:38 PM
I do not think that the new Sonata is anything to get excited over. The styling, IMO is too conservative and outdated. The front and rear look like an old Accord. It is however, an improvement over the last one. The interior is pleasant, although it certainly does not push any design boundaries. I would say that it has a nice compliment of popular features. I think the Sonata will be a competitive entry in its class, where bland, boring, and banal seem to be the willing formula. <br>I certainly believe that Hyundai has improved alot since the eighties. They still have a way to go to catch up to the industry leaders, but I believe that they are getting there. <br>However, to me, the Fusion and Milan are much more attractive designs that I think are desirable. I also don't see people getting out of their Camrys and Accords for this car. Hyundai's calling card is still low prices and everyone knows it. Fair or not, that carries a certain stigma with much of society. I do not think this Hyundai is an aspirational vehicle and that should hurt sales.<p>I do have a hard time comprehending the personal attacks I receive for not drooling over Hyundais. Why so defensive? So I don't like everything you like, big deal. If it makes you feel better to call me names, go ahead. It still won't make the Sonata the best car in the world.<br>

knicks125
02-25-2005, 09:07 PM
a few things to understand here buster, i think the reasons why you've received personal attacks, at least from me, is becuase of your shallow and ignorant judgements. I believe I was talking about the Altima with naga and we were just joking around, so you went ahead made a pass judgement about how i never gave the altima a chance when I did very much so. <B>BTW, no one was getting defensive about Hyundais, and no one said you needed to drool over a Hyundai, as you have seen from the previous page, we weren't even talking about Hyundais, but rather, you were the one who was focusing on the altimas, trying to nit-pick every single part of what I said about the Altima</B><p>With that said, I agree with you to some extent about your statement, only the parts about Hyundai is improving. However, I'd like to point out to you that although milan and fusion might be better in looks (in your views) than the Sonata, it has a lot less power, less standard features, less safety features, and more in price. <B>In my view, I think this'd be my perfect first Hyundai (as you can see, I don't even own a Hyundai - currently) so there'd be no reason for me to offer a bias view, I say what I see. The overall value of the Sonata (price, features, execuctive, usefulness) is better than the Fusion and the Milan - you buy a car not to show off (well some people do) so whatever the car looks like doesn't matter, it's the usefulness that counts (roominess, safety, etc)...this is why Camry is so popular, not b/c it's the hottest looking car, but b/c it is one of the most useful cars out there, and Sonata is by far much more useful car than the Fusion and the Milan, those two don't even come close (the only reason I have these two cars as comparisions b/c you brought them up). Please also do not compare the Fusion and Milan to the Sonata (I'd be happy to help you do a comparsion and show you Fusion and Milan don't even come close), only compare the Sonata to the Camry and Accord, and I will let you figure out why...</B><p>As a final piece of advise, read other people's posts carefully and don't make a snap judgment when you are unclear of the whole story...thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
02-26-2005, 02:51 AM
Saw the prices of Sonata today... You can get a Sonata 2.4 for the price of a 2.0 VW Golf <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> Hard decision <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> The prices are between 24k- 27000$ for the 2.4 version!

knicks125
02-26-2005, 07:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Saw the prices of Sonata today... You can get a Sonata 2.4 for the price of a 2.0 VW Golf <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> Hard decision <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> The prices are between 24k- 27000$ for the 2.4 version!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they announced the prices already for the new Sonata? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Any at rate, I am guessing the prices 24-27k is where you are, right? I was told by my dealer the loaded version of the new Sonata (US) would be somewhere between 23-24k, while starting under 20k, although he wouldn't tell me the exact price range. He did promise me he would get me a "discount" and would notify me when he has them in stock so that would be extra nice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
02-26-2005, 07:42 AM
Yes! The prices are for our country! But this price is for the 2.4, later when the 2.0 comes in sale, the price will be lower!

megadethmartyr
02-26-2005, 12:19 PM
US prices sholdn't go too much over 25K. As far as the discount, wih you best of luck on that man! I am kinda expecting dealers to jack the prices for a few month till they can get a decent day supply

