View Full Version : 2005 BMW 3-Series E90 Press Release

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11-01-2004, 01:33 PM
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11-01-2004, 01:33 PM
from CanadianDriver.com:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/04images/06bmw_330i_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/04images/06bmw_330i_3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/04images/06bmw_330i_4.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/04images/06bmw_330i_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/041026-5.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/041026-5.htm</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New BMW 3 Series sedan to be unveiled at Geneva Motor Show <p><br>Whitby, Ontario - BMW announced the redesigned BMW 3-Series will make its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show in Spring, 2005, and its Canadian debut at the Pacific International Auto Show in Vancouver at the end of March. <p>The new 3 Series Sedan will go on sale in Canada in the Summer of 2005. The new 3-Series is larger inside and out. At 4520 mm, the length increases by 49 mm. The width at 1817 mm increases by 78 mm. Vehicle height is 1421 mm, an increase of 6 mm. The wheelbase is 35 mm longer at 1421 mm. <p>It will come with a choice of two in-line six-cylinder engines (330i, 325i). An all-new 3.0-litre unit in the 330i is rated at 255-horsepower, a 30-horsepower increase over its predecessor. Its torque of 221 lb-ft is maintained consistently between 2500 and 4000 rpm. The new 330i will accelerate from 0 - 100 km/h in 6.3 seconds. <p>This engine is the first in large-scale series production to use magnesium which, compared to aluminium, is 30 percent lighter. Magnesium is used in the crankcase, the crankshaft bearings and the cylinder head cover. <p>This engine is also the first six-cylinder to use BMW's 'Valvetronic'. With infinitely variable valve lift in place of the traditional throttle butterfly, this system improves both throttle response and fuel efficiency. In the case of the 330i, horsepower increases by 13%, while fuel consumption decreases by 12%. This technology works in tandem with BMW's 'Double-Vanos' variable valve timing for both intake and exhaust camshafts. <p>The BMW 325i Sedan, also featuring a magnesium crankcase and Valvetronic will make its Canadian debut alongside the 330i. With a maximum engine output of 218 horsepower, the 2.5 litre 325i has a maximum torque of 184 lb-ft between 2750 and 4250 rpm and acceleration to 100 km/h in 7.1 seconds. <p>Both models will be offered in Canada with a choice of a standard six-speed manual transmission or optional six-speed Steptronic automatic transmission. <p>The 3 Series is the latest BMW to feature a start button. <p>Like other BMWs, the new 3 Series gets a double-pivot front suspension for improved responsiveness. The newly developed suspension is made of aluminium to further improve responsiveness and comfort by reducing unsprung weight. A new five-link rear suspension contributes to an improvement in handling and comfort. The new rear suspension is made of lightweight steel, which also contributes to the overall reduction of unsprung weight. <p>The new 3 Series Sedan will also offer BMW's unique Active Steering. This stand-alone option provides a more direct steering ratio at low speeds for greater manoeuvrability and a progressively less direct ratio as vehicle speed increases to improve high-speed stability. <p>BMW's latest Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) incorporates new features: a new brake-drying feature can improve braking in wet weather, detected using the rain sensor and/or wiper activity, by gently rubbing the brake pads on the rotors to help keep the pad surface dry. A new Brake Standby feature can reduce braking response time by readying the brakes for application whenever the driver abruptly lifts off the accelerator pedal. The new Starting Assistant feature is designed to prevent rollback when starting off on a grade without having to use the brake pedal or handbrake. <p></TD></TR></TABLE>

12-20-2004, 07:59 PM
I haven't seen speakers placed on doors like that since --- ever!

12-20-2004, 09:03 PM
The old 3'er had those as well, they're mid-range speakers. You want to see some awkward speaker placement, have a look inside the new Passat!

12-21-2004, 05:03 PM
Atleast VW integrated the speakers in with the design of the door, compared to BMW's attempt which looks like it was installed by CarToys.

