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Naga Royal Guard
11-01-2004, 01:37 PM
<IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02144.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02145.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02146.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02151.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02152.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02153.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02154.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: clublexus forums<p>Wheelbase: 112.2 in.<br>Length: 189.8 in.<br>Width: 71.7 in.<br>Height: 56.1 in.<br>Engines: 3.0 liter V6 - 245 hp; 228 lb.-ft. of torque<br>4.3 liter V8 - 300 hp; 325 lb.-ft. of torque<br>Transmission: 6-speed sequential automatic<br>-clublexus forums

Naga Royal Guard
11-01-2004, 01:38 PM
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jro4566
12-20-2004, 08:00 PM
I really like the interior.

SV
12-20-2004, 08:30 PM
i like the whole car. lexus has really gotten their design down with this one (they fixed up the ES really good too; IMO i didnt like the styling before the facelift)

LEXUS FAN!
12-20-2004, 08:49 PM
today i went to the lexus headquarters and there was a red 2006 LEXUS GS...i am not sure whether it was a 300 or a 430

Chickpig
12-20-2004, 09:56 PM
my dealer in singapore said that the car would arrive end january here.

Flagship
12-21-2004, 03:19 PM
White GS300 AWD...<br><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/index.php/article/articleview/2474/1/10" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/index.../1/10</A>/<p>If you look at the 18th picture you will notice that the front passenger seat has 3 memory seat settings. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

RetroJapan
12-21-2004, 03:35 PM
A few new pics:<p><IMG SRC="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041221/capt.tok10312210842.japan_toyota_tok103.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041221/i/r1976572936.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041221/i/r646533603.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>SOURCE: Reuters<p>Lexus just recently announced that when the Lexus brand debuts in Japan next August, there will be 3 vehicles on sale: The next gen GS, next gen IS, and the current SC. The LS will join the Japanese Lexus stable when the all new model debuts in the summer of 2006.<br> <br>Also, it has been confirmed that a GS hybrid will go on sale in 2006, and this will subsequently be the first Lexus hybrid to go on sale in Japan (we get the RX hybrid next April; will be sold as the Toyota Harrier hybrid in Japan)<br> <br><A HREF="http://response.jp/issue/2004/1221/article66568_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://response.jp/issue/2004/....html</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RetroJapan at 2:47 PM 12/21/2004</i>

zwei Biere bitte
12-21-2004, 03:55 PM
So if Japan is getting a new IS next August, does that mean we can expect to see the new one unveiled in the next few months?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

jro4566
12-21-2004, 05:08 PM
I sometimes wish I lived in California...

knihc2008
12-21-2004, 05:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if Japan is getting a new IS next August, does that mean we can expect to see the new one unveiled in the next few months?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>normally, lexus has had a quick debut to sale time; only the RX hybrid and this GS have taken more than a couple months. i wouldn't be surprised if the IS was debuted at new york in march and then put on sale by august. seems about right to me.

Naga Royal Guard
12-21-2004, 08:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">today i went to the lexus headquarters and there was a red 2006 LEXUS GS...i am not sure whether it was a 300 or a 430</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>the rims, were thay many spokes ( more than 5) or just 5?

E36
12-21-2004, 08:33 PM
The latest gen GS is gorgeous <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> and it seems to re-capture Giugairo's styling of the 1st gen GS, especially the rear <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/261000-261999/261259_2_full.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/261000-261999/261259_9_full.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/261000-261999/261259_3_full.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/261000-261999/261259_6_full.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/261000-261999/261259_10_full.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://users.deshong.net/~carlos/Car%20Shows/Car%20Show%2010-30/DSC02144.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by E36 at 2:32 AM 12/23/2004</i>

LEXUS FAN!
12-21-2004, 09:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>the rims, were thay many spokes ( more than 5) or just 5?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i know that, but i wasn't able to tell...there was another car next to it<p>it is prob. the 430 since the old pic. of it was a 5 spoke

Chickpig
12-22-2004, 04:02 AM
look out for the launch of the japan lexus website on the 1st of january.<br><A HREF="http://lexus.jp/" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp/</A>

jro4566
12-22-2004, 08:36 AM
Off-topic: What will the Lexus Japan lineup consist of? Are they moving the Crown Athlete and Majesta there too?

Naga Royal Guard
12-22-2004, 08:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jro4566</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Off-topic: What will the Lexus Japan lineup consist of? Are they moving the Crown Athlete and Majesta there too?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>nah, its going to be the GS alone for some time, then the IS in autumn; toyotas will remain toyotas and lexus will strive to be different ; it will be interesting to see what becomes of the Celsior ( LS 430 ) for JDM <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0">

E36
12-22-2004, 09:17 AM
Once the premium brand Lexus is launched at Japanese domestic market in 2005,<br>there will no longer be any Toyota Aristo.......Rather, it will be.the first lexus series (GS) available in Japan. Actually, Toyota has already upgraded the brand new Crown Majesta as the flagship ultra luxury sedan of Toyota with a 4.3 V8.......Previously, the crown majesta equipped with a 4.0 V8 still outsold Celsior (LS) which got a 4.3 V8 . Crown got a far longer history and prestige as a premium luxury car in Japan for almost 4 decades.So when people consider ultra-luxury car produced by toyota, they go for Crown Majesta not Celsior. Toyota wants to uphold the premium image of Lexus globally, therefore removing Celsior and other series from the Toyota badge. <br>Some people might doubt why it is Crown Majesta (V8 4.3) not Century (5.0 V12) that becomes the flagship As Century is too exotic, just available for the Japanese Royal family, Top Tycoons and Japanese Embassy, Crown Majesta is the only ultra-luxury at the top of Toyota's lineup. Crown Royal and Crown Athelte (V6 2.5/3.0) will come second. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by E36 at 2:10 AM 12/23/2004</i>

Santeno
12-22-2004, 10:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JONNY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice car but i think it wont bother the 5 series <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Really, because if i recall correctly the last onegave the previous 5 a run for it's money (as well as eating into it's sales).

E36
12-23-2004, 01:04 AM
Putting aside the exotic Century (5.0 V12), the toyota ultra-luxury line-up will be as follows:<B><br>Crown Majesta (4.3 V8)</B><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownmajesta/grade_val/images/gr_val01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Crown Royal</B><B>2.5/3.0 V6</B><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownroyal/exterior/images/ex02_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownroyal/interior/images/int01_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownroyal/interior/images/int02_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Crown Athlete</B><B>2.5/3.0 V6</B><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/exterior/images/ex02_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/interior/images/int01_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/interior/images/int02_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>and the <B>Mark X</B> <br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/markx/exterior/images/ex00_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/markx/color/images/colb_02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/markx/interior/images/int01_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/markx/interior/images/int02_prv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>, a long established sports sedan for 2 decades by Toyota (with <B>2.5/3.0 V6)</B>available with RWD/ AWD will fill up the place of sports sedan of both Aristo (GS) and Altezza(IS)<p>Btw, apart from LS and SC, all other toyota RWD sedans with a 2.5/3.0 V6 or even 4.3 V8 are developed on the same platform of crown. (either stretched or shortened)<br>So even Mark X has such a long wheel base with 2.85m long and a roomy interior.<p><br><i>Modified by E36 at 8:37 AM 12/23/2004</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by E36 at 8:39 AM 12/23/2004</i>

Naga Royal Guard
12-23-2004, 02:41 PM
E36, you forgot the Celsior ( LS 430 ) and Crown Zero

Santeno
12-23-2004, 03:16 PM
Sorry E36, but as far as i know, even in Japan, Toyota's Lexus brand will be assuming the role as purveyor of high-end luxury vehicles. That doesn't mean that Toyota will stop branding vehicles like the Century and Crown (which have a very long brand history as toyota's), but I wouldn't expect too much future emphasis on the making of toyota branded luxury vehicles - even in Japan.

anonms
12-23-2004, 05:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">E36, you forgot the Celsior ( LS 430 ) and Crown Zero</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Celsior's gonna go bye-bye and the Crown Zero is basically new Crown generation (Royal, Athlete, and (i think) Majesta).

spwolf
12-24-2004, 11:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry E36, but as far as i know, even in Japan, Toyota's Lexus brand will be assuming the role as purveyor of high-end luxury vehicles. That doesn't mean that Toyota will stop branding vehicles like the Century and Crown (which have a very long brand history as toyota's), but I wouldn't expect too much future emphasis on the making of toyota branded luxury vehicles - even in Japan.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Except for Celsior which should go away when new LS comes in, Toyota will still go with their Crown series as usual. They have publicitly stated they do not mind if there comes to internal competion and there has to come to some kind of competition since currently Toyota holds 45% of Japan's market (November was 50%).<p>Again, Toyota does not mind competition, they already have plenty of it in their 5 brand dealer network in Japan right now...

Toxic
12-24-2004, 06:58 PM
Awsome, I really like how they put two seprate lights next to the grill, on the lex.

E36
12-26-2004, 05:44 PM
wanna share with you guys about the mechanism of the luxury sedans released by Toyota since late 2003 onwards. <br>Basically the configuration is <B>RWD/ AWD</B>, powered by a <B>V6 2.5 /3.0 </B>, sharing the same platform of <B>Crown (Athlete/ Royal/ Majesta/ Mark X/ GS series/ IS series)</B>, either stretched/ shortened.<br>Have a look at the skeleton photo of Crown Athlete, the engine is mounted behind the front axis.<p><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/mechanism/images/p01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/mechanism/images/p02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/mechanism/images/p03.jpg" BORDER="0"> 3GR-FSE<br>DisplacementF2.994L<br>Maximum PowermNETnF188kWm256PSn/6,200r.p.m.<br>Maximum TorquemNETnF314NEmm32.0kgEmn/3,600r.p.m. <br><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/mechanism/images/p03.jpg" BORDER="0">4GR-FSE<br>DisplacementF2.499L<br>Maximum PowermNETnF158kWm215PSn/6,400r.p.m.<br>Maximum TorquemNETnF260NEmm26.5kgEmn/3,800r.p.m.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by E36 at 12:52 AM 12/27/2004</i>

CPWerks
12-26-2004, 06:39 PM
Here are a couple of new pics that i ran on....sorry if they are repost, but i don't think they are.<p><br><IMG SRC="http://img159.exs.cx/img159/7514/aau1tq.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img159.exs.cx/img159/9116/untitled9ty.jpg" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
12-26-2004, 06:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>E36</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wanna share with you guys about the mechanism of the luxury sedans released by Toyota since late 2003 onwards. <br>Basically the configuration is <B>RWD/ AWD</B>, powered by a <B>V6 2.5 /3.0 </B>, sharing the same platform of <B>Crown (Athlete/ Royal/ Majesta/ Mark X/ GS series/ IS series)</B>, either stretched/ shortened.<br>Have a look at the skeleton photo of Crown Athlete, the engine is mounted behind the front axis.<p><IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/mechanism/images/p01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>this would explain the rather long hood on the Mark-X, also reduces front overhang <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>its similar to the nissan FM, the Z8 had a really good version of it too

Hornbag
12-27-2004, 04:19 PM
I just recieved my first look of the GS from Lexus. 'dont look back, rear view camera standard!' wow! Lexus have won over me. I dislike Toyota but if Toyotas can be this good looking, well there might be a Toyota/Lexus in my garage when i can drive, next to my Ford! This thing looks amazing, the rear end is so crisp, the front is very bright and fresh, and the inside is breathtaking! WOW, i love the GS300/GS430!

LEXUS FAN!
12-27-2004, 10:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just recieved my first look of the GS from Lexus. 'dont look back, rear view camera standard!' wow! Lexus have won over me. I dislike Toyota but if Toyotas can be this good looking, well there might be a Toyota/Lexus in my garage when i can drive, next to my Ford! This thing looks amazing, the rear end is so crisp, the front is very bright and fresh, and the inside is breathtaking! WOW, i love the GS300/GS430!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>where did you get your first look?