SV
02-26-2005, 12:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>In my view, I think this'd be my perfect first Hyundai (as you can see, I don't even own a Hyundai - currently) so there'd be no reason for me to offer a bias view, I say what I see. The overall value of the Sonata (price, features, execuctive, usefulness) is better than the Fusion and the Milan - you buy a car not to show off (well some people do) so whatever the car looks like doesn't matter, it's the usefulness that counts (roominess, safety, etc)...this is why Camry is so popular, not b/c it's the hottest looking car, but b/c it is one of the most useful cars out there, and Sonata is by far much more useful car than the Fusion and the Milan, those two don't even come close (the only reason I have these two cars as comparisions b/c you brought them up). Please also do not compare the Fusion and Milan to the Sonata (I'd be happy to help you do a comparsion and show you Fusion and Milan don't even come close), only compare the Sonata to the Camry and Accord, and I will let you figure out why...</B> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>although i agree that the sonata is a great car, i don't think the fusion and milan <I>don't</I> deserve to be compared to the sonata. that's just my opinion (IMO i think the sonata is probably better than the ford/mercury but not as much better as you say). i could be wrong though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-26-2005, 01:54 PM
I like your comments and I agree. I believe mine was a bit harsh, i guess what I meant was, IMO fusion and milan do deserve comparsions but are not even in the same league as the Sonata, the Camry, or the Accord. That is not saying the fusion or the milan are bad cars, in fact, they are very nice cars, but I just think the value factor for the three imports (Camry, Sonata, Accord) offer a lot more. <p>Like I said, you don't go out and buy a car that just looks nice (unless you have money to throw around, then you should just go get an enzo or something) and to show off to other people, you buy something that'd be useful for yourself, something that is safe, something that is safe, after riding in the three imports, they offer the all of the above three factors, and value. So far I have not had the same experience in any of their competitors (taurus, altima, malibu, etc)<p><B>I will be test driving the new Sonata, the new Fusion, and the new Milan, and if I am correct, which I believe it would be the case. The new Sonata would offer a lot more than the Fusion and the Milan, not just in the price, not just in its warranty, but more importantly, the number of safety features (ESP, airbags, ABS, etc), the number of standard features, active geometric suspension to make it more sportier and more fun to drive, 0-60 in the high 6s with its new v6 lamda 237hp engine and tons of torque, roommy and near luxury interior, aren't match by any competitors - what more can you ask for. </B>

megadethmartyr
02-26-2005, 02:15 PM
The only thing that is stopping me from immediately buying a Sonata is the TG. Had Hyundai made the NAV an immediate option for the Sonata, the would have been no hesitation. I have check with Fountain Valley, and I(key word, sorry knicks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ) can get a NAV for a Sonata, but it won't be cheap, in which case I may go with the TG (as it sits, will have a NAV option, possibly standard). That is actually a feature I currently must have. Either way (Sonata or TG), I don't see how I can go wrong. Then again, as you all know I am a Hyundai w-h-o-r-e(silly censorship), and proud of it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
02-26-2005, 02:35 PM
really? mega, interesting!<p>could you use your perks and get me a nav version as well, I'd also slap on a special edition in the back...just for the hell of it - it'd be a collectible edition for 2006 model year, just for the two of us <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>j/k...either the Sonata or the TG with NAV would be extra nice

Andre
03-01-2005, 07:16 PM
Noticed this Official Photo:<p><IMG SRC="http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/img/showroom/passenger/sonata/focus/main.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>SONATA HAS QUADRASTEER!!! :D

knicks125
03-01-2005, 07:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Noticed this Official Photo:<p><IMG SRC="http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/img/showroom/passenger/sonata/focus/main.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>SONATA HAS QUADRASTEER!!! :D</TD></TR></TABLE><p>looks like Hyundai picked it up where GM left off <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Andre, got problems with quadrasteer on the Sonata <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>j/k...lol

Ascariss
03-01-2005, 08:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Noticed this Official Photo:<p>SONATA HAS QUADRASTEER!!! :D</TD></TR></TABLE><p>YES! Finally what I always wanted in a sedan. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> Parts of the front remind me of the pre facelifted passat. Hopefully it will be at the show here in vancouver. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-01-2005, 08:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>YES! Finally what I always wanted in a sedan. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> Parts of the front remind me of the pre facelifted passat. Hopefully it will be at the show here in vancouver. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeah...good point there...why aren't new cars (ex. sonata, passat, jetta) shown at every regional/local auto show in the US and canada?