12-27-2004, 04:28 PM
WOW, im doing a lot of wos latley! Geez, BMW can make such beautiful cars (unlike that MPV thing), and this is one fine example. Very clean and exiting, and not overdone with flamer surfacing. The only part i dont like is the speaker placement and how they have done an audi with the grille (i know it looks different, but the flowing looks the same).<p>But what is that round light thing in the top picture in the centre of the grille?

12-27-2004, 04:34 PM
probably some type of distronic/radar

12-31-2004, 11:40 AM
i cant wait for the m3..<p>that thing is going to be a beast <p>i like the new 3...i just wish the rear end of the car was as sharp as the front end was <p>and the round thing is probably the radar for the adaptive cruise control

01-16-2005, 05:49 AM
pictures taken at some press launch<br><IMG SRC="http://img134.exs.cx/img134/3760/dsc006806yd.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img134.exs.cx/img134/5624/dsc006818ah.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img52.exs.cx/img52/413/dsc006823pc.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img105.exs.cx/img105/8056/dsc006980si.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3995/dsc006979ij.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/2164/dsc006957fx.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/3347/dsc006935yb.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/7310/dsc006926pb.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/417/dsc006900oh.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img52.exs.cx/img52/9407/dsc006886mj.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img52.exs.cx/img52/3148/dsc006859uv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img52.exs.cx/img52/6466/dsc006860tj.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img108.exs.cx/img108/5719/dsc006870dv.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img103.exs.cx/img103/4884/dsc006898as.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>bimmerfest<p>those white indicators look soooo good, and some beautiful colors

01-16-2005, 10:41 AM
i do like the 3 series as i do most of them but there we go,<br>i still aint feelin the shark fin antena

01-16-2005, 01:19 PM
OK, why the difference in the front indicator lights in these pictures, the response.jp and cam pics have white indicators, the canadiandriver pics have orange indicators. Are these side marker lights for different countries or are they different models of 3-series?

01-16-2005, 01:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ajprice</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, why the difference in the front indicator lights in these pictures, the response.jp and cam pics have white indicators, the canadiandriver pics have orange indicators. Are these side marker lights for different countries or are they different models of 3-series?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>All models have white turn indicators, while US and some other versions (due to legislation) have orange reflectors / side markers at the front side. BMW integrated those sickle-like reflectors in headlight clusters - white as standard, orange in countries where legislation demands it.

01-18-2005, 08:16 AM
<IMG SRC="http://cars.msn.co.uk/pidl/87280663/NewBMW3Series23.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cars.msn.co.uk/pidl/87280663/NewBMW3Series33.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cars.msn.co.uk/pidl/87280663/NewBMW3Series114.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cars.msn.co.uk/pidl/87279373/NewBMW3Series83.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cars.msn.co.uk/pidl/87279373/NewBMW3Series67.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>More at <A HREF="http://cars.msn.co.uk/Carreviewshome/FDBMW3seriesJan05" TARGET="_blank">http://cars.msn.co.uk/Carrevie...Jan05</A><p><i>Source: msn.co.uk</i>

01-18-2005, 08:48 AM
i like this car a lot, but its just the fact that its lost most of its sportyness, and looks much more exec, it doesnt reali appeal to me as much as the e46 and e36 did when they came out.<p>I am going to reserve my overall opinion about this car, until i have seen it in the metal.

01-20-2005, 06:57 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3041026.001/1037big.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3041026.001/1036big.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3041026.001/1034big.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>Source: GermanCarFans</i><p>More here: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/photos.cfm/PhotoID/3041026.001/bmw/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/p....html</A><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62703.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>Source: AutoBild</i><p>Anybody have a larger version of this one?

01-20-2005, 07:13 AM
In that family pic you can see how much the width has grown with respect the E46.

01-21-2005, 09:55 AM
its more agressive looking than the others

01-21-2005, 02:12 PM
Larger version of the pic could be found here:<p><A HREF="http://www.bmw-drivers.de/viewtopic.php?t=10896" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmw-drivers.de/viewtopic.php?t=10896</A>

01-21-2005, 03:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>booker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Larger version of the pic could be found here:<p><A HREF="http://www.bmw-drivers.de/viewtopic.php?t=10896" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmw-drivers.de/viewtopic.php?t=10896</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>here it is, if that is the pic. Thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://photoalbum.powershot.de/fotos/90/67//0e52da25fba6b52264de871d79879fe0.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>wow the new one looks to be bigger. But it's just following the trend.