Hornbag
12-30-2004, 04:27 PM
I mean in a brochure. Im in sum lexus club thing cos i orded a brochure about the RX330, so i got sent it. In the brochure they say 'dont look back, even when reversing your still ahead' or sumthing like dat. Nice car anyway.

Naga Royal Guard
12-30-2004, 08:36 PM
dude, if it was about the RX why did you post it in the GS thread? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

FeetofFlames
12-30-2004, 09:16 PM
<IMG SRC="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/crownathlete/mechanism/images/p01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This roofline screams W221 S-Class<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/s/sedan_wall_2_main.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Oh who am I kidding, the whole car is a rip off of the S<p>

GSturb0
12-30-2004, 10:58 PM
FeetofFlames, who cares, it's not like you can afford either of those cars.<br>

JBlair
12-30-2004, 11:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GSturb0</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FeetofFlames, who cares, it's not like you can afford either of those cars.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>What a nice, underhanded and completely inappropriate comment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

GSturb0
12-30-2004, 11:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What a nice, underhanded and completely inappropriate comment <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>If you have a problem then PM me.

LEXUS FAN!
12-31-2004, 01:09 AM
autospies.com has some great new pics of it at the san diego auto show...the first real interior shots...they are detailed...they are great<p><A HREF="http://www2.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3790" TARGET="_blank">http://www2.autospies.com/arti...=3790</A><p><A HREF="http://www2.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3790" TARGET="_blank">http://www2.autospies.com/arti...=3790</A>

Top Secret
12-31-2004, 03:12 AM
Autolies...don't mention that dreadful, idiotic place to me. I hate that place.<p>Anyhoo, I don't mind the GS. I like the front, it looks edgy and aggressive with its lights, but then the rear really looks weird to me..it just looks..well, random.

Santeno
12-31-2004, 09:10 AM
Top Secret is right Lexus Fan. Autolies and all their garbage (as well as Reichel Crap Design and the holywood extra) are Personae Non-Grata at css. Please do not post anything from either of those sources.

Chickpig
12-31-2004, 10:19 AM
<A HREF="http://lexus.jp" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp</A>/ is open! go to gs section gallery for some nice pictures!<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:41 PM 12/31/2004</i>

spwolf
12-31-2004, 10:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://lexus.jp" TARGET="_blank">http://lexus.jp</A>/ is open! go to gs section gallery for some nice pictures!<p><br><i>Modified by Santeno at 12:41 PM 12/31/2004</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, GS350 :-)

LEXUS FAN!
12-31-2004, 11:33 AM
what is the big deal that i posted pictures from there...who cares? get over your little things about it...<p>they are great pictures

KebabGud
12-31-2004, 01:06 PM
omg!<br>has there been any news about the GS350 ? og did they realy screw up here? <br>thats so cool<br>i noticed that the IS an SC site is not up yet .. <br>so theres goingt op be a new SC soon to?

Flagship
12-31-2004, 03:15 PM
GS 350? Does this mean that it will have around 270 hp?

Naga Royal Guard
12-31-2004, 05:21 PM
the 3.0 is Direct Inject, so i thaught that would have been used in EU and Japan<p>im thinking the 3.5 is a Di version of the avalon 3.5 so it makes about 290 hp, almost overlapping the 300 expected from the 430, i think there will be an update to the 4.3, i HOPE thats the case, maybe about 320 hp; that thing is fast regardless

Hornbag
12-31-2004, 06:39 PM
<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude, if it was about the RX why did you post it in the GS thread? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>OK, let me refrase.<p>When the RX was first released in Australia i ordered a brochure. Since then i recieve all this info and crap like dat from Lexus, and it just so happened that i got sent a brochure of the GS. So what im actually talking about it the GS, not the RX. The GS is the nice one, the only Lexus i like. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-01-2005, 07:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 3.0 is Direct Inject, so i thaught that would have been used in EU and Japan<p>im thinking the 3.5 is a Di version of the avalon 3.5 so it makes about 290 hp, almost overlapping the 300 expected from the 430, i think there will be an update to the 4.3, i HOPE thats the case, maybe about 320 hp; that thing is fast regardless</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am thinking they might have 350 in Japan as something better than 3.0 engine found in Toyota sedans (Crown/MarkX, etc), to give Lexus more HP since it will cost more. Some reports say it will make 300hp in GS, they can certainly do that - make it more agressive that setup in Avalon.<p>I still dont know why are they then using 3.0 in the US since it makes more sense to use 3.5 engine.... As to the Europe, 3.0 is what will be needed, although they might also have 3.5 engine as well, just to bring more options to the market that is used to many options... Maybe that will happen in US as well...<p>In that case, 4.3 will need a bit more of perceived power, just to make it look different. Even though current 4.3 with 300hp and 330lbs of torque will be plenty more powerful than V6

Naga Royal Guard
01-01-2005, 11:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, let me refrase.<p>When the RX was first released in Australia i ordered a brochure. Since then i recieve all this info and crap like dat from Lexus, and it just so happened that i got sent a brochure of the GS. So what im actually talking about it the GS, not the RX. The GS is the nice one, the only Lexus i like. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, let me refrase.<p>When the RX was first released in Australia i ordered a brochure. Since then i recieve all this info and crap like dat from Lexus, and it just so happened that i got sent a brochure of the GS. So what im actually talking about it the GS, not the RX. The GS is the nice one, the only Lexus i like. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok understood <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am thinking they might have 350 in Japan as something better than 3.0 engine found in Toyota sedans (Crown/MarkX, etc), to give Lexus more HP since it will cost more. Some reports say it will make 300hp in GS, they can certainly do that - make it more agressive that setup in Avalon.<p>I still dont know why are they then using 3.0 in the US since it makes more sense to use 3.5 engine.... As to the Europe, 3.0 is what will be needed, although they might also have 3.5 engine as well, just to bring more options to the market that is used to many options... Maybe that will happen in US as well...<p>In that case, 4.3 will need a bit more of perceived power, just to make it look different. Even though current 4.3 with 300hp and 330lbs of torque will be plenty more powerful than V6</TD></TR></TABLE><p> the 3uz-fe ( yay i remembered its code## ) was introed in 2000, for an 06 model it would make sense to upgrade it ( i would have thaught a rebore would be in order ) since Toyota isnt prone to the "nissan -style" random 40 hp jumps for no credible reason ( unless the upgrade from base DOHC to VVT-i w/ the GX ) the GS always had 10 hp over the LS because of its slightly more aggressive exhausts<p><br>just when i thaught toyota's engine researche was focused on their upcoming hybrid powerplants, the bring the 3.5 to market <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>regardless, i agree that they should offer all 3 engines in europe ( and a 2.5, but that aint happenin) but i think the 350 would be the only 6 cylinder <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> they should put the diesel engine to really awe the press<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 1:18 PM 1/1/2005</i>

spwolf
01-01-2005, 03:50 PM
heh, dont worry - Toyota is huge... They will still continue to add petrol/diesel engines to the mix, hybrid option is just an added bonus.<p>IS is getting that new 2.2 180 hp diesel engine, while GS and LS will probably get V6 diesel eventually, but that will probably wait until well into 2006...<p>Cant wait to see that new diesel in action, it is going into Corolla Verso and Avensis somewhere around summer this year, two versions - 140hp and 170hp.

LEXUS FAN!
01-09-2005, 03:05 PM
lexus has a new site for the GS<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com</A>/

Flagship
01-09-2005, 03:29 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo! The U.S gets the 3.0 noooo why Lexus why <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-09-2005, 04:11 PM
critical screwup for Lexus i guess, but that minisite has been there

anonms
01-09-2005, 04:39 PM
According to some other sources, US gets the 350 and 460 either for 2007 or for facelift.

Naga Royal Guard
01-09-2005, 05:01 PM
why not now? what is wrong with Lexus product planners

KebabGud
01-09-2005, 10:02 PM
at lest the new GS300 is a v6 and not a cast iron inline-6<br>and lets not forget the GS450h ... <br>mor info at NYAS....

scorpio14
01-10-2005, 12:23 AM
Japan hasnt released how powerful the GS350 will be have they?? (too lazy to look bak in the forum)<p>If the GS300 produces 180-90Kw then the GS350 would have to produce.....well at least 220kW.....and aint the GS430 only like 225kW??<p>For those who get the GS350 and GS430...they should get the GS350 because its performance would be similar to the V8 model and it would be cheaper when it comes to filling the petrol....thats my opinion...<p>STILL like alot of pplz have said earlier Y dont we get the GS350??<p>like i said i havent read the other posts so if the answers to any of this is in this Forum...please inform me

spwolf
01-10-2005, 06:46 AM
Lexus in Japan probably gets it first since they want to start on a different note than Toyota vehicles and they probably dont sell many V8 models in any case.<p>Reason why in USA got 3.0L is probably because:<br>a. it is available right now<br>b. it is an awesome engine in its own right<br>c. it needs bigger V8 next to it before it starts selling.<p>In any case, I personally would get 3.0 over 3.5 engine anyway...

anonms
01-10-2005, 07:57 AM
Something else I heard was that Lexus starts selling in Japan in August and we might get the 3.5 when the GS launches in Japan instead.

KebabGud
01-10-2005, 08:53 AM
<A HREF="http://www.lexus.jp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.jp</A> ... &lt;-- GS350 ..

Denali
01-11-2005, 02:53 AM
M-B e class, BMW 5 series, Infiniti g series, jag s types, gonna have some problemz

LEXUS FAN!
01-14-2005, 04:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">M-B e class, BMW 5 series, Infiniti g series, jag s types, gonna have some problemz</TD></TR></TABLE><p>big time<p>some new pictures, plus a screen cap of the lexus press conference where it shows the GS 450h symbol<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137996&page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...age=3</A><p>watch the press conference here<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/autoshow/livecammain.htm?zone=page2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/autoshow/...page2</A><p>it talks about specifs on the RX400h, plus a few details about the GS450h.

southjersey600r
01-14-2005, 07:22 PM
Id thought Lexus would have jumped over the 300hp mark with the car being that it seems every car company is at horse power wars.

kevinb120
01-14-2005, 08:23 PM
Stop me if you heard this one, A BMW and a Maxima have sex............<p>

LEXUS FAN!
01-14-2005, 09:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>southjersey600r</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Id thought Lexus would have jumped over the 300hp mark with the car being that it seems every car company is at horse power wars. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lexus doesn't focus so much on the numbers b/c if you notice their cars don't have as much hp as the competition, but it is still in the same area of 0-60, which is b/c of the way they build their cars<p>however, they are starting to put more hp in their cars b/c they jumped the hp of the GX from 230 to 270.

Denali
01-15-2005, 01:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Lexus doesn't focus so much on the numbers b/c if you notice their cars don't have as much hp as the competition, but it is still in the same area of 0-60, which is b/c of the way they build their cars<p>however, they are starting to put more hp in their cars b/c they jumped the hp of the GX from 230 to 270.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i like the GS but they REALLY need the hp, the competition is killing them

spwolf
01-15-2005, 04:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i like the GS but they REALLY need the hp, the competition is killing them</TD></TR></TABLE><p>why? published (often understated by Lexus) figures for 0-60 for 3.0 is 6.8 sec, which is 1 sec less than before, and for 4.3 engine is 5.8 secs... Pretty fast.<p>In fact, it is impressive that new car is a lot bigger, with substantially bigger wheelbase, more equipment and weights the same as old car.<p>BTW, I was over at clublexus checkin Canadian published prices for GS and it seems it will be only $1.5k more expensive than before, which means it will start at 42k.<p>So for 1.5k more you get (standard features not avail. standard before):<br>- 3.0 245hp engine<br>- 6 speed auto<br>- hill assist start<br>- 10 airbags<br>- leather interior, with power/memory driver and passanger<br>- heated seats<br>- 240W 10 speaker stereo with cd charger<br>- 17" wheels<br>- HID's<br>- smart key system<br>- push button start<p>Only leather and HID's used to cost 2.3k more, so it turns out that new GS will be priced attractivly. Also, AWD will be some 1.5k more than base version and 4.3 V8 will be 3.2k more expensive than before with standard features such as VDIM (brand new electronic ESP system), AVS both front and back (adaptive suspension), 18" wheels, HIDS with AFLS, etc.