knicks125
03-02-2005, 04:30 PM
I couldn't help to post after reading this at TCL, have a look yourself:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vwlarry</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm around Hyundais every day (work for a dealership). For anyone who is capable of casting-off their blinders and shackles of brand stereotyping and conventional wisdom, and actually TRY the new Hyundais, the surprise, and yes, <I>delight</I>, can sometimes be almost uncanny.<p>These are GOOD cars, folks. <I>Damned</I> good cars.Forget about the "old Hyundai". This company is fixing to eat the lunches of some major players in the automotive game, with great products, excellent reliability and quality, and their well-known excellent warranty coverage.<p>I've said it before and I'll repeat it now: Volkswagen has lost its way in America, partly or mostly because it has forgotten the very principles that put it on the top of the heap at one time. Hyundai, in my estimation, is applying many of the simple basic fundamental business principles that VWoA has forgotten how to do, such as building a good, honest product that served their owners well, at an affordable price, and in so doing, <I>treat the customer with basic respect</I>.<p>Hyundai, in other words, is apparently the Korean word for "People's car. "Volkswagen" has been redefined as German for "Carmaker that doesn't know WHAT it wants to be".</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The person who posted this is a VWvortex (another forum) veteran <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> , it might just be his opinion, and some of you might disagree with him, but I feel this is the (true) rapid progress hyundai is builidng on its cars and for its customers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW: he doesn't work for Hyundai, he's at a multi-line car dealership and Hyundai is one of the five brands there <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>Disclaimer</B>: <I>I did not want to copy in his VW comments, as it is irrelevant here, regardless whether true or not, but it was a good contrast between the two automakers, and it was written by a VW enthuaist so I am not going to argue.</I><p>See vwlarry's post here: <A HREF="http://forums.thecarlounge.net/zerothread?id=1860895" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.thecarlounge.net...60895</A> - thanks in advance <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 9:14 PM 3/2/2005</i>

spwolf
03-02-2005, 05:00 PM
Kind of interesting, but Hyundai is trying to do what VW did - raise their image and sell better cars at higher prices...

knicks125
03-02-2005, 07:22 PM
agreed with the exception that I haven't seen any drastic increases in hyundai's car prices<br>

Andre
03-02-2005, 10:14 PM
I'm with Knicks on this one, the Sonata is selling from 17-24k... Considering the Accord goes from 19-28k that's not very high

megadethmartyr
03-02-2005, 11:54 PM
The basic principle of undercutting the competition, although not as drastic as before, will still be in place.

conrad1
03-03-2005, 03:11 AM
Some Danish journalists have been on the German Autobahn with an NF 2.4l Automatic. Their overall impression was good. Its a huge step upwards compared to the 'old' model.<br>They started the engine and it seems that the engine didn't start. They couldn't hear it and was going to start it again when the noticed that the RPM meter was on. No noice on no vibrations !<br>On the Auobahn they where going between 130-150 Kmh and they verdict is very good for the engine (2.4) and the car itself. The transmission in 2.4 is an old system but in the 3.3l it should be a new electronic transmission.<p>What they didn't like was the radio. The model they have tested was the same as this picture. <br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/hyundai/sonata/03-large/05-dash.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...h.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/hyundai/sonata/03-large/05-dash.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>It looks like something from the 80's. It's this stuff that we will get in Denmark <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Top Secret
03-03-2005, 04:24 AM
The single DIN radio does look fairly cheap doesn't it? It would've really helped if the radio was actually the same colour as the rest of the interior - just looks like an aftermarket addition.

spwolf
03-03-2005, 05:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>conrad1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some Danish journalists have been on the German Autobahn with an NF 2.4l Automatic. Their overall impression was good. Its a huge step upwards compared to the 'old' model.<br>They started the engine and it seems that the engine didn't start. They couldn't hear it and was going to start it again when the noticed that the RPM meter was on. No noice on no vibrations !<br>On the Auobahn they where going between 130-150 Kmh and they verdict is very good for the engine (2.4) and the car itself. The transmission in 2.4 is an old system but in the 3.3l it should be a new electronic transmission.<p>What they didn't like was the radio. The model they have tested was the same as this picture. <br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/hyundai/sonata/03-large/05-dash.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...h.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/H/hyundai/sonata/03-large/05-dash.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>It looks like something from the 80's. It's this stuff that we will get in Denmark <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That 4car test that you pulled the pic from wasnt that positive, basically it said it was good improvement, but it is too much of american car (suspension, engines, design) and rated it ok 3/5 stars... They did reccomend AT because then the car feels like it should (comfy cruiser) even if it is slower...