02-01-2005, 02:19 AM
some real life pics from an user from <A HREF="http://www.autoscoops.nl" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoscoops.nl</A><p><IMG SRC="http://img178.exs.cx/img178/6235/dscn0685small0lh.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img178.exs.cx/img178/7128/dscn0698small1mx.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img178.exs.cx/img178/2654/dscn0702small6vs.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img178.exs.cx/img178/2329/dscn0694small1vr.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img178.exs.cx/img178/6205/dscn0690small1sm.jpg" BORDER="0">

02-01-2005, 04:33 AM
the grill doesnt have the chrom slats

02-01-2005, 05:02 AM
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02-01-2005, 12:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the grill doesnt have the chrom slats</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Only the 330i (and presumably the 325i) have chrome slats.<p>Man, this car is looking really, really good. Can't wait to check it out!

02-15-2005, 05:16 AM
I've read 2 articles that say the 325i has a 215hp 3-liter engine.<br>Here they are...<br><I>"Of keen interest to Bimmer fans is the fact that <B>both the 325i and 330i are now powered by 3.0-liter engines</B>. The only real difference between the two is output. The 325's inline six comes through with 215 horsepower and 185 pound-feet of torque. The 330i is still a much bigger treat, though. Its new engine weighs 22 pounds less than its predecessor. It's also more powerful, more fuel-efficient and more compact. In addition to the usual double VANOS magic, this engine features the Valvetronic continuously variable valve lift seen in the 5 and 7 Series. At 255 hp, it's still not the most powerful engine in its class, but it revs like a demon and delivers a meaty torque curve well matched to its crisp-shifting six-speed manual gearbox."</I><br>- <A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insidelin...e.promo.2g" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidelin...e.promo.2g</A><br>Is this true? Is this for the North American market only? <p><I>"In Canada, we'll receive two 3 Series sedans for a mid-year introduction (early summer). <B>The 325i is powered by a 3.0-litre engine </B>with a new magnesium crankshaft making 215-horsepower and 185 lb.-ft. of torque. Like all BMW six-cylinder engines, it's an inline cylinder configuration mounted longitudinally. <p>The 330i (which we drove at the press introduction) is equipped with the same 3.0 litre engine, but with a different intake and computer management system. It makes 255-horsepower and 220 lb.-ft torque." </I><br>- <A HREF="http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/06_bmw_3.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canadiandriver.com/...3.htm</A><p>

02-15-2005, 09:51 AM
As to engine size, according to auto motor und sport:<p>x23i, 2.5l, 177ps, 230nm<br>x25i, 2.5l, 218ps, 250nm<br>x30i, 3.0l, 258ps, 300nm<p>These number are for the updated 5-series, coming this spring in Europe, but the same engines will of course go in to the new 3.

02-15-2005, 01:15 PM
It does look like the NA 325i will have a detuned 3 liter engine instead of the 2.5l engine found in the European version. Not sure as to the reasoning behind it though...

02-16-2005, 12:06 AM
Such a detuned version should be named 328i instead, then.

02-16-2005, 06:57 AM
The US 325i seems to be comparable to the Euro 325i in terms of power. Plus I think it will be easier to market a 325i and a 330i, rather than a 328i and a 330i. The US buyer is already familiar with 325i and 330i, why change it up?<p>Edit: BMW USA's 3 series minisite has been updated with new interior and exterior photographs and wallpapers (including shots of the non-iDrive cockpit). I'd link directly to 'em, but the site is in Flash: <A HREF="http://www.bmwtransact.com/microsite/new3/maincontent.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmwtransact.com/mic....html</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by badman at 5:04 PM 2/16/2005</i>

02-16-2005, 05:20 PM
All I can say is wow. I love the e36, e46 bmw 3-series. But in the group picture they look so old and ugly. I really must say I didn't expect the car could become any better design wise. The only complaint I have is the rear taillights could have had a better design and the interior could have got some more attention. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