Andrey
01-15-2005, 06:04 PM
How is it possible that JDM Lexus will have 290hp and even more in V8 version if Japanese law says that no car can have more than 280hp???<br>Did they changed the law?

Soul Man
01-15-2005, 07:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andrey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How is it possible that JDM Lexus will have 290hp and even more in V8 version if Japanese law says that no car can have more than 280hp???<br>Did they changed the law?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>the whole 276 hp thing was more of an agreement with japan and its automakers, from what i understand, and was terminated essentially when honda brought tthe newlegend there (acura RL) and announced it made 300 hp, again from what i understand. <br>Plus for NA and other markets it still would have made 290 hp if the 276 thing was still followed, they just would have lied in japan and said it made 276, soemthing that is not uncommon, an example beign the nissan equivalent of the q45, which in NA makes 340 hp and in Japan, with little to know changes to the engine made 276hp

Andrey
01-15-2005, 07:38 PM
yeah like Supra had 280 or 276 horses in Japan and 330 in US/Europe<br>I hope that old law is not law any more cause 280hp is nothing nowadays

Tman2
01-16-2005, 03:52 AM
Very good point. Look at how quick a 290hp LS430 is. HP is not the only determining factor in top speed/acceleration. Properly-spaced transmission gearing and shift management (in an auto) will make a big difference in acceleration. A lot of people just think if car A has more horsepower than car B, well then, car A will be faster.

KaRaceR
01-16-2005, 10:44 AM
i think the front interio looks great lots happening, but the raer interior is a bit bland,<br>i like the outside sort of bussiness sort of sporty nice feel to it though

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 02:04 PM
Saw it at the LA Auto Show and was unimpressed. I just wish Lexus would take more chances! Besides, the proportions of the current GS seem all wrong to me... like the wheelbase is too long, or something... but the new car doesn't seem to remedy that. It just seems a little bloated. And the BMW influences are blatant. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

knihc2008
01-16-2005, 02:37 PM
saw this at the la auto show. i was actually quite impressed. the car looks huge but very sporty. the back works well enough. and the interior looks gorgeous. i think it works better than the m45.

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 02:46 PM
I think it will age better than the M45, for sure. That's a plus about being so conservative. But I think the M45 is a little sportier, and its interior is far more inspired.

nismo
01-16-2005, 03:34 PM
This GS is not bad but there are many things about it that fall short for me. I really think there is no excuse for the engine HP even Bimmer is putting new I6s in the 5-series (530 now has 255hp I believe). I saw both the new GS and the M at an autoshow and found the M more impressive and so did most of the people around me... I guess because the GS is just another Lexus and thats not enough anymore. Don't get me wrong, It is a nice car in all.

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 03:38 PM
530i is only 225hp, I believe?<p>* admittedly, though, keeping the 3.0L (and just 245hp!) is an obscene oversight that may ensure the M35/45's dominance...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DoMiNo at 2:44 PM 1/16/2005</i>

nismo
01-16-2005, 03:45 PM
yeah but they will be releasing new I6s with the new 3-series. the 2.5 now has like 215hp and the 3.5 now has 255hp. They're going to be released into the 5er and 3er at the same time.

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 03:52 PM
about time, I guess...

Denali
01-16-2005, 04:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tman2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> A lot of people just think if car A has more horsepower than car B, well then, car A will be faster. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yah right<br>but the GS 430 is 2 big to out beat a 540il <B>(old bodies)</B> theres no way

Rugbyplaya91
01-16-2005, 08:51 PM
i really don't think they've changed the car that much:p

spwolf
01-17-2005, 11:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>yah right<br>but the GS 430 is 2 big to out beat a 540il <B>(old bodies)</B> theres no way</TD></TR></TABLE><p>GS430 and 545 (new one) are pretty comparable actually, performance wise. Lexus has managed to make GS quite bigger and yet not raise the weight of the car. So 545 and GS430 weight almost the same, with BMW engine having 5lbs more torque. Even their published specs are the same (0-60 in 5.8 sec) for Auto.<p>So how can Lexus be underpowered?

DoMiNo
01-17-2005, 12:19 PM
You're probably right about the 430. It always had plenty of power and I'm sure that won't be a problem. It's still about on par (well, maybe a little less) with the power of its competitors and it can keep up. It's the 300 I worry about. When even a Toyota Avalon will have 270hp... and the competition (e.g. <I>Infiniti</I>, Acura... even the new E-class will have more horsepower.) putting as much power into their cars as possible, I'm just not sure how this will fare. Of course people buying a GS300 are probably looking for more than power, but you know... it's the principle of it all!

Naga Royal Guard
01-17-2005, 02:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GS430 and 545 (new one) are pretty comparable actually, performance wise. Lexus has managed to make GS quite bigger and yet not raise the weight of the car. So 545 and GS430 weight almost the same, with BMW engine having 5lbs more torque. Even their published specs are the same (0-60 in 5.8 sec) for Auto.<p>So how can Lexus be underpowered?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>545 with nitrous oxide wil KILL the GS 430 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
01-17-2005, 04:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're probably right about the 430. It always had plenty of power and I'm sure that won't be a problem. It's still about on par (well, maybe a little less) with the power of its competitors and it can keep up. It's the 300 I worry about. When even a Toyota Avalon will have 270hp... and the competition (e.g. <I>Infiniti</I>, Acura... even the new E-class will have more horsepower.) putting as much power into their cars as possible, I'm just not sure how this will fare. Of course people buying a GS300 are probably looking for more than power, but you know... it's the principle of it all!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well keep in mind that even GS300 will have 1 sec better time 0-60 than current GS300! And its engine willl, again, be comparable with new BMW 3.0 engine that will come out within next half year... So as to power, GS300 is actually pretty nice car and it will be more easy on gas as well than GS350...<p>It is actually perfect engine for European GS300, and I doubt that anyone will feel their GS300 is slow... Of course, 350 will be considerably faster but thats to be seen.<p>p.s. You are right naga, of course!

DoMiNo
01-17-2005, 04:32 PM
I suppose Lexus was really gunning for the 5-series here, huh...<p>Do you think they'll do a Sport Design trim, eventually? If so it'd be awesome if they bumped up the power. I guess it's not like Toyota/Lexus to be excessive, though. I'd sure love to see someone's rendition of what that would look like, though. Any takers?

spwolf
01-17-2005, 06:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I suppose Lexus was really gunning for the 5-series here, huh...<p>Do you think they'll do a Sport Design trim, eventually? If so it'd be awesome if they bumped up the power. I guess it's not like Toyota/Lexus to be excessive, though. I'd sure love to see someone's rendition of what that would look like, though. Any takers?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>TRD should do an push on all major new Toyota releases. There is an protoype SC already done for the engine in GS300 in TRD Japan (keep in mind that engine has been around for a year now), so it will be gooood.

Naga Royal Guard
01-17-2005, 06:43 PM
an SC 300 would work well in europe id bet, so would an LS 300 or 350

DoMiNo
01-17-2005, 08:47 PM
Especially considering the fact that the SC430 <I>starts</I> at like 57,000 which is like $105,000 US. That is HILARIOUS. How can anyone afford to own a car in Europe?<p>But hey, why stop there? They have a 2.0L in the IS over there, why not throw that in the GS or something? Works for the S-class... don't they have like an S220?

Chickpig
01-18-2005, 12:23 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07690.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07691.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07692.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07694.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07695.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07693.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07780.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07787.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07785.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07786.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/605DSC07783.JPG" BORDER="0"><br>source: clublexus

alar
01-18-2005, 05:27 AM
Has anybody got information about AWD option for the new GS? Will it be available as soon as the GS hits the market or later? And will it be available in all markets (US, Europe etc.)?

Cozz
01-18-2005, 06:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>alar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Has anybody got information about AWD option for the new GS? Will it be available as soon as the GS hits the market or later? And will it be available in all markets (US, Europe etc.)?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the AWD is only for the V6 and not the V8.

spwolf
01-18-2005, 09:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">an SC 300 would work well in europe id bet, so would an LS 300 or 350</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt Lexus will go downmarket - as discussed before, they dont NEED to do it. They dont have to have lower priced cars in order to make profits or stay afloat like BMW for example, and this will be an big thing for Lexus perception wise same as it was for Mercedes long time ago.<p>Sure they might do it, but I doubt they will. Lexus in Europe is an upcoming brand, they dont have an luxury of BMW or MB brand image to start with cheap cars.<p>For example, if you had LS300 for 45k and LS430 for 60k, then people would view LS from LS300's perspective and look at LS430 as something extravagant. Simply the car would be automatically lesser car. On the other hand, S class is viewed from S500 standpoint and S220 (or whatever is the lowest S class now) is seen as good option to jump in S class.<p>So it will be better for Lexus to stay upmarket brand anyway, because they do not need to sell 1 million cars to actually be able to develop new ones, because cost of technology and development is shared with Toyota. And Toyota cars in Europe have been moving to Lexus-type perception of quality in any case, so you simply wont see Avensis priced IS nor you will see Corolla based Lexus... Simply no need.<p>Right now Lexus sells around 30k cars per year in Europe, they dont even have an dealer network big enough to actually jump these sales to US levels within next 3-4 years. It is an gradual process, that will be helped by many things - such as new models (IS, GS, LS), new engines (diesel IS next year), and much bigger dealer network. So it should be an slow and gradual process, and I am sure Lexus will be quite happy with some 100k in sales 5 years from now and that goal is quite doable, and even that would require at least doubling of their dealer network which is an slow process.<p>Reason for much higer European prices, such as 60k GBP for SC430 is due to much higher taxes in Europe that range from 20% to 150% (unlike 7%-9% in US), and cars are still comparable pricing wise to MB or BMW (or slightly less).<p>GS 300 will have an AWD option from start on. There are no plans for awd GS430 that I know of.

Naga Royal Guard
01-18-2005, 10:52 AM
the GS 460h should be the 8 cylinder AWD solution

Chickpig
01-30-2005, 03:01 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61376&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61375&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61374&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61373&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br>Without spoiler:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61315&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br>source: clublexus

Cozz
01-30-2005, 06:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the GS 460h should be the 8 cylinder AWD solution</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think Lexus mentioned anything about a V8 and AWD. It simply doesn't fit.