knicks125
03-03-2005, 08:15 AM
spwolf is correct being too much of an american car. Considering the harsh critism the european reviews generally throw, a three out of five is pretty good, and this car isn't really made for europe, one thing being disel isn't even offered at launch (will be next year I think)<p>oh yeah, it's just a car review from a critic, just like a critic of anything, the best way to agree or disagree is to go out and do your own <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>oh BTW, european reviews are generally biased toward their own and not always objective toward non european origin cars, example, have a look at the Top Gear's review of American made cars and you will see why<p>Personally I don't care and am not persuaded by any reviews, regardless of THEIR origin, I part with tests conducted by government approved facilities <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

conrad1
03-03-2005, 10:26 AM
The critics in Denmark haven't had that much faith into Hyundai and Kia earlier but it is changing.<br>I have a Sonata from 2000 and its a great car and not so expensive compared to the european cars and still it has almost the same equipment and Hyundai has continued this value for money concept and I think its great. <br>The NF will be introduced in 1 week here and i will test drive the 2.4 the day before the introduction. I'm still missing details on the equipment and the dealers doesn't have any clue of how the NF is equiped yet.<br>But in a way i have allready made up my mind. I'll probably buy this great looking car and my vallet can afford it. <p>

knicks125
03-03-2005, 09:03 PM
Nothing to worry about folks...just the news that Korea is getting the V6 3.3 version <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> - good for its domestic market <p>For you enjoyment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>---------------------------<p>Hyundai Motor to Unveil New NF Sonata in Korea Before U.S. Debut <p>SEOUL, March 4 (Yonhap) -- Hyundai Motor Co., South Korea's biggest automaker, plans to unveil a more powerful Sonata sedan in South Korea in early April, about one month ahead of its scheduled debut in the United States, an industry source said Friday.<p>The release of the NF Sonata, equipped with a 3,300-cc engine, is expected to grab a bigger slice of domestic premium sedan market, the source said. <p>Hyundai Motor has been scheduled to begin selling the new model in the United States in May to take on Toyota's Camry and Honda's Accord in the world's biggest automobile market. <p>Since mid-2004, Hyundai Motor has sold NF Sonata sedans using 2,000-cc and 2,400-cc engines in South Korea. <p>Prices for the new NF Sonata model will be announced closer to its release, according to the source. The current NF Sonata ranges<br>from 16.25 million won to 23.3 million won ($16,100 to $23,000).

knicks125
03-04-2005, 11:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Consumer Reports</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>The 2004 Hyundai Sonata was the single best vehicle, with only two reported problems per 100 vehicles</B>. Subaru was the single best brand, averaging eight problems per 100. Long-time reliability leader Honda fell to second, with an average of nine problems per 100 vehicles.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow, what a jump by the Sonata, major improvements overall by Hyundai, Great Job!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Sources:<p>Consumer Reports - <A HREF="http://www.consumerreports.org/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.consumerreports.org/</A><br>CNN - <A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/04/pf/autos/bc.autos.survey.reut/" TARGET="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/0...reut/</A><br>

deltaz
03-05-2005, 12:01 AM
This is has been very well documented fact within the last two years. Seems critics of this brand may not be willing to see that Hyundai is producing fine quality automobile and is able to compete with the best of the best.

Andre
03-05-2005, 03:09 AM
Actually, I've seen a lot of people acknowledge that Hyundai has made leaps and bound. but they, and I agree with them, feel the Sonata could be tons better in terms of useability. he same with all their cars. I've met quite a few Hyundai buyers from MY01 on who are beyond pleased with their cars, but I still hear complaints, complaints like "The stereo fels like somthing from the 80s" "The paint has some factory blemishes, it's too thick here for one" :The interior design is too utilitarian" "the seat is too stiff"<p>So while quality has improved dramatically, the cars work well, there are still some things Hyndai needs to address. I think part of the reason the TG and Sonata have been such a hot topic is because people realize this, and we're hoping that those minor material quirks have been eliminated So the car is better than any of the others there. I think we all have a respect for Hyudai, and thos now bashing it are saying things along the line of "I was anticipating this car so much and it's to boring I could scream, what a let down" I have not heard muh (much) "It's a Hyundai, what a piece of junk"

deltaz
03-05-2005, 07:07 AM
Andre - excellent points all around. What I am saying is that there are still some lingering preceptions about the brand. However the fact that they have the newly re-designed Sonata and the brand new TG being introduced is going to change that IMO.<p>But there always the doubters. In one sense the critics are always right especially as it applies to Hyundai's designs. It means they are indeed noticing Hyundai's progress.

megadethmartyr
03-06-2005, 01:28 PM
Fortunately you guys all realize that the turn around Hyundai is pulling off isn't done overnight. On that same note, Hyundai is well on target for hitting it's million a year goal by 2010. Especially with what is coming out over the next few years.