03-10-2005, 09:18 AM
I like the the 3 series. I heard Bangle didn't have that much to do with the design, which is a good thing. Can't wait to seethe new M3's

03-10-2005, 09:57 AM
Bangle didn't have much to do with most of the designs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

03-12-2005, 05:41 AM
I've just seen a black 330i in the flesh! WOW! It is gorgeous, even more beautiful than in the press pics. <br>PS<br>Can anyone please scan and post the comparison test between the new 3 and its competitors from last week's AUTOCAR magazine. Please, as I simply cannot find any copy of teh magazine in Romania, there are TG, WhatCar, AutoExpress on the magazine stands, but not AUTOCAR. :(

03-12-2005, 07:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can anyone please scan and post the comparison test between the new 3 and its competitors from last week's AUTOCAR magazine. Please, as I simply cannot find any copy of teh magazine in Romania, there are TG, WhatCar, AutoExpress on the magazine stands, but not AUTOCAR. :(</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here it is - the Autocar's comparison test of diesels: BMW 320d, Audi A4, MB C-class and Jaguar X-type:<p><A HREF="http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/about_bmw/news/index/0,4624,1104___hom-1%252Bco-149421600,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/about....html</A><p><I> <B>Verdict</B><br>Its hard not to feel sorry for the X-type. For many of us, this black Sport was the most desirable looking X-type wed ever seen, and driven in isolation it has plenty to offer. Despite being down on power, the British car can hold its own in the torque race and on the road you never question its performance, and it can be still an enjoyable drive on varied roads. But it is simply outclassed here  both as a static object, a means of travel, and as a car to drive.<br>The Audi is next up. It is still a desirable car in most peoples eyes, its built to the usual exacting standards and benefits from low running costs. Nevertheless, it cant match the other Germans as a drivers car or a soothing cruiser  and it doesnt offer their practicality either.<br>The Mercedes is a genuinely desirable car  close to the BMW in just about every area and exceeding it in a few. In its own way its fun to drive, relaxing to drive over a long distance and will always look prestigious on the driveway.<p>But there is a clear winner. The new 3 Series is simply an amazing example of a meticulously thorough engineering project taken to its fullest conclusion. The powertrain is truly great, in the fullest sense of that over-used phrase, and its ability as a drivers car is unmatched. Yet it is also the roomiest and the most refined. What must be really worrying for its rivals is that such a victory can be scored despite our reservations about the ride quality. Without that, it would be a complete whitewash. As it is, wed recommend a proper test drive to assess the ride comfort  especially if you want the larger wheels  before signing on the dotted line for a 3 Series. Either way, the status quo is resumed; this class will still takes its name from the BMW 3 Series.<br></I><p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 4:23 PM 3/12/2005</i>

03-12-2005, 07:41 AM
Thanks Tine. Very good read. Im glad to see the 3 series getting the reviews it deserves, although i arhuee the C-clases 2nd place. I say the Audi should be 2nd!

03-16-2005, 01:33 PM
I saw one of these on a truck....it was really cool.......I love this

03-25-2005, 07:32 PM
BMW debuted the 325i at NY<p>has BMW said anything about the price?<p>it's coming out in the fall, right?

03-25-2005, 07:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the grill doesnt have the chrom slats</TD></TR></TABLE><br>probebly the same as the E46 ..<br>so the 4cyl versions does not have chrom slats and the 6cyl versions have..<br>same with the line around the side windows.. <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by KebabGud at 3:50 AM 3/26/2005</i>

03-25-2005, 09:23 PM
I thought I read it was coming in May? Not sure.<p>Price stated today for base 325i was $30,175 I think. That's a two or three hundred up on the E46.