Naga Royal Guard
01-30-2005, 09:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think Lexus mentioned anything about a V8 and AWD. It simply doesn't fit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Audi does it, but Toyota really is behind w/ AWD offerings, and the next camry chassis wont support it either ( only for raised SUV and Minivans ); i guess offering 1 w/ AWD is better than nothing tho, which has been the case too long

VexedandGlorious
01-30-2005, 11:06 AM
Why wont they couple awd and a v8?<p>Infiniti doesnt do it either.<p>i dont get it?

spwolf
01-30-2005, 01:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Audi does it, but Toyota really is behind w/ AWD offerings, and the next camry chassis wont support it either ( only for raised SUV and Minivans ); i guess offering 1 w/ AWD is better than nothing tho, which has been the case too long</TD></TR></TABLE><p>umm, eh. First of all, I doubt anyone has as many AWD offerings as Toyota do... They just dont offer them everywhere because they dont see the sales in it. But almost every model out of some 70 models Toyota sells in Japan has AWD version.<br>Echo, Corolla, Camry all have awd versions as well.<p>I really dont have an clue where did you get the info that Camry chasis/platform/whatever does not have support for AWD. Unless we are talking about sports cars, all Toyota platforms that I know have AWD option (exception V8 and sport cars).<p>AWD is an good option for people living in snow belt, but in general, it has become way overrated by kids on drag strips... Autobild tested Audi A4 3.0 FWD and AWD, and found that FWD is faster on the track and get better lap times than awd versions. They tested it under rain and same is true - FWD is faster than AWD. Only in snow and ice, did the AWD A4 outperform its FWD variant. If thats true for FWD, then RWD should perform even better.

mecca510
01-30-2005, 03:25 PM
Here are the MSRP for the 2006 Lexus GS300/G430 courtesy of Longo Lexus in the Club Lexus Forum:<p><B>2006 GS 430</B><br>2006 GS430 Base $51,125<p>Mark Levinson w/ Navigation System $4,030<br>Rear Spoiler $200<br>Rain Sensing Wipers/Headlamp Cleaners $225<br>Power Tilt &Slide Moonroof $1,000<br>Power Rear Sunshade $210<br>Ventilated Front Seats $200<br>Intuitive park Assist $500<p>$57,490 plus LDA and Destination.<p>There is also run flats and PCS, but it appears they aren't building those.<p>And for those of you who did not like the look of the GS rim, a "G-Spider" 18" Alloy is an available option.<p><B><br>2006 GS 300 RWD</B><br>006 GS300 RWD Base $42,900<p>"Premium Package"<br>Rain Sensing Wipers/Adaptive Front Lighting System/Headlamp Cleaners $525<br>Power Tilt&Slide Moonroof $1000<br>Power Rear Sunshade $210<br>Ventilated Front Seats $200<br>Intuitive Park Assist $500<p>$45,335 plus LDA and Destination.<p>"Fully Loaded"<br>Mark Levinson w/ Navigation System $4,030<br>Intuitive Park Assist $500<p>$49,865 plus LDA and Destination.<p><br>There is also run flats and PCS, but it appears they aren't building those.<p><B>2006 GS 300 AWD</B><br>The GS300 AWD Base will be $44,850<p>New Standard features included in base price, but are not limited to:<br>Heated Leather Seats with Memory<br>Smart Entry with Push Start Button<br>In Dash 6 Disc Changer<br>Projector Type HID Headlamps<br>Knee Airbags<br>Wood Steering Wheel and Shift Knob<br>17" Wheels on V6, 18" on V8<br>0-60 on the GS430 is 5.7 sec!!!!!<p>VDIM...Vehicle Dynamics Integrated management system is standard on the GS430. It is the MOST advanced active safety system in the world. Besides controlling braking and traction of each wheel - like VSC does - it adjust the AVS suspension and the all new electronic power steering with variable gear ratio steering (VGRS). All these components work together to produce an incredibly seamless stability enhancement system.<p>Mark Levinson 7.1 Discrete Surround DVD Audio...This optional system features 14 speakers and an 11 channel amplifier to reproduce sound quality like no car audio ever before.<p>The GS RWD and AWD have an all new V6 engine with the first application of direct fuel injection and dual VVT-i that acts on both intake and exhaust vavles. The result is more power, a wide torque range, and with the 6 speed transmission and other inhancements, a considerable 20% FUEL ECONOMY IMPROVEMENT.<p>Also for the first time, Intuitive Park Assist incorporates a Steering Sensitive Clearance Sonar, and the Pre-Collision System (PSC) includes active braking.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mecca510 at 2:38 PM 1/30/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
01-30-2005, 04:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">umm, eh. First of all, I doubt anyone has as many AWD offerings as Toyota do... They just dont offer them everywhere because they dont see the sales in it. But almost every model out of some 70 models Toyota sells in Japan has AWD version.<br>Echo, Corolla, Camry all have awd versions as well.<p>I really dont have an clue where did you get the info that Camry chasis/platform/whatever does not have support for AWD. Unless we are talking about sports cars, all Toyota platforms that I know have AWD option (exception V8 and sport cars).<p>AWD is an good option for people living in snow belt, but in general, it has become way overrated by kids on drag strips... Autobild tested Audi A4 3.0 FWD and AWD, and found that FWD is faster on the track and get better lap times than awd versions. They tested it under rain and same is true - FWD is faster than AWD. Only in snow and ice, did the AWD A4 outperform its FWD variant. If thats true for FWD, then RWD should perform even better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>if the car is JDM- only it may as well Not exist, some media outlets say the Camry sedan cant support Awd while ive heard the JDM camry offers it<p>its a marketing game, toyota is usually the last to fold upon fickle market trends, and I do agree about AWD, most ppl w/ it dont really need it<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 8:03 PM 1/30/2005</i>

Denali
01-30-2005, 04:56 PM
i think they should drop the 300, and make a coupe out of the 430<br>matter of fact imma chop that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-30-2005, 05:04 PM
drop the V6 model, whyyyy???????

Denali
01-30-2005, 05:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">drop the V6 model, whyyyy???????</TD></TR></TABLE><br>thats what the ES330 is 4

SV
01-30-2005, 05:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>thats what the ES330 is 4</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes but the ES330 is has less features, is based on a FWD camry chassis and IMO doesn't look nearly as good as the GS. a GS coupe would be a good idea though

LEXUS FAN!
01-30-2005, 05:38 PM
so the top of the line will be around $58,000, right?

spwolf
01-30-2005, 06:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>if the car is JDM- only it may as well Not exist, some media outlets say the Camry sedan cant support Awd while ive heard the JDM camry offers it<p>its a marketing game, toyota is usually the last to fold upon fickle market trends, and I do agree about AWD, most ppl w/ it dont really need it<p><br><i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 8:03 PM 1/30/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>well it is an JDM car, but the platform itself is well capable of AWD... not only capable, but there are AWD variations on the market... Same thing as with Avenis, european toyota built in europe but sold only in Japan as AWD... capability is there but it is up to Toyota to decide can they make enough of them to make it worthwhile... I could care less what media says, most of them dont know much about cars in any case...<p>For example, GS430 AWD sales most likely would be less than 5% of market, which is why it was never done....

Andrey
01-30-2005, 07:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Especially considering the fact that the SC430 <I>starts</I> at like 57,000 which is like $105,000 US. That is HILARIOUS. How can anyone afford to own a car in Europe?<p>But hey, why stop there? They have a 2.0L in the IS over there, why not throw that in the GS or something? Works for the S-class... don't they have like an S220?</TD></TR></TABLE> No they don't! I believe the smalest engine for S-class is 3.2 or <br>3.5 litre but E-class probably has 2 litre engine

DoMiNo
01-30-2005, 10:28 PM
Nah, i think they had an S 220 at one time, and I know for certain that they make an S 280 now...

Chickpig
02-02-2005, 08:39 AM
Third-Generation GS Luxury Sports Sedan Brings New Lexus Design to Market; <br>Raises Bar on Performance, Comfort, Luxury and Safety<p>02/01/2005 Torrance, CA<p>Lexus elevated the bar once again, with the launch of the next-generation 2006 GS 300 and GS 430 performance sedans. With the start of production, the all-new GS is ready to deliver using the latest in advanced design and technology to raise performance, comfort, safety and luxury to new levels. The new GS is also the first in a new wave of Lexus products to reflect a new, more passionate direction in styling.<p>"We think the new GS' engaging, emotional design by itself will create strong desire for the car," said Denny Clements, Lexus group vice president and general manager. "And the unexpected levels of performance, luxury and comfort will surprise and delight anyone that drives it." <p>The newly expressive GS family combines available all-wheel drive (GS 300 only) for the first time in a Lexus passenger car, with a powerful new 3.0-liter V6 engine, new dynamic and safety technology and a long list of comfort and luxury features in a right-sized package. A new 6-speed automatic transmission is used with both the new V6 and the proven 4.3 liter V8, which accelerates from 0-60 mph in only 5.7 seconds.<p>New Lexus Design Direction<br>From an architectural standpoint, the GS marks a move towards a more sculptural direction, that is artistic, dynamic, simple, yet intriguing. A two-inch longer wheelbase and a one-inch wider rear track create a wide, powerful stance. A long hood, pulled-back cabin and short rear deck recall classic sports car proportions while the vertical grille surrounded by four independent headlamps connects the new GS with the outgoing model, but with a futuristic look. The front also features an aggressive lower valance with integrated fog lamps. Dynamic 18-inch aluminum wheels with wide, low-profile tires on the GS 430 help tie the muscular yet elegant look together (new 17-inch aluminum wheels are standard on GS 300). The creation of a unique spatial feeling in the passenger compartment is central to the new Lexus design direction. <p>The interior of the new GS has a precision, luxury feel with ultra-premium wood, polished metal and leather accents. Everything inside the GS is designed and styled to create a haven for peaceful comfort and harmonious interaction, with touch points that convey quality and controls that respond with confidence.<p>Intuitive Inside<br>Going beyond design and color, the interior of the new GS also aims to make drivers and passengers feel at one with the car by providing an intuitive and naturally comfortable environment. It begins with the Smart Access keyless entry and new push-to-start ignition system that allows the driver to keep the access fob in their pocket or purse. A comprehensive interior lighting system provides just the right amount of light where driver and passengers need it. <p>A secure and distraction-free setting allows the driver to get the most from the considerable performance of the car. A new gauge cluster was developed that features machined aluminum facings. In order to minimize reflections from their faces, a unique lighting system uses variable transparency glass to help optimize visibility in all lighting conditionsfrom bright sun to dark of night. The gauges also feature a quick-response tachometer that moves more directly in concert with changes in engine rpm. <p>A hidden but easily accessed dash panel on the left side of the steering wheel reveals buttons and switches that are not frequently needed when driving in order to simplify the driver's view. Multi-adjustable front seats feature standard heating and optional fan ventilation, while an electronic tilt/telescoping steering wheel helps ensure a comfortable fit. The standard Regency leather-trimmed seats are supportive and comfortably contoured for long trip support. <p>First All-Wheel Drive Lexus Passenger Car<br>Significantly, the new GS 300 features available all-wheel-drive, the first such application in any Lexus passenger car. The new AWD system uses a wet-type multi-disc clutch and planetary gear set in the transfer case. The system employs an electronic control strategy that takes inputs from driver activity such as steering and throttle angle, combined with vehicle signals from wheel speed and yaw rate sensors. Hydraulic controls are also employed to vary the front/rear torque split ratio from 30/70 to 50/50. This arrangement allows the traditional performance advantages of a rear-drive vehicle to remain with the confidence of all-wheel traction when needed.<p>Ultra-Advanced Dynamics<br>A completely new suspension system draws on the highest engineering principles to bring new levels of performance, comfort and fun to the GS driving experience. Both front and rear suspensions employ optimized geometry to virtually eliminate unwanted wheel angle changes during suspension movement. The result is a natural, confident feel that's also spirited.<p>An Adaptive Variable Suspension in the GS 430 automatically selects appropriate suspension damping for driving conditions while allowing the driver to select a sport mode for a tighter, more precise feel. The new GS 430 offers the performance enhancements and advanced vehicle control of the Lexus Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system. VDIM is an all-new system that integrates and manages a new Electronically Controlled Brake system (ECB), Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), Electronic Power Steering (EPS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), ABS, Brake Assist (BA), Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD) and engine torque via the electronically controlled throttle. <p>Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system is designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then help correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that's essentially transparent to the driver. Data is gathered from more sources and processed earlier and faster than previous designs, helping to make VDIM less obtrusive yet highly effective. <p>Intelligent and Powerful Brakes<br>A powerful new braking system combines several leading-edge technologies that by themselves provide superior braking performance. But when combined with new dynamics technology such as EPS and VGRS and managed by VDIM in the GS 430, braking performance improved substantially. It starts with new mechanical components that significantly increase brake friction and improve stopping power, while effectively eliminating brake fade. Anti-lock Brakes (ABS), Brake Assist (BA) and Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD) help make the best use of the newfound power. The new Electronic Controlled Brake (ECB) system in the GS 430 translates the driver's effort precisely into effective stopping power. VDIMs ability to provide overall management of all these systems maximizes brake performance and vehicle stability in virtually any driving situation. <p>V6 Performance Redefined <br>Joining the GS 430's potent and refined 4.3-liter V8, is an all-new 3.0-liter, 245-horsepower V6 engine replacing the inline six in the GS 300. The new V6 uses a new direct fuel injection system that offers much finer fuel mixture control to improve both power and fuel economy. "Dual" variable valve timing technology that acts on both intake and exhaust valves further enhances performance through a wide rpm range. The result is a wide, flat torque curve that provides crisp throttle response and quick acceleration at virtually any engine speed.<p>Measures to reduce internal friction such as chain drive for the camshafts and roller rockers to operate the valves, contribute its superior fuel economy of 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. The new V6 also achieves an EPA-certified Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) emissions rating.<p>New 6-Speed Automatic<br>Both the powerful V6 and V8 engines benefit from an intelligent all-new close-ratio 6-speed automatic transmission with a sequential manual-shifting mode. The combination provides faster and substantially smoother acceleration for even better performance and, surprisingly, improved fuel economy. And like the latest LS 430, the new automatic also uses a special transmission fluid that never needs to be checked or replaced.<p>