knicks125
03-09-2005, 09:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fortunately you guys all realize that the turn around Hyundai is pulling off isn't done overnight. On that same note, Hyundai is well on target for hitting it's million a year goal by 2010. Especially with what is coming out over the next few years.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Great point there, Mega. I think Hyundai will reach that goal and become one of the top five automakers in the world (shouldn't be a big problem as it currently sits at #6 in the world)<p>

knicks125
03-09-2005, 09:02 AM
Probably the toughest market for Hyundai to sell its cars...<p><A HREF="http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050309/300400000020050309195946E1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://english.yna.co.kr/Engne....html</A><p>Hyundai Motor to Sell NF Sonata in Japan from August<br>SEOUL, March 9 (Yonhap) -- Hyundai Motor Co., South Korea's largest automobile manufacturer, is to release its NF Sonata sedan for sale in Japan in August in an effort to boost sales in the country, an industry source said Wednesday.<p>Hyundai hopes the new Sonata will help it boost its sales there to more than 4,000 cars this year from 2,673 units last year, the source said.<p><B>Yonhap News</B>

knicks125
03-09-2005, 09:04 AM
is it just me or is north america the last place for hyundai to release its new sonata (nf)?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
03-09-2005, 09:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is it just me or is north america the last place for hyundai to release its new sonata (nf)?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>OTE launches fifth generation Hyundai Sonata</B> <p>Interesting article: <A HREF="http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=11846&pn=business" TARGET="_blank">http://www.timesofoman.com/new...iness</A>

knicks125
03-09-2005, 01:10 PM
no offense or anything to other markets, but is north america one of the last to get the new sonata (nf), even though it is the biggest market by far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
03-09-2005, 01:19 PM
I'm not sure for all countries, but the NF will be on sale in Europe in april

knicks125
03-09-2005, 01:30 PM
oh okay...so also europe should be included. Maybe there are some kind of restrictions in placed, or probably working the bugs out, but I just think NA and Europe should get the Sonata before UAE or India, two places I know have just went on sale. Not that UAW or India are small markets, by no means, but I just think NA and Europe are larger markets<p>In the US, it is excusable b/c the new Sonata is going to come from a new plant, for the first time, so Hyundai is trying to work out the bugs before they get the cars out to the dealers, and continue the Sonata as the most reliable car in the US, but in other places, what's the hold up, I wonder?<p>BTW, I have been told that the new plant has already hundreds of the new Sonata produced so it's a matter of waiting game now, which dealers would get the first Sonata would depend on how fast the 05s get cleared out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I guess I am looking for <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

hunbin11
03-09-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no offense or anything to other markets, but is north america one of the last to get the new sonata (nf), even though it is the biggest market by far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Instead, you are getting more rigorously debugged cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-10-2005, 05:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hunbin11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Instead, you are getting more rigorously debugged cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes true <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-10-2005, 03:16 PM
<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050310/lath017_2.html" TARGET="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050310/lath017_2.html</A>

jberrer
03-10-2005, 03:52 PM
That was great!! Keep those articles comming <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
03-11-2005, 12:33 AM
Afta lookin at the car again. Im finally seeing the new Hyundai. Im slowly getting away from dat image or cheepness. And for the record, it is an OK looking car!

Ascariss
03-11-2005, 10:14 AM
13 pages of discussion, who would have guessed, you people make me sick. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
03-11-2005, 10:35 AM
I know, when did CSS turn into a big Hyundai love-fest? Nothing against the brand, but Akita would be proud.

jberrer
03-11-2005, 10:46 AM
These forums are about the cars of the future... Hyundai will be a huge part of it - get used to it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
03-11-2005, 12:06 PM
Look what I've started bwahahahaha!

fuzzunit
03-11-2005, 05:28 PM
For USA: Hyundai has a sweepstakes where you can win a Sonata (http://2006sonatasweepstakes.hyundaiusa.com/). In the "official rules" (http://2006sonatasweepstakes.hyundaiusa.com/rules.html) it says the prize is a "2006 Hyundai Sonata LX equipped with 5-speed Shiftronic™ automatic transmission, and 3.3 Liter V6 engine. The approximate retail value of this vehicle is $24,300." Think that's the final price for their top model?

megadethmartyr
03-11-2005, 11:09 PM
I hadn't noticed this before, but the 5-speed auto with the V6's is listed as "available". Could we actually have a chance at getting this with a stick? Stay tuned, I'll find out.<p><br>Never mind what I've typed, no stick on the V6