03-25-2005, 09:35 PM
ive seen 5 in just the last week .. 4 black and 1 silver :p<br>

03-25-2005, 10:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought I read it was coming in May? Not sure.<p>Price stated today for base 325i was $30,175 I think. That's a two or three hundred up on the E46.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its also 30bhp up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

03-26-2005, 12:53 AM
Don' like it...strange looking back... strangeeee

03-26-2005, 08:28 AM
You can see the pricing at <A HREF="http://www.bmwusa.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmwusa.com</A><p>Pricing aint that bad actually for entry level models, however you dont get too much equipment.<p>If you want leather, power seats, it will run up to 34k and thats significantly more than competition.<p>Add an auto, and it will be 35.5k - thats a lot for really an entry level 325 (for luxury brand, leather and Auto is considered "base" equipment).<p>Personally, the way I would want my 325 to be, it would cost more than 330i, so I would rather get 330i with xenons and auto/smg its 38.5k... a lot!!!<p>

03-28-2005, 11:49 AM
This is one of my favourite new cars. I was at the release in the town I live in, but they had just stock cars, without extra accesories, so i was abit dissapointed, but man the car looks fine. <p>And I am excited to see the turbo coming back to BMW. If the rumours that i've heard is true:<p>A new 335i will come out with the same engine as the 330i but with a Turbo on it. the same with the diesel, 335d, the same engine as the 330d, but with a turbodiesel engine. I am excited. Can anyone confirm theese rumours?

03-28-2005, 02:17 PM
As I know BMW is working on a new light-weight petrol & diesel turbo engines (two stage turbo - like a diesel one in a 535d). The models with petrol turbo engines will be labeled "ii" and/or "Sii". I guess we will see a 330ii / 330Sii very soon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>There is a big gap between 258HP 330i and expected 440HP M3. BMW knows it needs a 330ii / 330Sii (for US market) to beat new IS350 and upcoming new G35. <p>I hope scott26 will provide us with detailed info as soon as possible.

03-28-2005, 10:33 PM
Thanks. Looking forward to see some more info on them cars. I think BMW is making a good chioce making theese cars. Maybe the rich people who former bought 7-series or MB S-class will buy the smaller 3-series with a powerful engine. I think it will be insane :D

03-30-2005, 12:11 PM
Hey guys, new here, but saw the new 3 today, have pics, but dont know how to post them... any help?

03-30-2005, 12:38 PM
You will find any help you need here.<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14271" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14271</A><p>Sure, it helped me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

03-30-2005, 12:46 PM
Is it some spyshots from the conv/coupe? or touring? or just the one that is released?

03-30-2005, 01:05 PM
Just the one released, in person..<p> <A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://i140.exs.cx/img140/9087/1020289img3mb.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

03-31-2005, 12:49 AM
Look at that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I actually kinda like the orange indicators on the US version, but maybe with a different colour

03-31-2005, 05:34 AM
the orange indicators help the front end from looking washed out... they add some color... i think it looks great like that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

03-31-2005, 05:54 AM
I love it - the indicators <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

04-04-2005, 01:57 PM
OK so I just saw the 330i yesterday at the NY Auto Show and have a question. The front lights had the orange reflectors like the pic above which looked great. The tail lights though were all red lensed with the white reverse light. Up until now, all the pictures I've seen of the tail lights showed an orange turn signal indicator in the rear cluster but these were all read...one piece of plastic. Will it still blink orange even behind red covers or will it blink red like the previous generation U.S. spec 5-series wagon?

04-08-2005, 10:52 PM
BRAVO BMW for making every single car you sell as stupid-looking as possible. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> Bangle wins the world record from making an entire company go from hot to not in under three years. You would never know from the new lineup this was the same company that made the Z8.

04-09-2005, 03:39 AM
go away <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

04-09-2005, 05:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kevinb120</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BRAVO BMW for making every single car you sell as stupid-looking as possible. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> Bangle wins the world record from making an entire company go from hot to not in under three years. You would never know from the new lineup this was the same company that made the Z8.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is this why the bangle designs sell and the Z8 never did?

04-09-2005, 05:36 AM
Geez Coss, u know how to shut people down! Rock on man!<p>I just cant wait for the 3 series! The only thing im worried about is the build quality...cos the 5 series isnt up to scratch, please let this BMW be great quality!