Chickpig
02-02-2005, 08:40 AM
New Intelligent Luxury Sport Sedan<br>In addition to a new look and feel, the new GS also improves upon the increasingly complex nature of automotive technology. The GS offers numerous standard features such as Bluetooth wireless telephone capability and a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPM) that can detect and notify the driver via an indicator warning light of a significant loss in pressure in one or more tires. The GS will also feature the Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), which helps illuminate a curve as the driver steers into it. <p>A rear back-up camera is also added for 2006, helping to provide an extra margin of confidence when reversing the vehicle. Available in conjunction with the optional navigation system, it automatically projects an image of what the camera lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation screen when the vehicle is in the reverse gear. The GS will also be available with Intuitive Park Assist which uses ultrasonic sensors to detect the presence of objects close by and warn the driver of their proximity. <p>Although currently available in the Lexus LS 430 and LX 470, the GS takes the idea a step further by adding a steering input sensor to help the system better judge changes in distance to objects. "With the new GS we took all that was good in terms of technology and found ways to make it more intuitive, more intelligent and more relevant to the needs of its driver," said Clements.<p>Advanced Safety Features<br>The GS will also offer an optional Pre-Collision System (PCS) that can help reduce collision damage. The system uses a millimeter-wave radar sensor to help detect obstacles in front of the car and a pre-collision system computer with vehicle speed, steering angle and yaw rate inputs that help to determine in advance whether a collision is unavoidable. It then switches the AVS to "Sport" mode, preemptively retracts front seat belts and pre-initializes Brake Assist so that increased braking is applied the instant the brake pedal is depressed. The system also incorporates "Active Braking" which will automatically apply the brakes up to a deceleration of 0.3 Gs in the event the driver fails to react to system warnings. <p>In addition, the new GS gains new knee airbags for the driver and front passenger as well as front and rear side curtain airbags as standard equipment. The Supplemental Restraint System in the new GS also includes variable-force front airbags for both driver and front passenger. Sensors determine the severity of the accident and in turn the force with which to deploy the front airbags, helping to provide an appropriate level of occupant restraint.<p>"Nearly every feature on the GS makes this sports sedan more manageable and more engaging to drive," said Clements.<p>Mind-Expanding Audio Systems <br>A refined standard premium audio system brings more power and three new speakers to the 2006 GS and uses an Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL) to maintain consistent sound levels at varying vehicle speeds.<p>Music aficionados will appreciate the newest generation of the optional Mark Levinson audio system in the new GS. Using a 7.1 channel speaker architecture, this leading-edge design uses 11 channels of amplification with a total of 330 watts playing through 14 speakers to bring a major new dimension to automotive audio systems. <p>The Mark Levinson audio also takes advantage of DVD audio and video technology, allowing users to play both conventional CDs and DVDs. DVD movies can be viewed on the color 7-inch touch screen when the vehicle is parked.<p>Luxury Alive in the Details<br>Newly optional ventilated front seats and a power rear sunshade work in concert with the standard dual-zone climate control that filters and deodorizes the air to keep occupants comfortable. <p>An upgraded navigation system offers more than 6 million points of interest (POI). The multi-information display makes key information readily available and easy to see. <p>Rich new exterior colors and interior wood and leather selections coupled with the Lexus' boldest design to date make choosing the right GS luxury sport sedan more intriguing than ever before.<p>The all-new 2006 Lexus GS luxury sport sedans go on sale in early March. Prices begin at $42,900 for the GS 300, $44,850 for the GS 300 AWD, and $51,125 for the GS 430.<p>source: lexus usa<br>

Chickpig
02-02-2005, 08:41 AM
New Intelligent Luxury Sport Sedan<br>In addition to a new look and feel, the new GS also improves upon the increasingly complex nature of automotive technology. The GS offers numerous standard features such as Bluetooth wireless telephone capability and a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPM) that can detect and notify the driver via an indicator warning light of a significant loss in pressure in one or more tires. The GS will also feature the Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), which helps illuminate a curve as the driver steers into it. <p>A rear back-up camera is also added for 2006, helping to provide an extra margin of confidence when reversing the vehicle. Available in conjunction with the optional navigation system, it automatically projects an image of what the camera lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation screen when the vehicle is in the reverse gear. The GS will also be available with Intuitive Park Assist which uses ultrasonic sensors to detect the presence of objects close by and warn the driver of their proximity. <p>Although currently available in the Lexus LS 430 and LX 470, the GS takes the idea a step further by adding a steering input sensor to help the system better judge changes in distance to objects. "With the new GS we took all that was good in terms of technology and found ways to make it more intuitive, more intelligent and more relevant to the needs of its driver," said Clements.<p>Advanced Safety Features<br>The GS will also offer an optional Pre-Collision System (PCS) that can help reduce collision damage. The system uses a millimeter-wave radar sensor to help detect obstacles in front of the car and a pre-collision system computer with vehicle speed, steering angle and yaw rate inputs that help to determine in advance whether a collision is unavoidable. It then switches the AVS to "Sport" mode, preemptively retracts front seat belts and pre-initializes Brake Assist so that increased braking is applied the instant the brake pedal is depressed. The system also incorporates "Active Braking" which will automatically apply the brakes up to a deceleration of 0.3 Gs in the event the driver fails to react to system warnings. <p>In addition, the new GS gains new knee airbags for the driver and front passenger as well as front and rear side curtain airbags as standard equipment. The Supplemental Restraint System in the new GS also includes variable-force front airbags for both driver and front passenger. Sensors determine the severity of the accident and in turn the force with which to deploy the front airbags, helping to provide an appropriate level of occupant restraint.<p>"Nearly every feature on the GS makes this sports sedan more manageable and more engaging to drive," said Clements.<p>Mind-Expanding Audio Systems <br>A refined standard premium audio system brings more power and three new speakers to the 2006 GS and uses an Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL) to maintain consistent sound levels at varying vehicle speeds.<p>Music aficionados will appreciate the newest generation of the optional Mark Levinson audio system in the new GS. Using a 7.1 channel speaker architecture, this leading-edge design uses 11 channels of amplification with a total of 330 watts playing through 14 speakers to bring a major new dimension to automotive audio systems. <p>The Mark Levinson audio also takes advantage of DVD audio and video technology, allowing users to play both conventional CDs and DVDs. DVD movies can be viewed on the color 7-inch touch screen when the vehicle is parked.<p>Luxury Alive in the Details<br>Newly optional ventilated front seats and a power rear sunshade work in concert with the standard dual-zone climate control that filters and deodorizes the air to keep occupants comfortable. <p>An upgraded navigation system offers more than 6 million points of interest (POI). The multi-information display makes key information readily available and easy to see. <p>Rich new exterior colors and interior wood and leather selections coupled with the Lexus' boldest design to date make choosing the right GS luxury sport sedan more intriguing than ever before.<p>The all-new 2006 Lexus GS luxury sport sedans go on sale in early March. Prices begin at $42,900 for the GS 300, $44,850 for the GS 300 AWD, and $51,125 for the GS 430.<p><br>source: lexus usa

Chickpig
02-04-2005, 02:12 AM
Edmunds Review <A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=104584?tid=edmunds.h..insideline.promo.2 g" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...mo.2g</A><br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.taillight.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.act.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.int.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.whl.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.intdet.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

RetroJapan
02-04-2005, 03:03 AM
I still hate those 17" rims... -sigh-<p>I wish the 18 inchers were standard across the board....<p>Still, it looks really nice in that red color (although the picture is taken at a weird angle)

KebabGud
02-04-2005, 07:07 AM
<IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.intdet.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>that is the cooles thing i have ever seen...<br>i dont know why.. but it is ..<br>cant wait for the top gear review..<br>

spwolf
02-04-2005, 10:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>that is the cooles thing i have ever seen...<br>i dont know why.. but it is ..<br>cant wait for the top gear review..<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yea it is... otherwise all those buttons would be crowded on left side of steering wheel...

Flagship
02-04-2005, 02:26 PM
I like the way Lexus designed that too,looks very James Bond'ish.....<p>I can't belive the V6 gets 22mpg on the highway and 30mpg in the city with a 245 hp engine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> , i wonder what the hybrid will get.

LEXUS FAN!
02-04-2005, 05:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the way Lexus designed that too,looks very James Bond'ish.....<p>I can't belive the V6 gets 22mpg on the highway and 30mpg in the city with a 245 hp engine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> , i wonder what the hybrid will get. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ya...that's really amazing

Andre
02-04-2005, 06:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/lexus.gs.300/06.lexus.gs.300.intdet.500.jpg<br>that is the cooles thing i have ever seen...<br>i dont know why.. but it is ..<br>cant wait for the top gear review..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ick... IMO, Some of those are regularly used controls. having them fold into the consol is a nuisance because you'll have to use it regularly. This will contribute to wear, breaking parts, annoyed drivers, and electronics which are constantly being reshaped and moved, meaning the butons will stop working sooner<p>so despite looking cool, I see it as an idea which will be shot down rather quickly, and disappear with the facelift. Something like that is too impractical for a $50,000 car

Naga Royal Guard
02-04-2005, 11:16 PM
whats worse, having them fold down, or wading thew onscreen menu upon menu to access them via navi screen<p>

LEXUS FAN!
02-04-2005, 11:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats worse, having them fold down, or wading thew onscreen menu upon menu to access them via navi screen<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>that's a really cool idea, but then it might become too much like an i-drive...if they do that, it would have to be enginneered very carefully

Andre
02-05-2005, 12:03 AM
Yaknow, 4 years ago did these controls fold down? Did they appear on a computer screen? No, they were placed on the dash like any normal control. We're trying to make something that's been perfected "cooler" and causing some people out there grief in the process. The tried and true method sis sometimes best. It doesn't HAVE to fold out, or pop up on a computer screen at the touch of a silver knob<p>and yes, LexusFan, he WAS referring to iDrive

spwolf
02-05-2005, 07:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ick... IMO, Some of those are regularly used controls. having them fold into the consol is a nuisance because you'll have to use it regularly. This will contribute to wear, breaking parts, annoyed drivers, and electronics which are constantly being reshaped and moved, meaning the butons will stop working sooner<p>so despite looking cool, I see it as an idea which will be shot down rather quickly, and disappear with the facelift. Something like that is too impractical for a $50,000 car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol... what exactly are regulary used controls? Mirrors? Since they fold automatically during reverse, I dont see need to use them much manually (plus mirror memory is standard)... What else... hmmm..... instrumentation lighting? ODO that you usually have to push through damn steering will to get to? Gas door that you usually have to fiddle around your feet? If anything, it is more intuitive to have them being all at the same place so you dont have to look for them...<p>If anything, i think it is great step forward to simplifying things and not other way around. Buttons are still the same as before, so wear will be the same.<p>It is not idrive with menus, its simple fold down compartment, as simple yet as ingenous as possible.... And not only that, but instead of being buttons being "taped" on the console behind steering wheel as before, when you fold down the compartment, buttons are actually now angled towards drivers eyes better and much easier to see.

Naga Royal Guard
02-05-2005, 09:49 AM
ok, fuel release switch is hidden<p>next pissing contest underway, only BMW manages to garner such hot debate :)

spwolf
02-05-2005, 03:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, fuel release switch is hidden<p>next pissing contest underway, only BMW manages to garner such hot debate :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well definetly... they should left it behind the feet, where it is so accesible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>GS looks like an nice package all together... cant wait for IS now...