04-09-2005, 07:43 AM
LOL: you are just lost man. The Z8 is the only Bimer that breaks with some of the traditions of BMW. Who cares about what you think anyways?

Top Secret
04-09-2005, 07:56 AM
When did the Z8 ever lose some tradition of BMW?!

04-10-2005, 08:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fcuke</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL: you are just lost man. The Z8 is the only Bimer that breaks with some of the traditions of BMW. Who cares about what you think anyways?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ditto<p>All the hi-brows here own Mercedes now, a lot of them owned 5 and 7 series before that.

04-10-2005, 01:41 PM
Not bad looking but pricing is kind of high compared to its competition... Can't wait for mag comparisons.<p>Didn't the sales of the 5 and 7 go down after the Bangle changes...?

04-10-2005, 04:52 PM
I don't know...this new one just doesn't seem to do it for me....it's nice and all, but I prefer the current gen much more, then again, I have always been more of a fan to the 2 door than the 4 door...

04-11-2005, 04:20 AM
Silver is this cars colour, the grey release pictures look crap, but silver looks madness.<p>Yeh, i wana know if the 5 series and 7 series lost sales wit thier Bangle designs too!!!

04-11-2005, 05:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeh, i wana know if the 5 series and 7 series lost sales wit thier Bangle designs too!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>According to BMW, new 5 & 7-series are selling more successfully than old 5er and 7er in the same life-cycle period. Worldwide! I don't know for US market though ...<p><I>Accounting for almost 160,000 units delivered to customers worldwide, the fourth-generation 7 Series is BMWs most successful luxury saloon so far. After 38 months in the market, the current 7 Series has outsold its  already very successful  predecessor by almost 8 per cent. And accounting for 57,899 units sold worldwide in 2003 alone, the BMW 7 Series in its best year so far outperformed the former model in its best year (1997) by almost 14 per cent. <br>In Germany the BMW 7 Series was the best-selling luxury saloon in 2004, and growth of BMW 7 Series sales in Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Oceania, and Africa has been truly impressive: Compared with its predecessor, the current 7 Series has more than doubled its sales volume within its lifecycle so far of 38 months.<br></I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050302.003/bmw/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n....html</A><p><I>More BMW 5 Series were delivered to customers in 2004 than ever before: 229,598 units of the BMW 5 Series models were sold, 23.8% more than in the previous year. In the first full year of sale since its launch in July 2003, 191,361 units of the BMW 5 Series Sedan were sold, an increase of<br>22.6% over the previous year. In May 2004, the new BMW 5 Series Touring was introduced, initially in Europe, and by the end of the year, 31,342 units had been delivered to customers. Including 6,895 units of the predecessor model sold before the year-end, the total sales volume for the BMW 5 Series Touring in 2004 reached 38,237 units (+30.3%).</I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bmwgroup_com/2_investor_relations/2_2_publikationen/2_2_1_geschaeftsbericht_04/pdfs/lagebericht.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_...t.pdf</A> (page 13)<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 3:51 PM 4/11/2005</i>

04-11-2005, 06:22 AM
Thx for that Tine, u rock dude. Im glad they are selling well, i just hope the 3 series sells very well as it is the major selling Beemer model...

04-11-2005, 08:34 AM
It will, don't worry <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

04-11-2005, 11:21 PM
I think this may be the first 3 series in history that will look better <i>with</i> a spoiler. I think a trailing edge one, like on the M5, would restore a little of the 'pointiness' of the E46 trunk lid. Hopefully something along these lines will be available on the M-sport package.

04-13-2005, 09:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Silver is this cars colour, the grey release pictures look crap, but silver looks madness.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Today is your lucky day. well, not quite. The computers not reading the disk that <br>the photos r on. I'll post them soon tho, when I've worked out wots the problem

04-22-2005, 08:48 AM
After this afternoon, I am convinced that the problem with this car is that it's just being photographed badly.<p>I was working during the launch of a new car transporter ship at Circular Quay in Sydney Harbour today, shuttling VIPs from the lower decks to the bridge (in a Kia carnival, of all things), and whilst nowhere near full to capacity, there were a number of decks on the way up half filled with new Mercs, Discovery 3s, Minis, Pugs and the like. The most interesting deck, however, was the one containing about 20 brand new E90s, en route to Brisbane.<p>I can tell you, forget what you've seen on the net and in magazines. In reality, the whole design just seems to work. Even the shape of the tail lights makes sense when you see how the light reflects off the curved character line running from the trailing edge of the DLO into their top edge.<p>It's very much a car to be viewed in three dimensions. I think a silver 330i with 19-inch wheels would look amazing .

04-24-2005, 08:51 AM
never mind, saw another one, but not in silver <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4694/dscn23921hg0ty.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img192.imageshack.us/im...y.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3051/rscn23936nc1zs.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img37.imageshack.us/img...s.jpg</A><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by revilo_ at 9:13 AM 7/4/2005</i>

04-24-2005, 10:03 AM
I was in Frankfurt last week and saw quite a few of them around in various colors. I think the car looks much better in person than photos as well and also looks really great in black and silver. Still haven't seen any in England, but I guess they are out now.

04-24-2005, 09:30 PM
Great find revilo_ pity about the colour, i still recon silver rox on this car! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But there is one thing i have come to HATE about Beemers of late, the cheap centre armrest/vents for that back seat passengers? It looks so cheap <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> its not funny... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img242.echo.cx/img242/5522/cheap****8dm.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

04-26-2005, 12:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great find revilo_ pity about the colour, i still recon silver rox on this car! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thx. but my other piccy woz better. shame i cant post it

04-27-2005, 07:00 PM
sorry to break the convo, but where does the new 3-series bring in elements from past 3-series,I think the new three is turning into a baby bangle mobile now, and no hint of the original 3 is left,someone tell me otherwise,I s bangle killing my favorite car,or making it better?

04-27-2005, 09:23 PM
actually funny you should mention that...I got a thing in the mail from bimmer which had info on the new 3 series and it came with this little flip out thing which opened up really long and has all the 3 series lined up next to each other (starting with the 2002 which really was the start to the 3 series we know today) and it showed all it's successors lined up enxt to each other...it's actually pretty crazy how good the e30 still looks...such a nice car, nice stance and a nice front end...and at the end the e90 is there, but there isn't much there to compare to other 3 series besides the kidney grills...and one thing I've noticed, the grills get larger and larger every generation of 3 series (I'm sure the same goes for all the other bimmers, but anyways, just thought it was interesting)...maybe I'll scan the thing in later...<p>EDIT: ok, I scanned it, it is still pretty long but i shrinked it down to 25% of it's original size...I also included the link to the full size version...<p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img249.echo.cx/img249/7461/3seriessmall3ov.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Big Version&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img46.echo.cx/img46/7002/3series5kb.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img46.echo.cx/img46/7002/3series5kb.jpg</A><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Nick at 10:15 PM 4/27/2005</i>

04-29-2005, 05:45 AM
I say put the old 3 series grille on the new one, the whole chrome top thing doesnt do it for me...

04-29-2005, 09:06 AM
I saw a silver 3-series today on display... it looks better in real life.<br>The rear that many don't like that much actually looked good when I saw it.<br>Maybe it was because of the lighter color. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://img130.echo.cx/img130/9028/3seriesrearam27mp.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 12:12 AM 4/30/2005</i>

04-29-2005, 09:39 AM
Well the E90's are officially in dealers now!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Two of them up on Ebay as we speak!!<p>A 330<br><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6007&item=4546511889&rd=1" TARGET="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1</A><p>and a 325<br><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6007&item=4546532068&rd=1" TARGET="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1</A><p>

the cheddar
04-29-2005, 04:54 PM
I just saw two on my way to work in LA. They actually look much nicer in person. It does look like a very nice, clean evolution of the E46 in some ways. <p>Nice pic Nick! I'm putting that on my wall. Cheers! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

05-01-2005, 03:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I saw a silver 3-series today on display... it looks better in real life.<br>The rear that many don't like that much actually looked good when I saw it.<br>Maybe it was because of the lighter color.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The light silver<B> is</B> this cars colour! It just looks so good in sliver, all those creases and curves just seem to glue togther with lighter colours, whereas darker colours make these lines more complex and un-finished looking IMO. Just like the 1 series i believe, i hated it when i first saw it, but in real life in a light white it looks AMAZING IMO! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

05-02-2005, 11:18 AM
I have an AMAZING picture of this car in silver. the first time i saw it, which was on a truck, it was covered in camo, but the next day, I saw it without. this car, is going to be GREAT for BMW.