Naga Royal Guard
02-05-2005, 04:14 PM
i heard that switchbox affects high-speed stability :o)

spwolf
02-05-2005, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i heard that switchbox affects high-speed stability :o)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>probably because damn overdrive button being there, why did they do that? suckers<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-05-2005, 04:40 PM
i hear that they also plan on putting the gearshift knob and handbrake in there too !

LEXUS FAN!
02-05-2005, 05:30 PM
i saw the first magazine ad in this month's automobile

Hornbag
02-05-2005, 05:43 PM
Scan it up Lexus Fan! Or tell us what it says...

Naga Royal Guard
02-05-2005, 06:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or tell us what it says...</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hornbag
02-05-2005, 07:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>NOOOOOOOOOOOO </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Um, why not?

LEXUS FAN!
02-06-2005, 12:34 AM
it is a 3/4 bird's eye view of the GS in a parking spot in between two cars<p>it is a silver GS 430<p>it says the next phenomenon is coming...300hp (it's in small letter at the bottom, so the GS takes up a lot of the pages.<p>that's basically it.<p>sorry i don't have a scanner...well i do, but it doesn't work

Chickpig
02-06-2005, 07:29 AM
hey i've got a few photos of the new gs. Taken myself. Anyone wanna help host it?

spwolf
02-06-2005, 08:00 AM
only 300hp? wtf... I cant merge with traffic properly with only 300hp...

LEXUS FAN!
02-06-2005, 10:04 AM
it's 0-60 is 5.7<p>it is not only hp...it is the ratio too b/c lexus uses less hp b/c it's body is usually less or they build it so it does not need as much

Naga Royal Guard
02-06-2005, 11:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>it is not only hp...it is the ratio too b/c lexus uses less hp b/c it's body is usually less or they build it so it does not need as much</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what the heck did you just say?

anonms
02-06-2005, 12:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>what the heck did you just say?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>He's saying that because Lexus builds lighter cars than the competition, they don't need as much horsepower to keep up with competitors in terms ofspeed.

Cozz
02-06-2005, 08:47 PM
C'mon Naga, you didn't understand that? He was saying that b/c the hp isn't much as ohers b/c the weight isn't niether b/c it's lighter so it doesn't need more hp b/c it's lighter than others....sheeesh! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-06-2005, 08:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">C'mon Naga, you didn't understand that? He was saying that b/c the hp isn't much as ohers b/c the weight isn't niether b/c it's lighter so it doesn't need more hp b/c it's lighter than others....sheeesh! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ah yes, i understand now<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they build it so it does not need as much</TD></TR></TABLE><p>its just that phrases of modern english such as this really make me wish i was a BMW fan or something <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-06-2005, 10:14 PM
a new review...a great review<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8081" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...=8081</A>

Cozz
02-06-2005, 10:29 PM
Does anyone know it it will use real wood or fake wood like the ES and RX?

LEXUS FAN!
02-06-2005, 10:46 PM
"That said, the biggest challenge with the new GS430 is simply finding something to criticize."<p>a good quote from the TCC article

Hornbag
02-07-2005, 12:48 AM
I just recieved another teaser brochure in the mail saying how safe this car is. Im one very impressed GS430/300 fan!!!!

spwolf
02-07-2005, 07:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone know it it will use real wood or fake wood like the ES and RX?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you must be watching into MB interiors too much, all Lexuses have genuine wood trims, no fakies... that includes ES and RX...

LEXUS FAN!
02-07-2005, 10:08 PM
<A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137996&page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...age=3</A><p>great pictures<p><br>there is a really good picture that compares the front of the LF-S to the front of the GS.

Hornbag
02-08-2005, 12:18 AM
Thanks lexus fan, i so want this car! Those are amazing pictures!

Cozz
02-08-2005, 06:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>you must be watching into MB interiors too much, all Lexuses have genuine wood trims, no fakies... that includes ES and RX...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Incorrect! I worked on both 2004/2005 ES and RX and both show fake wood. The RX, I can't say too much because it was very hard to to tell but the ES was very easy. The steering wheel looks real, that's why it doesn't match the rest of the wood in the car.<p>2004 ES-&gt; Pop out trim around the shifter, it's all clips and easy to pop out. Look under the wood and it's pure ABS plastic... fake wood. The dash has fake wood too. Pop out the right side vent, then pop out the fake wood, you'll have too tilt it over the radio to pop it out or you can rip the radio out first.... the whole thing is fake.<p>Also, what MB uses fake wood? Not even the ML as I have worked on them... pure wood grafted on aluminum plates. <p>

KebabGud
02-08-2005, 07:40 AM
MB uses fake wod in the C, E and CLK ..<br>(this might be difrent on the lowend and high end models..)

Santeno
02-08-2005, 09:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone know it it will use real wood or fake wood like the ES and RX?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Lexus does not use fake wood in any of it's vehicles. The actually only use real wood, but they lacker it so heavily that it looks fake. It's bee a criticism of toyota since they first introduced the brand.

Flagship
02-08-2005, 02:36 PM
more pic's.... <A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149930&page=1&pp=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...pp=15</A>

Cozz
02-08-2005, 05:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Lexus does not use fake wood in any of it's vehicles. The actually only use real wood, but they lacker it so heavily that it looks fake. It's bee a criticism of toyota since they first introduced the brand.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry Santeno but it can't be. The plastic on the ES is a brown color from the back and pure plastic. Almost like Nissan/Infinity but with a different gloss. The GS uses real wood because I broke on already <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> . The older RX300 used real wood as well but the new RX and the EX doesn't! <p>Next time, I'll take pics of the ES. I worked on one last Friday,had to put a cellphone hands free kit in it.

Cozz
02-08-2005, 05:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MB uses fake wod in the C, E and CLK ..<br>(this might be difrent on the lowend and high end models..)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I worked on a 2004 C-class and it did have real wood. Again, it was grafted on alluminum.<p>It's like members here saying that the Chrysler Pacifica has real wood, it doesn't because I have taken my doors apart to see.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Cozz at 7:44 PM 2/8/2005</i>

Designo
02-08-2005, 06:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sorry Santeno but it can't be. The plastic on the ES is a brown color from the back and pure plastic. Almost like Nissan/Infinity but with a different gloss. The GS uses real wood because I broke on already <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> . The older RX300 used real wood as well but the new RX and the EX doesn't! <p>Next time, I'll take pics of the ES. I worked on one last Friday,had to put a cellphone hands free kit in it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm sorry but he's (Santeno) is true. What makes it "look" rather fake on some Lexus models is the fact that they over-lacquer the wood, which makes it look incredibly "plasticy", and the fact that they pasted it on a black under-surface makes it an even more convincing arguement. However, it is GENUINE.<p>There are some MB products I can think of that use fake wood. I remember my mother's ML was almost entirely made up of fake wood (except for the console/gear-shifter area).<p>I hope it's not that shocking that Lexus uses genuine wood on it's cars.... <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-08-2005, 06:32 PM
the center stack is ALL plastic, the M45 looks so much more opulent, DAMN YOU LEXUS!

DoMiNo
02-08-2005, 07:24 PM
From what I've been told, Mercedes uses real wood in all of their cars. Sounds like some of the overzealous Lexus fanatics are starting dirty ruuuuummoooorrrsss! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
02-08-2005, 07:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the center stack is ALL plastic, the M45 looks so much more opulent, DAMN YOU LEXUS!</TD></TR></TABLE> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
02-08-2005, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I've been told, Mercedes uses real wood in all of their cars. Sounds like some of the overzealous Lexus fanatics are starting dirty ruuuuummoooorrrsss! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>i had a C200K .. fake wood.. <br>(the CLK i have now .. does not have wood at all! omg! :P )<p>

SV
02-08-2005, 08:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the center stack is ALL plastic, the M45 looks so much more opulent, DAMN YOU LEXUS!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i wonder if you'll ever find a car you can like for more than a few months <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
02-08-2005, 08:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>diehldun</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm sorry but he's (Santeno) is true. What makes it "look" rather fake on some Lexus models is the fact that they over-lacquer the wood, which makes it look incredibly "plasticy", and the fact that they pasted it on a black under-surface makes it an even more convincing arguement. However, it is GENUINE.<p>There are some MB products I can think of that use fake wood. I remember my mother's ML was almost entirely made up of fake wood (except for the console/gear-shifter area).<p>I hope it's not that shocking that Lexus uses genuine wood on it's cars.... <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are way off, maybe you didn't read it 100% right. The damn thing is brownish plastic underneith and you can see the sides of it, there's no edging, just a coating of clear over plastic. <p>Who's the dumb a$$ company that puts wood on plastic? It will crack the wood and clear coat as soon as you pry it because it would bend easily.<p>Also, the ML has real wood on the car but I don't know the doors but it sure did look real.<p>Here's another fact, I NEVER WORKED ON A BENZ AND FOUND FAKE WOOD, NEVER. We can argue this all day if anyone heard otherwise but you'll have to proove me wrong. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
02-08-2005, 08:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>i had a C200K .. fake wood.. <br>(the CLK i have now .. does not have wood at all! omg! :P )<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Where was the fake wood at and what year? It's not like the C-class offers a lot of places to put the wood at.

RetroJapan
02-08-2005, 10:44 PM
New review from Newsweek:<p><IMG SRC="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050214_Issue/050205_roadtest_hd.hlarge.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6919968/site/newsweek" TARGET="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6919968/site/newsweek</A>/

DoMiNo
02-08-2005, 11:14 PM
I cannot WAIT until someone pits this thing against the M45. Then we'll find out for sure who made the more sincere effort. IMO, chalk it up for Infiniti. And as far as the V6 models are concerned, I think Infiniti has the obvious edge.

Designo
02-09-2005, 12:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You are way off, maybe you didn't read it 100% right. The damn thing is brownish plastic underneith and you can see the sides of it, there's no edging, just a coating of clear over plastic. <p>Who's the dumb a$$ company that puts wood on plastic? It will crack the wood and clear coat as soon as you pry it because it would bend easily.<p>Also, the ML has real wood on the car but I don't know the doors but it sure did look real.<p>Here's another fact, I NEVER WORKED ON A BENZ AND FOUND FAKE WOOD, NEVER. We can argue this all day if anyone heard otherwise but you'll have to proove me wrong. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>what company would do that? Mercedes. Look for yourself and YOU will see the FAKE WOOD, if you've 'WORKED' on it before. <p>By your logic, is it safe to assume the SC430, LS430, and LX have FAKE WOOD. Because according to your thought, FAKE WOOD MUST have the plastic coating in the back. FACE IT- there's no point in arguing this to death. It ISN'T fake wood. Go to a ES, and then an LS; they both have the same treatment; you mean to say the LS430 has "fake" birds-eye-maple wood throughout the cabin? Give me a break. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW: I have yet to see a Lexus with wood trim inside "bend" and have "clear coat", especially the older models... <p>Get over the fact that Lexus does infact use REAL wood-trim in it's cars, and in fact MERCEDES used artificial wood-trim. Please! I BEG you to go into an ML, and see for yourself. Only the wood-trim around the gear shift is REAL. Jesus!

Designo
02-09-2005, 12:17 AM
So you really think having this "brownish plastic underneath" the wood makes it fake? Sorry to tell you, but the Mercedes S-Class has this problem too. (you should know, given how much you "work" on these cars). look at the ash-tray cover... can't say that's fake Walnut/Calyptus wood trim... this is not a rare problem! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyways... getting back on topic-<br>I am REALLY falling in love with this car. The only problem I am having with this car is how long this design will last... the interior is VERY nice and modern! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-09-2005, 12:18 AM
All Lexus's have real wood, cos in dat lexus commercial they say "we searched 2 years for the wood in our cars."

Top Secret
02-09-2005, 12:44 AM
Wow, a Lexus commercial says that, it must be true!<p>BMW would certainly associate the M5 V10 with being a 'road version' of the F1 V10, does that mean it's true? Or where Honda says that the new Accord will make other cars 'very jealous'. Does that mean it's true? You know, car makers do actually lie.

Hornbag
02-09-2005, 12:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, a Lexus commercial says that, it must be true!<p>BMW would certainly associate the M5 V10 with being a 'road version' of the F1 V10, does that mean it's true? Or where Honda says that the new Accord will make other cars 'very jealous'. Does that mean it's true? You know, car makers do actually lie.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why do u always come along and reply to my posts with scarcasim??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> i was just saying that they do say it uses real wood, OK <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
02-09-2005, 12:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why do u always come along and reply to my posts with scarcasim??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> i was just saying that they do say it uses real wood, OK <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Because you're just asking for those remarks with those comments.

Hornbag
02-09-2005, 01:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Because you're just asking for those remarks with those comments. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>If i was ashing, i would say 'can some idiot please come along and reply to my topics and make fun of me', but the fact is i didnt, im not in the mood, and frankly im sick of this. Just dont reply to my topics and im sure we will get along...

DoMiNo
02-09-2005, 01:03 AM
Are we really still talking about the wood thing? Good lord. So maybe they do, maybe they don't! What gives?

Hornbag
02-09-2005, 01:07 AM
There we go, i found it. In this lexus range brochure they say they DO use real wood in all their cars, so if they r telling da truth good on em, if not who cares. There are better things to do with life than talk about fake/real wood. Like talking about the prices etc of this car...

Top Secret
02-09-2005, 01:07 AM
. . . to YOUR topics? What in the world? If I'm mistaken, Naga Royal Guard created this topic (NOT YOU) and I have just as much right as you to post in as many topics as I want. If you have a problem with my comments, even though I comply with all rules, feel free to complain to any of the Admins. Actually - since you called me 'an idiot', technically you yourself are breaking the rules. Nice going mate. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If you have a problem with me, then ignore me - doesn't hurt me at all.

Hornbag
02-09-2005, 01:10 AM
ok <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
02-09-2005, 06:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>diehldun</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>what company would do that? Mercedes. Look for yourself and YOU will see the FAKE WOOD, if you've 'WORKED' on it before. <p>By your logic, is it safe to assume the SC430, LS430, and LX have FAKE WOOD. Because according to your thought, FAKE WOOD MUST have the plastic coating in the back. FACE IT- there's no point in arguing this to death. It ISN'T fake wood. Go to a ES, and then an LS; they both have the same treatment; you mean to say the LS430 has "fake" birds-eye-maple wood throughout the cabin? Give me a break. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW: I have yet to see a Lexus with wood trim inside "bend" and have "clear coat", especially the older models... <p>Get over the fact that Lexus does infact use REAL wood-trim in it's cars, and in fact MERCEDES used artificial wood-trim. Please! I BEG you to go into an ML, and see for yourself. Only the wood-trim around the gear shift is REAL. Jesus!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, I have worked on the GS and can say that it's real wood because I have cracked it already and had to pay for a replacment. Oh yeah, it used a metal plate behind it. Same goes for the older RX. see my previous post for further explanation. I don't know about the LS because I haven't worked on one.<p>... camera time! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 1:07 PM 2/9/2005</i>

Designo
02-09-2005, 01:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No, I have worked on the GS and can say that it's real wood because I have cracked it already and had to pay for a replacment. Oh yeah, it used a metal plate behind it. Same goes for the older RX. see my previous post for further explanation. I don't know about the LS because I haven't worked on one.<p>... camera time! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Santeno at 1:07 PM 2/9/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>OMG then what are you arguing about about! What GS? Was I talking about that?? Still flogging the dead horse, eh? GET OVER IT. You're obviously not going to believe any of us (you're the only one so far who's disagreed). this is an absolute waste of both of our time.<p>BTW: metal plates do not neessarily mean it is the only way for wood to be real... look at MB <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This is SOOOO funny <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Flagship
02-09-2005, 01:12 PM
I believe all Lexus cars use real wood if you don't believe me look on the web site it states that Lexus cars use wood not simulated. <A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/models/es/interior.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/models/es/interior.html</A><p>Also if you take a flashlight and shine it on the wood you will see the grain, it is impossible for simulated wood to do this.<p>The older Lexus cars(pre 2000) Used to use metal behind the wood .My friend had a 1995 GS that had some wood chipped off by the shifter on the center console, under it showed the metal. <p><br><i>Modified by Flagship GT at 12:22 PM 2/9/2005</i><p><br><i>Modified by Flagship GT at 12:31 PM 2/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Flagship GT at 1:09 PM 2/9/2005</i>

spwolf
02-09-2005, 05:52 PM
to be fair to MB, a lot of their cars are cheaper than Lexus's so they have to use fakeys... Its all good, now back to the topic!

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 05:54 PM
back in the good ol' days all the arguments would be about BMW lol

ohme467
02-09-2005, 06:12 PM
man the exterior is such a let down. im sure it drives like a dream but theres nothing interesting about the front and the back is just plain ugly.

KebabGud
02-09-2005, 06:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">back in the good ol' days all the arguments would be about BMW lol</TD></TR></TABLE><br>My beemer has Fake aluminium trim! <br>(happy? ) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 06:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My beemer has Fake aluminium trim! <br>(happy? ) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats just scary now, the Jeep Cherokee has real aluminum dont it? <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Designo
02-09-2005, 09:00 PM
LOL! My dad's Cayenne has fake titanium trim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>anyways... is this car (GS) going to influence the rest of the Lexus line (like the S-Class for MB), or is this like the CLS (a new car/different styling)? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-09-2005, 09:34 PM
the current S tricled over the C and E substantially, but now the CLS has definately influenced the S which will influence the rest of the lineup as always i guess, SLK is influenced by the SLR while the SL remains far more conservative ( not a bad thing )<p>the GS is the first Lexus to get their new styling treatment ( even tho i think the SC foreshadowed it greatly ) the IS will be very interesting

Andre
02-10-2005, 01:21 AM
well, funny story, I was driving along going back to work from lunch when I saw a GS at the dealership. Slamming on the brakes I jerked into the lot (nearly crashing in the proccess) and hopped out. There was a crowd of dealers around it, so I pushed through and started taking pictures. <p>From the sounds of it, this is currently the only production GS in San Diego, possibly SoCal, and was being shown to the dealers for them to gawk at. The district Sales manager (African American in brown jacket, picture 3) apparently had JUST stopped in and was letting them have 10 minutes to play with it, learn about it, and get off again. So I was there in Lucky time. <p>Funny, as I was snapping photos, the district manager who was driving the car checked with me "you aren't a spy for Jaguar or Mercedes or something are you?" so I very honestly said "No, but I AM a spy with a website which focuses on the upcoming autos in the industry." After a second of unsettled silence (I was snickering because I found it funny that he thought this was an important thing) he said "ah well, I guess It won't make it very far down the street before you guys are on to it"<p>I had a very limited look at it, I was pressed for time and there were a bunch of other men gathered around and taking turns starting the car up. My opinion still holds on the fold down controls to the left of the steering wheel.<p>I will try to give you the urls to high res images.<br> <br>To view the high res on windows, internet explorer: right click the link, properties, copy the link's location, and paste into the URL bar<p>to view the High res on windows, Mozilla Firefox or Netscape Navigator: Right click on the link, select "copy image location" and paste into the URL bar<p>To view high res on Apple, Netscape Navigator: hold down mouse button on URL link until the menu pops up, slelect "copy link location" and paste into the url bar<p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p20083ed78c1361f734705cff7e2a435f/f52de4b1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p20083ed78c1361f734705cff7e2a435f/f52de4b1.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pf67866ed09e766bd6b1c39c539ecf4ce/f52de4d0.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pf67866ed09e766bd6b1c39c539ecf4ce/f52de4d0.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pf75fca63391d8b7d8195e923088f199c/f52de4c7.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pf75fca63391d8b7d8195e923088f199c/f52de4c7.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p02fdeece164aa158502f292045f97212/f52de4be.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p02fdeece164aa158502f292045f97212/f52de4be.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p3e10c79b541971fdbe754542aab75eba/f52de4ac.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p3e10c79b541971fdbe754542aab75eba/f52de4ac.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/ped2e0863f7c62a6230fdcf2a09631b43/f52de0e6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/ped2e0863f7c62a6230fdcf2a09631b43/f52de0e6.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p1c611ead569794e4f4f86f67df0c3f9c/f52de0df.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p1c611ead569794e4f4f86f67df0c3f9c/f52de0df.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p3386a3f2c079bde6138710395e2905e5/f52de0dc.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p3386a3f2c079bde6138710395e2905e5/f52de0dc.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p617eeacc0805271fb023e337b92430a4/f52de0d6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p617eeacc0805271fb023e337b92430a4/f52de0d6.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pa0ed26fab48e56afe0b56bd2d65594b6/f52de0d2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/pa0ed26fab48e56afe0b56bd2d65594b6/f52de0d2.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.imagestation.com/pi...g.jpg</A><p>It is a WONDERFUL car!!!!!!!!!!!! Except the buttons next to the steering wheel. I could barely tell it was on when I was in it.<p><br><i>Modified by Andre at 12:29 AM 2/10/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 12:30 AM 2/10/2005</i>

Chickpig
02-10-2005, 07:40 AM
nice pictures andre! thanks

Denali
02-10-2005, 08:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>the GS is the first Lexus to get their new styling treatment ( even tho i think the SC foreshadowed it greatly ) the IS will be very interesting</TD></TR></TABLE><p>SC needs a make over ASAP, my moms like it, so i know this car is girly unlike the 1st gen, real sports coupe

spwolf
02-10-2005, 10:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>SC needs a make over ASAP, my moms like it, so i know this car is girly unlike the 1st gen, real sports coupe</TD></TR></TABLE><p>interestingly , ppl like SC well enough... Lexus did some nice planning and limited production, there are still waiting lists in some countries, and production is slightly rising always, which is weird for this kind of car, at 4th year of age...<p>I do like it, but it is way too expensive for me... maybe IS convertible will be better suited to my needs :-)

Naga Royal Guard
02-10-2005, 10:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SC needs a make over ASAP, my moms like it, so i know this car is girly unlike the 1st gen, real sports coupe</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well the first SC was based on the infamous MKIV supra, so its got entirely different blood than the Crown-chassis SC, they changed the direction of the car entirely w/ the redesign, some say the old SC 400 was the most loved Lexus ever

Designo
02-10-2005, 04:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> some say the old SC 400 was the most loved Lexus ever </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have got to agree with that. My mom had a first-generation SC300 coupe back in the early 90's... white-pearl color. I love that Lexus as much as I love the late 1980's-1994 E-Class. <p>I think this car is at Lexus Carlsbad... have heard some things about it being there. I am going to check it out (if it's still there)... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-10-2005, 04:36 PM
i love how the first gen sc looks and im planning on buying it as a first car<br>The GS also looks nice but ive got the same complaint as Naga, the interior looks great in design but doesnt have enough wood or metal.

DoMiNo
02-11-2005, 04:59 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p1c611ead569794e4f4f86f67df0c3f9c/f52de0df.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Not sure how I feel about these buttons being concealed in the pop-out compartment thing-a-ma-bob. <p>Granted, these aren't vital functions, but I can see myself needing to adjust the mirrors on the road, or fold them pulling into a small space. Not to mention every time you want to pop your fuel door reset your odometer at the pump you have to do that. <p>Is that just me being lazy?

Cozz
02-11-2005, 05:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid157/p1c611ead569794e4f4f86f67df0c3f9c/f52de0df.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Not sure how I feel about these buttons being concealed in the pop-out compartment thing-a-ma-bob. <p>Granted, these aren't vital functions, but I can see myself needing to adjust the mirrors on the road, or fold them pulling into a small space. Not to mention every time you want to pop your fuel door reset your odometer at the pump you have to do that. <p>Is that just me being lazy?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I actually like it. It leaves less clutter around the dash and cleans up the driver's door panel. The RX330 has the same deal but not so many buttons. If I'm not mistaken, it looks like some sort of coil holder slot and Lexus puts the door with features only in cars that need those features like in different countries.