05-02-2005, 11:20 AM
well post away <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

05-04-2005, 01:11 AM
i cant. the skool comps. are ribbish and cant read my cd. I'll have to wait a while to post it at home

05-23-2005, 11:03 AM
Does anyone else think it sucks that if you want these cars with the sport pkg you'll have to put new tires on probably every year, cause the tires are diff. size front to back which means you cant rotate them?<br>And yes I know its something BMW has been doing, but come on.....<br>my 2001 doesnt have different sizes....is there really a need for it.

05-23-2005, 04:10 PM
Yes, I think that is absolute BS. I rotate my 3 sport's tires regularly, saving me major $. <p>I just sat in one at the dealer last Friday and was TOTALLY disappointed. The interior is a major step back, functionally, from the E46 series. Its design may look nice to some but is not driver-oriented at all. The materials are nothing short of second-rate. And the i-drive that you have to get with the navi - Don't get me started. It all just seems very misguided.<p>I'm sure it drives wonderfully but with all the great cars competing now, I don't think I'll even consider this one. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

05-24-2005, 05:54 AM
I wouldnt go that far (Vector), I still LOVE this car, and will DEF be getting one, just a little ticked about the tires.<br>Having thoroughly gone thru the car, this is the one complaint i have. EVERYTHING else is amazing....

05-24-2005, 06:20 AM
Does anyone know when the remaining engines comes?

05-24-2005, 03:51 PM
I just drove one at lunch today and I kind of share Vector's sentiments. While the driving dynamics are pure BMW (wonderful, connected, responsive, etc.) the interior and iDrive are rather glaring disappointments (IMHO). Materials weren't up to usual par and the design is a little too...designy. I've been wondering if maybe it's just the shock of such a radical departure (I had a 323 and currently drive a 2001 5) but I don't think so. I honestly prefer the E46 interior.<p>In any case, it did handle VERY well and the new 3 litre (it was a 325i) is an excellent improvement over the previous 2.5. I don't doubt the BMW fans will be pleased as I was with its on-road manners. But in my opinion, the interior is a pretty major problem area. That said, I still might buy a touring when they arrive next year so I suppose it wasn't bad enough to cross it off my list entirely.

05-25-2005, 01:19 AM
I've seen another 325i. had a look at the interior, and it looks very smart inside. I WANT one

06-13-2005, 07:47 PM
My friend is thinking about the new 3 series (330i), although an article and a recent test drive had him think twice. He has invited me to go with him to another dealer since he was not happy with the first dealer he went to. <p>He was disappointed about the car, espeically the interior and the styling; although the driving dynamics were there and impressive, just as much on this car as it is on the rest of the lineup. He is quite put off by the downsides mentioned beofore yet still the not-so-cheap price and is considering other cars (he has owned BMWs pretty much all his life so this would be quite a shocker); but, he is giving another shot next week at another BMW dealership...<p>The article he forwarded to me, from Edmunds/Inside Line, discussed mostly its cross-country road trip. In its opinion of the car, it echoed my friend's take on the interior and the styling as being lackluster and such (I skimmed through the article). The pictures taken within the link have shots of both the exterior and interior of the car.<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=106016?tid=edmunds.h..insideline.promo.2 g.*#39" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel....*#39</A><p>In my opinion, the exterior is well designed; although I agree with my friend and Edmunds, being the interior is poorly designed and looks kind of cheap, given this is a 42+k car, with options added. <p>Has anyone here already had a chance to drive this car? What do you guys think about the car?