Hornbag
02-11-2005, 05:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [img]Is that just me being lazy?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, it is! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> LOL, j/k<p>I supose its there to make the dash look cleaner and clearer. I like this little function tho... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
02-11-2005, 05:28 PM
great photos...thanks<p>wow...it has no spoiler<p>why would there be a spy from Jaguar or MB? the car is coming out in less than a month...what does it matter?<p>do they mean from a jaguar dealership or like the head people who design cars b/c it wouldn't make sense<p>i'm very confused

knihc2008
02-11-2005, 09:51 PM
hey andre have any better pictures of the wheels? they look pretty good.<p>thena gain, the entire thing looks pretty good.

Chickpig
02-12-2005, 01:05 AM
Saw the car last week. The car looks real good in person! :) <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00467-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00468-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00469-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00471-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00472-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00473-med.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00474-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00475-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00476-med.jpg" BORDER="0">

Andre
02-12-2005, 01:44 AM
Nice photos Chickpig.... It's wierd seing an RHD car with a Lexus symbol on the steering wheel!!<p>I'll see tomorrow (today?) if I have better pictures of the wheels, My daughter is sleeping in the room where that computer is and she's had a rough 24 hours so I'm not going in there to use it.<p>As for the spy thing, I believe he was joking about me being a spy for Jag or Mercedes, but I think he seriously crawled for a second when I told him that I actually am a spy..... but he knows it's already been shown, and let me photograph anyway.

LEXUS FAN!
02-12-2005, 10:47 AM
thanks for the update andre<p>where are those pictures from chickpig? singapore? i didn't know the steering wheel is on the other side in singapore

Naga Royal Guard
02-12-2005, 12:07 PM
i went to a nearby lexy dealer, and they didnt have the thing<p>so i went to look at a infiniti G35 since they look the same anyway<p>and yes, lexus fan, chickpig is in singapore

DoMiNo
02-12-2005, 12:11 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402dsc00473-med.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>is that a strip of chrome below the doors? Kinda random...<p>I love the interior door panels, btw.

knicks125
02-12-2005, 12:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i went to a nearby lexy dealer, and they didnt have the thing<p>so i went to look at a infiniti G35 since they look the same anyway</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good one Naga <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
02-12-2005, 03:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice photos Chickpig.... It's wierd seing an RHD car with a Lexus symbol on the steering wheel!!<br>.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>then .. never go to the UK... there is tons of RHD Lexus there...<br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-12-2005, 03:19 PM
whats wrong w/ RHD Lexus?

RetroJapan
02-12-2005, 05:32 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62063&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62064&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62065&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62066&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62067&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br>Source: ClubLexus<p>:D

LEXUS FAN!
02-12-2005, 06:05 PM
great pictures..thanks<p>here are a few more from the Chicago Auto Show!!!<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150829" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...50829</A><p><br><i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 9:32 PM 2/12/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 9:32 PM 2/12/2005</i>

Top Secret
02-13-2005, 12:34 AM
No grabhandles in the interior - that's poo. No grabhandles in a Corolla, I accept, but none in a Lexus GS? Why?

Chickpig
02-13-2005, 12:34 AM
the lexus showroom in singapore. i'll get more shots next week!

Chickpig
02-13-2005, 01:16 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62133&stc=1" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62134&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62135&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62136&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62137&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br>source: clublexus

mzoltarp
02-13-2005, 07:36 AM
I love the side view. Gorgeous. The headlight treatment is ugly. Lexus had the chance to put a mean snarky nose on it to go with the zoomy styling and they did a make over look from the outgoing car.

anonms
02-13-2005, 12:06 PM
I think a makeover look is probably better for Lexus than something totally and radically new.

LEXUS FAN!
02-13-2005, 01:05 PM
autospies.com has 3 galleries of the new navigation and a lot of the cool features

DoMiNo
02-13-2005, 03:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">autospies.com has 3 galleries of the new navigation and a lot of the cool features</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Random note: I've noticed a seething hatred for Autospies on this site.<p>Which I completely agree with. That site is unreliable at best, and the guy who runs it is such a HORRIBLE writer that it downright offends me. How do people take it seriously?<p>Sorry if this is a random/bashing post. It isn't meant to be. The audacious ignorance of that site is just hilarious. <p>(this is by no means connected to Lexus Fan pointing out the picture gallery on the site... as I'm sure the pictures are fine, even if autospies labels them "THE WORLD EXCLUSIVE FIRST LOOK!!!")

Naga Royal Guard
02-13-2005, 03:59 PM
it is why we prefer to keep their material away from this site

Cozz
02-13-2005, 04:11 PM
Autolies, it's the National Enquirer of the automotive world.

LEXUS FAN!
02-13-2005, 05:07 PM
it may give wrong information, but they have a lot of good pictures sometimes

Naga Royal Guard
02-13-2005, 05:28 PM
refrain from linking to them, please

DoMiNo
02-13-2005, 10:18 PM
Haha, the black sheep of automotive "journalism." I love it. And the whole "We shall never speak of them" attitude is amusing! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Flagship
02-14-2005, 03:17 PM
Whatever happened to that I drive thing at the end of the shifter, its gone (THANK GOD).<br><A HREF="http://img109.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img109&image=lexusgs43020060248mv.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/349/lexusgs43020060248mv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

KebabGud
02-14-2005, 03:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whatever happened to that I drive thing at the end of the shifter, its gone (THANK GOD).<br><A HREF="http://img109.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img109&image=lexusgs43020060248mv.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/349/lexusgs43020060248mv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>iDrive? .. isent that BMW?<br>you are now scarying me

Flagship
02-14-2005, 03:41 PM
Those arrows are similar to BMWs idrive system. Looks like Lexus gave up on it since in all other pictures its gone. <p>The Acura RL and the Infiniti M35/45 have it but not the GS. Just goes to tell you that the Lexus GS will be the only one with touch screens. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

Denali
02-14-2005, 03:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>iDrive? .. isent that BMW?<br>you are now scarying me</TD></TR></TABLE><br>lol<br>i luv this car even more, just by this picture alone,<br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62065&stc=1" BORDER="0"><br> its going 2 be a beast againts E class, A6 n 5-series

anonms
02-14-2005, 04:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Flagship GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whatever happened to that I drive thing at the end of the shifter, its gone (THANK GOD).<br><A HREF="http://img109.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img109&image=lexusgs43020060248mv.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img109.exs.cx/img109/349/lexusgs43020060248mv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Those would have been for the navigation system, not for a mockery of iDrive.

spwolf
02-14-2005, 04:35 PM
i think those are controlls that can be covered (which is why you cant see them in all pics), but basically it is seat heating control and few other gizmo's like that. You can see them in some pics more clearly...<p>Since GS and Lexus in general uses touchscreen displays, i-drive-like controlls are not really suitable in any case.

KebabGud
02-14-2005, 06:44 PM
look closer.. its Navi controlls..<br>why have a "enter" button and a magnifying glass to heat the seats?<br>it looks like they dropped it ..<br>if you look at the Autolies pictures.. (sinner !!!!)<br>you can see that it is not there (no outlines to hint to a hidden .. thing)<br>it is touchscreen.. <br>

Naga Royal Guard
02-14-2005, 07:17 PM
the HPX/LF-X had a version of the iDrive - a ripoff but thankfully it was only a musing

Hornbag
02-15-2005, 12:45 AM
I like iDrive. I really like the idea of the touch screen, very easy to use.

RetroJapan
02-15-2005, 03:49 PM
A few more pics<p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62292&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62287&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62269&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62272&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p>Source: ClubLexus

knihc2008
02-15-2005, 04:38 PM
holy chipotle, the car looks good. especially those rims; haven't seen them before. that front view with the ES looks MEAN.

Chickpig
02-16-2005, 07:54 AM
great pics! This car looks really set to win! Love it's interior!

Naga Royal Guard
02-16-2005, 08:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RetroJapan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A few more pics<p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62292&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p>Source: ClubLexus</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>would these be the " G-Spider" Rims?

RetroJapan
02-16-2005, 09:15 AM
No, these would be the 18" Tourmaline wheels:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.sewellparts.com/images/partpic/2697.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The 18" G Spider wheels are these:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.sewellparts.com/images/partpic/2684.jpg" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-16-2005, 09:19 AM
wow, lexus has some rim options; finally learnin the game :)

Andre
02-16-2005, 06:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RetroJapan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A few more pics<p><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62292&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p>Source: ClubLexus</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm, I thought of "G35" from this angle

Hornbag
02-16-2005, 11:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hmm, I thought of "G35" from this angle</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, i didnt think. When i see this car i just stop and drool, i cant help my self <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
02-17-2005, 12:56 AM
Thats exactly how i feel about the car....every angle i c it...i love it...<p>The 18inch wheels better be a option in Australia...and hopefully there will be more sporty accessories (Skirting and more Alloys)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scorpio14 at 1:05 PM 2/19/2005</i>

RetroJapan
02-17-2005, 02:39 AM
A few more :)<p><IMG SRC="http://images.cyclones-world.net/IMG_3249c.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://images.cyclones-world.net/IMG_3248c.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Source: ClubLexus

spwolf
02-17-2005, 07:06 AM
red looks suprisingly good

Chickpig
02-17-2005, 07:30 AM
Taken at preview tonight. Fantastic car i would say other than the boot which is not very large. yeah. Many nice details there in the car. LED lights are aplenty inside. The screen is very high-reso and has calender and telephone book functions. Seats are very confortable and supportive. <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00502.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00503.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00504.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00505.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00506.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00507.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00508.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00509.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00510.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00511.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00512.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00513.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00514.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00515.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00516.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00517.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00518.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00519.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00520.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00521.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00522.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00523.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00524.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00525.JPG" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 12:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RetroJapan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62269&stc=1" BORDER="0"><p>Source: ClubLexus</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The GS looks so good it makes the ES look like a Camry with a Lexus badge...oh wait...it is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
02-18-2005, 07:29 AM
the Beauty and the Beast

SV
02-18-2005, 07:35 AM
and i was starting to like the ES's styling until i saw this picture, wow...i think toyota has a hit on their hands with the GS.

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 09:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the Beauty and the Beast</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, in order, it should be beast and the beauty! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
02-18-2005, 09:46 PM
Am I the only one who thinks when looking at the interior pics on the previous page, the leather looks very plasticky and 'cheap'? And anyone else object to the exclusion of the grab handles?!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Top Secret at 5:24 AM 2/19/2005</i>

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 10:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And anyone else object to the removal of the grab handles?!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree, this car is a 'luxury' car and should have them. No excuses. Even a Kia has grab handles!!!

jro4566
02-19-2005, 08:40 AM
This car really has grown on me. I really like it now, but that doesn't change my opinion that the new M is probably a better car.

Andre
02-19-2005, 11:51 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/501/22402DSC00515.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>It DOES have grab handles, they are just over the occupant's heads instead of on the pillar. And no, the Leather was not cheap. Flash reflecting off leather makes it look shiny and cheap. It did not feel cheap. <p>Wait and make those statements once you have sat in the car

KebabGud
02-19-2005, 01:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jro4566</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This car really has grown on me. I really like it now, but that doesn't change my opinion that the new M is probably a better car.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>What M?<br>M5 ? dont say you are compareing the GS to a V10 500hp super saloon (M5)

Flagship
02-19-2005, 02:05 PM
Why can't he, back in the 1990s people said that Lexus will never make it look at them now. <p>I have been in this car and it is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Lexus leather cheap???Have you ever been in a Lexus <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
02-19-2005, 02:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What M?<br>M5 ? dont say you are compareing the GS to a V10 500hp super saloon (M5)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think hes talking about the infinity m45 and flagship i love Lexus'x but ive seen several lexus leather cracking and this was in the high end ones like the ls and lx and only about 2 years old

Naga Royal Guard
02-19-2005, 02:29 PM
it has to be taken care of, ive seen leather cracking in a relatively new LR Disco